Local Coverage (or the utter lack thereof)

[bluto]

I'm kinda pissed this morning because it is now less than 5 days until free agency which should be a big deal since we have several key players who have yet to sign (or so we'd think... maybe they have but the press just never bothered to report on it...) as well as a major shot fired across our bow by Beeston regarding natural grass and how it could render us homeless if the Blue Jays actually are lamebrained enough to push ahead with that...

...and NOTHING in the press.

Sewiouswy, we get more news on other teams and their players and situations coming to us because their local media gives a crap enough to do at least the bare minimum and call their contacts with the team, the league, the agents and the players every so often and, y'know, do their F'ing job!

This post is a call to my fellow Argofans. i believe that we get the coverage we deserve... and if we don't care enough to ask for it, then we don't deserve it. Simple.

http://www.torontosun.com/letter-to-editor
http://www.thestar.com/contactus
http://v1.theglobeandmail.com/help/contact-web/
http://www.nationalpost.com/contact/letters/index.html?name=Letters&subject=Letter+to+the+editor

There are the links. Take just 10 minutes of your time. Make what you want to say brief, to the point and tell them that there are important things like free agency and stadiums that nobody is reporting on.

i did it. and i bet if 5 or 10 more of us do it as well, well start to see some ink for our Argos.

get on this.

:mad:

[eiben35]

The Argos should be making more news and distributing it on their web site. They can't even update the players stats on their site.

[bluto]

like i said. we get the coverage we deserve. it's democracy in action. if we don't demand it, why should they supply it?

[bluto]

a little over 24 hours until what could be the most active roster period the CFL has seen in years and predictably, the local papers are trying their damndest to ignore it.

Kirk Penton at the Winnipeg Sun is at least doing his job... here's a list of the teams changes and FAs as of a day ago. likely there are some changes already, but since our local media ain't helping us, i suppose we do a better job of tracking this stuff anyway.


* means non-import player

EAST DIVISION

WINNIPEG
FREE AGENTS (7)
OL Brendon LaBatte*
WR Greg Carr
OL Glenn January
OL Steve Morley*
OL Andre Douglas
WR Aaron Hargreaves*
DT Don Oramasionwu*FREE AGENTS RE-SIGNED
LS Chris Cvetkovic
S Ian Logan
QB Joey Elliott
QB Buck Pierce
S Brady Browne
QB Alex BrinkEXTENDEDRETAINED FROM PRACTICE ROSTER
WR Kurt Adams
LB Dustin Doe
WR Cassidy Doneff
RB Bloi-Dei Dorzon
LB Javon McKinnon
OL Justin SorensenADDITIONS
CEO Garth Buchko
OC Gary Crowton
===========
OL Brendan Dunn (2011 draft pick)
RB Chad Simpson (28 NFL games)
RB Anthony Woodson (2010 draft pick)DEPARTURES
OC Jamie Barresi (fired, RB coach in Edmonton)
RC Chris Wiesehan (OL coach in Hawaii)
LB Casey Creehan (DC in Hamilton)
==================
P Jamie Boreham (released)


TORONTO
FREE AGENTS (10)
OL Dominic Picard*
OL Taylor Robertson*
LB Kevin Eiben*
OL Rob Murphy
S Willie Pile
CB Byron Parker
LB Jason Pottinger*
QB Dalton Bell
DE Alex Buzbee
DE Ben IsholaFREE AGENTS RE-SIGNED
FB Jeff Johnson
LB Jordan YoungerEXTENDED
WR Mike Bradwell
OL Chris Van Zeyl
<del style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-image: initial; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; ">QB Steven Jyles (later traded to Edmonton)</del>
SB Andre DurieADDITIONS
HC Scott Milanovich (former OC in Montreal)
DC Chris Jones (former DC in Calgary)
<del style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-image: initial; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; ">OC Jonathan Himebauch (former OL coach in Montreal, later left for NCAA)</del>
RC Jason Maas
CEO Chris Rudge
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QB Ricky Ray (trade, Edmonton — for Steven Jyles, Grant Shaw and 1st-rd pick in 2012)
DL Gregory Alexandre (2011 draft pick)
DL Jonathan Pierre-Etienne (B.C. 2009 draft pick)
WR Julian Feoli-Gudino (2011 draft pick)
WR Andrew Strickland
OL Donnie McKenzie
DB Marcus Ball
WR Jarmon FortsonDEPARTURES
OC Jonathan Himebauch (resigned, Wake Forest)
CEO Bob Nicholson (resigned)
==================
WR Brandon Rideau (released)
QB Steven Jyles (Edmonton, trade — for Ricky Ray)
K Grant Shaw (Edmonton, trade — for Ricky Ray)
WR Jeremaine Copeland (retired, joined Ticats as receivers coach)
DB Lin-J Shell (released)
S Wes Lysack (released)


MONTREAL
FREE AGENTS (5)
G Scott Flory*
DE Jermaine McElveen
LB Walter Spencer*
CB Mark Estelle
CB Paul Woldu*FREE AGENTS RE-SIGNED
LB Marc-Olivier Brouilette
S Etienne Boulay
WR Eric DeslauriersEXTENDED
OL Josh Bourke
WR Brandon London
DB Billy Parker
DB Daryl Townsend
WR Brian BrattonRETAINED FROM PRACTICE ROSTER
WR Travon Patterson
DB Vince Anderson
DT Tremaine Johnson
WR Sidney Stewart
DE Daunte AkraADDITIONS
OC Marcus Brady (promoted from RC)
DC Jeff Reinebold
===========
WR Adam Mims
OL Anthony Barrette (2011 draft pick)
OL Reed Alexander (2011 draft pick)
LB Blaine Ruttan (2011 draft pick)
DB Michael Carter
DE Chris Hodgson
WR Trent Guy
DE Ventrell Jenkins
DB/KR Stephan Neville
WR Felton Huggins
RB Noel Devine
DE Michael Montgomery
DB Dajuan Morgan
DE Duke Lemmens
RB Winston ThompsonDEPARTURES
OC Scott Milanovich (Toronto, head coach)
DC Tim Tibesar (Purdue)
OL Jonathan Himebach (Toronto, OC, then left for Wake Forest)
DBs Daronte Jones (University of Hawaii)
==================
KR Tim Maypray (released)
DL Jeff Robertshaw (released)
S Tad Crawford (retired)
WR Kerry Watkins (retired)
DE Anwar Stewart (released)
WR Danny Desriveaux (released)
K Sandro DeAngelis (released)


HAMILTON
FREE AGENTS (7)
K Justin Medlock
DL Matt Kirk*
DB Jason Shivers
WR Matt Carter*
OL Jason Jimenez
FB Agustin Barrenechea*
LB Ike BrownFREE AGENTS RE-SIGNEDEXTENDED
CB Ryan Hinds
WR Bakari GrantRETAINED FROM PRACTICE ROSTER
WR Terence Jeffers-HarrisADDITIONS
HC George Cortez
DC Casey Creehan (former LB coach in Winnipeg)
Rec. Jeremaine Copeland
QBs Doug Sams
STs Jim Daley
DBs Nelson Martin
RBs Ryan Sheahan
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QB Henry Burris (Calgary, trade — for Kevin Glenn, Mark Dewit, draft pick)
RB Martell MallettDEPARTURES
HC Marcel Bellefeuille (fired)
DC Corey Chamblin (HC in Saskatchewan)
OC Khari Jones (QBs in Saskatchewan)
==================
KR Marcus Thigpen (NFL, Miami)
QB Kevin Glenn (Calgary, trade — for Henry Burris)
OL Mark Dewit (Calgary, trade — for Henry Burris)
S Dylan Barker (retired)
OL Simeon Rottier (released, signed in Edmonton)
RB Avon Cobourne (released)
DE Luc Mullinder (released)
DE Justin Hickman (NFL, Indianapolis)

[bluto]

and the West Division...


* denotes non-import
WEST DIVISION

B.C.
FREE AGENTS (4)
DT Aaron Hunt
CB Dante Marsh
DB Ryan Phillips
OL Andrew Jones*FREE AGENTS RE-SIGNED
DT Khalif Mitchell
LB Anton McKenzie
K/P Paul McCallumEXTENDED
RB Andrew Harris
C Angus Reid
SB Arland Bruce
DB Korey Banks
WR Paris JacksonADDITIONS
HC Mike Benevides (promoted from DC)
DC Rich Stubler (former DC in Edmonton)
===========DEPARTURES
HC Wally Buono (stays on as GM)
Def. Asst. Barron Miles (Saskatchewan, DBs)
==================
RB Jamal Robertson (retired)
WR Ryan Thelwell (retired)
DB Tad Kornegay (released)
LB Solomon Elimimian (NFL, Minnesota)
QB Jarious Jackson (released)
RB Jamall Lee (retired)


SASKATCHEWAN
FREE AGENTS (8)
WR Andy Fantuz*
RB Wes Cates
DB/KR Tristan Jackson
WR Cary Koch
FB Graeme Bell*
SB Jason Clermont*
RB Stuart Foord*
DB Leron Mitchell*FREE AGENTS RE-SIGNED
CB Nick Graham
DE Brent HawkinsEXTENDED
DT Keith ShologanADDITIONS
HC Corey Chamblin (former DC in Hamilton)
OC Bob Dyce (promoted from WRs)
OL Kris Sweet (former OLs in Calgary)
QBs Khari Jones (former OC in Hamilton)
WRs Jason Tucker (former WRs in Edmonton)
DBs Barron Miles (former def. asst. in B.C.)
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LB Maurice Lloyd
DB Graig Newman
WR Kolten Solomon
K/P Chris Bodnar
OL Clint Oldenburg
DL Boo Robinson
WR Jason Chery
WR Taj Smith
RB Kory Sheets
RB Louis Rankin
RB Demetrius CrawfordDEPARTURES
HC Ken Miller (retired)
==================
LB Barrin Simpson (released)
P Eddie Johnson (released)
DE R.J. Roberts (released)
DB Jeremiah Weatherspoon (released)
K/P Luca Congi (released)
DB Tamon George (released)
OL George Hudson (released)
DB John Eubanks (released)
WR Terrence Nunn (released)
DE Remond Willis (released)
LB Sean Lucas (retired)
LB Jerrell Freeman (NFL, Indianapolis)
QB Ryan Dinwiddie (released)
WR Freddie Barnes (released)
OL Alex Gauthier (released)
WR James Robinson (released)
OL Marc Parenteau (released)


CALGARY
FREE AGENTS (4)
P Burke Dales*
OL Tim O’Neill*
WR Arjei Franklin*
DB Brandon IsaacFREE AGENTS RE-SIGNED
LB Marc CalixteEXTENDED
RB Jon Cornish
QB Drew TateADDITIONS
DC Dave Walkosky (promoted from LBs)
DLs DeVone Claybrooks
===========
RB Matt Walter (2011 draft pick)
WR Mike Squires
QB Kevin Glenn (Hamilton, trade — for Henry Burris)
OL Mark Dewit (Hamilton, trade — for Henry Burris)
WR Chris Bauman (released by Edmonton)
LB Jadon Wagner
RB Jeramy Avery
RB Michael Smith
LB Joe Henderson
LB Montez Robinson
DL Cody Brown
DL Chase VaughnDEPARTURES
DC Chris Jones (Toronto, DC)
==================
QB Henry Burris (Hamilton, trade — for Kevin Glenn and Mark Dewit)
DT DeVone Claybrooks (retired)
RB Joffrey Reynolds (released)
LB Sean Ware (retired)


EDMONTON
FREE AGENTS (4)
LB Rod Davis
DE Greg Peach
LB Mark Restelli
RB Samuel Fournier*FREE AGENTS RE-SIGNED
FB Mathieu Bertrand
K Derek Schiavone
RB Calvin McCarty*
OL Kyle Koch
DL Etienne Legare
WR Andrew NowackiEXTENDED
DB Delroy Clarke
RB Hugh Charles
OL Greg Wojt
SB Fred StampsADDITIONS
DC Mark Nelson (promoted from LBs)
===========
DL Steven Friday
QB Steven Jyles (Toronto, trade — for Ricky Ray)
K Grant Shaw (Toronto, trade — for Ricky Ray)
LB Simoni Lawrence
WR Derrick Townsel
OL Mitch Erickson
LB Derek Domino
DB Michael Ricks
OL Orrin Thompson
P/K Eric Wilbur (formerly with Hamilton)
OL Simeon Rottier (released by Hamilton)
DL Rashad Jeanty (spent four seasons in NFL)
DL Kommonyan QuayeDEPARTURES
DC Rich Stubler (new DC in B.C.)
==================
QB Ricky Ray (Toronto, trade — for Steven Jyles, Grant Shaw and draft pick)
OL Patrick Kabongo (released)
WR Chris Bauman (released, signed in Calgary)
DB Wopamo Osaisai (released)
SB Jason Barnes (released)
KR Jason Armstead (released)
DB Jykine Bradley (released)
OL Chris Patrick (released)
DL Joe Sykes (released)
K/P Damon Duval (released)

[R.J]

Sent in mine today, hopefully the major media in Toronto eventually learns the error of their ways.

[1argoholic]

This has been a problem for years. I sent notes in yesterday.

[Ron]

The Argos should be making more news and distributing it on their web site. They can't even update the players stats on their site.

This. Hard to blame the media when any media guy can see the team can't even do what is required.

Lest we also forget that media are generally lazy goofs. Teams like the Jays and even MLSE are actively feeding these lazy oafs news stories in the off season knowing full well these guys won't look for a story. What looks like media bias in favour of these franchises is just the rewards of these franchises stroking the media.

The CFL (pretty much all teams) in the off season just sit back and expect that the media will find stories to print for them. So to bother to e-mail the media asking them to shall we say ... actually work. (Like that'll ever work) The focus should be on getting the CFL to be more active in feeding stories to the media in the off season and not just reply on what TSN decides to cover as part of their contract.

[Invader]

It's pretty much the same in most major CFL cities. The newspapers have fewer and fewer reporters and rely on U.S. media services to fill their blank spaces. Like the Bleacher Report which probably pays the newspapers to run their stories and links. Unfortunately, Americans don't cover the CFL, curling, ect, so our media largely ignore these sports. Luckily their are still reporters in Regina, Winnipeg, Calgary and the Toronto Sun who file national CFL stories...but they don't often get picked up by the other Toronto media.

The saddest state of affairs is the Argo and CFL sites in the Star, G&M and other major publications. The Toronto Star's Argo site feature story is a preview to the 2011 season. It would be hard to generate interest from new fans with such lackluster media coverage, especially compared with the American sports. And now with the Bell/Rogers agreement to cooperatively promote the NBA, MLS and Leafs (and both conglomerates are huge NFL backers) the writing is on the wall for the CFL...and Canada.

[ArgoRavi]

One of the things that I miss is the great sports columnists that we used to have in this country and how they would write on the CFL as much as anything. I was reminded of this in recent days with the death of Trent Frayne. I remember reading his columns in the Globe and Mail as a kid as I did Allen Abel's, Scott Young's and Jeffrey Goodman's. In the Star, they had the likes of Jim Proudfoot and Milt Dunnell and, of course, the Sun had Jim Hunt. They all wrote extensively about the Argos and CFL but, unfortunately, all but Abel and Goodman are gone and I have no idea what Goodman has been up to for the last 30 years. In Toronto today, we have Steve Simmons who isn't exactly "CFL-friendly" and Damien Cox who writes maybe five or six columns a year on the Argos/CFL. There is also Bill Lankhof in the Sun and Dave Perkins with his three columns a year on the Argos/CFL but that is about it. It really is a sad state of affairs in the Toronto media.

[ArgoRavi]

One of the things that I miss is the great sports columnists that we used to have in this country and how they would write on the CFL as much as anything. I was reminded of this in recent days with the death of Trent Frayne. I remember reading his columns in the Globe and Mail as a kid as I did Allen Abel's, Scott Young's and Jeffrey Goodman's. In the Star, they had the likes of Jim Proudfoot and Milt Dunnell and, of course, the Sun had Jim Hunt. They all wrote extensively about the Argos and CFL but, unfortunately, all but Abel and Goodman are gone and I have no idea what Goodman has been up to for the last 30 years. In Toronto today, we have Steve Simmons who isn't exactly "CFL-friendly" and Damien Cox who writes maybe five or six columns a year on the Argos/CFL. There is also Bill Lankhof in the Sun and Dave Perkins with his three columns a year on the Argos/CFL but that is about it. It really is a sad state of affairs in the Toronto media.

I was going to start a new thread about this but found this one that I can just tack my thoughts onto. Chris Cuthbert even favourited this tweet of mine today: <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Still waiting for a Toronto newspaper columnist to write about the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash">#Argos</a> for the 1st time this season. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/unbelievable?src=hash">#unbelievable</a></p>&mdash; Ravi R. (@ravira) <a href="https://twitter.com/ravira/status/632616337437802496">August 15, 2015</a></blockquote>
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We are seven games into the season and the likes of Bruce Arthur and Steve Simmons have yet to write a column analyzing this exciting team. During last week's thrilling win over Saskatchewan, what were Arthur and Simmons doing? They were watching the NFL Hall of Fame induction ceremony instead of the Argos' home opener. I know that the Jays are doing better and I understand that they will get the bulk of the sports media attention but why do the Argos have to get almost zero and nothing from the newspaper columnists? There really is something seriously wrong with the Toronto sports media.

[Wobbler]

Off-topic: Although thread re-use is generally a good idea, very old threads should stay buried unless there's a specific reason to disinter them (e.g. the solution to an old question has been found, or an old event has re-occurred).

On-topic: I agree. The Argos have been anything but boring, and there's no excuse for ignoring them entirely.

[ArgoRavi]

Sorry, Wobbler. I guess I should have started a new thread after all but the one thing that this thread shows is that, if anything, things have gotten even worse over the last 3+ years regarding coverage of the Argos.

As mentioned over in the Kackert thread, if he were playing for the Leafs or probably even for the Jays or Raptors, the Toronto sports media would be all over this wonderful comeback story. I always remember Norm Casola playing in the 1997 Grey Cup game despite being quite ill with cancer. Perry Lefko wrote a terrific article about what Casola went through not long after this death but, other than a story on Sportsnet about Casola prior to the '04 Grey Cup, nothing else has ever been said or written about him. If he were a hockey player, there would probably have been at least two movies - one made-for-TV and one feature film - made about his story by now. There are so many great stories around this franchise that go largely ignored by the Toronto sports media and it drives me crazy.

[argotom]

Even before the latest love in for the Crap Jays the media in the city save and except The Sun, have been hypnotized by the Rogers media juggernaut here in the city resulting in even less coverage then before.
And that's pretty bad as it difficult to go much lower.

[Argocister]

Perhaps they are all Stepford Wives ..... Managed by the rogers group.

The stories that are available from the Argos journey thus far should've been able to stir some interest .... Mind you I am biased.

On the other hand ...... If we are wanting to draw in fans from the 15-35 age group .... Perhaps the traditional media is not necessarily the ideal vehicle to attract them.
It will be the web based media that will be best to spread the info on the
Argos.... Which this year is definitely more than previous years.

[gilthethrill]

Maybe with the new deep pocketed owners that the Argos will have next season, perhaps the media (insert names here) that currently ignores the team will provide coverage if a free buffet is set out at press conferences, practises & after games?

[Argo]

Mainstream media is, by and large with few exceptions, an enormous steaming coil of fresh-daily excrement-with-an-agenda.

In this Internet age, why should anyone require mass-media coverage of the Argonauts (beyond that supplied axiomatically by the team's contractual partners, the CFL, and the organization itself)?

[Neely2005]

Mainstream media is, by and large with few exceptions, an enormous steaming coil of fresh-daily excrement-with-an-agenda.

In this Internet age, why should anyone require mass-media coverage of the Argonauts (beyond that supplied axiomatically by the team's contractual partners, the CFL, and the organization itself)?

Because the main stream media is on the Internet too and it's still one of the first places that people look, even on the Internet.

[Gill The Thrill]

The media like to call Toronto a great sports town, yet they have trouble following more than one team at a time, especially if they're owned by 2 different entities. The Raptor coverage was enhanced once they became part of the MLSE umbrella. The Argos have always been the first victims of the exorbitant Blue Jays coverage since 1984. It's as if stations can't send 2 field reporters or one guy to cover 2 practices or events, and that's even with the teams sharing facilities.

The Jays have always played hardball with the Argos in their dealings with them. Remember reading "Bouncing Back," where Toronto native, Jan Carinci reiterated that he resented the way the Jays never permitted Argo players private access on Blue Jay game days at the CNE and would force them to walk through Blue Jays fans to get to their dressing room after practice on a grass field at the CNE.

[1argoholic]

Toronto is the worst sports town there is. As I've mentioned each team is pitted against each other to make for a whole gong show of a fractured sports scene. Hell you see Jays fans and TFC fans together with Argo fans on a GO Train and very little is said to each other if anything. I was wearing my Argo jersey out on Friday doing some running around and band wagon jumper Jay fans just look at you with a perplexed look.

I'm so sick of the disrespect The Argonauts get at every turn in Southern Ontario. We watch CFTO News and Joe Tilly is the only guy who gives a crap about the Argos. Bunch of dorks talk golf over Argos.

[Argo57]

Toronto is the worst sports town there is. As I've mentioned each team is pitted against each other to make for a whole gong show of a fractured sports scene. Hell you see Jays fans and TFC fans together with Argo fans on a GO Train and very little is said to each other if anything. I was wearing my Argo jersey out on Friday doing some running around and band wagon jumper Jay fans just look at you with a perplexed look.

I'm so sick of the disrespect The Argonauts get at every turn in Southern Ontario. We watch CFTO News and Joe Tilly is the only guy who gives a crap about the Argos. Bunch of dorks talk golf over Argos.

It's called snobbery, I had my Argo cap on at the Jay game last Thursday and same deal.
Keep flying the flag people!!

[argotom]

Toronto is the worst sports town there is. As I've mentioned each team is pitted against each other to make for a whole gong show of a fractured sports scene. Hell you see Jays fans and TFC fans together with Argo fans on a GO Train and very little is said to each other if anything. I was wearing my Argo jersey out on Friday doing some running around and band wagon jumper Jay fans just look at you with a perplexed look.

I'm so sick of the disrespect The Argonauts get at every turn in Southern Ontario. We watch CFTO News and Joe Tilly is the only guy who gives a crap about the Argos. Bunch of dorks talk golf over Argos.

You are bang on #1, the so called World Class city is anything but.
Completely clueless and the worst sports town in Canada.
And this is not because no one cares for the Argos or the CFL either.

[ArgoFan1]

Some would say it is a "what came first, the chicken or the egg" type of question. I definitely believe it is the sports media in this city that continuously looks to American stories, having Americans on the radio every single day talking great detail about NFL training camps, or other American sports, and then they get to feel like they are part of that great sports world. If our guys spent half as much time talking about our own sports, there would be some interest. I really, really hate it when our own sports radio stations shut down their programming and simulcast some American programming. You know there will be absolutely zero talk about anything Canadian. I was really disappointed when I heard that on TSN radio. Of all places. I would expect that more on the Fan, which is a Rogers (p-tewy) front.
So, I totally blame all those so called sports personalities we have on air here. (Except Mike Hogan, of course) They all just want to be part of the American sports scene.

[ArgoRavi]

Some would say it is a "what came first, the chicken or the egg" type of question. I definitely believe it is the sports media in this city that continuously looks to American stories, having Americans on the radio every single day talking great detail about NFL training camps, or other American sports, and then they get to feel like they are part of that great sports world. If our guys spent half as much time talking about our own sports, there would be some interest. I really, really hate it when our own sports radio stations shut down their programming and simulcast some American programming. You know there will be absolutely zero talk about anything Canadian. I was really disappointed when I heard that on TSN radio. Of all places. I would expect that more on the Fan, which is a Rogers (p-tewy) front.
So, I totally blame all those so called sports personalities we have on air here. (Except Mike Hogan, of course) They all just want to be part of the American sports scene.

I think that what you are saying here is a big part of the problem, ArgoFan1. Jim Lang - who once coined the phrase "Give me CFL or give death" - is a prime example of someone who got a taste of the American sports scene and it was enough to make him a proponent of having the NFL come to Toronto.

Another somewhat strange thing I noticed not long ago was when an ESPN sports figure died. It was someone I had never heard of and I suspect that 99% of Canadians had never heard of this individual. On Twitter though, I noticed that several in the Toronto sports media people paid homage to this individual and acted like they knew him well. It was a seemingly small thing but it does underlie this notion that many in the Toronto sports media see themselves as belonging to the American/world class/major league club rather than with their Canadian colleagues which I have no doubt plays into the minimal coverage that the Argos/CFL get in Toronto.

[Argocister]

So I was listening to TSN radio .... The little that I do now ( does Barker or
Milanovich ever get on besides ArgosAllAccess ) often find I am turning it off....

A golf reporter was talking about the sad state of affairs with many sports reporters. Specifically in regards to following golf and Tiger Woods, but he said it goes for all the sports.
He commented that these reporters are like the kids in the candy store.... They go for the biggest and most colourful sucker in the place to lick. ..... Meaning that it's the easiest choice. They go for the Tiger Woods because everyone will read it and they can rehash previous commentary, and there isn't much work to do .... No investigative reporting..... No trying to get interest from the readers.... No talent needed!

Whoa.... Perfectly fits our environment .... And this comes from a sportswriter himself. ...... I'm sure there are exceptions to the rule .....( sorry can't remember the name .... Partsheimers)

[Stevoman]

Yes the world is becoming a sad place indeed. For the most part, it makes sense to live counter culturally (to value family over money, etc.) and cheering for the Argos and the CFL right now fits into that category. Lots of society is going to follow what the media is telling them and the world believes that the NFL is bigger and better. We all know that this is only because of NFL's money/marketing/hype. The game itself is different but certainly not better and neither are majority of the the players. For me, I love football and the Argonauts are a team I love but I also really like the Seahawks.
The biggest difference for me and why I love one and only like the other is also because of money. It's unbelievable to me that a quarterback can make 24 million a year or that a safety who signed for 6 million a season 2 years ago is holding out for more with 3 years left on his contract. Meanwhile the CFL has guys like Kackert making a couple of hundred dollars on a practice roster and having an incredible comeback. The CFL has more players playing because they love the game and being a part of something and there are far fewer selfish players who only view themselves as a brand. Those who know will always appreciate this about the CFL and those who don't are simply a product of our times.

[AngeloV]

Yes the world is becoming a sad place indeed. For the most part, it makes sense to live counter culturally (to value family over money, etc.) and cheering for the Argos and the CFL right now fits into that category. Lots of society is going to follow what the media is telling them and the world believes that the NFL is bigger and better. We all know that this is only because of NFL's money/marketing/hype. The game itself is different but certainly not better and neither are majority of the the players. For me, I love football and the Argonauts are a team I love but I also really like the Seahawks.
The biggest difference for me and why I love one and only like the other is also because of money. It's unbelievable to me that a quarterback can make 24 million a year or that a safety who signed for 6 million a season 2 years ago is holding out for more with 3 years left on his contract. Meanwhile the CFL has guys like Kackert making a couple of hundred dollars on a practice roster and having an incredible comeback. The CFL has more players playing because they love the game and being a part of something and there are far fewer selfish players who only view themselves as a brand. Those who know will always appreciate this about the CFL and those who don't are simply a product of our times.

Great post Stevoman.

Multi million dollar players complaining that they deserve more has really turned me off the other leagues as well. I still love my Leafs, and do enjoy the NFL, but they are a distant 2nd in terms of my sports preference to the CFL.

[Johno27]

...Lots of society is going to follow what the media is telling them and the world believes that the NFL is bigger and better. We all know that this is only because of NFL's money/marketing/hype. The game itself is different but certainly not better and neither are majority of the the players....
The biggest difference for me and why I love one and only like the other is also because of money. It's unbelievable to me that a quarterback can make 24 million a year or that a safety who signed for 6 million a season 2 years ago is holding out for more with 3 years left on his contract. Meanwhile the CFL has guys like Kackert making a couple of hundred dollars on a practice roster and having an incredible comeback. The CFL has more players playing because they love the game and being a part of something and there are far fewer selfish players who only view themselves as a brand.


Great post Stevoman.

Multi million dollar players complaining that they deserve more has really turned me off the other leagues as well. I still love my Leafs, and do enjoy the NFL, but they are a distant 2nd in terms of my sports preference to the CFL.

Here, Here! These two perspectives pretty much sum up my view of, and interest in, professional sports today.

[Gill The Thrill]

I was surprised nobody mentioned this so I will. Dionte Spencer was on the Thursday Afternoon drive on TSN 1050 at about 3 pm with Mike Hogan, which is no surprise and Brian Hayes, (the older Hayes, not the younger one who usually hosts and is guaranteed to never bring up the Argos let alone the CFL) I may have got his first name wrong.

I was a little miffed by how the hosts try to engage the audience, and a little disappointed seeing that the CFL is one of the major broadcast properties of TSN/Bell media. They made the connection of Spencer to a present member of the Blue Jays (Ryan Goins) and discussed that at length. It was a bit conversational, a little interesting, which is fine but is that all the Argos are worth in discussion. (A token mention is what it seemed to be as much a discussion about the Blue Jays) I don't think so, as I think this team and its' fans are undercovered and underserved. This type of coverage does not necessarily help. When Hayes was told by Spencer that Goins has invited him to games and that the Jays have not lost when he's been in attendance, Hayes actually begged Spencer if he could be in Anaheim for the Angels series...wow, great passion, he could have at least extended some of that to Spencer's team mentioning when their next game was and that he should check it out. I know Hogie is passionate about the Argos, he's the only guy on TSN radio remotely connected to the Argos, and the only one who'd ever think about talking Argo football.

I just don't think they should start a conversation with an Argo player by saying, you're not the most popular team in town and everybody is talking about the Blue Jays. That's akin to telling listeners, this is not important, turn the dial for a few minutes... to me it's just a strange and humble way to sell the team if you can even call it that. You would never hear Gareth Wheeler say that in discussing TFC and a lot of people really don't watch or follow them or the their league. Their in-game attendance is not much more than the Argos, maybe even less when you consider that BMO has less seats, and plenty are empty. (I don't think 8,000 fans are at the concessions throughout the game, and they announce seats sold) I know because I've been to several regular season games and seen others on TV, it's not full. Let's not even compare TV ratings which clearly shows that Canadian Football is still more popular, even in S. Ontario, than MLS soccer despite the lack of, or at best, indifferent Toronto coverage.

For a station, that says they're the voice of the Argos let's hear a little bit more from several on-air personalities and not just Mike Hogan, although I thank him because without him, the team does not exist on TSN 1050 until they have to broadcast a game which he announces. I know Hogie reads this board and the comments are not meant as a criticism, but more about an impression I get when listening to the station. It's as if they need to apologize because they're talking about the Argos and with some on-air personalities it's forced...god knows they'd probably prefer to cover the Arizona Cardinals training camp or a stupid NFL training camp fight in scrimmage.

TSN 1150 in Hamilton is due to start on Labour Day September 7 at 10 am (how appropriate for a sports radio channel from Hamilton?) and I receive their signal very well in my vehicle. If the Toronto sports stations don't shape up in giving the Argos and the CFL their just coverage based on TV ratings, interest and in-game attendance. (20,000 is still enough to fill the ACC) then I'll have no hesitation to getting my radio sports fix from 1150 when I don't want listen to music or news.

[Argocister]

Just don't become a Ticsts fan!

It's true, the
Argos are rarely mentioned on TSN anymore. Do they ever get the early morning spot on
Wednesday's anymore? I haven't heard it.
Thankful we have the
Argos access but I go online to get that as I work
Monday nights.... So 1050 has been turned off more than on this summer ..... But I guess I'm not in their focus age group.

[Argo57]

Just don't become a Ticsts fan!

It's true, the
Argos are rarely mentioned on TSN anymore. Do they ever get the early morning spot on
Wednesday's anymore? I haven't heard it.
Thankful we have the
Argos access but I go online to get that as I work
Monday nights.... So 1050 has been turned off more than on this summer ..... But I guess I'm not in their focus age group.

I always listened to the Fan back in the day (Hogan, Stellick, Shulman) and the like, recently switched to 1050 expecting the Argos to be front and centre (for obvious reasons) and so far have been hugely disappointed, mainly get my radio fix on Sirius radio, the Fan has no likeable on air personalities left and the whole station sucks IMO.

[Neely2005]

Well around 8:25 AM this morning Dean Blundell was making fun of the Argonauts and the CFL again on his FAN590 morning show.

[Will]

Ma Nishtana

I do recall Blundell & Co. being pretty positive about the 100th when he was still with Edge (Corus).

[AngeloV]

Well around 8:25 AM this morning Dean Blundell was making fun of the Argonauts and the CFL again on his FAN590 morning show.

Serves you right for listening to that station in the first place.

[Scooter McCray]

Ma Nishtana

I do recall Blundell & Co. being pretty positive about the 100th when he was still with Edge (Corus).

You are correct. He was positive back then. I don't listen to the Fan any longer. Making fun of the team is way offside given what they have had to put up with. This team could easily have mailed it in this year given all of the off-field issues and scheduling. Yet they are a first place team. This warrants being made fun of? What comes around goes around. Stick to the high road. The Rogers attitude is arrogant and most people will see that. Anyone listening to that and understanding what the team has accomplished this season cannot take their words seriously. It is a wonder their is any attendance whatsoever given the zero coverage by audio/visual media.

NO HUGGING OF ROGERS ONLY MALACHI CRUNCHING OF ROGERS!!!!

[Scooter McCray]

They cover the games and Mike Hogan does All Access. There is no beat guy covering the Argos everyday. Hogan is not able to do this. They don't have segments with league insiders anymore or TSN analysts like Dunigan and Suitor. Dave Naylor is a CFL insider for TSN yet rarely discusses the Argos. In season they should be discussed each day. Matt Cauz is a CFL analyst and rarely discusses the Argos, yet professes to love them on his CFL blogs. Where is Mike Richards? I know he likes the Argos, I have seen him many times at the dome. I have been told that Mike specifically has been told by management NOT to talk Argos. Why?

This network does a good job covering the games. They are a part owner in the ARgos. It is all Blue Jays all the time now, teh city has 2 first place teams. Why can it not handle covering both?

MALACHI CRUNCH ROGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[argotom]

Where have you been the last many years?
Other then the game and a very little sprinkling to include the GC, TSN is as bad as The Fan.
Both US wannabe factors with everything but CFL talk.
Did I mention hockey/hockey nearly 24/7 talk?

[Mike Hogan]

Let me state categorically that I have never been told by management to not talk Argos.

I hosted two midday segments last week and had Chris Rudge on one day and Diontae Spencer on the other day.

Thanks.

Hogan

[AngeloV]

Let me state categorically that I have never been told by management to not talk Argos.

I hosted two midday segments last week and had Chris Rudge on one day and Diontae Spencer on the other day.

Thanks.

Hogan

And we thank you for that Hogie.

It is a shame though that you are the only on air personality that has a regular Argo segment on your show. I'm hoping this changes next year when Bell and Tanenbaum take over.


Where is Mike Richards? I know he likes the Argos, I have seen him many times at the dome. I have been told that Mike specifically has been told by management NOT to talk Argos

I don't buy that. I think each individual host has and their producers make calls on guests. Richards was on sick leave, as he had some sort of surgery back in the spring. He is scheduled to return in the next few weeks.

[Neely2005]

As I've said before I have been incredibly disappointed in TSN 1050! Aside from broadcasting the games, Argos All Access and Hogie, Argonauts talk is non existent. Football Fridays don't even start until the NFL season starts and even then they barely even mention the CFL.

Then as mentioned in another Thread you have people like Steve Simmons taking shots at the Argonauts and the CFL.

I honestly think that I hear more Argonauts / CFL talk on the FAN590.


Let me state categorically that I have never been told by management to not talk Argos.

I hosted two midday segments last week and had Chris Rudge on one day and Diontae Spencer on the other day.

Thanks.

Hogan

I think that he was referring to Mike Richards not you.

[T-Bone]

I think that he was referring to Mike Richards not you.
I'm pretty sure Hogan is aware of that.


I have been told that Mike specifically has been told by management NOT to talk Argos. Why?
Who told you that? Like AngeloV I have my doubts about it.

[Will]

I have been told that Mike specifically has been told by management NOT to talk Argos.
If you are going to make accusations such as this you'll have to substantiate. Saying someone told you isn't good enough.



What are people's realistic expectations when it comes to the amount of coverage the Argos and the Canadian Football League should be receiving on TSN 1050?

[gilthethrill]

What are people's realistic expectations when it comes to the amount of coverage the Argos and the Canadian Football League should be receiving on TSN 1050?

Other TSN radio stations in other CFL cities have long post game shows with phone ins.....every week in Vancouver Lion President Skulsky comes on each week for something like 90 minutes and even takes calls from fans. Argos did not even have a pre game show on August 3rd against Hamilton...the first CFL game in Southern Ontario this season. It is realistic that TSN Toronto could have a similar format.

[argotom]

What are people's realistic expectations when it comes to the amount of coverage the Argos and the Canadian Football League should be receiving on TSN 1050?


Are you kidding me.
In Canada, ok maybe save and except here in Toronto the wannabe US city, not to talk about the Argos and the CFL should be a crime.

[ArgoGabe22]

I think the 1050 production during games are fantastic but I am a bit disappointed with the post game show which is not a knock against the production crew but perhaps the network?

By the time I get to the car, the post game show has pretty much ended. I may be exaggerating but once it seemed like the post game show was 10 minutes long as it had to be cut on the top of the hour so an already prerecorded ESPN show could be played talking about NFL preseason/training camp. For me, live sports should always be a priority over prerecorded shows.

When I was in Calgary last week, they were still talking about the game afterwards as we drove back and seemed to keep on going as we arrived to our destination. Then in the morning they continued to talk about the game.

[Will]

I have also noted that the other TSN stations actually post the audio broadcast of the game as part of their archives. I wouldn't mind TSN 1050 doing the same as well.

[Scooter McCray]

If you are going to make accusations such as this you'll have to substantiate. Saying someone told you isn't good enough.

This is a first place team in this city. There are all kinds of feel good story lines for a city that does not have a lot of winners. I think this warrants morethan zero coverage outside of GameDay.



What are people's realistic expectations when it comes to the amount of coverage the Argos and the Canadian Football League should be receiving on TSN 1050?

I was referring to Mike Richards and this is a social media blog. I am not being quoted in a paper. When I see MR next I will ask him this. The coverage they get should be proportionate to viewership. I in season behind only Blue Jays right now and only because they are hot. In the fall only behind Leafs. Off season they should still be discussed weekly.

MALACHI CRUNCH ROGERS

[Will]

You also have to consider Jim Hunt's adage about the CFL and porn when considering this subject

[AngeloV]

What are people's realistic expectations when it comes to the amount of coverage the Argos and the Canadian Football League should be receiving on TSN 1050?

My realistic expectation is that they should have at least 1 segment per 3 or 4 hour show (morning, mid-morning, afternoon, late afternoon and early evening) during the season. As the rights holder, that should be mandated by upper management. As I said, hopefully this will change once they become ownership partners.

I don't expect all Argos all the time, like some here apparently do, but I don't think mine is an unreasonable expectation.


Are you kidding me.
In Canada, ok maybe save and except here in Toronto the wannabe US city, not to talk about the Argos and the CFL should be a crime.

You know, before you start whining, perhaps you should try and listen to sports stations in other markets. I've been listening to Edmonton sports radio all week in hopes of hearing more of the Argos and Esks game tonight. They do have a bit more coverage of CFL, but they still have just as much coverage of NFL camps and tons of NHL. Maybe you should change your stance to Canada being a wannabe US country.

[R.J]

My realistic expectation is that they should have at least 1 segment per 3 or 4 hour show (morning, mid-morning, afternoon, late afternoon and early evening) during the season. As the rights holder, that should be mandated by upper management. As I said, hopefully this will change once they become ownership partners.

I don't expect all Argos all the time, like some here apparently do, but I don't think mine is an unreasonable expectation.
100% behind this.

[argotom]

My realistic expectation is that they should have at least 1 segment per 3 or 4 hour show (morning, mid-morning, afternoon, late afternoon and early evening) during the season. As the rights holder, that should be mandated by upper management. As I said, hopefully this will change once they become ownership partners.

I don't expect all Argos all the time, like some here apparently do, but I don't think mine is an unreasonable expectation.



You know, before you start whining, perhaps you should try and listen to sports stations in other markets. I've been listening to Edmonton sports radio all week in hopes of hearing more of the Argos and Esks game tonight. They do have a bit more coverage of CFL, but they still have just as much coverage of NFL camps and tons of NHL. Maybe you should change your stance to Canada being a wannabe US country.


I have been to other cities in this country.
From my experience, it's not even close as no one is as bad as Toronto for the arrogance of the population and especially the US wannabe factor.
Exactly one of the reasons and rightfully so the rest of Canada hates us.

[Will]

I have been to other cities in this country.
From my experience, it's not even close as no one is as bad as Toronto for the arrogance of the population and especially the US wannabe factor.
Exactly one of the reasons and rightfully so the rest of Canada hates us.

Your dodging his question, which is have you listened to the other sports stations in other Canadian markets?

[argotom]

Your dodging his question, which is have you listened to the other sports stations in other Canadian markets?

I am not dodging anything, I have been to other cities have listened to their stations.
Sure there is US sports talk but nothing as bad as here not even close.
Currently on Sirrius radio when the games are telecast I do listen to the radio play by play and afterwards and it's lights out difference.
Why has anyone heard different, that would be a lie?

[Scooter McCray]

My realistic expectation is that they should have at least 1 segment per 3 or 4 hour show (morning, mid-morning, afternoon, late afternoon and early evening) during the season. As the rights holder, that should be mandated by upper management. As I said, hopefully this will change once they become ownership partners.

I don't expect all Argos all the time, like some here apparently do, but I don't think mine is an unreasonable expectatio



You know, before you start whining, perhaps you should try and listen to sports stations in other markets. I've been listening to Edmonton sports radio all week in hopes of hearing more of the Argos and Esks game tonight. They do have a bit more coverage of CFL, but they still have just as much coverage of NFL camps and tons of NHL. Maybe you should change your stance to Canada being a wannabe US country.


I think this would represent fair and balanced coverage. It is also light years ahead of what we have today.

[shayman]

As I've said before I have been incredibly disappointed in TSN 1050! Aside from broadcasting the games, Argos All Access and Hogie, Argonauts talk is non existent. Football Fridays don't even start until the NFL season starts and even then they barely even mention the CFL.

"Aside from all the time they talk about the Argos, they never talk about the Argos!"

Come on, give TSN1050 some credit here. They're still doing more than anybody else in this market.


I have been to other cities in this country.
From my experience, it's not even close as no one is as bad as Toronto for the arrogance of the population and especially the US wannabe factor.
Exactly one of the reasons and rightfully so the rest of Canada hates us.

Which of those other cities in this country have

• A major league baseball team currently in the race for the playoffs?
* And an NFL team an hour down the road.
• And a second NFL team within a 4 hour drive.
• And a third NFL team within a 5 hour drive
• And ANOTHER CFL team nearby.

Not many.

[argonaut11xx]

Your dodging his question, which is have you listened to the other sports stations in other Canadian markets?

I watch, "Toronto Lunch", "Winnipeg Lunch", and "Vancouver Lunch" pretty much every single day.

Brian Hayes NEVER talks CFL, in fact he ignores the fact Toronto WON a championship in 2012.

Rick Ralph on Winnipeg lunch talks CFL (not just bombers), in fact last week he had Adrion Smith on his show talking "Argo's"

Matt Sekeras on Vancouver lunch, talks Lions, and has Glen Suitor on regularly to talk CFL. That said he is the most terrible sports personality EVER, more excited about womens golf than the BC lions, plus he is a massive light weight in terms of basic knowledge of sport.

So, to answer the question TSN 1050 is the worst when it comes to CFL or Argo talk. Angelo V had it right in his earlier post regarding at least a segment every so often.

[Neely2005]

"Aside from all the time they talk about the Argos, they never talk about the Argos!"

Come on, give TSN1050 some credit here. They're still doing more than anybody else in this market.



Which of those other cities in this country have

• A major league baseball team currently in the race for the playoffs?
* And an NFL team an hour down the road.
• And a second NFL team within a 4 hour drive.
• And a third NFL team within a 5 hour drive
• And ANOTHER CFL team nearby.

Not many.

Outside of the games they probably talk about the Argonauts for a couple of hours per week.

What NFL team is an hour drive from Toronto?

[argotom]

"Aside from all the time they talk about the Argos, they never talk about the Argos!"

Come on, give TSN1050 some credit here. They're still doing more than anybody else in this market.



Which of those other cities in this country have

• A major league baseball team currently in the race for the playoffs?
* And an NFL team an hour down the road.
• And a second NFL team within a 4 hour drive.
• And a third NFL team within a 5 hour drive
• And ANOTHER CFL team nearby.

Not many.


What does that have to do with anything?
This is still Canada, despite the fact a lot in this city are complete wannabes and couldn't care less about the too few and disappearing institutions left in the country such as the CFL and Argos.

[ArgoRavi]

I am still waiting for a Toronto sports columnist (e.g., Bruce Arthur, Steve Simmons) to write a column about the Argos for the first time this season. We may get it on Labour Day weekend but not likely before then which is absolutely pathetic.

[shayman]

What NFL team is an hour drive from Toronto?

OK, an hour as the very fast crow flies, maybe not driving. It's 67 miles from Skydome to Ralph Wilson Stadium in a straight line. (189 miles to FirstEnergy Stadium in Cleveland. 206 miles to Ford Field in Detroit. )

Point being, with MLB, NBA, NHL, and being surrounded by NFL teams, there is a lot of other sports background noise around here that you don't find in most other CFL cities. Of *course* there isn't as much CFL talk in the media here as there is in some cities. That shouldn't surprise anybody.

[argos1873]

OK, an hour as the very fast crow flies, maybe not driving. It's 67 miles from Skydome to Ralph Wilson Stadium in a straight line. (189 miles to FirstEnergy Stadium in Cleveland. 206 miles to Ford Field in Detroit. )

Point being, with MLB, NBA, NHL, and being surrounded by NFL teams, there is a lot of other sports background noise around here that you don't find in most other CFL cities. Of *course* there isn't as much CFL talk in the media here as there is in some cities. That shouldn't surprise anybody.

I agree with all of this, but there should be more, especially on TSN radio. Even an hour a day about the Argos and the CFL would be better than what we get now. I don't think that's unrealistic, barring any law Argotom would like to see introduced.

[argotom]

I agree with all of this, but there should be more, especially on TSN radio. Even an hour a day about the Argos and the CFL would be better than what we get now. I don't think that's unrealistic, barring any law Argotom would like to see introduced.


Yes I would use the same law that mandates Canadian music content on radio which requires between 10-25%.
Many "experts" have said this has helped and preserved the Canadian music industry.
I am all for it.
Why should it be any different for talk or sports radio.
Mandate same for TSN and The Fan so we have CFL and CIS talk.
Not the current nonsense now on both of these stations.
Who gives a rats rectum about NCAA which gets more air time then our CFL and CIS combined.
And don't tell me even in this wannabe city there are people out there who care about US college crap.
Hockey and specifically the Leafs over the top 24/7 coverage currently on would not qualify for this rule.

[AngeloV]

Yes I would use the same law that mandates Canadian music content on radio which requires between 10-25%.
Many "experts" have said this has helped and preserved the Canadian music industry.
I am all for it.
Why should it be any different for talk or sports radio.
Mandate same for TSN and The Fan so we have CFL and CIS talk.
Not the current nonsense there is on now on both of these stations.
Who gives a rats rectum about NCAA which gets more air time then our CFL and CIS combined.
And don't tell me even in this wannabe city there are people out there who care about US college crap.
Hockey and specifically the Leafs over the top 24/7 coverage currently on would not qualify for this rule.

Good luck with that. You truly have unreasonable expectations and keep using this city being US wannabes as your argument. While I agree that there are way too many people that turn there noses at the CFL because in their minds it's second tier, the demand for all those other leagues is there, or there wouldn't be the amount of coverage.

As for your "And don't tell me even in this wannabe city there are people out there who care about US college crap." comment, I guess in that case you don't care about more than half of the CFL, because a majority of the players you see come from there.

Tell you what, go and start your own All CFL all the time station, or even podcast, and tell me how well you do from a business point of view.

[argotom]

Good luck with that. You truly have unreasonable expectations and keep using this city being US wannabes as your argument. While I agree that there are way too many people that turn there noses at the CFL because in their minds it's second tier, the demand for all those other leagues is there, or there wouldn't be the amount of coverage.

As for your "And don't tell me even in this wannabe city there are people out there who care about US college crap." comment, I guess in that case you don't care about more than half of the CFL, because a majority of the players you see come from there.

Tell you what, go and start your own All CFL all the time station, or even podcast, and tell me how well you do from a business point of view.


What are you talking about "the demand for all those other leagues is there" nonsense.
It's the program director with likely direction from the station manager that mandates discussion.
All I know as long as there is TV viewership interest in the city generally estimated at 200,000 per game, those numbers prove interest.
I would gladly start and successfully run a an all sports station with my flagship coverage during the season being the Argos and CFL.
I am not suggesting all CFL/Argos all of the time, other sports would be covered and reasonably is the key.
To include CIS.
Your attitude and some others here is exactly the same to those who were against when the Canadian content protection legislation was mandated for the music industry.

[Ballstothewall]

What are you talking about "the demand for all those other leagues is there" nonsense.
It's the program director with likely direction from the station manager that mandates discussion.
All I know as long as there is TV viewership interest in the city generally estimated at 200,000 per game, those numbers prove interest.
I would gladly start and successfully run a an all sports station with my flagship coverage during the season being the Argos and CFL.
I am not suggesting all CFL/Argos all of the time, other sports would be covered and reasonably is the key.
To include CIS.
Your attitude and some others here is exactly the same to those who were against when the Canadian content protection legislation was mandated for the music industry.


Could not agree more. Of course TSN in T.O should be covering the league and Argos more. It's funny all the Blue Jay talk they do, when in fact most people who want to talk more Jays talk turn into the station that owns the Jays rights. It's common sense. The fan had a top 4 at 4 contest a few years back. The Fan would pick 4 sport related story's and the listeners would vote via calling into the station. It would drive the Fan afternoon drive hosts ( Dan Shulman) nuts because the Argos and or CFL story would win 8 times out of 10. It got so bad that the fan would put 2 CFL story's up, hoping they would spilt the vote. Do not work, Argos/Cfl still won. Shulman would say the same thing Bobcat states now. Well no one calls about the Argos, so why cover it. Yet when it was time to hear CFL/ Argo interest story's, people called in droves. Big difference from calling into a radio station and calling a talking on the air.TSN paid good money to keep the CFL rights, yet in T.O they do little coverage of the team/ league and in some cases still take cheap shots at the product.

[LLB997]

Totally Interesting reading everyones comments. In my neck of the woods there Is a carbon copy sports fan to
the Southern Ontario CFL fan....... The New York/New Jersey hockey fan. The NY sports media generally know nothing
about hockey and seem barely motivated to change that. Most of the time when they do talk Rangers, it almost always reverts back to Messier, the Guarantee and the 94 cup. Steve Somers is the worst when it comes to this and I consider him a sports radio great.

Whenever Bettman is on NY sports radio its almost a carbon copy of when Cohon would go on the fan. Bettman spends most of the segment defending the tv ratings painting an unrealistic picture of the NHL's relevance in the NY/NJ market. They never talk the finer points of the game, its just bettman on the defensive for 10 minutes.

I have seen news anchors get visibly upset (usually a woman anchor saying, OMG , why is hockey still on?) when the sportcaster shows hockey highlights around early June when the weather gets hot outside as if its offensive to them that hockey is being shown during primetime for the "boy's of summer".

I heard a councilor from Queens New York have a bitchfit referring to Hockey as a white persons sport when they flirted moving the Isles to Queens.

The Rangers would literally have to be in the finals to get the back/frontpage sports headline. Devils or Isles?? haha, ya right, maybe a cup win. Argos get the odd gameday 6 pages.


Ignore sports radio, its a DEAD format, their "target" audience is on twitter, youtube and instagram. When the Fan in NY does open the phone lines to listeners in a city of 8 million, its the same 7 or 8 clowns that call in. That F@cken Eddie from the Bronx calling in non stop to bash the Mets and Giants . The listenership are nothing but a bunch of crumudgeon's and bobcats horde of fanboys are no different.

oh, and 1 more thing, my inlaws live on 6th ave, The NHL offices are right across the street. During the NHL strike , all I saw were the same cast of shady Toronto and Canadian sports media hovering around the NHL store and starbucks. Saw ZERO NY or American sports outlets waiting around like they had nothing better to do, its was nothing but Canadian media. For a joke I opened the window and yelled at them to "go back to Canada you hosers". haha. good times


Anyways, I was in Toronto during the Redblacks weekend and wore my Argos hat proudly downtown, 3 people i did not know started talking to me about them. I was in my old Hometown repping the Boatmen as if Toronto did not even have a MLB team. All I saw were Jays hats and I could give 2 Fuck's. I was in Double Blue town.


Follow my example and carry on. cheers

ps- Toronto isn't a wannabe American city. American cities support their football teams. American Football fans wayyyy more similar to Canadian CFL fans. Americans are generally fantastic people , just saying this to suppress any anti American sounding "Wannabe" talk.

[AngeloV]

What are you talking about "the demand for all those other leagues is there" nonsense.
It's the program director with likely direction from the station manager that mandates discussion.
All I know as long as there is TV viewership interest in the city generally estimated at 200,000 per game, those numbers prove interest.
I would gladly start and successfully run a an all sports station with my flagship coverage during the season being the Argos and CFL.
I am not suggesting all CFL/Argos all of the time, other sports would be covered and reasonably is the key.
To include CIS.
Your attitude and some others here is exactly the same to those who were against when the Canadian content protection legislation was mandated for the music industry.

So you are saying that program directors 100% dictate what goes on, and has nothing to do with research data and ratings?

Not once did I say the CFL/Argo coverage was where I think it should be. If you read my earlier posts, you will see that I had stated what I think the minimum amount of coverage should be during the season. In reading your comments not just here but most of the time, you will not be satisfied until there is an all Argos/CFL station in the market. Sorry, but unless you find someone willing to lose a lot of money, that will not happen.

Maybe you're just not very good at explaining your stance, I don't know, but I find your complaints way over the top.

[paulwoods13]

Yes I would use the same law that mandates Canadian music content on radio which requires between 10-25%.
Many "experts" have said this has helped and preserved the Canadian music industry.
I am all for it.

You do realize that having the content of talk radio be regulated by government runs completely counter to everything your favourite former mayor ever stood for, right?

[argotom]

So you are saying that program directors 100% dictate what goes on, and has nothing to do with research data and ratings?

Not once did I say the CFL/Argo coverage was where I think it should be. If you read my earlier posts, you will see that I had stated what I think the minimum amount of coverage should be during the season. In reading your comments not just here but most of the time, you will not be satisfied until there is an all Argos/CFL station in the market. Sorry, but unless you find someone willing to lose a lot of money, that will not happen.

Maybe you're just not very good at explaining your stance, I don't know, but I find your complaints way over the top.


I have never said an all CFL/Argos radio sports station.
So your statement how this would lose a ton of money is not relevant.
Although now that you mention it, hmm?
Conversely I do believe the league could make an all CFL TV channel viable.
Explain to me how it is that in nearby Hamilton, part of the GTA, they talk quite a bit Cats and the league?
Let me reiterate again and there are many here that have the same position and I presume even you agree, the team and the league does not garner anywhere close to the required coverage it justly deserves.
I have explained my position quite clearly and it has not wavered.
For me, it's all about the Rogers prejudice here in the media market when combined with the wannabe US factor involving the other outlets.


You do realize that having the content of talk radio be regulated by government runs completely counter to everything your favourite former mayor ever stood for, right?


Oh yes, it's like we have a total freedom of expression in our society?
And what does the good Rob Ford have to do about it?


Totally Interesting reading everyones comments. In my neck of the woods there Is a carbon copy sports fan to
the Southern Ontario CFL fan....... The New York/New Jersey hockey fan. The NY sports media generally know nothing
about hockey and seem barely motivated to change that. Most of the time when they do talk Rangers, it almost always reverts back to Messier, the Guarantee and the 94 cup. Steve Somers is the worst when it comes to this and I consider him a sports radio great.

Whenever Bettman is on NY sports radio its almost a carbon copy of when Cohon would go on the fan. Bettman spends most of the segment defending the tv ratings painting an unrealistic picture of the NHL's relevance in the NY/NJ market. They never talk the finer points of the game, its just bettman on the defensive for 10 minutes.

I have seen news anchors get visibly upset (usually a woman anchor saying, OMG , why is hockey still on?) when the sportcaster shows hockey highlights around early June when the weather gets hot outside as if its offensive to them that hockey is being shown during primetime for the "boy's of summer".

I heard a councilor from Queens New York have a bitchfit referring to Hockey as a white persons sport when they flirted moving the Isles to Queens.

The Rangers would literally have to be in the finals to get the back/frontpage sports headline. Devils or Isles?? haha, ya right, maybe a cup win. Argos get the odd gameday 6 pages.


Ignore sports radio, its a DEAD format, their "target" audience is on twitter, youtube and instagram. When the Fan in NY does open the phone lines to listeners in a city of 8 million, its the same 7 or 8 clowns that call in. That F@cken Eddie from the Bronx calling in non stop to bash the Mets and Giants . The listenership are nothing but a bunch of crumudgeon's and bobcats horde of fanboys are no different.

oh, and 1 more thing, my inlaws live on 6th ave, The NHL offices are right across the street. During the NHL strike , all I saw were the same cast of shady Toronto and Canadian sports media hovering around the NHL store and starbucks. Saw ZERO NY or American sports outlets waiting around like they had nothing better to do, its was nothing but Canadian media. For a joke I opened the window and yelled at them to "go back to Canada you hosers". haha. good times


Anyways, I was in Toronto during the Redblacks weekend and wore my Argos hat proudly downtown, 3 people i did not know started talking to me about them. I was in my old Hometown repping the Boatmen as if Toronto did not even have a MLB team. All I saw were Jays hats and I could give 2 F@#k's. I was in Double Blue town.


Follow my example and carry on. cheers

ps- Toronto isn't a wannabe American city. American cities support their football teams. American Football fans wayyyy more similar to Canadian CFL fans. Americans are generally fantastic people , just saying this to suppress any anti American sounding "Wannabe" talk.


Thanks for your perspective LLB.
However the big difference that I see with your comparison is that hockey by and large is a foreign game to the Americans.
They have seen it for what 50+ years and frankly other then some niche pockets, the TV viewership rejects it as a serious sport.
The CFL is a Canadian tradition, pretty much cherished everywhere except here by the media in the city of Toronto.
Unfortunately the media is not a representation of the population, with the radio and TV station directors and their bias calling the shots.
Locally the media downfall started around the time the Crap Jays won the WS in the early 90's.

[Neely2005]

Could not agree more. Of course TSN in T.O should be covering the league and Argos more. It's funny all the Blue Jay talk they do, when in fact most people who want to talk more Jays talk turn into the station that owns the Jays rights. It's common sense. The fan had a top 4 at 4 contest a few years back. The Fan would pick 4 sport related story's and the listeners would vote via calling into the station. It would drive the Fan afternoon drive hosts ( Dan Shulman) nuts because the Argos and or CFL story would win 8 times out of 10. It got so bad that the fan would put 2 CFL story's up, hoping they would spilt the vote. Do not work, Argos/Cfl still won. Shulman would say the same thing Bobcat states now. Well no one calls about the Argos, so why cover it. Yet when it was time to hear CFL/ Argo interest story's, people called in droves. Big difference from calling into a radio station and calling a talking on the air.TSN paid good money to keep the CFL rights, yet in T.O they do little coverage of the team/ league and in some cases still take cheap shots at the product.

And this is what annoys me. It's not like the interest isn't there. We see it in things like you mentioned above. We see it in the Argonauts TV Ratings. We see it in the Toronto Sun readers poll where the Argonauts are usually the second most popular Toronto team after the leafs. We even see it in the Argonauts getting similar Real attendance as TFC. Yet somehow the Toronto media (aside from the Sun) portrays TFC as a smashing success and the Argonauts as being a dismal failure.

[AngeloV]

And this is what annoys me. It's not like the interest isn't there.

At this point the interest isn't there. How else can you explain less than 10,000 actual butts in seats last game? The team was freaking 5-2 going into that game. Blame the media all you want and trumpet the TV ratings, but I refuse to put my head in the sand.

Really tired of the apologists on here. The blame lies with the current ownership group, plain and simple. They really should be reaching out to the stations to have more player/coaches to be interviewed on the air, but they don't.

If it doesn't change next year, then we have a serious problem.

[Neely2005]

At this point the interest isn't there. How else can you explain less than 10,000 actual butts in seats last game? The team was freaking 5-2 going into that game. Blame the media all you want and trumpet the TV ratings, but I refuse to put my head in the sand.

Really tired of the apologists on here. The blame lies with the current ownership group, plain and simple. They really should be reaching out to the stations to have more player/coaches to be interviewed on the air, but they don't.

If it doesn't change next year, then we have a serious problem.

If the interest isn't there please explain all the things mentioned in my post above and the post that I quoted.

Because a lot of people don't like watching football games in the baseball stadium that is the Rogers Centre.

Apologists? So pointing out facts is being an apologist?

I agree that the current ownership group has not done a good job and has not treated the fans well.

[argotom]

If the interest isn't there please explain all the things mentioned in my post above and the post that I quoted.

Because a lot of people don't like watching football games in the baseball stadium that is the Rogers Centre.


Bingo!
On top of the horrendous dates and treatment like a not second but a third hand citizen.
Could you imagine if the reverse was true?
Argos having the regular/premium dates and the Crap Jays picking up scraps with the starting time let's say afternoon games throughout the season and weekend times around 9 pm.

[AngeloV]

If the interest isn't there please explain all the things mentioned in my post above and the post that I quoted.

Because a lot of people don't like watching football games in the baseball stadium that is the Rogers Centre.

Apologists? So pointing out facts is being an apologist?

I agree that the current ownership group has not done a good job and has not treated the fans well.

Wow is all I can say here. I can buy that argument if the crowd was actually 20k, but not the 8 or 9K that was there.

It's only been the last 10 or so years MAX, that the Argos have had this type of schedule from the dome. How do you explain regular crowds of 17k when Flutie and that great team was here? Yes they had bigger "papered" houses under C&S.

I love the Argos and CFL, and have been to almost every home game for the last 35 years. I just think you and AT are going way over the top in trying to find someone to blame. Argos marketing department has been taken down to zero, and was never really big under Braley. That is where the our of sight, out of mind theory really should be looked at.

[paulwoods13]

Oh yes, it's like we have a total freedom of expression in our society?
And what does the good Rob Ford have to do about it?


I just don't understand how you can support someone who believes government should stay out of people's lives, yet also support the notion of adding more government regulation.

[Wobbler]

Perhaps this debate should be postponed until next year - after the team is re-booted - so we can gauge the true level of interest in our team.

[Will]

Neely,

I think all Angelo is trying to point out is that the Argonauts themselves have to share in the blame for the current state of affairs in addition to the lack of helpfulness from the media and other factors.

Argotom is correct that things really started to decline when the Blue Jays won the World Series in 1992 and 1993. However, one cannot ignore the fact that the Argos were a terrible team in 1992 and 1993 and the McNall/Candy/Gretzky ownership trio had withdrawn from the team largely by 1993. Were McNall and Gretzky even present at any games in 1993? I assume that Candy still was.

[AngeloV]

Neely,

I think all Angelo is trying to point out is that the Argonauts themselves have to share in the blame for the current state of affairs in addition to the lack of helpfulness from the media and other factors.

Argotom is correct that things really started to decline when the Blue Jays won the World Series in 1992 and 1993. However, one cannot ignore the fact that the Argos were a terrible team in 1992 and 1993 and the McNall/Candy/Gretzky ownership trio had withdrawn from the team largely by 1993. Were McNall and Gretzky even present at any games in 1993? I assume that Candy still was.

Thank You.

[Neely2005]

Neely,

I think all Angelo is trying to point out is that the Argonauts themselves have to share in the blame for the current state of affairs in addition to the lack of helpfulness from the media and other factors.

Argotom is correct that things really started to decline when the Blue Jays won the World Series in 1992 and 1993. However, one cannot ignore the fact that the Argos were a terrible team in 1992 and 1993 and the McNall/Candy/Gretzky ownership trio had withdrawn from the team largely by 1993. Were McNall and Gretzky even present at any games in 1993? I assume that Candy still was.

I don't disagree that the Argonauts have been mismanaged under Braley. However if anything that only makes their TV Ratings and ranking in things like the Toronto Sun readers poll even more impressive. There is significant interest in the Argonauts, unfortunately they are largely ignored by the Toronto media. I still don't understand why TSN1050 gives them so little coverage.

[Will]

Perhaps because national TV ratings are easy to ignore, although in theory TSN should know TV ratings in the GTA, which is even scarier.

[ArgoRavi]

Neely,

I think all Angelo is trying to point out is that the Argonauts themselves have to share in the blame for the current state of affairs in addition to the lack of helpfulness from the media and other factors.

Argotom is correct that things really started to decline when the Blue Jays won the World Series in 1992 and 1993. However, one cannot ignore the fact that the Argos were a terrible team in 1992 and 1993 and the McNall/Candy/Gretzky ownership trio had withdrawn from the team largely by 1993. Were McNall and Gretzky even present at any games in 1993? I assume that Candy still was.

Candy was doing much of the decision-making in the organization by '93 IIRC. It was Candy's decision to hire Ron Barbaro as President and to fire head coach Dennis Meyer and bring back Bob O'Billovich to replace him. Mouse Davis also got the axe as offensive coordinator at the same time Meyer did (Meyer did stick around as d-coordinator for the rest of the season). I also remember Candy being front and centre at the press conference to announce Obie's return and he certainly gave the impression that this was his decision.

[T-Bone]

Here is something that has been getting some attention on social media. I think this was a smart marketing move: Why the Toronto Argos bought this 1990 Toyota Corolla (http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/why-the-toronto-argos-bought-this-1990-toyota-corolla)

[Neely2005]

Here is something that has been getting some attention on social media. I think this was a smart marketing move: Why the Toronto Argos bought this 1990 Toyota Corolla (http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/why-the-toronto-argos-bought-this-1990-toyota-corolla)

That's pretty cool.

[1argoholic]

That's a great story.

[argos1873]

Neely,

I think all Angelo is trying to point out is that the Argonauts themselves have to share in the blame for the current state of affairs in addition to the lack of helpfulness from the media and other factors.

Argotom is correct that things really started to decline when the Blue Jays won the World Series in 1992 and 1993. However, one cannot ignore the fact that the Argos were a terrible team in 1992 and 1993 and the McNall/Candy/Gretzky ownership trio had withdrawn from the team largely by 1993. Were McNall and Gretzky even present at any games in 1993? I assume that Candy still was.

I agree the Argos themselves have a lot to do with the fan support and coverage in Toronto, lack there of, but AngeloV said that its ALL due to the Argos. "The blame lies with the current ownership group, plain and simple". Not entirely true. It doesn't matter who the ownership of the Argos are, and what they do, the media whips them like hell. Its fun times for them to whip them, just like trolls on the Internet, only people listening get used to hearing that and it helps to form their opinions. So is it ownerships fault, well this ownership surely has its faults, but even if they did actually do something to market the brand, the media in Toronto would still whip them, until they felt whipping them wasn't favourable anymore. And in my opinion, its going to take a whole hell of a lot of marketing and fan response for the media to pull that whip back. And even then, there will still be the NFL wannabes and lovers that are going to flog that whip. The hill to climb is huge, and it won't get any easier until the media is at least somewhat on board.

[AngeloV]

I agree the Argos themselves have a lot to do with the fan support and coverage in Toronto, lack there of, but AngeloV said that its ALL due to the Argos. "The blame lies with the current ownership group, plain and simple". Not entirely true. It doesn't matter who the ownership of the Argos are, and what they do, the media whips them like hell. Its fun times for them to whip them, just like trolls on the Internet, only people listening get used to hearing that and it helps to form their opinions. So is it ownerships fault, well this ownership surely has its faults, but even if they did actually do something to market the brand, the media in Toronto would still whip them, until they felt whipping them wasn't favourable anymore. And in my opinion, its going to take a whole hell of a lot of marketing and fan response for the media to pull that whip back. And even then, there will still be the NFL wannabes and lovers that are going to flog that whip. The hill to climb is huge, and it won't get any easier until the media is at least somewhat on board.

You are right. I wasn't clear. Though I didn't say all the blame lands with the current wonership, I really should have said that the majority of the blame lands on the current ownership.

It really is a catch 22. It's hard for the media to get fully on board with the team, when the ownership itself appears to not give a damn. If they did, they would see the small crowds and try to get together with some local corporate or retail outlets and do what they can to offer deals for people to get in at a more affordable price. Similar to the 7-11 deal they used to have. Or the Dominion deal in the 90's, A&P and Scotiabank boosters in the 80's and so on.

[argos1873]

You are right. I wasn't clear. Though I didn't say all the blame lands with the current wonership, I really should have said that the majority of the blame lands on the current ownership.

It really is a catch 22. It's hard for the media to get fully on board with the team, when the ownership itself appears to not give a damn. If they did, they would see the small crowds and try to get together with some local corporate or retail outlets and do what they can to offer deals for people to get in at a more affordable price. Similar to the 7-11 deal they used to have. Or the Dominion deal in the 90's, A&P and Scotiabank boosters in the 80's and so on.

Agreed, the only thing I do worry about is that if the next ownership comes in and markets and promotes the hell out of the team, and the fans still don't respond. Then that would give the hating media even more fodder to play with. But then, my fear wouldn't just be that the media will continue to ignore and belittle the team when not ignoring them, but that would probably spell the end of the Argos in this town. Now I hardly think that that was Braley's modus operandi for not marketing the team, I just think he didn't want to spend a dime more than needed to keep the team afloat on his watch, but if he actually did market the team, and the scenario I fear above played out, Tannenbell wouldn't be stepping up next year, and we would probably be without the Argos at the end of next season. Now I actually don't believe that scenario would have played out, but Tannenbell better make sure they market the team in such away that gets near instant results. The outcome of a huge marketing push without results will have very negative effects in the form of even more media backlash, in the form of "I told you so", from the likes of Bobcat McClown. Again I'm very optimistic of what the new owners will accomplish, I'm thinking of it from the dark side.

[Argo57]

Agreed, the only thing I do worry about is that if the next ownership comes in and markets and promotes the hell out of the team, and the fans still don't respond. Then that would give the hating media even more fodder to play with. But then, my fear wouldn't just be that the media will continue to ignore and belittle the team when not ignoring them, but that would probably spell the end of the Argos in this town. Now I hardly think that that was Braley's modus operandi for not marketing the team, I just think he didn't want to spend a dime more than needed to keep the team afloat on his watch, but if he actually did market the team, and the scenario I fear above played out, Tannenbell wouldn't be stepping up next year, and we would probably be without the Argos at the end of next season. Now I actually don't believe that scenario would have played out, but Tannenbell better make sure they market the team in such away that gets near instant results. The outcome of a huge marketing push without results will have very negative effects in the form of even more media backlash, in the form of "I told you so", from the likes of Bobcat McClown. Again I'm very optimistic of what the new owners will accomplish, I'm thinking of it from the dark side.

I think the new ownership can turn this franchise around but it won't be easy.
The Argonauts have a long and storied history in Toronto and it is almost criminal that it has got to this point.
30 years of mostly shitty ownership with no marketing savvy and here we sit but moving forward their is finally hope!!
New more suitable venue and location IMO and ownership group with a lot of marketing and financial clout will help to say the least.
Let's get back to the won't be easy part, 30+ years of poor to zero marketing and lost generations of fans to other Toronto teams and the NFL will present a challenge.
The hope is that this ownership group is committed to this project long term as this brand rebuild may take time to take hold for long term and sustainable success my guess is they are, at least there is hope, think of where we were only a few short months ago.

[argos1873]

I think the new ownership can turn this franchise around but it won't be easy.
The Argonauts have a long and storied history in Toronto and it is almost criminal that it has got to this point.
30 years of mostly shitty ownership with no marketing savvy and here we sit but moving forward their is finally hope!!
New more suitable venue and location IMO and ownership group with a lot of marketing and financial clout will help to say the least.
Let's get back to the won't be easy part, 30+ years of poor to zero marketing and lost generations of fans to other Toronto teams and the NFL will present a challenge.
The hope is that this ownership group is committed to this project long term as this brand rebuild may take time to take hold for long term and sustainable success my guess is they are, at least there is hope, think of where we were only a few short months ago.

Let's see what January 1st brings. I'm optimistic. I'm also optimistic about BMO field. I was at the Ex today and did a walk around of the facility as it was my first time down there since the original reno. It would be awesome to have an Argos game down there during the CNE. I just hope they are able to Argo it up a bit, as its WAAAY too TFC right now, but that's completely understandable under the current situation. As I said, I'm very optimistic, but as a fan for 33 years, I'm used to having my optimism dashed in more than one form when it comes to the Argos, so my optimism is reserved. My fear is, that if this isn't played out in the correct way somehow, we lose the Argos. Its not a big fear, but its there in the back of my mind. Of course the opposite thing could be said about my optimism being dashed so often, that the death knells have rang so often about the Argos and the CFL in the last 30 plus years, and they have survived them all. But even if the Argos will survive any future near death experiences, I just won't those things to go away from now on. I just want the Argos to be a stable team, so we can just concentrate mostly on the football side of things.

[argotom]

$20 says his report is based on reading it here.

What do you have against Frank?
I find his stories with team and player evaluations with excellent coverage bang on.

[AngeloV]

What do you have against Frank?
I find his stories with team and player evaluations with excellent coverage bang on.

I think you are jaded by the fact that he has a lot of coverage on the team. Quantity should not be confused for quality.

I think the Sun is smart by putting arguably there worst writer on the Argos beat. This makes some Argos fans happy that there is a lot of coverage, but at the same time it keeps their best writers writing on what the deem to be more important.

[Jon Gonzo]

What do you have against Frank?
I find his stories with team and player evaluations with excellent coverage bang on.

Agreed. One of the few Toronto writers who actually attends. Lets not scare the last one or two away for heavens sake.

[AngeloV]

Agreed. One of the few Toronto writers who actually attends. Lets not scare the last one or two away for heavens sake.

And we've been through this before. Attending isn't his choice. It's his assignment. Giving him credit for showing up to work? Wow.

I think people should remember that he is not a columnist that can write on pretty much any subject they choose. He's simply a beat writer, and not a very good one at that.

[paulwoods13]

Agreed. One of the few Toronto writers who actually attends. Lets not scare the last one or two away for heavens sake.

Trust me, a few mild rebukes on a forum frequented by a few dozen people will not "scare away" any journalistic organization.

[argotom]

And we've been through this before. Attending isn't his choice. It's his assignment. Giving him credit for showing up to work? Wow.

I think people should remember that he is not a columnist that can write on pretty much any subject they choose. He's simply a beat writer, and not a very good one at that.


I repeat what is wrong with Frank?
His reporting is unlike we have for the Crap Jays and Leafs where the writers are afraid to tell the truth.
I find him factual and frankly refreshing as holding no punches.

[AngeloV]

I repeat what is wrong with Frank?
His reporting is unlike we have for the Crap Jays and Leafs where the writers are afraid to tell the truth.
I find him factual and frankly refreshing as holding no punches.

For starters, he seems to re-use cliches over and over again. His ever famous: In the land of 3 down football, which is a marathon rather than a sprint doesn't really begin until Labour Day...or something towards that effeft. He uses the same damn line every year. Sorry, but that is not good writing. Players and coaches use cliches as a way to not really say anything. Writers are not supposed to.

Anyway I know there is no convincing you, so why even bother?

[argolio]

I repeat what is wrong with Frank?
His reporting is unlike we have for the Crap Jays and Leafs where the writers are afraid to tell the truth.
I find him factual and frankly refreshing as holding no punches.Don't know about the Jays, but the idea that the Leafs got treated with kid gloves by the media this past season is amusing. What "truth" are the media hiding?

As for Frank, I had no opinion of him until I saw him in action at camp the last few years. Listening to him ask questions in a scrum after practice is a cringe-worthy experience. He does write well compared to Sun hacks like Joe Warmington and Mike Zeisberger (or maybe he has a really good editor), but Frank's general football knowledge is clearly limited.

[argonaut11xx]

For starters, he seems to re-use cliches over and over again. His ever famous: In the land of 3 down football, which is a marathon rather than a sprint doesn't really begin until Labour Day...or something towards that effeft. He uses the same damn line every year. Sorry, but that is not good writing. Players and coaches use cliches as a way to not really say anything. Writers are not supposed to.

Anyway I know there is no convincing you, so why even bother?

AV, and Argotom are both correct, but IMO looking at Frank Z from different directions.
FZ covers the Argo's from a "junior" perspective, meaning his stories can appeal to the casual fan. AV knows his football, and is a more rabid fan with in depth football knowledge, so for AV, reading FZ is like reading a colouring book.
Whereas some who casually follow the team, FZ is feeding them what they want and need on a regular basis.

[Argo]

Trust me, a few mild rebukes on a forum frequented by a few dozen people will not "scare away" any journalistic organization.

And it won't scare away Sun Media either.

[argotom]

There is no way anyone here should be slagging a Sun beat writer especially since this paper is the only daily really covering the team and league in a huge professional basis.

[argolio]

There is no way anyone here should be slagging a Sun beat writer especially since this paper is the only daily really covering the team and league in a huge professional basis.Just because the Sun has more coverage doesn't mean they deserve a pass. Sorry if it offends you, but Frank is not my definition of a pro.

[AngeloV]

There is no way anyone here should be slagging a Sun beat writer especially since this paper is the only daily really covering the team and league in a huge professional basis.

So we shouldn't be slagging anything to do with the Sun? Pretty sure I've seen you go off on Steve Simmons. Or are you only on board when it caters to what YOU like?

[argonaut11xx]

So we shouldn't be slagging anything to do with the Sun? Pretty sure I've seen you go off on Steve Simmons. Or are you only on board when it caters to what YOU like?

Steve Simmons is an idiot, but an entertaining idiot. In fact i think i saw him on yonge st having a hotdog with Phil Kessel the other day.

[argotom]

So we shouldn't be slagging anything to do with the Sun? Pretty sure I've seen you go off on Steve Simmons. Or are you only on board when it caters to what YOU like?


I am talking about sports writers, Simmons is an idiot, but he is a columnist.

[Jon Gonzo]

And we've been through this before. Attending isn't his choice. It's his assignment. Giving him credit for showing up to work? Wow.

I think people should remember that he is not a columnist that can write on pretty much any subject they choose. He's simply a beat writer, and not a very good one at that.

Like or dislike whom you choose. This is a comment board, so I'll....comment. Personally, I find it odd and hyper critical of some Argo fans who pick on a poor, little beat reporter who is, as you say 'is just doing his job.'

I mean, aren't there better targets in the World?

[Argocister]

?..........
I mean, aren't there better targets in the World?

Let me fix that for you ...... ".....aren't there better targets in the world .... Of Argos? "

Naw ..... He's a good target.

[AngeloV]

Like or dislike whom you choose. This is a comment board, so I'll....comment. Personally, I find it odd and hyper critical of some Argo fans who pick on a poor, little beat reporter who is, as you say 'is just doing his job.'

I mean, aren't there better targets in the World?

And I never told you or anyone else not to comment. As I choose to comment that I find his writing to be brutal. My comment was based on the fact that some think we should like him because he's covering the Argos. Trust me, I'm sure he'd prefer to cover the Leafs, Raptors or Jays, but the paper probably doesn't feel he's good enough to cover one of their "major league" teams on a full time basis.

Frankly, I look at it differently. I, personally am insulted that the Sun send arguably their worst writer to be the beat reporter for the Argos.

Having said all that, maybe one of the mods would be kind enough to move all this FZ banter into the local coverage (or lack thereof) thread. This all has nothing to do with Cory Greenwood, unless of course we feel his injury is being overlooked by the media.

[Wobbler]

Good idea.

[gilthethrill]

I noticed in the Saturday edition of the Star the write up on the Argos - Cats game was on page 6.

[AngeloV]

I noticed in the Saturday edition of the Star the write up on the Argos - Cats game was on page 6.

Yeah, Blue Jay mania is running wild.

[gilthethrill]

Yeah, Blue Jay mania is running wild.

Uh huh....has been 22 years already?????

[Neely2005]

For starters, he seems to re-use cliches over and over again. His ever famous: In the land of 3 down football, which is a marathon rather than a sprint doesn't really begin until Labour Day...or something towards that effeft. He uses the same damn line every year. Sorry, but that is not good writing. Players and coaches use cliches as a way to not really say anything. Writers are not supposed to.

Anyway I know there is no convincing you, so why even bother?

Couldn't the same be said about you and your opinion of Frank?

[1argoholic]

Frank's a good guy in my opinion and he enjoys Argo ball. At least he used to and how approachable CFL players are. Why complain about someone actually covering the team. I just can't get over how he used to take transit from TO to Erindale because he didn't drive. That's a guy who cares. To each his own, you can't like everyone.

[AngeloV]

For the last time...I'm not complaining about anyone actually covering the team. I am complaining about the competency of the guy that covers the team. I personally like when Mike Ganter covers the team, but I guess since Frank doesn't drive, Ganter gets the Ti-Cats beat rather than the Argos beat. Especially confusing to me since the Cats aren't even in Toronto.


Couldn't the same be said about you and your opinion of Frank?

Sure. I'll give you that. Come back at me next time I quote myself.

[1argoholic]

Hey Angelo add Frank onto your F*&#ROGERS signature. hahaha.

[Neely2005]

For the last time...I'm not complaining about anyone actually covering the team. I am complaining about the competency of the guy that covers the team. I personally like when Mike Ganter covers the team, but I guess since Frank doesn't drive, Ganter gets the Ti-Cats beat rather than the Argos beat. Especially confusing to me since the Cats aren't even in Toronto.



Sure. I'll give you that. Come back at me next time I quote myself.

What's your issue with people quoting themselves?

I've been posting on message boards for 20+ years and you're the first person that I've ever seen complain about it. People do it to provide context and background and to expand on thoughts.

[argotom]

What's your issue with people quoting themselves?

I've been posting on message boards for 20+ years and you're the first person that I've ever seen complain about it. People do it to provide context and background and to expand on thoughts.


The guy complains about everything, it's no longer an opinion because unless it's his everyone to the contrary is wrong.

[AngeloV]

What's your issue with people quoting themselves?

I've been posting on message boards for 20+ years and you're the first person that I've ever seen complain about it. People do it to provide context and background and to expand on thoughts.

Nothing I guess. Maybe it's just me.


The guy complains about everything, it's no longer an opinion because unless it's his everyone to the contrary is wrong.

Not true. I don't always agree with Ravi, PW13, Wobbler, SnowRogue, Argo57 just to name a few. But I have respect for the way that they present their points of view. They don't contradict themselves over and over again.

[Gill The Thrill]

Nothing I guess. Maybe it's just me.



Not true. I don't always agree with Ravi, PW13, Wobbler, SnowRogue, Argo57 just to name a few. But I have respect for the way that they present their points of view. They don't contradict themselves over and over again.Hey...you forget me and I'm offended as we often disagree. :DI think you're getting to worked up over FZ...Like it or not, he provides some form of coverage.

[AngeloV]

Hey...you forget me and I'm offended as we often disagree. :DI think you're getting to worked up over FZ...Like it or not, he provides some form of coverage.

I have no problem with you Gill. We do disagree a lot, but at least you keep with your opinions and don't waffle from game to game.

[1argoholic]

Hey F*&# it all!!! haha. Not sure my posts come across funny to others but I have fun posting and reading posts on here.

Just post, don't think too much, just post. It's sports!! It's not my oldest buddy losing his 48 year old sister to cancer the other day. That's serious.

If Angelo isn't big on Frank The Tank then so be it. I hate many things and most people. haha

[AngeloV]

Hey F*&# it all!!! haha. Not sure my posts come across funny to others but I have fun posting and reading posts on here.

Just post, don't think too much, just post. It's sports!! It's not my oldest buddy losing his 48 year old sister to cancer the other day. That's serious.

If Angelo isn't big on Frank The Tank then so be it. I hate many things and most people. haha

Never have a problem with you. You are definitely one of my favourites on the site.

[1argoholic]

Thanks! Not to anyone else though. haha.

[Neely2005]

Nothing I guess. Maybe it's just me.

Okay thanks, was just curious as I hadn't heard of that bothering anyone before.

[R.J]

I don't mind Frank, I actually prefer him over Simmons, although I can understand Angelo's point. Frank knows very little about the game of football and his writing style isn't what I'd called top end journalism, but he does provide me with the info I want or need and IMO that's the job of the media, to give us the information that we wouldn't have otherwise. Curtis Rush IMO is probably the better of the two Argos beat writers, but doesn't seem to be covering the team or league as much as prior to and during training camp, I wonder what happened there ?

[AngeloV]

I don't mind Frank, I actually prefer him over Simmons, although I can understand Angelo's point. Frank knows very little about the game of football and his writing style isn't what I'd called top end journalism, but he does provide me with the info I want or need and IMO that's the job of the media, to give us the information that we wouldn't have otherwise. Curtis Rush IMO is probably the better of the two Argos beat writers, but doesn't seem to be covering the team or league as much as prior to and during training camp, I wonder what happened there ?

The thing that really bothers me the most, and again, I may be alone on this, is that nothing that FZ writes is news to us. If you check out all the videos on the Argos site, FZ's articles are basically word for word what you see on there with a few of those horrible cliche's thrown in. There really is no need to even read his articles.

Rush may not write on the team as much, but at least he tweets actual news which comes out well before the column is up on the web. Is FZ even on twitter? If not, it shows that he isn't really passionate about his job.


Okay thanks, was just curious as I hadn't heard of that bothering anyone before.

And I'm sorry if I come up crusty some times. Admittedly, stupid things do bother me.

[Neely2005]

The thing that really bothers me the most, and again, I may be alone on this, is that nothing that FZ writes is news to us. If you check out all the videos on the Argos site, FZ's articles are basically word for word what you see on there with a few of those horrible cliche's thrown in. There really is no need to even read his articles.

Rush may not write on the team as much, but at least he tweets actual news which comes out well before the column is up on the web. Is FZ even on twitter? If not, it shows that he isn't really passionate about his job.



And I'm sorry if I come up crusty some times. Admittedly, stupid things do bother me.

No problem :-)

Sometimes it's hard to infer tone from the written word.

[R.J]

The thing that really bothers me the most, and again, I may be alone on this, is that nothing that FZ writes is news to us. If you check out all the videos on the Argos site, FZ's articles are basically word for word what you see on there with a few of those horrible cliche's thrown in. There really is no need to even read his articles.

Rush may not write on the team as much, but at least he tweets actual news which comes out well before the column is up on the web. Is FZ even on twitter? If not, it shows that he isn't really passionate about his job.
I don't watch the videos all the time, but I can't disagree with what you stated, although it is him asking most of the questions, so either way he's still providing the Argos news that I want.

As for Rush, I would have to agree, he seems to enjoy what he does and the effort is there when he writes. One of my favourite pieces of his actually had nothing to do with the Argos, but Curtis writing about the shot he had to play in the CFL at one point and how quickly the dream died then went on to become the writer he is today.

[Ballstothewall]

[QUOTE=AngeloV;68192]For the last time...I'm not complaining about anyone actually covering the team. I am complaining about the competency of the guy that covers the team. I personally like when Mike Ganter covers the team, but I guess since Frank doesn't drive, Ganter gets the Ti-Cats beat rather than the Argos beat. Especially confusing to me since the Cats aren't even in Toronto.

I liked Ganter too, but then he writes the crap today about the ex Tigercat DB who started for the Saints on Sunday and got 4 flags. Writes this ain't the CFL. Cat's allstar DB gets 4 flags. Just more banter for the CFL

[Scooter McCray]

Thanks for posting. I really need to look for more CFL podcasts. Some sound very amateurish, but this one is very good.
We should not have to hunt at all. One half of the Argo ownership group Bell should have Argo talk every day on TSN 1050. Well hopefully next year. I don't know what they are waiting for though. They don't have to be the legal owners to discuss Argo football on their radio station. Looking forward to All Access tonight.

[AngeloV]

We should not have to hunt at all. One half of the Argo ownership group Bell should have Argo talk every day on TSN 1050. Well hopefully next year. I don't know what they are waiting for though. They don't have to be the legal owners to discuss Argo football on their radio station. Looking forward to All Access tonight.

Yes they should.

I know Mike Richards a couple of weeks back mentioned that every time he talks CFL people complain. It really is a chicken and egg scenario here. Do people not talk CFL because the stations ignore it? Or do the stations ignore it because people don't talk it?

In any event, they really need to take advantage of their platform and promote, promote, promote. I have said in the past that it should be mandated that every 3 or 4 hour radio show should have at least 1 Argos segment (15 minutes) during the season. Right now, only Hogie is reaching that quota.

[R.J]

In any event, they really need to take advantage of their platform and promote, promote, promote. I have said in the past that it should be mandated that every 3 or 4 hour radio show should have at least 1 Argos segment (15 minutes) during the season. Right now, only Hogie is reaching that quota.
Where's the bloody like button lol.

[gilthethrill]

Yes they should.

I know Mike Richards a couple of weeks back mentioned that every time he talks CFL people complain. It really is a chicken and egg scenario here. Do people not talk CFL because the stations ignore it? Or do the stations ignore it because people don't talk it?

In any event, they really need to take advantage of their platform and promote, promote, promote. I have said in the past that it should be mandated that every 3 or 4 hour radio show should have at least 1 Argos segment (15 minutes) during the season. Right now, only Hogie is reaching that quota.

Does the TSN Hamilton station not have Ticats Lunch each day? I would love for TSN 1050 to be able to do that...even if just for the summer months.

[Scooter McCray]

Yes they should.

I know Mike Richards a couple of weeks back mentioned that every time he talks CFL people complain. It really is a chicken and egg scenario here. Do people not talk CFL because the stations ignore it? Or do the stations ignore it because people don't talk it?

In any event, they really need to take advantage of their platform and promote, promote, promote. I have said in the past that it should be mandated that every 3 or 4 hour radio show should have at least 1 Argos segment (15 minutes) during the season. Right now, only Hogie is reaching that quota.

Who are the D-Bags that complain? I get upset that they don't talk Argos but I understand and appreciate they need to talk the other sports and teams. It is sports radio and all of it needs to be discussed. They just don't need to have Leaf breakfast, 2 hours of Leaf lunch every freaking day 365 days a year. Raptor Rage every day, BJ Barf every day and stick Argos with 1 hour per week in season only. Just implement some balance that's all.

[Neely2005]

Does the TSN Hamilton station not have Ticats Lunch each day? I would love for TSN 1050 to be able to do that...even if just for the summer months.

TSN1050 has Football Fridays, but they don't start until the NFL season starts and they barely talk CFL or Argonauts.

[argos1873]

Who are the D-Bags that complain? I get upset that they don't talk Argos but I understand and appreciate they need to talk the other sports and teams. It is sports radio and all of it needs to be discussed. They just don't need to have Leaf breakfast, 2 hours of Leaf lunch every freaking day 365 days a year. Raptor Rage every day, BJ Barf every day and stick Argos with 1 hour per week in season only. Just implement some balance that's all.

Of course, what Argo fan doesn't agree with you and AngeloV? The problem is, how many overt Argo fans are there (sorry but their aren't many), and then how many closet Argo fans are there? There may be many, but if they don't speak out the radio station isn't going to cater to them. Imagine being the guy pitching that strategy in the board room. "I'm pretty sure there's lots of Argo fans out there, so lets have more Argo content."... Ok, Jenkins, show me the data."... Ummm, well, I just know they are out there, but most of them just don't show it."... "Ok Jenkins, you're fired. Next!?"

[Neely2005]

Of course, what Argo fan doesn't agree with you and AngeloV? The problem is, how many overt Argo fans are there (sorry but their aren't many), and then how many closet Argo fans are there? There may be many, but if they don't speak out the radio station isn't going to cater to them. Imagine being the guy pitching that strategy in the board room. "I'm pretty sure there's lots of Argo fans out there, so lets have more Argo content."... Ok, Jenkins, show me the data."... Ummm, well, I just know they are out there, but most of them just don't show it."... "Ok Jenkins, you're fired. Next!?"

Wouldn't the TV Ratings be the data?

[argos1873]

Wouldn't the TV Ratings be the data?

Nope. TV ratings don't = Radio ratings. They would be a subset of data, but that alone would still get Jenkins fired.

[Gill The Thrill]

Of course, what Argo fan doesn't agree with you and AngeloV? The problem is, how many overt Argo fans are there (sorry but their aren't many), and then how many closet Argo fans are there? There may be many, but if they don't speak out the radio station isn't going to cater to them. Imagine being the guy pitching that strategy in the board room. "I'm pretty sure there's lots of Argo fans out there, so lets have more Argo content."... Ok, Jenkins, show me the data."... Ummm, well, I just know they are out there, but most of them just don't show it."... "Ok Jenkins, you're fired. Next!?"

Total BS. Is it the horse before the cart or vice-versa. You're telling me there is more Arizona Cardinals fans or Jacksonville Jaguar fans in the GTA than Argo fans, yet both sports radio stations fawn all over their american radio correspondents on the air to discuss season previews about every NFL team nonetheless. The NFL season previews are even more covered than the NHL season preview on the radio and there are 7 based Canadian teams in the NHL. As a matter of fact, it's not uncommon to just get previews of the Canadian based NHL teams on TV and Radio from both Sportsnet, and TSN. Using that same standard would get you no NFL team previews covered, and the NHL is the most popular sport and league by far in Canada, even in the GTA and Southern Ontario. So you can talk all you want about catering to fans, it's less about the popularity of a sport and more about placating the gamblers that cling on to every word about every NFL team.

[gilthethrill]

Nope. TV ratings don't = Radio ratings. They would be a subset of data, but that alone would still get Jenkins fired.

First off I hope Jenkins lands on his feet. He has a family to support.

[R.J]

Nope. TV ratings don't = Radio ratings. They would be a subset of data, but that alone would still get Jenkins fired.
Radio ratings aren't too bad for the Argonauts, well the games at least. It should be mentioned that the the early days of TSN 1050, when they were more CFL heavy the overall ratings weren't very good, within the last year or two, 1050 ratings have come close to 590, although they took a big tumble from June to August this year.

[ArgoRavi]

The coverage in Monday's papers was much, much better. The Star had no less than three articles on the game from three different writers including newcomer Chris O'Leary (who most recently covered the Esks for the Edmonton Journal), Curtis Rush and columnist Bruce Arthur. The Sun had coverage from Frank Zicarelli and columnist Steve Simmons. I hope that this is a sign of things to come next year. It will be particularly interesting to see how the Star uses O'Leary.

[Gill The Thrill]

I was appalled listening to radio sportscasts of Toronto radio stations this morning.

They reported on the Blue Jays, which they should as it's an MLB team that is in the thick of a pennant race heading down the home stretch of the baseball season.

They then talked about the Rogers Cup tennis events taking place in Montreal and Toronto...fair enough, as they are the biggest Tennis events that happen yearly in the country.

Then they went on to talk about the PGA championship in the states...If the women's event is happening while the men's is then there is local flavour with Brooke Henderson. I don't know as I'm not the biggest golf fan. I wonder what the ratings are like..

...But then, that's it....no mention of the previous day's Canadian Football League results, not even a blurb of who was playing or the scores which would have taken 5 seconds at the least.

It was practically the same sportscast on the FAN 590, 680 News and most surprisingly and disappointingly TSN 1050, and they are the sports station that carries the rights to the CFL and whose parent company even owns the Argos.....WTF is going on here? How could they not even give you the scores of 2 CFL games from Friday night? Is it really too much to ask for.

In the CFL, BC beat Calgary 44-41, and Montreal defeated Saskatchewan 41-3....or if time was in such a premium they could have just said..."winners in the CFL yesterday were Montreal and Calgary"...not even that. Are golf and tennis ratings actually higher than the ratings of all CFL games.

Geoffrey Orridge and his marketing team better get off their asses and start ensuring that the CFL gets covered in Toronto. It's not enough to just depend on Hoagie and Mike Richards to talk about the Argo game and what the attendance for the game and the tailgate will be for 15 minutes on TSN radio during the day of the game while they spend the rest of the time discussing the "what ifs" of the Blue Jay pitching staff (boring hypotheticals). It's not meant as a shot at Hoagie and Richards, at least they bring up the Argos, but it's as if the suits at TSN time them and make sure they just give enough info to say that they've talked about the game. The rest of the league news is never talked about unless it's a pro-line tip. This is why I feel forced to listen to 1150 Hamilton for any CFL news from Marsh and Milton, and it's mostly from a Ticat perspective which is understandable.

[AngeloV]

Can we just copy and paste all anti CFL media rants going forward? Why do we need yet another thread on this.?

[1argoholic]

The team needs to be heard of and seen and we're getting piss all coverage. I don't understand it. Living where we do I like to see as much as I can about my team. Plus I'm sick of all the wagon jumpers and their Jays hats. The Petes store sells Jays crap for Petes sake. I told the man who runs the store that I have no use for them and why.

[Double Dare]

The Petes store sells Jays crap for Petes sake. $$$$$$$$

[Gill The Thrill]

Can we just copy and paste all anti CFL media rants going forward? Why do we need yet another thread on this.?

Because this is specific about media coverage and actually provides factual evidence to prove it. It's not just a rant. What are Golf and Tennis ratings compared to the CFL and if they are not as high, then why the hell should it get more coverage. That's the point.

On the positive side, CTV Toronto had a story about the Argos preparation for today's game on their late night sportscast with Joe Tilley. It was 1:00 minute story on Logan Kilgore starting. Another 10 seconds was added to the story talking about Zach Collaros still being out for another game for the team down the road in Hamilton. This is well appreciated and I will take notice and mention it.

I recommend others to do the same, just to let those in charge of lining up news stories, whether on TV, radio or newspaper that we are watching. Yes, there is the internet, but many casual fans won't look for CFL news at the internet unless their reminded of the leagues' existence in the traditional mediums...so I believe it matters and we should let everybody know that it matters.

[Gill The Thrill]

On yesterday's late night news....CTV Toronto had a news story about Blue Jays attendance being the third highest in the major leagues with the team starting the day in first place. During the sportscast, they actually led with the Argo victory in Ottawa with a thorough 1 minute and 46 second highlight package including a post-game interview with Logan Kilgore. They then put a 50 second highlight package of TFC and their 3-0 win over Columbus, so the Argo highlights were actually twice as long. They then had thorough highlights of the Jays game from earlier in the afternoon, and then followed it up the rest of MLB highlights, Rogers Open Tennis and Golf, and then even concluded with Intercounty Baseball League Toronto Maple Leafs highlights. That was one of the better local sportscasts, and reminded of old CFTO sportscasts before all sports stations were the norm.

CP24 led their sportscast during their half-hour newscast with the Toronto Blue Jays, followed by the Argonauts victory higlights which lasted about 30 seconds, and then TFC game highlights which although was the 3rd sports story following the Blue Jays and Argos had a longer highlight pack than the Argos at 50 seconds...they followed up with Tennis, and Golf.

As for radio, I only heard AM640 news, weather and sports update at the top of the hour earlier this morning and their lead sports story was the Blue Jays, followed by Rogers Cup tennis winners, TFC's game score, and then concluded in mentioning the Argo win in Ottawa with the score.

[KCargosfan]

How was the newspaper coverage of last night's game today?

[Will]

Roger Lajoie discussed the victory with Justin Dunk today on the FAN 590. The interview was ~10 minutes and they discussed Kilgore's performance, the defence and a bit about Ottawa moving forward as they've dropped two straight. Not much concentration on off-field issues which I'd perceive to be Rogers' focus on anything that they'd put out there.

Jim Barker was also on the FAN 590 with Andrew Walker last week, and Walker seemed to press Barker on the off-field stuff even though Barker's department is personnel. He kept trying to press the issue always adding the disclaimer "I'm a big CFL fan but...."

[Gill The Thrill]

How was the newspaper coverage of last night's game today?
Getting the newspaper the day after the game used to be a staple for me, but since the internet, I like most have really cut down on buying newspapers. Usually after a game, it was at least a page, but I would be curious how deep in the sports section it would be. The Toronto Sun was much better than the Toronto Star from what I remember.

Roger Lajoie discussed the victory with Justin Dunk today on the FAN 590. The interview was ~10 minutes and they discussed Kilgore's performance, the defence and a bit about Ottawa moving forward as they've dropped two straight. Not much concentration on off-field issues which I'd perceive to be Rogers' focus on anything that they'd put out there.

Jim Barker was also on the FAN 590 with Andrew Walker last week, and Walker seemed to press Barker on the off-field stuff even though Barker's department is personnel. He kept trying to press the issue always adding the disclaimer "I'm a big CFL fan but...."Heard the tail end of the Lajoie interview with Justin Dunk, Sportsnet.ca CFL insider. Didn't hear Andrew Walker, but the disclaimer, "I'm a big CFL fan, but.." gets real tired when they refuse to talk about the teams and the players,and just predict what the attendance may be. To be fair, the Ottawa home game was noticeably low, but even Sportsnet has talked more positively about the CFL this year, now that the Argos have left Skydome. I notice some Rogers ads...I think...on CFL telecasts which was not happening a couple of years ago, and thankfully plenty of Vehicle brand commercials like Nissan, and GMC Truck.

The real test is how much coverage the Argos and the CFL get in the stretch drive of the MLB pennant race, of which the Jays will be in. With the Argos not having to leave town like last year, I hope it won't be as ridiculously one-sided. The Jays coverage was way over the top, and actually turned me off them as the bandwagon was filling.

[R.J]

How exactly is this thread different than these ?

http://www.argofans.com/showthread.php?224-Local-Coverage-(or-the-utter-lack-thereof)
http://www.argofans.com/showthread.php?4026-Shame-on-CTV-TSN

[ArgoGabe22]

Chris O'Leary, who just recently moved from Edmonton, just lost his job at the Star after only 10 months. I guess we can expect more Curtis Rush guest appearances or less Argos coverage?

[R.J]

I haven't heard any "Argos All Access" this season either. Sucks that it seems we're getting less coverage this season.

[gilthethrill]

I haven't heard any "Argos All Access" this season either. Sucks that it seems we're getting less coverage this season.

I thought I read AAA was canceled. So there is no radio show on TSN 1050 for the city's products football team? Too bad as they do a great job with pre and post games shows.

[ArgoRavi]

Chris O'Leary, who just recently moved from Edmonton, just lost his job at the Star after only 10 months. I guess we can expect more Curtis Rush guest appearances or less Argos coverage?

I read that 50+ people were losing their jobs at the Star. I didn't realize that O'Leary was one of them. That really sucks for him personally most importantly but I also fear that it will result in even less coverage of the Argos.

[Shipyard]

I read that 50+ people were losing their jobs at the Star. I didn't realize that O'Leary was one of them. That really sucks for him personally most importantly but I also fear that it will result in even less coverage of the Argos.

Just wait to next year when postmedia goes bankrupt. everyone is going to be fired. Only papers left in 3 yrs will be the free metro papers. All the rest of these great talented people will have to find work in TV, radio, or online, probably a combination of the two to make a full time job.

The star should use edwards, milton and 3downnation team on the argos beat as well since they OWN all that content. I assume there are union uses to doing so, since it makes sooooo much sense.

[argotom]

The latest available ratings apparently show Postmedia ahead of The Star in the city.
If anyone goes hopefully the left leaning anti CFL/Argos Star will be first.

[Neely2005]

Just wait to next year when postmedia goes bankrupt. everyone is going to be fired. Only papers left in 3 yrs will be the free metro papers. All the rest of these great talented people will have to find work in TV, radio, or online, probably a combination of the two to make a full time job.

The star should use edwards, milton and 3downnation team on the argos beat as well since they OWN all that content. I assume there are union uses to doing so, since it makes sooooo much sense.

Isn't Torstar in a worse financial position than Postmedia?

[mint83]

Does TSN 1050 even know there is a game on this Friday? This is a tired subject but it makes a turnaround of the franchise difficult without some media discussing the product. The CFL is TSN's best property and they treat it like crap in Toronto. Naylor talks about how he built his career on the CFL and he gives it minimal exposure on his show. Such a hypocrite.

[AngeloV]

Does TSN 1050 even know there is a game on this Friday? This is a tired subject but it makes a turnaround of the franchise difficult without some media discussing the product. The CFL is TSN's best property and they treat it like crap in Toronto. Naylor talks about how he built his career on the CFL and he gives it minimal exposure on his show. Such a hypocrite.

I here commercials all day long promoting the game on the station. Hogie had an a good segment with Logan Kilgore filling in for Richards today as well. They are also promoting that both the 1-4 and 4-7 shows will be broadcast live from BMO field on Friday. Could there be more? Of course there can, but it's considerably more than you are suggesting.

[Shipyard]

Isn't Torstar in a worse financial position than Postmedia?

no Postmedia is going the a debt restructuring right now, where the debt holders are taking control of the company

[PullTogether73]

Does TSN 1050 even know there is a game on this Friday?

There's a game this Friday?
What?!
:shhhh:

[mint83]

I here commercials all day long promoting the game on the station. Hogie had an a good segment with Logan Kilgore filling in for Richards today as well. They are also promoting that both the 1-4 and 4-7 shows will be broadcast live from BMO field on Friday. Could there be more? Of course there can, but it's considerably more than you are suggesting.

I never even thought of commercials. I only check out podcasts. Mainly what I think are the most popular shows; early morning and drive time.

Their shows at BMO are great but it would be better if there was more of a buzz before game day.
Just one regular segment per week would be nice. Get an entertaining "insider" type. It might spark some interest in listeners who are not regular CFL followers. I'm with the camp who believe player interviews tend to be boring.

The FAN in Calgary has a segment with Arash Madani as the insider. I hate to say it but he actually does a pretty good job.

[Gill The Thrill]

The latest available ratings apparently show Postmedia ahead of The Star in the city.
If anyone goes hopefully the left leaning anti CFL/Argos Star will be first.

If that's true, then that's the best news I've heard from this city in a long while. I concur with your opinion about the Star and would not shed a tear at all. It's good to see people may be waking up to all the BS that newspaper been spreading for years in all their departments including sports.

[Gill The Thrill]

I here commercials all day long promoting the game on the station. Hogie had an a good segment with Logan Kilgore filling in for Richards today as well. They are also promoting that both the 1-4 and 4-7 shows will be broadcast live from BMO field on Friday. Could there be more? Of course there can, but it's considerably more than you are suggesting.

Thanks, it'll give me a good reason to tune in on Friday, but I don't listen to them regularly because they do a shite job covering not just the Argos, but the CFL in general. Hope they don't spend the whole time at BMO talking about Bautista's ankle. ....can't wait for that guy to leave town...he wants 30 million a year for a .225 avg at his age...friggin laughable.

[R.J]

The Star's Argo coverage has been better the last couple of years, so I think it's a little unfair to still say they're Anti Argos.

[argolio]

The Star's Argo coverage has been better the last couple of years, so I think it's a little unfair to still say they're Anti Argos.That's beside the point. What matters is the opportunity to cheer for people to lose their jobs.

[PullTogether73]

That's beside the point. What matters is the opportunity to cheer for people to lose their jobs.

Is that a serious statement, or supposedly a joke?
Sad if it is the former.

[AngeloV]

I never even thought of commercials. I only check out podcasts. Mainly what I think are the most popular shows; early morning and drive time.

Their shows at BMO are great but it would be better if there was more of a buzz before game day.
Just one regular segment per week would be nice. Get an entertaining "insider" type. It might spark some interest in listeners who are not regular CFL followers. I'm with the camp who believe player interviews tend to be boring.

The FAN in Calgary has a segment with Arash Madani as the insider. I hate to say it but he actually does a pretty good job.

Don't disagree. I've always said that IMO a reasonable representation would be 1 Argo segment on every 3-4 hour show. At least during the season. Unfortunately, and Mike Richards has touched on this on air, people in this market fire up the complaints when there are too many CFL segments. A crying shame.

[AngeloV]

Is that a serious statement, or supposedly a joke?
Sad if it is the former.

Not wanting to speak for argolio, but I took it as a sarcastic shot to Gil The Thrill openly cheering about the lost jobs at the star. Once again proving that lower case gil is the only one to be taken seriously.

[Jayahre]

The Star's Argo coverage has been better the last couple of years, so I think it's a little unfair to still say they're Anti Argos.

I just opened the Star this am, Olympic coverage, Jays and TFC but zero Argo coverage

https://www.thestar.com/sports.html

[gilthethrill]

I just opened the Star this am, Olympic coverage, Jays and TFC but zero Argo coverage

https://www.thestar.com/sports.html

Back when I started following the Argos in 1980, the Star had the likes of Wayne Parish, Rick Matsumoto, Trent Frayne and others who wrote numerous articles on the team. Seemed back then there was equal space for the Toronto sports teams. I would be surprised if we ever see that again.

[R.J]

Is that a serious statement, or supposedly a joke?
Sad if it is the former.
Pretty clear that it was a sarcastic joke.

[timlb01]

I just opened the Star this am, Olympic coverage, Jays and TFC but zero Argo coverage

https://www.thestar.com/sports.html

Exactly why I will not touch that paper or any of their online content. They are anti-CFL.

[PullTogether73]

Pretty clear that it was a sarcastic joke.

It would have been clear if a laughing emoji or something like it was attached to the statement.
There wasn't - hence my question.

[Gill The Thrill]

Not wanting to speak for argolio, but I took it as a sarcastic shot to Gil The Thrill openly cheering about the lost jobs at the star. Once again proving that lower case gil is the only one to be taken seriously.Then maybe you shouldn't speak for him. Once again you've proven to be self-righteous enough to decide who should be taken seriously or not, as if you're a beacon of righteousness on this site.

If you want to cry for a-holes at the Toronto Star, go ahead, don't let me stop you, but I was sharing a comment with another poster that I agree with about the Star. If you and some of the other bleeding hearts want to cry about my sentiments, then cry away.:), I'll laugh.

[R.J]

I here commercials all day long promoting the game on the station. Hogie had an a good segment with Logan Kilgore filling in for Richards today as well. They are also promoting that both the 1-4 and 4-7 shows will be broadcast live from BMO field on Friday. Could there be more? Of course there can, but it's considerably more than you are suggesting.
It would be nice if each 1050 programming block had at least one 15 minute segment about the Argonauts.

It would have been clear if a laughing emoji or something like it was attached to the statement.
There wasn't - hence my question.
I thought it was pretty clear. When you're around here long enough you get used to how certain posters are I guess.

[KCargosfan]

Is that a serious statement, or supposedly a joke?
Sad if it is the former.

Come on, you surely have heard of sarcasm?

[Gill The Thrill]

The Star's Argo coverage has been better the last couple of years, so I think it's a little unfair to still say they're Anti Argos.


I just opened the Star this am, Olympic coverage, Jays and TFC but zero Argo coverage
So much for improved coverage, but it's only the day before a game :(, how could you expect coverage, perhaps they'll have a generic preview of the game tomorrow from Canadian Press.


Exactly why I will not touch that paper or any of their online content. They are anti-CFL.
Amen to that, I will look at their online content the odd time, but only on private browser so I don't get any links to their advertisers. You know the old saying, it's good to keep your friends close, but your enemies even closer. The left always become victims of themselves, so I have no sympathy for them or their jobs. They push for lower educational standards, to the point of where millennials graduating from high school can't even read, or maintain an attention level higher than one that requires them to read anything more than 160 characters with text lingo and acronyms. (How could you expect them to read a newspaper) For a left-leaning paper like the Star to lose readership in a city like Toronto shows you how irrelevant they've become.

Back when I started following the Argos in 1980, the Star had the likes of Wayne Parish, Rick Matsumoto, Trent Frayne and others who wrote numerous articles on the team. Seemed back then there was equal space for the Toronto sports teams. I would be surprised if we ever see that again. That might as well be a billion years ago. As well Wayne Parrish was one of the biggest a-holes at the epicentre of starting the anti-CFL sentiment in the Toronto media once he became the head of sports at the Star in the late 80's. It's no coincidence that it was at that time that the Toronto Star cut back heavily on Argo and CFL coverage. From 2 page previews per game the day before a game to nary a mention. Turns out he was a basketball guy that left the Star to head Basbetball Canada.

[R.J]

So much for improved coverage, but it's only the day before a game :(, how could you expect coverage, perhaps they'll have a generic preview of the game tomorrow from Canadian Press.
I felt it had been better since the new editor came in at the Star - Curtis Rush as well for that matter.


On a side note - Scott Mitchell is essentially transferring from the Calgary Sun/Herald to the Toronto Sun (Post Media) to write about the Jays. CFL loses another good writer.

[ArgoGabe22]

I felt it had been better since the new editor came in at the Star - Curtis Rush as well for that matter.


On a side note - Scott Mitchell is essentially transferring from the Calgary Sun/Herald to the Toronto Sun (Post Media) to write about the Jays. CFL loses another good writer.

And as if the Jays need more coverage. How many beat writers are there now?

[R.J]

And as if the Jays need more coverage. How many beat writers are there now?
Beats me.

[Gill The Thrill]

I felt it had been better since the new editor came in at the Star - Curtis Rush as well for that matter.


On a side note - Scott Mitchell is essentially transferring from the Calgary Sun/Herald to the Toronto Sun (Post Media) to write about the Jays. CFL loses another good writer.The Calgary Stampeders are the biggest team in the Calgary market not named the "Flames", so I can't believe they wouldn't replace him. If you're talking about the best, or more experienced reporters and writers not on the CFL beat anymore, then that's nothing new. That's been going on for 2 decades.

As much as people did not like the guy, Marty York, during his days as Sports editor at the Globe and Mail, was the last guy to give the Canadian Football League major league press at a national level.

For the record, I thought Marty was great. He did a great job getting scoops, and didn't bow down and kiss up to management types. The problem today is that a guy like Marty is not tolerated in today's, "conflict of interest," sports media where the owners of the network stations or newspapers may own the team, such as is the case with Rogers owning the Blue Jays.

The Blue Jays as an organization, from players to management and executives did not like York, which factored in as a reason why he was ostracized by the Press in Toronto, as much as any supposed plagiarism accusation. That was just done for optics.

[AngeloV]

Then maybe you shouldn't speak for him. Once again you've proven to be self-righteous enough to decide who should be taken seriously or not, as if you're a beacon of righteousness on this site.

If you want to cry for a-holes at the Toronto Star, go ahead, don't let me stop you, but I was sharing a comment with another poster that I agree with about the Star. If you and some of the other bleeding hearts want to cry about my sentiments, then cry away.:), I'll laugh.

Nice to see Don Cherry writes your material. Surely something to be proud of.

[R.J]

Scott Mitchell didn't work for the CSEC (Flames, Stamps, Roughnecks, and Hitmen Ownership Group), so why would they have to replace him ?

[Gill The Thrill]

Nice to see Don Cherry rights your material. Surely something to be proud of.

I think you mean "writes," not "rights". He doesn't, but if it sounds like something he'd agree with then fine. I don't agree with all his opinions but if this were his opinion, then yes, I'd be proud.

[Gill The Thrill]

Scott Mitchell didn't work for the CSEC (Flames, Stamps, Roughnecks, and Hitmen Ownership Group), so why would they have to replace him ?No, but wouldn't the Herald or the Calgary Sun replace him by putting another writer on the CFL beat covering the Stamps.

[R.J]

No, but wouldn't the Herald or the Calgary Sun replace him by putting another writer on the CFL beat covering the Stamps.
CFL teams not named the Saskatchewan Roughriders seem to not have many beat writers.

[Will]

He (Mitchell) may be replacing Bob Elliott who recently retired?

[Shipyard]

even with converged newsrooms recently:

winnipeg has 4 sun beat/columnist freisen and penton and WFP its hamilton and billeck
hamilton has two edwards & milton
vancouver has beamish (beat) / macintyre (columnist/beat) both do sun and province -- ulrick used to be province -- moved to lions radio TSN1040 - right before the merged newsrooms

[argolio]

Is that a serious statement, or supposedly a joke?
Sad if it is the former.Sarcasm.

Cheering for regular people to lose their jobs is the epitome of no class, and the Star employs more than just journalists.

[Gill The Thrill]

Sarcasm.

Cheering for regular people to lose their jobs is the epitome of no class, and the Star employs more than just journalists.Stick to the topic for starters, oh self-righteous one, but if you're going to stay off-topic, I'll engage. As if you'd care for peoples jobs if push came to shove. If you spew out the garbage that the Star has put out for years, and harassed people and their families for having different views than you and attack all of them irrationally for personal reasons. That's having no class and you don't deserve any sympathy as far as I'm concerned.

When you're losing readership in a left-leaning cesspool that is Toronto, you know you don't know how to run a business, which shouldn't be surprising. I'm just waiting (just watch, we won't even hear about it) for the Star to lobby to the government for funding to stay afloat, as if they're some needed cultural institution. I don't believe privately run pro sports teams run to make a profit should tap into taxpayer funds, so I wouldn't want the same for the Torstar, but you could bet they'll want some favouritism from the Federal Liberals for all the years of favourable treatment and propaganda.

As for those labourers that aren't the journalists, they're the ones who've already been cut back heavily. In a healthy labour market with competition and without the policies trumpeted by the Star, they'll find work in a labour market that'll be more competitive, or they should diversify and do something else for a living. Isn't that what the Star has been spewing for years in why manufacturing and production jobs should make way for carbon taxes, and then you talk about class...you don't know what you're talking about.

You see why this thread should not have been merged. It was meant to be about specific stations and broadcasters who either discuss or don't discuss the Argos and the CFL with specific examples, not a pity party about poor newspaper guys losing their jobs. Many of the same newspaper guys who've been ringing their hands making their living out of writing about the despair of others or worse creating them, with their negative articles like they've done with the CFL for years. Sometimes you reap what you sow.

[R.J]

It should have been merged - it's the same complaints as the other threads.

[Gill The Thrill]

It should have been merged - it's the same complaints as the other threads.

Media watch was about specific examples, not theories such as Americanism or wannabeism, or begging for government decree protecting the CFL from themselves, or forcing OTA stations to broadcast the Grey Cup. Media watch thread had nothing to do with that.

[ArgoGabe22]

Steve Simmons certainly has changed his tune from a few years ago.

http://slam.canoe.com/Slam/Baseball/MLB/Toronto/2016/09/03/22664057.html

[zontar]

Simmons gave a definitive shout -out to BMO field today and encouraged people to come out.

[PullTogether73]

Steve Simmons certainly has changed his tune from a few years ago.

http://slam.canoe.com/Slam/Baseball/MLB/Toronto/2016/09/03/22664057.html

What was "foolish and dangerous" about leaving BMO Field after Wednesday's game?

I wasn't there, but I've attended all the other games and haven't had any issues.

[ArgoGabe22]

What was "foolish and dangerous" about leaving BMO Field after Wednesday's game?

I wasn't there, but I've attended all the other games and haven't had any issues.

In the East end they blocked one of the exits so the players could enter the changerooms. It got backed up and took 10 minutes to get out.

[AngeloV]

In the East end they blocked one of the exits so the players could enter the changerooms. It got backed up and took 10 minutes to get out.

Leaving the west end through the north endzone towards the Go station was really bad, until they finally decided to open the gates just to the west of the scoreboard.

[paulwoods13]

I got out from the north end (west stands) just fine. Part of the regular exit was closed because of the Ex but i didn't see any problems.

[Downtownfan]

This is a really, really positive piece from Doug Smith, from his blog at https://www.thestar.com/sports/doug_smiths_sports_blog/2016/09/silver-medal-women-s-baseball-win-flies-under-the-radar.html. I've been critical of Smith in the past when it comes to the Argos, but this certainly goes a long way to the positive side of the ledger:

"It’s obvious that things haven’t gone quite as well on the field for the Argos this season as they had hoped – yesterday’s win over Hamilton notwithstanding – but I have to report first-hand that they have made the “experience” of attending a game at BMO Field quite something.
Completely in the interest of first-hand investigation – and at the behest of long-time Argo fan Baseball Steve and a gaggle of other Ferrins and sundry very cool relatives and friends -- going to the game yesterday turned out to be one of the more excellent sporting days out in a long time.
And total credit to the Argos and whichever civic licensing boards were involved because from star to finish, it was an event.
The tailgate party is tremendous at some many levels, with families of all shapes and sizes hanging out and having fun, barbecues going, relatively inexpensive beer was plentiful if that’s your sort of thing and there was collegial atmosphere that kind of caught me by surprise.
I’ve done tailgates at Bills games and they seem a bit overwhelming, with a lot of people keeping to themselves, at least more than they were at the Argos yesterday where everyone seemed to chat with everyone else, Argo fans joked with Ticat fans with little animosity and any time you can be serenaded by the ArgoNotes as you traipse over to the park is a good finish to an afternoon.
I’m sure the atmosphere had a lot to with the late afternoon weekend start time and the exceptional weather but it was an outstanding time I would recommend to anyone, even if guzzling beer outside with your buddies isn’t your cup of tea, so to speak.
The park itself is excellent on a nice day, fine sightlines, seats right on the field and the only thing they need to do is put some kind of auxiliary scoreboard on the south end of the stadium – we sat in the northwest corner and had a hard time craning the old neck to see down and distance.
I don’t know what the attendance was – it struck me as smaller than I would have thought – but I would bet anyone who went to the game enjoyed themselves.
(Okay, maybe not the thousands of Ticat fans who made the GO Train trip home right after the game a crush of humanity, but you get my drift).
I’ve long held that outdoor football on a crisp late summer or fall afternoon in Toronto would be fun; turns out I was right.
And yeah, we’re already making plans for the Thanksgiving Day game. Some of you should, too."

[Neely2005]

^ Hopefully some of the people who complain about attendance will make it out to one of our 2 final home games too.
:-)

[Will]

It was rather jammed heading to the WB Go platform.
Ticat fans with their tails tucked between their legs no doubt.

[Stevoman]

Not really sure where to post this but I have been disappointed that the Argos website photo gallery has not been updated. On their site it hasn't been added to after week 2:http://www.argonauts.ca/photo-galleries/

From their social media, they have been posting links to photos here:https://torontoargonauts.exposure.co, but this site is missing the Edmonton game and the Labour Day Rematch and the latest Bomber game.

I know that Johany Jutras is their official photographer and she is also the photographer for the CFL (and she is doing a fantastic job) and she has also been at all of those games and so why is everything so outdated?

[ArgoGabe22]

I'll just add that the Argos twitter account has been very disappointing this season, very little fan interaction and actually never replied when I asked a question regarding transfering tickets. It used to be one the best accounts in the league or even in pro sports and made its way onto other sites with its somewhat viral content but has now become very bland. I heard management wanted to go in another direction and that no one really runs the account anymore. Twitter is pretty trendy and is a great place to have fun. I think the younger generation would relate more to a team that can have a bit a fun, be humourous but still be professional online. Having premade tweets that look to be professionally written by a PR firm is just boring.