Exhibition game at Varsity Stadium

[Argonauter]

That's the rumour.

[Ballstothewall]

Would love it!!!

[Will]

Sounds great!

http://argonauts.ca/article/100th-grey-cup-champions-release-2013-schedule

This here confirms it! Hopefully this is the start of better things.

Can they add extra seating?

[294life]

what's the capacity there?

[Will]

5,000 right now

[ArgoRavi]

5,000 right now

A normal preseason game would draw about 12k-13k and, of course, not all of those would be paid. Surely, there won't be any problem filling the 5k at Varsity. Could they get another 5k in? Could they possibly even make a little money off of this game? I like the idea a lot. Interestingly, this is one of only two preseason games not being televised by TSN. There is another game going on at the exact same time in Guelph and Varsity may not be suitable for HD broadcasts at the moment.

[argotom]

It's a horrible place to watch a game, bleacher seats on one side only and crammed in like sardines.

[ArgoGabe22]

It's a horrible place to watch a game, bleacher seats on one side only and crammed in like sardines.

This. Varsity isn't what it used to be. This is like a high school stadium, actually HS stadiums are way better than this in the States. While the ground is historic, nothing really remains from the old Varsity. I would assume they would put extra seating. Of course I'm still excited for an outdoor home game and am planning to go.

[Will]

It's a horrible place to watch a game, bleacher seats on one side only and crammed in like sardines.

It'll be satisfactory for one game.

[AngeloV]

It's a horrible place to watch a game, bleacher seats on one side only and crammed in like sardines.

Agreed. Also, because of the track, they are far from the sideline, and the sightlines are brutal. My concern is that if they don't add temp seating, are they trying to tell us that the Argos have less than 5k in ST sales? Or do we get the option of a refund on this game (should you not be one of the lucky ones to get one of the 5k seats available). This makes no sense to me.

[AaronInToronto]

Do us Season Tickets Holders get guaranteed seating at Varsity? I sure hope so.

[argonaut11xx]

What a STUPID idea.....

See last years exhibition game...30K plus....school kids...possible new generation of fans, a complete success.

So , in my humble opinion, as the Argo's won the Grey Cup, do the same again, these kids would be more engaged, and excited.

I'd rather see that ,

or, is this being done due to some issue with scheduling, and our idiot landlord at Skydome?

[Ron]

What a STUPID idea.....

See last years exhibition game...30K plus....school kids...possible new generation of fans, a complete success.

So , in my humble opinion, as the Argo's won the Grey Cup, do the same again, these kids would be more engaged, and excited.

I'd rather see that ,

or, is this being done due to some issue with scheduling, and our idiot landlord at Skydome?

While I agree with you about the school kids idea. This is obviously being done to engage the greater market with the team doing something that will engage far more media than a preseason game at the Dome.

This also takes me back to a comment Pelley made a while back about how talks are going on behind the scenes as far as the Argos future goes. I wonder if this is an subtle indication of that future.

[Will]

Agreed. Also, because of the track, they are far from the sideline, and the sightlines are brutal. My concern is that if they don't add temp seating, are they trying to tell us that the Argos have less than 5k in ST sales? Or do we get the option of a refund on this game (should you not be one of the lucky ones to get one of the 5k seats available). This makes no sense to me.

I sure to hell hope that our season ticket sales are > 5,000!

[AaronInToronto]

STH will get priority access to seating. Apparently it is going to be General Admission though. That means locating a tailgating area closeby and hovering around the gates so that we can get good seats. I hope they at least rope of some areas for STH only. A pseudo stadium outline.

[doubleblue]

Well I for one don't want to go to a High School calibre stadium. We get blindsided by this after purchasing season tickets for 10 games(we thought) in the Sky Dome.
As sombody has said, last year with the Kids making over 30,000 at the Dome made for a good atmosphere. Why change?

[ArgoRavi]

Well I for one don't want to go to a High School calibre stadium. We get blindsided by this after purchasing season tickets for 10 games(we thought) in the Sky Dome.
As sombody has said, last year with the Kids making over 30,000 at the Dome made for a good atmosphere. Why change?

It takes a lot of work to coordinate with the schools and the labour situation with the teachers here in Ontario may not help in getting this kind of initiative done again this year.

[294life]

yeah that looked like a once in a lifetime affair.

[Will]

yeah that looked like a once in a lifetime affair.

Not necessarily.

[argonaut11xx]

It takes a lot of work to coordinate with the schools and the labour situation with the teachers here in Ontario may not help in getting this kind of initiative done again this year.

Good point Ravi...being out here in lala land i wasnt keeping up on the labour strife with the teachers union.

That all said, except for the Grey Cup and eastern semi (maybe), the dome rocked the loudest during that pre-season game loaded with those kids.

Something about a PRO football team playing in a 5000 seat highschool-ish type stadium doesnt sit right. The Argo just won the Grey Cup, seem bush to play in a sub-par stadium. I'd rather them play on smaller field at BMO.

I think the anti-CFL media in Toronto would make the Argo's a laughing stock for doing something like this.

[1argoholic]

This is just plain sad. The place is tiny at this point. Whose stupid idea is this? Let's just take a huge step back after that ROCKIN 100th Grey Cup. I've never seen or heard Argonauts fans cheer so loud and help their team so you reward them by playing preseason in a tiny stadium. What are you telling the fringe CFL fans on the city.

[ArgoGabe22]

They're probably doing this as a test for using Varsity as a future option (new stadium)

[Invader]

I'm sure the Argos will provide seating for all season ticket holders and for some walkup crowd.

I had read that Argo season ticket renewals were going well after the surge in ST sales last season...so 12,000 to 15,000 seats will be needed.

If done well, an Argo game at Varsity might be a blast!

[ArgoRavi]

I'm sure the Argos will provide seating for all season ticket holders and for some walkup crowd.

I had read that Argo season ticket renewals were going well after the surge in ST sales last season...so 12,000 to 15,000 seats will be needed.

If done well, an Argo game at Varsity might be a blast!

Exactly, Invader! I think that if this works well and the atmosphere turns out to be outstanding, then that will provide a further impetus to get the Argos into a stadium of their own. Whether one likes SkyDome or not, it clearly isn't a viable long-term solution for the Argos as long as Rogers is running it and Rogers will likely be running it for the next few decades at least. The Argos have to find a solution to this problem and, while Varsity may not be it exactly, it serves as a test of sorts and if this game is a success it could expedite the process of getting that badly needed stadium of their own.

[R.J]

http://www.thestar.com/sports/argos/2013/03/05/argos_to_play_preseason_game_at_varsity_stadium.ht ml

[Argoscflguy]

While I agree with you about the school kids idea. This is obviously being done to engage the greater market with the team doing something that will engage far more media than a preseason game at the Dome.

This also takes me back to a comment Pelley made a while back about how talks are going on behind the scenes as far as the Argos future goes. I wonder if this is an subtle indication of that future.

Could varsity be the new home of our argonauts?? It's been mentioned many times before with nothing coming out of it, but what if the Argos are planning to take the same route Montreal took at McGill stadium, centre of the downtown core, easy transportion access, it is a old facilty but remember where was the acc built??

[paulwoods13]

Could varsity be the new home of our argonauts?? It's been mentioned many times before with nothing coming out of it, but what if the Argos are planning to take the same route Montreal took at McGill stadium, centre of the downtown core, easy transportion access, it is a old facilty but remember where was the acc built??

Can't happen unless both U of T and the wealthy residents of the Annex change their minds. It was turned down by U of T several years ago after an uprising of Annex homeowners who didn't want a 25,000-seat stadium on their doorstep. One of the most depressing examples of Toronto's inability to build a truly great city.

[1argoholic]

Paul just ike the Ottawa battle that they finally won. Dumb thing is when people bought in these areas they knew there were stadiums. Taking the Argo history right back to the Varsity location would be great, only if.

[matchuk]

i do agree that it is a bit of a joke playing there after winning the grey cup, however, i would love to (and hopefully included with my stix) go to this game....to finally have a "home" arogs game, in an outdoor and different stadium would be great....i think it will be fun to see, mind you i dont see them spending very much money on the stadium for this event (logos on the field, banners, etc)

[argotom]

Agreed. Also, because of the track, they are far from the sideline, and the sightlines are brutal. My concern is that if they don't add temp seating, are they trying to tell us that the Argos have less than 5k in ST sales? Or do we get the option of a refund on this game (should you not be one of the lucky ones to get one of the 5k seats available). This makes no sense to me.


True, I watched my daughter play flag football and the track made it even worse to watch.

[LLB997]

I can't believe the b@tching and moaning about this game being at varsity when all i read on here is about how skydome/rogers are so hated. Its a friggin preseason game.
This game will get 10 thousand fans at skydome and will look like an abandoned stadium. The Argos are probably going to add a few thousand seats and pack the joint on a hopefully warm June night in the heart of the city to watch the first truly outdoor CFL game in TO in 25 years. This game will be a very HOT ticket. When was the last time that happened here for a preseason game? 1971? And most importantly,I believe it sends a message to everyone involved that a football specific outdoor stadium is what this franchise will eventually strive for. Give your heads a shake boys and enjoy. Hope i get tix.

[D-Gap-Willie]

This decision is a disaster - I have no idea how you will fit 10,000 temporary seats into the bandbox on Bloor Street to accomodate the preseason crowd of 12 - 15,000. We all know the reason that this is happening - the only date Rogers have available for the Argos in June is Tuesday, June 4. The Taylor Swift concerts kill all the dates in the middle of the month and the Jays have the rest.
This is NOT a marketing test of Varsity for a new stadium - the idea is impossible.
It is not a trip back down memory lane to the great years at Varsity Stadium. Thie is NOT Varsity Stadium - this is "Varsity Centre", which has nothing to recommend it as a stadium even for CIAU football.

You can't change the facts with hype and positive spins.

[mchesher03]

I can't believe the b@tching and moaning about this game being at varsity when all i read on here is about how skydome/rogers are so hated. Its a friggin preseason game.
This game will get 10 thousand fans at skydome and will look like an abandoned stadium. The Argos are probably going to add a few thousand seats and pack the joint on a hopefully warm June night in the heart of the city to watch the first truly outdoor CFL game in TO in 25 years. This game will be a very HOT ticket. When was the last time that happened here for a preseason game? 1971? And most importantly,I believe it sends a message to everyone involved that a football specific outdoor stadium is what this franchise will eventually strive for. Give your heads a shake boys and enjoy. Hope i get tix.

it may be a disaster after it's all said and done but I'm going for sure. Can't say I've said that with certainty for the pre-season game in a few years now.

[Will]

I can't believe the b@tching and moaning about this game being at varsity when all i read on here is about how skydome/rogers are so hated. Its a friggin preseason game.
This game will get 10 thousand fans at skydome and will look like an abandoned stadium. The Argos are probably going to add a few thousand seats and pack the joint on a hopefully warm June night in the heart of the city to watch the first truly outdoor CFL game in TO in 25 years. This game will be a very HOT ticket. When was the last time that happened here for a preseason game? 1971? And most importantly,I believe it sends a message to everyone involved that a football specific outdoor stadium is what this franchise will eventually strive for. Give your heads a shake boys and enjoy. Hope i get tix.

Pretty much this.

[argonaut11xx]

This decision is a disaster - I have no idea how you will fit 10,000 temporary seats into the bandbox on Bloor Street to accomodate the preseason crowd of 12 - 15,000. We all know the reason that this is happening - the only date Rogers have available for the Argos in June is Tuesday, June 4. The Taylor Swift concerts kill all the dates in the middle of the month and the Jays have the rest.
This is NOT a marketing test of Varsity for a new stadium - the idea is impossible.
It is not a trip back down memory lane to the great years at Varsity Stadium. Thie is NOT Varsity Stadium - this is "Varsity Centre", which has nothing to recommend it as a stadium even for CIAU football.

You can't change the facts with hype and positive spins.

D-Gap...your 100% correct....

5000 seats = MICKEY MOUSE....so the only way to legitimize it, is add 10,000 to 12,000 seats...which seems to be impossible.

So only 5000 of the season ticket holders get seats, some season ticket holders dont...new fans are shut out, whats the positive?

[Mulder]

D-Gap...your 100% correct....

5000 seats = MICKEY MOUSE....so the only way to legitimize it, is add 10,000 to 12,000 seats...which seems to be impossible.

So only 5000 of the season ticket holders get seats, some season ticket holders dont...new fans are shut out, whats the positive?

So hosting a pre-season game at Varsity Stadium because we don't draw near enough to make it viable at Rogers Centre is Micky Mouse?
Why bother talking about all the fans that are going to be "shut out" of this. The place will be full, and create a better atmosphere than a Pre-season at the RC
In addition, the Pan-Am capacity of that Stadium is supposed to be 10,000. So we know it can fit at least that much

I'll wait for further details before calling an event that hasn't taken place a complete failure.

[matthew]

I didn't see an appreciable uptick in the attendance of young people after that pre-season game last year. Mind you this is anecdotal observations on my part. That aside, I love this idea, bleachers or no. Suck it up people and think of all the things around the area to see before and after the game. A little streetfest on philophers walk or Devonshire or insdie the park behind the stadium would be an awesome idea too. hope that this is not just a game but an event.

[matthew]

Precisely, get your butt down early and make a day of it. I know I will leave work early and head down for the afternoon.

[Invader]

I wouldn't worry about the preseason game being a "disaster". I have confidence the Argos will make it an enjoyable event for all. We only have to look at the 100th Grey Cup to know they can put on a party!

The Varsity game will be much like Touchdown Atlantic but on a smaller scale. Temporary stands, port-a-potties, concessions, security, etc.

The Star wrote this will be the first CFL game at Varsity in 55 years. Perhaps the Argos could build on that theme with 1958 concession prices and maybe even throwback uniforms for the players and cheerleaders, that would be fun!...with a full drum & bugle marching band, etc.

[1argoholic]

Old Varsity stadium was a stadium. The only issue I have with the Dome is the owners. I love the Dome for football and that it's right smack downtown. With the downtown all getting built up where would a so called new Argo stadium go. Doubt there's any room for a stadium anywhere near downtown. One in the sticks with zero around would suck.

[argonaut11xx]

have they confirmed that extra seating is being installed?...If its upped to 12 or 15K then i agree it would be a fun event.

IF its 5000 only...its MICKEY MOUSE....

[ArgoZ]

Lets get some facts straight. The field is in great shape and will be easy to logo up and look pretty. The track allows for quite a lot of temporary seats and those views would be awesome. It might even be possible to built right in front and on top of the seats they have there now to increase capacity even further. I don't see how this won't be a great event much like the Touchdown Atlantic pre-season game we had.

[argonaut11xx]

I guess i wanted more for the Argo's after winning the 100th Grey Cup....yea i get it...the Hardcore fans who were not alive to enjoy the JOYS of an outdoor game at Exhibition Stadium...want the Montreal Miracle to happen here.

I just think a 5000 seat venue for the FIRST appearance as 100th Grey Cup Champions is sad. I'd have rather had the 35K screaming kids at Skydome.

What are your estimations for the first home game? Its v the Cats so we can count on maybe 8-10K of Ticat fans...how many Argofans show? I love to see 40K plus, anyone think thats possible?

[ArgoFan1]

I don't understand the people on here talking about finally having an outdoor stadium to watch an Argos home game. The roof is open for many games most years. You cannot get anymore "outdoors" than that !!! I've been to all but one stdium in the CFL and I don't have a problem with Skydome. Just the staff at times.

[1argoholic]

I argree with ArgoFan1. The only stadium I haven't been to is Molson in Montreal. Been to The Big O and soon that'll be two as the new Winnipeg Stadium opens.
It's more Rogers and the Dome staff than the Dome which I like.

[matthew]

I don't know if anyone keeps records of this but the roof, as I recall, was not open all that often last year. The year before it was however. I can't remember what the cut off was for not opening but one thing I'd like to see the argos negotiate is pushing out that deadline to include October and November games. I mean you got a roof on that thing might as well use it.

[LLB997]

I remember the NHL hosting a few NHL preseason games in OHL barns and i don't remember NHL fans claiming it to be a mickey mouse move. Sometimes CFL fans are the CFL's own worst enemy.

[ArgoRavi]

I remember the NHL hosting a few NHL preseason games in OHL barns and i don't remember NHL fans claiming it to be a mickey mouse move. Sometimes CFL fans are the CFL's own worst enemy.

Good point. They usually play that Hockeyville preseason game in very small arenas and nobody complains about that.

[argolio]

I don't really have an opinion either way about the Varsity game, so I'll keep an open mind and see what happens.

[AngeloV]

I remember the NHL hosting a few NHL preseason games in OHL barns and i don't remember NHL fans claiming it to be a mickey mouse move. Sometimes CFL fans are the CFL's own worst enemy.

The difference is that those games aren't played in a town that has a team. I would compare those games in the OHL arenas similar to a pre-season game at Husky stadium in Halifax. Those games were planned that way. This game is because their landlords didn't leave an open date for them in their building.

[294life]

I guess i wanted more for the Argo's after winning the 100th Grey Cup....yea i get it...the Hardcore fans who were not alive to enjoy the JOYS of an outdoor game at Exhibition Stadium...want the Montreal Miracle to happen here.

I just think a 5000 seat venue for the FIRST appearance as 100th Grey Cup Champions is sad. I'd have rather had the 35K screaming kids at Skydome.

What are your estimations for the first home game? Its v the Cats so we can count on maybe 8-10K of Ticat fans...how many Argofans show? I love to see 40K plus, anyone think thats possible?

Me and my dad will definitely be there for that one. The next day we can go to St-Mary's to watch Tim Raines be inducted in CHHOF with George Bell. And a happy birthday to Joe Carter today. 294life

[T-Bone]

This game is because their landlords didn't leave an open date for them in their building.
It defiantly looks that way when you look at the Jays schedule. A coworker of mine was on the Argos fan advisory board (I think that's what they called it) that they had in 2011 and apparently the Argos were looking at playing a game at Varsity Stadium last season, so maybe it's a combination of both.

[gilthethrill]

Me and my dad will definitely be there for that one. The next day we can go to St-Mary's to watch Tim Raines be inducted in CHHOF with George Bell. And a happy birthday to Joe Carter today. 294life

Living in Stratford for the past 5 years, I must admit I am a bit disappointed in myself that I have yet to attend the Canadian Baseball HOF in nearby St Marys. This summer I will be doing so.

[ArgoGabe22]

I don't understand the people on here talking about finally having an outdoor stadium to watch an Argos home game. The roof is open for many games most years. You cannot get anymore "outdoors" than that !!! I've been to all but one stdium in the CFL and I don't have a problem with Skydome. Just the staff at times. Depending on where you sit ex.200 level the seats bend away from the field. IMO Skydome was never built for football and is the worst stadium in the league. Some parts of the field are cut off from your view depending on where you sit as well. You can't see guys in the corner of the endzone and you're so far from the field its tough to see what goes on in the red zone, unless youre on the 55 line

[AngeloV]

Living in Stratford for the past 5 years, I must admit I am a bit disappointed in myself that I have yet to attend the Canadian Baseball HOF in nearby St Marys. This summer I will be doing so.

Disappointed? Why? I'm proud of you.

[gilthethrill]

Disappointed? Why? I'm proud of you.

Well, I do enjoy baseball, with the HOF so close to my front door, I really should have been there already...I am proud of you as well AV.

[ArgoFan1]

I've sat just about everywhere at Skydome and never found a really bad seat. You talk about being far from the field.... Edmonton is definitely the worst and Montreal is second worst when it comes to being far from the field. Both of them have a track running around the football field. I sit in the 200 level here.

[ArgoGabe22]

I've sat just about everywhere at Skydome and never found a really bad seat. You talk about being far from the field.... Edmonton is definitely the worst and Montreal is second worst when it comes to being far from the field. Both of them have a track running around the football field. I sit in the 200 level here.

I think the distance from the field to a 200 level seat is further than one from the track in both stadiums.

[AngeloV]

I think the distance from the field to a 200 level seat is further than one from the track in both stadiums.

Sightlines in the 200 level are way better than they are at Varsity. I've been to a couple of U of T games, and the sightlines are pretty bad.

[argotom]

Sightlines in the 200 level are way better than they are at Varsity. I've been to a couple of U of T games, and the sightlines are pretty bad.

Agreed, the track and the lower metal sitting bleachers make it hard to see the field.
The games I attended on several occasions, I had to stand to see the entire filed.

[Mulder]

I've sat just about everywhere at Skydome and never found a really bad seat. You talk about being far from the field.... Edmonton is definitely the worst and Montreal is second worst when it comes to being far from the field. Both of them have a track running around the football field. I sit in the 200 level here.

Montreal? No way. Even with the track. The steepness of the seats makes it a much better place and your not nearly as far from the action than Rogers Centre. In addition, in both stadiums your not looking at the back of someones head like you are in the 100's in Toronto.

[ArgoGabe22]

Sightlines in the 200 level are way better than they are at Varsity. I've been to a couple of U of T games, and the sightlines are pretty bad.

I wasn't comparing it with Varsity, I was more specifically comparing the Dome to Molson. While I agree Varsity is bad. I mean what is the distance between the field to the stands at Molson or Commonwealth compared to the start of the 200 level to the Dome's field? Practically the 200 level begins after the 100 level and I think the 100 level section is much larger than the track is in Molson. I was never in Commonwealth to really compare.

[matchuk]

I don't understand the people on here talking about finally having an outdoor stadium to watch an Argos home game. The roof is open for many games most years. You cannot get anymore "outdoors" than that !!! I've been to all but one stdium in the CFL and I don't have a problem with Skydome. Just the staff at times.

i think there is a difference between an outdoor stadium and the dome with the roof open...damn, they are even saying when a nhl winter classic is eventually played here, its going to be at bmo because its outdoor, and not the dome....its not just that the dome isnt open all the time, its also that it looks like a joke being half empty, and there is very little atmosphere in there at most times...not to mention, open the damn thing in october! it was still very nice last year, with the cement coffin remaining closed....

[matchuk]

I've sat just about everywhere at Skydome and never found a really bad seat. You talk about being far from the field.... Edmonton is definitely the worst and Montreal is second worst when it comes to being far from the field. Both of them have a track running around the football field. I sit in the 200 level here.

im gonna miss ivor wynn...that was a great place to watch football...although, i do hate the team that called that place home...

[Midnight Blue]

Varsity Stadium for a pre-season game? Why not.

It would create a buzz. Style. A bit of a throw-back, to the roots.


I mentioned on the "Argos Stadium Update" thread, that Skydome and the Portlands are two options.

Varsity would be another. 20,000 seats on both sides (half of Edmonton's former Commonwealth Stadium, or so, a side) expandable to 5,000 in each endzone.

That's 50,000. Sure, we'd have to go get rid of the track, but all of the track participants could be invited to join The Argonaut Rowing Club. A win-win situation.


Cheers !

[gilthethrill]

Would a new stadium be "football only" or multi-purpose?? Just remember though, as pointed out in earlier post by people who know, the 1982 Grey Cup in Toronto was a big reason Toronto had a dome stadium built. Going back to an open air venue may be a step back.

Hopefully if it ever happens, the Argos would be recognized as the prime tenant. I really don't want a track surrounding the field either.

Just dreaming at point of course.

[1argoholic]

Open air over the field with covered over the fans. I sat though some seriously horrible wet cold rainy games at CNE. 82 Grey Cup was bad but one game against Ottawa I was on the Blue Jay side and it came down in buckets. The water was flowing two to three inches deep all thought that whole side. The cheerleaders came out before the game got soaked and never came back. CNE is Oct and Nov while raining was crap.

[294life]

Not necessarily.

I wouldn't mind seeing it again mind you.

[T-Bone]

Just got the following e-mail from my ticket rep:


As you are aware, we have jumped at the chance to host our pre-season game at Varsity Stadium. It will be the first time in 55 years a CFL football game has been played at this iconic venue. It was home to the Argonauts for 52 years and saw the Club win 9 of our 16 championships. We anticipate very high demand for this game and for that reason, at this point only season ticket holders will be able to attend. This will be a General Admission Event. Due to the limited seating capacity at Varsity Stadium, season ticket holders will have the option to attend the pre-season game or receive a additional ticket(s) to the home opener.

It is very important for season ticket holders to respond as we need to know whether to send you ticket(s) to the pre-season game at Varsity Stadium, or additional ticket(s) to the home opener. The home opener will be another very exciting game as it will begin with the raising of our 100th Grey Cup Banner. Without a response by May 1, 2013, the Toronto Argonauts reserve the right to assign the tickets as determined by the Organization.

[Will]

I responded saying that I was interested in going and he replied "Thanks William," but I don't know if that guarantees me now a ticket to that game.

[294life]

I responded saying that I was interested in going and he replied "Thanks William," but I don't know if that guarantees me now a ticket to that game.

Unfortunately it might not as seating is limited. My guess is they'll give priority according to how long you've had season tickets.

[Will]

Unfortunately it might not as seating is limited. My guess is they'll give priority according to how long you've had season tickets.

I saw one person on twitter already complaining that because this game appears to be limited to season ticket holders that they are excluding "the actual fan your trying to draw." I replied saying that I bet some season ticket holders wouldn't be too pleased if they were excluded from this event.

[T-Bone]

Unfortunately it might not as seating is limited. My guess is they'll give priority according to how long you've had season tickets.Possibly but it makes sense to find out how many season ticket holders want to go to this event first and then if demand exceeds seating they can consider temporary seating and how much is needed.

[matchuk]

I responded with a yes as well. I really hope all holders get a chance to go but by the looks of it, it might be a bit of a disaster.

[AaronInToronto]

I responded 'Yes' yet again. I too suspect this will come down to the following: Double Blue seats first, then Platinum, then Gold, then Silver, then Bronze and of course, they'll have to appease sponsors. Which means, a bunch of non-Argo fans (likely PR girls and young guys) sitting there to be seen, having no idea of the Argos' tradition on that field.

[294life]

and of course, they'll have to appease sponsors. Which means, a bunch of non-Argo fans (likely PR girls and young guys) sitting there to be seen, having no idea of the Argos' tradition on that field.

you mean having no idea what the argos are or what football is. ;)

[argotom]

I got the same email.
I told them of having no interest of being squeezed in like sadines on that horrible bleacher like almost worst than a high school stadium.

[matchuk]

I got the same email.
I told them of having no interest of being squeezed in like sadines on that horrible bleacher like almost worst than a high school stadium.

well, there are 2 (or however many you have?) seats that just opened up!

[Ballstothewall]

I responded with a yes as well. I really hope all holders get a chance to go but by the looks of it, it might be a bit of a disaster.

I agree, thevArgos have a chance of making some noise in this marketplace with this game and it already looks like their blowing it.

[Invader]

I agree, the Argos have a chance of making some noise in this marketplace with this game and it already looks like their blowing it.
The Argos probably don't want to spend a substantial amount of money on temporary grandstands at Varsity, when the walk-up crowds for recent Exhibition games has been practically non-existent. So were talking 13,000-15,000 season ticket holders here, many of whom would gladly give up their preseason tickets in exchange for a reg. season game. The Argos will try to make the best of their forced move to Varsity, without dropping $1 million or so, to make the game an "event".

[294life]

I got the same email.
I told them of having no interest of being squeezed in like sadines on that horrible bleacher like almost worst than a high school stadium.

To which they must have responded: 'Thank you'.

[Ballstothewall]

The Argos probably don't want to spend a substantial amount of money on temporary grandstands at Varsity, when the walk-up crowds for recent Exhibition games has been practically non-existent. So were talking 13,000-15,000 season ticket holders here, many of whom would gladly give up their preseason tickets in exchange for a reg. season game. The Argos will try to make the best of their forced move to Varsity, without dropping $1 million or so, to make the game an "event".

The Argos have a chance to get people talking of what a nice outdoor football stadium could mean for the team. So instead we will play in a 4800 seat place, with little or no build up to the celebration of the Argos and the history of the game. So now we will get the Rogers media group, writting that the Argos played in front of all 4800 of their fans for this game. I can see it now. My rep told me,they have no plans on adding ANY seats

[D-Gap-Willie]

The Argos have a chance to get people talking of what a nice outdoor football stadium could mean for the team. So instead we will play in a 4800 seat place, with little or no build up to the celebration of the Argos and the history of the game. So now we will get the Rogers media group, writting that the Argos played in front of all 4800 of their fans for this game. I can see it now. My rep told me,they have no plans on adding ANY seats

I also was told they will add no seats. 4800 general admission sounds like chaos - what is the linear measurement of bleachers available ? -- does 4800 allow each person 20" of 'butt' space ? or more or less ? ...and if you are seated between two weight-challenged individuals ? Bleachers were never designed to be 'sold out'.

[tc23]

I am torn, the Cats play the same night, I want to see both stadiums, as Varsity will be a novelty. The Cats game is televised, the Argos game is not. It should be a neat experience at Varsity, to bad they could not put more seats in, say around 20,000 then the Argos could play every game there !

[Argocister]

I haven't received the email yet..... unless my TiCat fan husband has erased it :0
I hope enough of you say no so I get my chance at a ticket.... I'm okay with squishing in.... it will be crazy but I love watching the young guys play..... probably Quinlan too. ...although I am a Mac fan I will hope the rookies on the Argos defense will push him hard.... yet I want him to have some success so that he lands a spot on the roster.

[doubleblue]

My seat will be available. Have fun.

[ArgoZ]

I'm disappointed at the way things are unfolding. I really thought the Argos would make the best of this situation and even turn it into a winner. Classic location, retro jerseys and field logos, temporary 15000 seats, are all ideas that would make an amazing atmosphere, capturing more fans imagination for the future. If they are just gonna half ass it and invest very little into this, well that's their choice, but poor leadership and vision clearly.

[paulwoods13]

I'm disappointed at the way things are unfolding. I really thought the Argos would make the best of this situation and even turn it into a winner. Classic location, retro jerseys and field logos, temporary 15000 seats, are all ideas that would make an amazing atmosphere, capturing more fans imagination for the future. If they are just gonna half ass it and invest very little into this, well that's their choice, but poor leadership and vision clearly.

As I understand it, there is not even a remote chance of putting in 15,000 temp seats on the site as it is now configured. I wouldn't be surprised if even 5,000 temp seats are impossible because of what else is around the stadium now. Besides that, why would the team spend a lot of money on configuring the stadium for an exhibition game? Those don't ever draw big crowds in Toronto, and adding seats to Varsity would be extremely unlikely to produce heavy demand to see future cuts go their paces. I like ex games as a chance to scout and dream, but they are not something a lot of people care to go to.

[ArgoZ]

As I understand it, there is not even a remote chance of putting in 15,000 temp seats on the site as it is now configured. I wouldn't be surprised if even 5,000 temp seats are impossible because of what else is around the stadium now. Besides that, why would the team spend a lot of money on configuring the stadium for an exhibition game? Those don't ever draw big crowds in Toronto, and adding seats to Varsity would be extremely unlikely to produce heavy demand to see future cuts go their paces. I like ex games as a chance to scout and dream, but they are not something a lot of people care to go to.

If you look up Varsity stadium on Bing Maps, you will see an 8 lane track around the whole field. Temporary bleachers could be installed around the whole field except the current East side bleachers. The players could use that track for their sidelines. The end zones have room for a little more seats too. If the current seats are 5000, than 15000 could be achieved. If it's too tight and not enough facilities, then 10000 for sure. I do not believe that the Argos could not sell that many tix to a well promoted return to Varsity. The stands would not cost a considerable amount for a one time game, especially for a team that just won the Grey Cup in their own city. All I hear is lazy excuses for not organizing what would be a great event. Where's the leadership?

[argotom]

If you look up Varsity stadium on Bing Maps, you will see an 8 lane track around the whole field. Temporary bleachers could be installed around the whole field except the current East side bleachers. The players could use that track for their sidelines. The end zones have room for a little more seats too. If the current seats are 5000, than 15000 could be achieved. If it's too tight and not enough facilities, then 10000 for sure. I do not believe that the Argos could not sell that many tix to a well promoted return to Varsity. The stands would not cost a considerable amount for a one time game, especially for a team that just won the Grey Cup in their own city. All I hear is lazy excuses for not organizing what would be a great event. Where's the leadership?


I agree with you, there is no reason why such a game cannot be sponsored by corporations hence the temporary seats possibility, like in Moncton.
However having said that, I have been at new Varsity on many occasions and have watched my daughter play flag football, there is simply no room on the current or adjacent property.
This game should never have been scheduled.

[tc23]

The majority of people that go to Pre season games are the season ticket holders because it is included. I don't think many people would walk up or buy a ticket to a Pre season game !!

[Invader]

The majority of people that go to Pre season games are the season ticket holders because it is included. I don't think many people would walk up or buy a ticket to a Pre season game !!
That is probably the key. The Argos saw little chance to recoup their investment by making the Varsity game a big event or "mini-Touchdown Atlantic", with 10,000-seat temp. grandstands, concessions,, porta-potties, throwback jerseys for the players and cheerleadsers, a parade down Bloor with marching bands, ect. This could all add up to $1 million or more, but with very few tickets available for sale (after season ticket holders got their seats). So very little extra revenue. This could result in a $3 million loss for the Argos this season instead of a $2 million, for example.

After the spectacular 100th Grey Cup extravaganza, I don't think the Argos could be called cheapies or party poopers. This is probably just smart business as many fans would prefer to exchange their tickets for a reg. season game. There will be plenty of other opportunities for the Argos to celebrate with their fans.

[Ballstothewall]

I'm disappointed at the way things are unfolding. I really thought the Argos would make the best of this situation and even turn it into a winner. Classic location, retro jerseys and field logos, temporary 15000 seats, are all ideas that would make an amazing atmosphere, capturing more fans imagination for the future. If they are just gonna half ass it and invest very little into this, well that's their choice, but poor leadership and vision clearly.
I could not agree more. A lot of people want to go to this game, regardless if its a EX game or not. My rep said the demand for tickets are very strong, but when told its only going to be Gen admission with no extra seats, well people are saying what the Fu$%. Here we go again, with the Argos blowing a great opportunity to build momentum

[argotom]

I could not agree more. A lot of people want to go to this game, regardless if its a EX game or not. My rep said the demand for tickets are very strong, but when told its only going to be Gen admission with no extra seats, well people are saying what the Fu$%. Here we go again, with the Argos blowing a great opportunity to build momentum

Agreed with you.
If having the game elsewhere was the objective, well then the team could have gone to nearby Oshawa.
A few years back, the team would hold a one day practice and PR fest.
The Oshawa stadium although a dump, has all kinds of room to add temporary seats to I would say upward of 15k.

[paulwoods13]

They would have been better off holding the ex game in a "dump" in Oshawa? Seriously?

It's always easy for us fans to spend the team's money, isn't it? Fifteen-thousand-seat temporary installations aren't free, and corporate sponsors don't grow on trees (especially for one-off events where it makes no difference who wins or loses). Those are economic realities the team has to contend with.

I have noticed a lot of STHs complaining on this forum (in all the stadium threads over the years) about how hard it apparently is for them to get to Skydome. Would those same people not complain about trying to make their way even deeper into the inner city?

Again -- it is an exhibition game. People don't go to those in Toronto -- haven't for years. The novelty value of this venue will drive some interest -- I'm personally really looking forward to it -- but in my opinion it would be poor business on the team's part to invest a lot of money in a temporary makeover for an event that is highly unlikely to attract a big crowd, based on the track record of ex games in this market.

It's romantic to imagine a huge crowd down at Varsity enthralled with the history, the skyline, etc. I was really hoping the team would move there permanently, back when that idea was on the table, for those reasons and other reasons, including it being right on the subway. But that ship sailed, sadly, when the community around Varsity rose up against the idea. A big crowd for a one-time-only game there is nice to dream about, but it doesn't strike me as likely for an exhibition game. For a meaningful regular-season or playoff game it might be a whole different story, but an ex game where starters will play a quarter and coaches really don't care if they win or lose? I just don't see it.

[mchesher03]

My response today (probably just depends on who your account rep is):


Michael,Account XXXXXX We will see you at Varsity!

I'll also weigh in as one who thinks they did right in not trying an over the top event for an exhibition game at Varsity. These games are a chance for Millanovich and his staff to evaluate players - the Argos can't sell an 'event' to the general public then have their star players Ricky Ray, Chad Owens, etc. only play a few series. To the average fan or person on the street, pre-season anything is boring - no name players scrambling for roster spots with typically subpar play. Few are football fanatics like most of us on here who can take something like the pre-season game and appreciate the up and coming players, standout play of a third string qb in the 4th quarter, etc. just my thoughts.

[Rich]

If you look up Varsity stadium on Bing Maps, you will see an 8 lane track around the whole field. Temporary bleachers could be installed around the whole field except the current East side bleachers. The players could use that track for their sidelines. The end zones have room for a little more seats too. If the current seats are 5000, than 15000 could be achieved. If it's too tight and not enough facilities, then 10000 for sure. I do not believe that the Argos could not sell that many tix to a well promoted return to Varsity. The stands would not cost a considerable amount for a one time game, especially for a team that just won the Grey Cup in their own city. All I hear is lazy excuses for not organizing what would be a great event. Where's the leadership?

Devonshire Pl., the street right behind Varsity, is often closed for various events, so there ought to be little problem closing it off at the northern end for a couple of weeks and putting temporary seating in. If you used all of that space for seating you could get a pretty big stand in place, maybe 15k on the west side alone, endzone to endzone.

[T-Bone]

Devonshire Pl., the street right behind Varsity, is often closed for various events, so there ought to be little problem closing it off at the northern end for a couple of weeks and putting temporary seating in. If you used all of that space for seating you could get a pretty big stand in place, maybe 15k on the west side alone, endzone to endzone.Here is the link to apply to close a street in Toronto. (http://www.toronto.ca/transportation/street_events/temp_closure.htm)

[Rich]

It's always easy for us fans to spend the team's money, isn't it?


The team is in the entertainment business. Their business is to spend money in order to give fans what they want. I agree that most people aren't interested in a pre-season game. But I think many people are or would be interested in a special event on a balmy June evening at an iconic location in a beautiful part of the city. I side with those who say the Argos are missing out on a great opportunity a) to capitalize on the Argos' enhanced Grey Cup profile from last fall and b) to test the waters about the fan response to a new location for the Argos.

Anecdotally my sense is there's a lot of interest in this game relative to a usual pre-season game. I know some Argo fans who never go to pre-season games are jacked up about it. My gut feeling is that even casual fans would be interested in going, even though it is only pre-season. I think there are people in town who would be interested in seeing the Argos play live, especially after winning the Grey Cup, but who are still not interested in seeing them play at the SkyDome, because it reinforces the old stereotypes about the team.

This could have been the Argos U2 moment, a groundswell of people attracted to the novelty of the Argos playing in a new location, regardless of the circumstance. They could have jammed 25k seats in there, closed off Bloor/Bedford for a street party, and really made a splash. AND establish a template for any future regular season games there, as you yourself suggest as a possibility.

[Rich]

Here is the link to apply to close a street in Toronto. (http://www.toronto.ca/transportation/street_events/temp_closure.htm)

Devonshire is regularly closed by the University at the south end for street festivals, etc. Just Like Willcocks St. is semi-permanently closed, I think it is easier for the university to close streets within its boundaries.

[paulwoods13]

This could have been the Argos U2 moment, a groundswell of people attracted to the novelty of the Argos playing in a new location, regardless of the circumstance. They could have jammed 25k seats in there, closed off Bloor/Bedford for a street party, and really made a splash. AND establish a template for any future regular season games there, as you yourself suggest as a possibility.

Actually, I suggested that if they were to play a regular-season or playoff game there, it might be reasonable to expect a big crowd to attend in temp stands. I did not say that future regular-season games there was a "possibility." As far as I'm concerned, the chance of that ever happening likely ended when old VS was torn down. I don't think there is any chance of getting approval for a permanent addition to VS because of community objections. Would the team be able to make it work, cost- and revenue-wise, to put up temp stands for a single reg-season game? Maybe, although I'm skeptical because I think the costs would be signficantly higher than what it costs to rent RC. Could the team and the owner of VS get approvals for a temp expansion of that size, given what we have been told was a community opposed to big events there? I'm even more skeptical.

[Mulder]

The team is in the entertainment business. Their business is to spend money in order to give fans what they want.

Wow. Just Wow.

[Ron]

I'm with Paul (and others) on this one. It being a preseason game pretty much eliminates any chance to get ticket sales of any note to offset production costs.

It's still a good idea for the preseason game to be held there IMO.

[Rich]

Wow. Just Wow.

OK, that didn't come out right. But surely you don't disagree that the Argonauts Football Club is in the business of giving Argo fans what they want? I don't understand this "who-are-we-to-tell-them-how-to-spend-their-money" idea.


Could the team and the owner of VS get approvals for a temp expansion of that size, given what we have been told was a community opposed to big events there? I'm even more skeptical.

It was the University who opposed the big stadium there. The University IS the "community". But the University is also starved for revenue. A healthy financial return could change their minds on big events.

[paulwoods13]

It was the University who opposed the big stadium there. The University IS the "community". But the University is also starved for revenue. A healthy financial return could change their minds on big events.

And there was no pushback from the Annex residents nearby? That's a different story than I heard.


OK, that didn't come out right. But surely you don't disagree that the Argonauts Football Club is in the business of giving Argo fans what they want? I don't understand this "who-are-we-to-tell-them-how-to-spend-their-money" idea.

I disagree. The Argonauts Football Club is in the business of making a profit through the presentation of football. "Giving the fans what they want" is a pretty broad and I would say inaccurate characterization of their mandate.

As for the money -- I don't want them to lose or waste money on any venture. I want them to put a competitive, entertaining team on the field every year. If they make money, that's a lot more likely than if they lose money. Hence I don't want them to spend what I believe would be at least hundreds of thousands of extra dollars to do everything required for a big event at Varsity -- rent and install stands, get regulatory approvals, buy extra insurance, etc. -- because I don't believe there would be much chance of making that back on an ex game.

[T-Bone]

It was the University who opposed the big stadium there. The University IS the "community". But the University is also starved for revenue. A healthy financial return could change their minds on big events.I agree with paulwoods13 that putting together this event at Varsity Stadium the way you and some others want it would not make the Argos a profit. I don't see how that would benefit the team in the long run. Even if the demand for this game is as high as some people believe, how much of a bump in ticket sales would this event translate in to for the rest of the season at Rogers Centre? I don't think it would be that much. I'm sure someone at the Argos has crunched some numbers and the way they are doing this game is the most financially responsible way of going about it. I heard that they are considering allowing people to stand on the sidelines like in the old days which I personally think is kind of neat.

[argonaut11xx]

Are they going to let people stand around the field on the track?....this would be a good idea, and at no cost, maybe 1000 extra folks?

My biggest fear is that if even one seat is empty, the anti-argo media will have a field day about not being able to fill a 4800 seat stadium

[T-Bone]

Are they going to let people stand around the field on the track?....this would be a good idea, and at no cost, maybe 1000 extra folks?

My biggest fear is that if even one seat is empty, the anti-argo media will have a field day about not being able to fill a 4800 seat stadium

I don't know if it would be right on the field or just on the track but I don't think there will be any empty seats as there already seems to be more season ticket holders wanting to go to the game than there are seats. I also don't know if they would sell extra tickets for standing room but the standing room would be a way to accommodate all the season ticket holders wanting to go to the game with out having to put in temporary seating.

[Rich]

I disagree. The Argonauts Football Club is in the business of making a profit through the presentation of football. "Giving the fans what they want" is a pretty broad and I would say inaccurate characterization of their mandate.

As for the money -- I don't want them to lose or waste money on any venture. I want them to put a competitive, entertaining team on the field every year. If they make money, that's a lot more likely than if they lose money. Hence I don't want them to spend what I believe would be at least hundreds of thousands of extra dollars to do everything required for a big event at Varsity -- rent and install stands, get regulatory approvals, buy extra insurance, etc. -- because I don't believe there would be much chance of making that back on an ex game.

Well they will never make a profit if they don't at least try to give the fans what they want, but we're just splitting hairs here.

On reflection, I have come around to agree that the pre-season game is not the time to make a splash at Varsity. More than anything, it would detract from the impact of the home opener. But I remain convinced the team should try next season to play a game there with all the bells and whistles I referred to above, including 20,000 temporary seats if at all possible. I am convinced it would be a hot ticket, and it would really get the ball rolling for any potential new investor regarding the potential of a new stadium/development project.

[1argoholic]

It's just a matter of time before the Argos will have to leave Rogers Centre. So they'll need a stadium regardless if they play an exhibition game at Varsity or not. Varsity is not the answer.

This topic keeps coming up year after year and it'll all have to be worked out by The Argos and various levels of Government.

Sad that the Jays showed up in the Argos stadium (CNE) and now will force them out of Rogers to fend for themselves. Oh well the Argos will now be forced to find new digs. I can't waste any more of my time worrying or talking about this. Whatever happens, happens.

[Ron]

It's just a matter of time before the Argos will have to leave Rogers Centre. So they'll need a stadium regardless if they play an exhibition game at Varsity or not. Varsity is not the answer.

This topic keeps coming up year after year and it'll all have to be worked out by The Argos and various levels of Government.

Sad that the Jays showed up in the Argos stadium (CNE) and now will force them out of Rogers to fend for themselves. Oh well the Argos will now be forced to find new digs. I can't waste any more of my time worrying or talking about this. Whatever happens, happens.

The CNE was never the Argos stadium. They never owned it. The Argos were tenants. The landlords brought in another property that made much more $$ for the landlord.

Then they moved to Skydome 25 years ago or so and have been tenants all that time.

Too many people blame the landlords for the Argos in 25 years never doing what it took to have their own home by now.

Oh, and if people truly want the Argos to have their own home and as soon as possible. People have to stop blaming Rogers for everything and actually encourage Rogers to be even bigger dicks and kick the Argos out.

[argolio]

Oh, and if people truly want the Argos to have their own home and as soon as possible. People have to stop blaming Rogers for everything and actually encourage Rogers to be even bigger dicks and kick the Argos out.No need for encouragement. If their intention to install grass goes ahead as planned, the Argos will be forced out of there by the end of the decade.

[Ballstothewall]

I'm with Paul (and others) on this one. It being a preseason game pretty much eliminates any chance to get ticket sales of any note to offset production costs.

It's still a good idea for the preseason game to be held there IMO.
Playing the game there, is about showing people what a small outdoor stadium would look and feel like for the Argos if they were ever able to secure a place like that. It's about showing optimism for the future of the team. Perhaps I'm bias, but I was at the last game played by the Al's in the big O and hearing from people how the team is dead. Then I was in Montreal on business when they had to play the playoff game at Molson stadium. I got tickets and it was like night and day, people's attitude about the team changed over night, there was optimism again. This can happen here in T.O, if they ever did it right. I this would be a small step in the right direction, but now it will just be a mess and the media will just have field day with it

[1argoholic]

I know the Argos didn't own the CNE but it was as close to their own stadium as any could get. Right now I'm so sick of all of this. I don't care what happens.

[Will]

I know the Argos didn't own the CNE but it was as close to their own stadium as any could get. Right now I'm so sick of all of this. I don't care what happens.

Care what happens to who?

[Invader]

No CFL team has ever owned their stadium, as far as I know? Stadiums, like CNE and Skydome were built with public money as civic stadiums, to be used by all Toronto sports teams, amateur and professional. Historically, governments have built stadiums for their CFL teams, as is currently the case. The Bombers new stadium is really the first CFL stadium that was "half" financed by the team (through a loan backed by the city to be repaid over 40 years).

I think we're going around in circles here. The bottom line is the Argos need cooperation from the city and province to either renovate BMO or build a new stadium. Getting out of RC with it's retractable roof will be a bonus, I guess, but the chances that grass will ever be planted there are probably less than 1 in 10.

You can put me in the camp of fearing a NFL franchise in Toronto. The Argos would immediately drop from being Toronto's #1 football team to #2. If you think the Argos media coverage is bad now, they would become invisible. This would be like an AHL team competing with the Leafs. The Argos might survive but would have to shrink their operation with only 2,000 fans.

[1argoholic]

We've gone around more and more circles about a Stadium and NFL in TO on here over the years. That's what I'm sick of and really don't care about anymore. The NFL issue is a farce and obviously the stadium issue will either get sorted out by the Argos or there won't be an Argos. Not much any of us can do about it. Going around in circles won't solve squat.

I think it would be nice to hear what the Argonaut organization thinks and what they are doing about the stadium issues. It's obvious Rogers will be installing sod and thus kicking the Argos to the curb. Note to the Argonauts, fans want to know what direction you're going to take so we don't have to talk in circles.

[ArgoZ]

The capacity needs increased at Varsity. Even for perceptions sake. Right now not all season tix holders can attend. This is a professional football team! It is not going to substantially cost much to install 5000 temp seats so we can have a respectable 10 000 attendance. There's no reason that this getting kicked out of the Dome can't be a success and not a joke. The Argos were being talked about last year and were actually relevant and cool. Lets keep the image and not bring back more bush league perception. A few thousand dollars to logo up the stadium and wear some retro unis is not too much to ask.

I realize there will not be a gate revenue to help offset costs. I feel that the damage done by just showing up to play at Varsity will be much worse. We need positive headlines about this game and the Argos, not negative.

[Invader]

The capacity needs increased at Varsity. Even for perceptions sake. Right now not all season tix holders can attend. This is a professional football team! It is not going to substantially cost much to install 5000 temp seats so we can have a respectable 10 000 attendance. There's no reason that this getting kicked out of the Dome can't be a success and not a joke. The Argos were being talked about last year and were actually relevant and cool. Lets keep the image and not bring back more bush league perception. A few thousand dollars to logo up the stadium and wear some retro unis is not too much to ask.

I realize there will not be a gate revenue to help offset costs. I feel that the damage done by just showing up to play at Varsity will be much worse. We need positive headlines about this game and the Argos, not negative.

It costs much more than "few thousand dollars" to install a 5,000-seat grandstand. More likely upwards of $40 per seat. In addition, site preparation, services, facilities and staffing costs would also increase...but with little chance to recoup those expenditures.

Getting kicked-out of Skydome may be bush-league, but the Argos will try to make the best of it...without dropping an extra $500k or $1 million for an exhibition game.

Varsity can't accommodate all the seasons ticket holders, but many will gladly exchange their tickets for a reg. season game...plus several thousand fans can stand around the track and grassy knoll.

[D-Gap-Willie]

I don't know about others, but I find the Argo's policy of 'closed mouth communication' to be not only frustrating, but rather scary. They are the reigning Grey Cup champions and they refuse to disseminate information, or to interact with their fan base. We have missed announcements about tryout camps - we have signings that go unannounced - there is a mini-camp in Bradenton that is being treated as top secret - an exhibition game at Varsity Centre with no details being released - the ongoing discussion about Argo's tenancy at Rogers Centre, and future stadium plans/dreams with NO input from the Argos -- and more.
Why has Argo publicity shrunk to almost nill, when the window is open to build on the Grey Cup win ?

[paulwoods13]

I don't know about others, but I find the Argo's policy of 'closed mouth communication' to be not only frustrating, but rather scary. They are the reigning Grey Cup champions and they refuse to disseminate information, or to interact with their fan base. We have missed announcements about tryout camps - we have signings that go unannounced - there is a mini-camp in Bradenton that is being treated as top secret - an exhibition game at Varsity Centre with no details being released - the ongoing discussion about Argo's tenancy at Rogers Centre, and future stadium plans/dreams with NO input from the Argos -- and more.
Why has Argo publicity shrunk to almost nill, when the window is open to build on the Grey Cup win ?

Maybe because it is impossible to keep the tap wide open for seven months in a market that has three other major sports franchises. They have to pick their spots and time their announcements carefully to maximize exposure potential. Otherwise the announcements just disappear, and then what has been accomplished? The team has a meet-the-fans night coming up in a week, and I imagine some announcements will come out of that. As for the stadium issue, Chris Rudge has spoken about that several times in the media. If the Argos are putting together a plan for post-Rogers Centre (as we all hope and assume they are), it needs to be done in private until it is nailed down.

[D-Gap-Willie]

Maybe because it is impossible to keep the tap wide open for seven months in a market that has three other major sports franchises. They have to pick their spots and time their announcements carefully to maximize exposure potential. Otherwise the announcements just disappear, and then what has been accomplished? The team has a meet-the-fans night coming up in a week, and I imagine some announcements will come out of that. As for the stadium issue, Chris Rudge has spoken about that several times in the media. If the Argos are putting together a plan for post-Rogers Centre (as we all hope and assume they are), it needs to be done in private until it is nailed down.
Sorry Paul but I am not buying the apologist view on this. I am not asking for the "tap wide open", but I would expect relevent news to be forthcoming on argonauts.ca in a timely manner. The last news on the site was on April 19 about Mike O'Shea being inducted into the North Bay Sports Hall of Fame. Interesting that you should mention the meet-the-fans night upcoming -- it hasn't been mentioned on the site. We'll wait and see if it is covered at all.

As far as "announcements just disappear". Yes, I guess it is better to not try at all, than to have only a few see the announcement before it disappears. I probably have the words wrong, but as Wayne Gretsky said " I never scored on a shot I did not take"

[T-Bone]

Interesting that you should mention the meet-the-fans night upcoming -- it hasn't been mentioned on the site. We'll wait and see if it is covered at all.It hasn't been mentioned on the site because it is a town hall meeting for season ticket holders not general fans. E-mails were sent to season ticket holders to notify them about the meeting.

[paulwoods13]

Sorry Paul but I am not buying the apologist view on this. I am not asking for the "tap wide open", but I would expect relevent news to be forthcoming on argonauts.ca in a timely manner. The last news on the site was on April 19 about Mike O'Shea being inducted into the North Bay Sports Hall of Fame. Interesting that you should mention the meet-the-fans night upcoming -- it hasn't been mentioned on the site. We'll wait and see if it is covered at all.

As far as "announcements just disappear". Yes, I guess it is better to not try at all, than to have only a few see the announcement before it disappears. I probably have the words wrong, but as Wayne Gretsky said " I never scored on a shot I did not take"

If all you're saying is there should be frequent updates on the team website, then who among fans could disagree? But there has to be actual news first.

Your original post said: Why has Argo publicity shrunk to almost nill, when the window is open to build on the Grey Cup win ?

Publicity is a much larger matter than what gets posted on a team website. It has to be done smartly to maximize the impact. When the team has news worth reporting, it releases it. When it's working behind the scenes (such as to put together the ex game at Varsity), it should wait until its plans are ready to be scrutinized before talking about them publicly. That's just smart business. If that makes me an apologist, fine.

[D-Gap-Willie]

It hasn't been mentioned on the site because it is a town hall meeting for season ticket holders not general fans. E-mails were sent to season ticket holders to notify them about the meeting.
I am fully aware of that Paul. It merely reinforces my point. Events for season ticket holders are great and very necessary, but the point of publicity is to attract new fans or bring back disenchanted fans. Where is the publicity in this our championship year ?

[T-Bone]

I am fully aware of that Paul. It merely reinforces my point. Events for season ticket holders are great and very necessary, but the point of publicity is to attract new fans or bring back disenchanted fans. Where is the publicity in this our championship year ?
I'm not Paul but Family Day is an event that is always open to everyone. We are still well over a month away from the pre-season game so I'm willing to wait and see what the Argos have in store.

[D-Gap-Willie]

I'm not Paul but Family Day is an event that is always open to everyone. We are still well over a month away from the pre-season game so I'm willing to wait and see what the Argos have in store.

Whoops ! Sorry I called you Paul - my lack of attention !

[AaronInToronto]

I am fully aware of that Paul. It merely reinforces my point. Events for season ticket holders are great and very necessary, but the point of publicity is to attract new fans or bring back disenchanted fans. Where is the publicity in this our championship year ?

I've seen the press release on the camps, etc. Its out there. Argos will never get much preoss coverage this time of year. Media is too busy with the Jays and the Leafs making the playoffs for the first time in a decade. Leafs fans have tunnel vision right now. There is no news on the stadium front, only discussions, so no requirement to advise us - unless you're a signifcant shareholder in the Argos ownership (which of courese we're not).

All will happen in due time. Until then, just enjoy the team and the game man.

[1argoholic]

Aaron your last sentence says it all. I want news now but I am just trying to relax and hope good news comes down the road.
As far as the Jays and Leafs, that news will fade fast here very soon. Happy the Leafs are in but I expect a very quick exit. I can't see them switching how they play or don't against Boston right now. They've beat Boston once in two years. If the Jays keep this play up they'll be done yet again. The Rock crapped it yesterday, Raptors done.

Argos will be in the spot light soon if they play their cards right.

[mchesher03]

yeah I'm in the 'just relax and at least wait for training camp to open' camp myself. Now is not our time – it’s the jays (for now) and the leafs (again for now) time for the spotlight which is fine. Once Training Camp opens there will be position battles to analyze, the pre-season game at varsity, countdown to opening night, etc.</SPAN>

[argotom]

As much as I hate the Leafs and all that is MLSE, the Argos took out a nice full page ad today in the Sun to the affect how Grey wants Stanley as a partner in Toronto.
Thankfully there is no chance of that happening.
So the Argos are making news and this will no doubt increase as the season and camps moves closer.

[T-Bone]

As much as I hate the Leafs and all that is MLSE, the Argos took out a nice full page ad today in the Sun to the affect how Grey wants Stanley as a partner in Toronto.
Thankfully there is no chance of that happening.
So the Argos are making news and this will no doubt increase as the season and camps moves closer.
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[Will]

Thankfully there is no chance of that happening.

Says the one who just several lines above says he hates the Leafs.

[Ron]

Well I am going to Varsity. They will send my tix in June. Got this last night and replied right away.

Valued Season Ticket Holders,
We wanted to touch base with you regarding your preference on the below note. We will appreciate your preference by the end of this week.

Pre-Season Game at Varsity Stadium:

As you are aware, we have jumped at the chance to host our pre-season game at Varsity Stadium. It will be the first time in 55 years a CFL football game has been played at this iconic venue. It was home to the Argonauts for 52 years and saw the Club win 9 of our 16 championships. We anticipate very high demand for this game and for that reason, at this point only season ticket holders will be able to attend. This will be a General Admission Event. Due to the limited seating capacity at Varsity Stadium, season ticket holders will have the option to attend the pre-season game or receive a additional ticket(s) to the home opener.
It is very important for season ticket holders to respond (reply to this email or call) as we need to know whether to send you ticket(s) to the pre-season game at Varsity Stadium, or additional ticket(s) to the home opener. The home opener will be another very exciting game as it will begin with the raising of our 100th Grey Cup Banner. Without a response by May 3, 2013, the Toronto Argonauts reserve the right to assign the tickets as determined by the Organization.

Please let me know if we can be of any help during the season.

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[AngeloV]

Well I am going to Varsity. They will send my tix in June. Got this last night and replied right away.

Valued Season Ticket Holders,
We wanted to touch base with you regarding your preference on the below note. We will appreciate your preference by the end of this week.

Pre-Season Game at Varsity Stadium:

As you are aware, we have jumped at the chance to host our pre-season game at Varsity Stadium. It will be the first time in 55 years a CFL football game has been played at this iconic venue. It was home to the Argonauts for 52 years and saw the Club win 9 of our 16 championships. We anticipate very high demand for this game and for that reason, at this point only season ticket holders will be able to attend. This will be a General Admission Event. Due to the limited seating capacity at Varsity Stadium, season ticket holders will have the option to attend the pre-season game or receive a additional ticket(s) to the home opener.
It is very important for season ticket holders to respond (reply to this email or call) as we need to know whether to send you ticket(s) to the pre-season game at Varsity Stadium, or additional ticket(s) to the home opener. The home opener will be another very exciting game as it will begin with the raising of our 100th Grey Cup Banner. Without a response by May 3, 2013, the Toronto Argonauts reserve the right to assign the tickets as determined by the Organization.

Please let me know if we can be of any help during the season.

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Manager, Client Services



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Phone: 416.341.2755 | Fax: 416.341.2730
robr@argonauts.ca






212 King St. W., Suite 501



Toronto, ON, M5H 1K5



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I received the exact same email and responded. He confirmed today that I will get my pre-season tix in June as well.

[Ron]

Beginning to look like whichever season ticket holders want to attend ... they will make whatever arrangements needed to fit everybody into a seat.

Just have to arrive early with general admission to get a decent view.

[Rids]

Aaron your last sentence says it all. I want news now but I am just trying to relax and hope good news comes down the road.

Truthfully you shouldn't have to relax and wait for news to come out. The PR groups for each team in the CFL should be planting details out every week during the off season. Any articles from the mini camp? Any mention of the Abilene Christian QB that they worked out in Florida? There should be a bunch about the QB battle shaping up for training camp. On the one hand Toronto isn't alone in this as all teams have a distinct lack of off season self promotion, on the other hand that's a bad thing for everyone!

[Wobbler]

Let's try to keep this at least marginally on topic.

[T-Bone]

At the town hall meeting on Wednesday they did say that people will be able to stand on the track around the field. That solves the problem of getting every season ticket holder that wants to go in to the facility though I'm sure there will still be complaints about people having to stand. They didn't say anything about additional tickets but I assume this will be a season ticket holder only event.

[T-Bone]

Argos Release Limited Number of Tickets for Pre-Seaon Game at Varsity Stadium (http://www.argonauts.ca/article/argos-release-limited-number-of-tickets-for-pre-season-game-at-varsity-stadium)

[T-Bone]

Just got this e-mail from my ticket rep:


Our pre-season game is around the corner and we received your request to attend the first CFL game at Varsity Stadium in 55 years. We wanted to take this time to give you some additional information to prepare you for this one of a kind experience.


Game-Day

Game: Thursday, June 20 vs. Montreal (final pre-season game for both teams)

Kick-off: 7pm

Doors open: 6pm


Tickets

Seating: General Admission seating will be in effect however, the stands will be blocked off in three sections that will correspond to your tickets. Try to arrive close to gates opening at 6:00 to get the best seats!

Your Tickets: You will receive your tickets by mail shortly. The tickets will arrive separately from your season ticket package

Additional tickets: Tickets are available at an exclusive season ticket holder rate in limited quantities.

Please contact me by phone or email to secure your additional seats today.


Varsity Stadium

Venue: Varsity Stadium, University of Toronto, 299 Bloor St. West, Toronto, M5S 1W2

Location: Located on the southeast corner of Bloor St. and Devonshire Pl. (one block west of Avenue Rd/Queen’s Park) at the north end of the University of Toronto. Easily accessible by public transit, steps away from the St. George and Museum subway stations.

Entrance: North Gate next to Varsity Box Office on Bloor St.

Box Office: Varsity Stadium 299 Bloor St. W. (across from St. George TTC station & Bedford Rd. exit)

Rules and regulations:

THIS IS A DRY GAME (No alcoholic drinks will be available for purchase at the game)

Varsity Stadium is a smoke free environment.

No outside food or drink, no in/out privileges, no items that can be deemed a weapon (including umbrellas).

Construction notice: Devonshire Rd (west of Varsity Stadium) is only open for pedestrian traffic.

Parking: For parking locations please visit http://maps.google.ca/maps?safe=active&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.47008514,d.aWc&biw=1280&bih=797&wrapid=tlif136983881019510&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=parking+near+varsity+stadium+toronto&fb=1&gl=ca&hq=parking&hnear=0x882b34bc9c431157:0xd47cfcac35316da,Varsity +Centre,+299+Bloor+St+W,+Toronto,+ON+M5S+1W2&sa=X&ei=5xSmUcGPHomuyQH10YGgDQ&ved=0CK8BELYD . We highly recommend public transit if possible as the game will be played in the heart of rush hour. Traffic is expected to be heavy, so plan accordingly.


We look forward to seeing you on June 20th. In the mean time, please do not hesitate to contact us should you have any questions.

[AaronInToronto]

Me too. I can't wait to be completely 'dry' at the game. Me thinks pre-gaming is in order.

[bluto]

No outside food or drink, no in/out privileges, no items that can be deemed a weapon (including umbrellas).

...and if it rains?

[Will]

...and if it rains?

Raincoat or garbage bag.

[ArgoFan1]

How can they call it a dry game if you are not able to take an umbrella ??
Really... it would not be good to have to sit amongst people holding umbrellas anyway. I take a raincoat when I go to Hamilton and it looks like it may rain. No problem, actually fun.

[AaronInToronto]

I'll take an Argos Flag to cover me, and a Ti-Cats one to sit on. :)

[argofandave]

What bars are near Varsity?

[T-Bone]

What bars are near Varsity?
Duke of York (http://york.thedukepubs.ca/index-home.php)

[AaronInToronto]

Duke of York is near there. Many will meet there. Few other bars scattered along Yorkville area as well. And there's a Gabby's just east on Bloor St.

[c33]

Don't forget the Madison.

[argofandave]

Thanks for the suggestions. I'll be coming into Toronto early that day by Go Train so I'll probably start at Joe Badali's, then go to Jack Astor's, and then work my way up to Varsity. Is Shoeless Joe's still the official bar of the Argos?

[argofandave]

Where's everyone going to be before and after the game? Duke of York? Gabby's? the Madison? Somewhere else?

[mchesher03]

Whichever of those I find first

[ArgoRavi]

Oh, what might have been: http://sports.nationalpost.com/2013/06/19/argos-need-to-find-a-permanent-home/

It is ironic that one of the leading opponents of the Argos' Varsity plan doesn't even live in Canada anymore.

[Will]

Oh, what might have been: http://sports.nationalpost.com/2013/06/19/argos-need-to-find-a-permanent-home/

It is ironic that one of the leading opponents of the Argos' Varsity plan doesn't even live in Canada anymore.

Yes, they are always worried about their precious Annex.

[mchesher03]

don't want to jinx it but couldn't ask for a better day for an outdoor football game tonight....

[Stevoman]

Man, it would have been awesome if their plan to re-do Varsity would've come through. A stadium that you know belongs to the Argos would go a long way in re-establishing their connection to the city.

[matthew]

The James Joyce is a bit further than the madison but another good choice.

[Ron]

Man, it would have been awesome if their plan to re-do Varsity would've come through. A stadium that you know belongs to the Argos would go a long way in re-establishing their connection to the city.

That would not have belonged to the Argos home. MLSE and the soccer people were involved. If that came through there would be no BMO today.

[c33]

The James Joyce is a bit further than the madison but another good choice.

I think the Joyce has closed.

[argofandave]

I went to the Fox and Fiddle before the game and the Duke of York after.

[1argoholic]

As Carl 'Cooler' Coulter used to say, "Win Or Lose We Drink The Booze".

[Will]

Many of the restaurants and bars post-game were packed due to the NBA finals. We ended up at a Shawarma joint closer to Bathurst.

[argofandave]

Here's last years thread about the pre-season game at Varsity Stadium.

[T-Bone]

Here's last years thread about the pre-season game at Varsity Stadium.
And here's this years thread about the pre-season game at Varsity Stadium (http://www.argofans.com/showthread.php?2674-June-19-2014-Hamilton-Tiger-Cats-vs.-Toronto-Argonauts-Game-Thread).

[Neely2005]

I went to the Fox and Fiddle before the game and the Duke of York after.

Which one is better?

[Wobbler]

And here's this years thread about the pre-season game at Varsity Stadium (http://www.argofans.com/showthread.php?2674-June-19-2014-Hamilton-Tiger-Cats-vs.-Toronto-Argonauts-Game-Thread).
And here's next year's thread about the pre-season game at Varsity Stadium (http://www.mlse.com/).

[argofandave]

Which one is better?Both the Fox & Fiddle and the Duke of York have a good selection of beer. The Duke of York is closer to the stadium and the subway stop but seemed a little small. I only had one beer at each and didn't eat anything there so I don't know how good the food is.

[Neely2005]

Both the Fox & Fiddle and the Duke of York have a good selection of beer. The Duke of York is closer to the stadium and the subway stop but seemed a little small. I only had one beer at each and didn't eat anything there so I don't know how good the food is.

Thank you.