August 23, 2013: Calgary Stampeders vs. Toronto Argonauts [Archive]

T-Bone

08-21-2013, 08:28 AM

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Week 9
Friday, August 23, 2013 at 7:30pm EDT.
Rogers Centre. Toronto, ON.

TV: TSN (http://www.tsn.ca/cfl/feature/?id=508) - RDS2 HD (http://cfl.ca/schedule/year/2013/time_zone/0)
Video Webcast: Mobile TV (http://www.tsn.ca/mobiletv/) - ESPN3 (http://cfl.ca/page/us-broadcast-schedule)
Team Radio CGY: CHQR 770 (http://www.newstalk770.com/Sports/Stamps/Home.aspx) - TOR: TSN Radio 1050 (http://www.tsn.ca/toronto/feature/?fid=43622)
Audio Webcast: CGY: Here (http://player.qr77.com/) - TOR: Here (http://www.tsn.ca/Toronto/listen/)
Satellite Radio: SiriusXM (http://www.siriusxm.ca/sports-schedules/cfl/)

Depth Charts: CGY: Here (http://www.stampeders.com/depthchart/list/team/2/year/2013) - TOR: Here (http://www.argonauts.ca/depthchart/list/team/7/year/2013)

Ticket Info: Here (http://www.argofans.com/showthread.php?1999-Save-30-on-Toronto-Argonauts-Tickets-!!!!!&p=31437&viewfull=1#post31437) and Here (http://www.argonauts.ca/page/single-game-tickets) or at Rogers Centre Gate 9 Box Office (http://www.rogerscentre.com/events/tickets.jsp).

Argo Fans Pre-Game Meet Up: Official Team Gate 11 Tailgate Party Starting at 5:30pm (http://www.argonauts.ca/article/toronto-argonauts-kickoff-1983-celebrations-on-wednesday-night)

Argo Fans Post-Game Meet Up: Shoeless Joe's at 276 King Stree West (https://maps.google.ca/maps?q=276+King+St.+W.&hnear=276+King+St+W,+Toronto,+Toronto+Division,+On tario+M5V+3C6&gl=ca&t=m&z=16)

Post Game: Ray Hurt as Argos Fall in Grey Cup Rematch (http://www.argonauts.ca/article/week-9-argos-vs-stamps)

Will

08-21-2013, 09:55 AM

Well, well, well the Stampeders are coming into town. They are probably royally pissed after losing to the Lions on the weekend and, oh yeah, they probably want some revenge from the throttling we gave them in the Grey Cup last November. The Argos did a good job shutting down Cornish last year, but he's still always a threat, but Nik Lewis is out for awhile with that fractured fibula so they don't have to worry about him, but they still have some talented receivers in Calgary. I believe that Price is questionable for Friday's game as well.

Oh and it's the 1983 reunion, too, which should be neat. But, hopefully the presence of those players doesn't bring the Argos the same luck that befell the 1983 Argonauts in their home game against Calgary. If there ever was a "trap game" that was it as the Argos were inexplicably blown out of the water by the Stampeders 49-20.

mchesher03

08-21-2013, 10:55 AM

Argos just need to do what they did in the Grey Cup again (no easy task obviously) but given Kevin Glenn is no Ricky Ray, take away Jon Cornish by really keying on the run and let Glenn try to beat them in the passing game. With both Price and Nik Lewis out – their receiving corps are pretty thin and Glenn’s arm has always been suspect anyways. I think we have a good shot here but need to tighten up our pass D for starters…</SPAN>

AngeloV

08-21-2013, 02:04 PM

I must admit, that lately some of my comments have been coming back to bite me in the rear....so I will say this: Kevin Glenn is great!!! I sincerely hope that the Argos can stop him, but I don't know how they would go aout doing it, so let's just hope we get lucky on Friday.

That is all.

Will

08-21-2013, 03:01 PM

Cornish is questionable for the game. (http://cfl.ca/article/cornish-questionable-for-grey-cup-rematch-against-argos)

So basically the two most significant impact players for the Stampeders may be out.

Ron

08-21-2013, 03:02 PM

Does anyone really think a regular season win the next season is any form of revenge for losing a Championship game?

Will

08-21-2013, 03:07 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>LB Marcus Ball did not practice today. HC Scott Milanovich thinks he'll be ready for Friday night. <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23CFL&src=hash">#CFL</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Argos&src=hash">#Argos</a></p>— Don Landry (@CFLLandry) <a href="https://twitter.com/CFLLandry/statuses/370240875319668736">August 21, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>LB Shane Horton has a spiral fracture to a finger and will not play Friday night. <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Argos&src=hash">#Argos</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23CFL&src=hash">#CFL</a></p>— Don Landry (@CFLLandry) <a href="https://twitter.com/CFLLandry/statuses/370240703059595266">August 21, 2013</a></blockquote>
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gilthethrill

08-21-2013, 05:56 PM

I feel excitement that reminds me of week 11 in 1996 when Calgary visited on a sundrenched Saturday afternoon in front of over 27,000+. Doug Flutie outduled Jeff Garcia and Danny Barrett. The Sun had great coverage leading up to that contest.

doubleblue

08-21-2013, 06:46 PM

That's unfortunate if Horton is out. He is really becoming a force at LB. I would also being starting Cleyon Laing at the one Tackle position if they could find another good import DE. The Canadian kids aren't getting the job done at DE IMO. Tonye2 looks like a keeper on ST and maybe eventually at LB but not quite big enough to go up against those 300 LB OT's.

bluto

08-21-2013, 09:20 PM

Will

08-21-2013, 11:26 PM

Argos discuss potential absence of Cornish and the Stampeders as a whole. (http://www.torontosun.com/2013/08/21/stamps-cornish-less-argos-probably-wouldnt-mind)

argolio

08-22-2013, 01:05 AM

Does anyone really think a regular season win the next season is any form of revenge for losing a Championship game?Revenge for a prior loss has always been a motivational tool in sports. Doesn't always work however.

Will

08-22-2013, 10:17 AM

Maurice Price is apparently doubtful for the Stampeders.

Will

08-22-2013, 05:51 PM

It is confirmed: Cornish is out for Calgary.

Wobbler

08-22-2013, 06:52 PM

I like our chances of containing Matt Walter. If we can confuse and/or pressure Glenn we should win this game handily.

This will be our first opportunity to line up against Kevin Huntley (#98), and a chance to see Dan Federkeil (#65) at RT.

mint83

08-22-2013, 08:30 PM

gilthethrill

08-22-2013, 10:06 PM

With both Jon Cornish and Nik Lewis out for Calgary, if the Argos were owned by MLSE, would this game still be considered a "Premium Game"??

argolio

08-22-2013, 11:39 PM

They better not let overconfidence set in.Don't think that'll be an issue after the Edmonton game.

Midnight Blue

08-22-2013, 11:54 PM

Maybe Calgary should bring the Horse, for good luck. I would be cool with that.

But seriously, the Argos need a Boat on wheels (for dry land), where two dozen rowers/runners, would do the 'Flintstones' thing, up and down the sidelines, after each major score!

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Goooooooooooooos !

(Yabbba Dabbba Doooo !)

Ka' Pla !

Midnight Blue

08-22-2013, 11:58 PM

Ok, sorry ... the words 'Yabbba Dabbba Dooo', and Ka' Pla ! should never appear on the same post (this is just an example).

argofandave

08-23-2013, 12:36 AM

I'm hoping they bring back the large Argo helmet on wheels for this game.

Will

08-23-2013, 12:38 AM

I'm hoping they bring back the large Argo helmet on wheels for this game.

The Argo celebration car? They had brought it back at the beginning of the C&S era, but it wasn't for long.

ArgoRavi

08-23-2013, 01:23 AM

It definitely looks like Calgary is bringing their "B" team on offence. The Argos are usually tough on Glenn as well. It all adds up to the Argos being significant favourites.
They better not let overconfidence set in.

Chris Jones seems to have an excellent read on what Calgary's offence likes to do even with all of the starters in when you look at what happened last year in three games between the two teams. I don't think that they will be overconfident at all. Calgary is still the defending western champs and have played well this season.

Will

08-23-2013, 09:09 AM

Plus look at what Montreal did with a ton of injuries.

mchesher03

08-23-2013, 02:16 PM

Dome should be open tonight - who's going to be the one who starts predicting attendance here?

294life

08-23-2013, 07:12 PM

I'll go with 25,000.

Those retro helmets look awesome.

argos1873

08-23-2013, 07:52 PM

Those retro helmets look awesome.

I'm loving those helmets. The best part about it, is that to me anyhow, its like they've always worn those helmets. It doesn't seem strange that they are wearing them, even though they haven't worn them since, what, 1988? Stupid Harry Ornest...

argos1873

08-23-2013, 08:00 PM

Crap. I hope this isn't serious.

argos1873

08-23-2013, 08:06 PM

ZC for now. Let's see if he lives up to the hype. Hopefully.

argos1873

08-23-2013, 08:23 PM

Nice goal line stoppage!!

Wobbler

08-23-2013, 08:27 PM

I think Calgary executed poorly after getting the first and goal from the one, but it's a nice emotional boost regardless.

Wobbler

08-23-2013, 08:41 PM

Zach Collaros is very good at rolling to his right and flipping the ball to a RB/FB/SB. He hasn't shown anything else so far tonight.

...until now! He is starting to look more comfortable in the pocket and throwing downfield. In fairness, this is also only his second possession outside the shadow of the goalpost.

argos1873

08-23-2013, 08:47 PM

Zach Collaros is very good at rolling to his right and flipping the ball to a RB/FB/SB. He hasn't shown anything else so far tonight.

To be fair to Collaros he's been stuck deep in his own end on plays since Ray has been injured. A little more pressure on him then normal.

Wobbler

08-23-2013, 08:49 PM

Heh heh. Agreed, obviously!

Wobbler

08-23-2013, 08:55 PM

I'm getting very tired of seeing the back of Jalil Carter's jersey while an opposing receiver makes a big catch.

argos1873

08-23-2013, 09:16 PM

I'm getting very tired of seeing the back of Jalil Carter's jersey while an opposing receiver makes a big catch.

That and he's taken at least 1 bad penalty.

Deerkeeper

08-23-2013, 10:15 PM

Hello from Skydome. Anyone still think Collaros is still the heir apparent.

294life

08-23-2013, 10:35 PM

He might be wearing 17 but he was no Joe Barnes

argos1873

08-23-2013, 10:37 PM

Hello from Skydome. Anyone still think Collaros is still the heir apparent.

Well obviously not a great showing by Collaros. But to be fair, Collaros came in as backup, and didn't have the benefit of a week of starters reps. But yeah, he's stepped down a notch in my books. I still believe he's still a talented QB though.

mint83

08-23-2013, 10:45 PM

So much to talk about after to tonight's game. Obviously the game changed after Ray got hurt. Is he too fragile to be the long term QB? Ray has been awesome lately when he plays but he showed poor pocket awareness on the play he got injured and has been injured too much in general for the Argos.

Collaros started slow, showed promise then got no help from his teammates. I think he has enough talent to be the guy that we hang on to as the expansion draft nears.

Bottom line, we have enough at QB to get us through the year and win the Grey Cup.

Will

08-23-2013, 11:38 PM

Really so much depends on what Ray's status is going to be going forward. The offense was moving along fine in his first drive, and I think it was the second drive where he got hurt. Collaros wasn't helped on his first few drives by some poor line play and the fact he was in the shadow of his goal posts. I was starting to question whether Trevor Harris would get some playing time in the second quarter, but then Collaros led that TD drive that made it 14-14. The turning point was Calgary's subsequent touchdown and then Collaros INT, which seemed to deflate him. We scored no points in the second half. The defense allowed 187 yards on the ground, which is way too much especially with Jon Cornish on the shelf, but we were theoretically in the game until Chad fumbled. We only saw fit to hand off the ball to Steele 4 times for 34 yards. A lot of things didn't go the Argos way either with a few dropped INT's, but that's going to happen sometimes in football and there's nothing you can do about it.

dmont

08-23-2013, 11:41 PM

Do we think its a good sign that Rickys arm wasn't in a sling when he came back to the sidelines? I do!

Poor showing from the defense. No good at stopping the run. Collaros ought to be more effective than that even on limited reps. I wonder if it would have made more sense to go with Harris. His game is closer to Rays, so it might not have been as big an adjustment for the rest of the team.

Will

08-23-2013, 11:43 PM

My friend informed me that Ray was in civvies on the sidelines with what he would term no obvious sign of serious injury. We will have to wait and see, but I'm also hoping that it is a positive.

D-Gap-Willie

08-24-2013, 01:12 AM

We saw the results today of an Argo offensive philosophy that IMO has become too extreme. It's fine to run the West Coast Offence or the 'dink & dunk' as long as you have a gifted and experienced QB running it, such as Ricky Ray or Ken Anderson in days of yore. However, when you run it with absolutely no threat of running the ball, your QB better be damned good and extremely durable. It's way too predictable and puts a big bullseye on the QB's uniform.
While there was still hope in the game, Argos ran the ball 3 times for 9 yards - my numbers so I could be off a bit. Argo running backs are now there ONLY for QB protection. Forget about play fakes and 'run threat'.
The idea of this offense is to spread the defense to open up the long run or long pass. I get the feeling that the Argo philosophy now is to use this offense for ball and clock control. It won't work ! It is much too predictable, and a young QB will fail in this system.

D-Gap-Willie

08-24-2013, 01:24 AM

By the way, I really enjoyed Hufnagel's decision not to kick the field goal, and run up the score with only a minute left. ...and I don't buy the argument about 'points differential', when the teams are in different divisions. Just a classy act by classy gentleman ! My old school opinion.

gilthethrill

08-24-2013, 01:42 AM

argolio

08-24-2013, 02:04 AM

Trade Collaros! :D

Just like the 1983 Argos, this year's team lost by 20+ points at home to the Stamps.

They mentioned on the post-game show that Ray was throwing in the tunnel at half-time to see if he might be able to go back in, so hopefully that suggests his injury isn't that serious. Ten days off between games should help as well.

Stevoman

08-24-2013, 02:08 AM

Frustrating game.

Rich

08-24-2013, 02:10 AM

We only saw fit to hand off the ball to Steele 4 times for 34 yards.

I heard the coach say after the game that there were a few running plays called that Collaros pulled back from Steele, so part of that is on him.

What I'm most disappointed in is that when your starting QB goes down, the defence is supposed to step it up a notch, keep the team fired up and build some momentum for the backup QB.

I saw no extra fire on that defence when ricky went out. They didn't step up when they were needed. They came out flat. They really missed Ball and Horton, whoever played Sam was getting blown out, both outside LB's really had no contain all night. McCune and Khalif were the only 2 guys on D to play with a little fire.

D-Gap-Willie

08-24-2013, 02:14 AM

Not surprised a young qb in Collaros struggled in an offence that is either unable or refused to run the ball looked shaky. Calgary knew he was either going to pass or run it himself. I can envision the thread now..."Should we cut Collaros"?
I don't know if Collaros' skill set is just right for the Milanovitch/Brady offense, but I think that it is close. Collaros can never learn this offense in a week or two - it's not so much knowing it, but being able to react almost robotically to the play development. The ball is in the coaches court now -- thsy need to make the offense/play calling more versatile, with some real run threat. As it stands right now the QB ( Ray or Collaros or Harris) is a real target for the defensive front seven.

flafson

08-24-2013, 03:31 AM

They should give Collaros a lot more reps on a weekly basis.
How come our running game is so bad? We pass 10 straight times, then we try to run the ball once and only get 2 yards. Obviously something is wrong.

Argo57

08-24-2013, 09:48 AM

Pretty rough game last night!!
I have no concerns that Ray has suddenly become "fragile", it is football after all and injuries happen.
The Argonauts will go as far as Ray takes them this year.
The truth IMO is that it is still unknown what exactly we have in Collaros, is it the guy from the B.C game or last night, at this time who knows?? Obviously there are other mitigating factors as well (O-Line performance, ineffective running game, lack of practice reps) etc.
The defence in fairness was missing some key starters last night but nobody (besides McCune and Mitchell) stepped up at all.
Carter was awful and should start to worry about his job moving forward.
Hopefully Waters is getting close to returning, our kicking game is brutal right now!!!

Skinny G

08-24-2013, 09:53 AM

I was hoping Harris would've gotten the 4th Q, it just seemed like Collaros was a little confused for a bit. I think he missed about 6 straight passes, but then maid some nice plays to Owens and Durie. It seemed like there was a little bit of fight still left, until that Owens fumble. That really took all the air out of em. Hopefully Ray's good to go against Montreal, but if not, and Collaros starts, I think he gets a half to move the ball. If not, maybe throw Harris in to see what he can do. He did play pretty well in pre season and that last game against Hamilton last year.

As for our rushing... this is a never ending story. We have to pound the ball more. Maybe we're not a 20-25 rush team, but at worst we should be in the 12-15. We gotta keep teams honest! We all know that rushers need touches to get into a groove. Eventually it'll open a big one, or allow for a long throw.

As for the linebacking...I'll put it out there... if Ball and Horton are out for a long, I'd call Ejiro up. He knows this defence... and to the points of some.... he would bring some fire into the D.

Gill The Thrill

08-24-2013, 07:00 PM

With both Jon Cornish and Nik Lewis out for Calgary, if the Argos were owned by MLSE, would this game still be considered a "Premium Game"??Yes, but not "super premium". ..lol. any more injuries and the game will be referred to as "regular unleaded" or "diesel".lol

Gill The Thrill

08-24-2013, 07:10 PM

ArgoRavi

08-24-2013, 07:13 PM

I suspect that Mike Reilly is hurting much more than Ray is right now. The difference is that Milanovich can afford to be as cautious as he wants to be with Ray. Given that Ray had neither ice nor a sling on his shoulder during the latter part of the game, I suspect that he would not have missed much, if any, time if it were a playoff game.

The concerns I have about the Argos are the special teams which were badly outplayed last night and, obviously, the inconsistency of the defence. Regarding the special teams, the Argos are losing the field position battle on kickoffs badly with the aging Prefontaine. We gave up two safeties last night and still gave the Stamps the ball around midfield thanks to Pre's poor kickoffs. I will give Pre credit for the placement of some of his punts deep in opposition territory over the last two games but his kicking otherwise leaves much to be desired. Look at the average start in field position of the two teams last night and that will tell you just how dominated we were on special teams (and it isn't all Pre's fault either).

gilthethrill

08-24-2013, 09:27 PM

There is no doubt in my mind that AV will be pacing the foods tonight awaiting news on the Kevin Glenn injury.

Wobbler

08-24-2013, 11:32 PM

Ray's injury was obviously a huge and unexpected blow. Ricky puts up big points and he's our best defender: he doesn't allow turnovers, eats a lot of clock, and (I think) demoralizes opponents.

So... enter Zach, under difficult circumstances. He had trouble early - which is mostly excused by terrible field position - then showed he could hit receivers downfield and tied the game. His interception, which spoiled the chance to re-tie the game before half-time was an unfortunate error, but I still thought we were going to win this game. Half-time would give us a chance to calm Collaros down, put in plays favouring an inexperienced yet mobile QB, and generally sort things out!

No such luck.

We had execution problems in the second half, to be sure. The defence was generally mediocre, and we had a few bad penalties too. But I think the greatest fault was with the offensive coordination. Collaros isn't Ray! Nevertheless, for the most part we used the same formations, relied on Collaros' judgment (zone reads in particular) and seemingly hoped that he'd repeat his Week 5 performance. That was a bad idea.

We'll be better next week, with several days to adapt... but I think we need to be able to adapt more quickly than that.

Argocister

08-25-2013, 12:11 AM

Friday nights game was the eye opening game that Edmonton was supposed to be. ..... The only thing is that if we had lost to Edmonton , I think we would have lost to Calgary as well.
Neither the offence, the defence or special teams were stronger of the two teams.
The Oline didn't appear to be staying with their man....although it was nice to see Washington back on the O.
It's true, with Collaros having a full week of practice he plays a much more decisive and confident game .... But as he said himself, that is the job of the backup and he just has to get better. Calgarys defence definitely pushed him and the receivers.
The defence is still in need of improvement. Listening to TSN on the way home, Younger commented that last year it was around week 16 that the defence started clicking. I really hope this group can do it before game 16 this year...but there aren't many veterans to help out.
To me, I will pass this game off as a learning tape experience. ( although Edmonton was one too)
The offence desperately needs a running game. Collaros will have to do a better job at his mental reps....he may lose his spot otherwise.
The defence has to improve all over .... As Milanovich stated, he expects the next man up to perform .... Well they didn't on Friday lets get together for the end of the season and right into Nov. I'm always nervous if we do too well at the beginning of the season.... You can only go downhill from there.

1argoholic

08-29-2013, 08:01 PM

Midnight Blue

08-29-2013, 08:38 PM

First post back in the homeland of Ontario as we just got internet today. That Calgary game sucked. Collaros obviously needed more reps during the week and the coaching staff didn't adjust for him. The O line was horrible and once Ray went out you could see that it wasn't going to be good.

Welcome back !

It looks like Collaros is going to get all the reps he needs for awhile. Hopefully we can get Harris in there too.

And your timing is perfect. The Peterborough area just got internet service established last year.

Cheers !

And, Ka' Pla !

1argoholic

08-30-2013, 12:44 PM

haha! We lived rural in BC with septic and now we have septic, a well, and a dish for tv and one for the internet. Had my first Church Key Brewery beer. I bought six Northumberland Ale. Cool,crisp and refreshing. haha. Wellington Brewery makes some nice stuff as well.

Not thrilled with Ray being out but Zack will step up.