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Wobbler
10-02-2013, 06:56 PM
It is PR expansion day in the CFL. But as of today, we only have three players on our PR; the transaction wire shows that we released Ronnell Lewis. There are one or two guys (e.g. Robinson and Bryant) that might go back on the PR when others get healthy, but three is a very short list! Either we're due for an avalanche of new guys, or this part of the team is being neglected.
doubleblue
10-03-2013, 11:41 AM
It looks like Barker is using the 1 game injured list as the PR. Better for the players salary wise, I would think.
Wobbler
10-03-2013, 02:46 PM
I'm sure we have agreements with some players that they'll stay either on the 46 or the IR, and in other cases we won't PR people for fear of other teams putting in claims, but it has always been that way.
For the record, current PR memberships: Toronto (5), Montreal (10), Hamilton (11), Winnipeg (12), Saskachewan (10), Calgary (12), Edmonton (11), B.C. (8)
This isn't a serious problem, but it would be nice to know that we have players in the pipeline.
argotom
10-03-2013, 10:17 PM
All you have to do with the Argos and frankly any other team is to see how many players are in civvies wearing the team t-shirt on the sidelines during a game. Many times I can count into the double digits.
Wobbler
10-03-2013, 10:41 PM
Point taken, AT. The CFL is a shenanigans-filled league and I'm sure we have unofficial "developmental" players who mysteriously hang around despite not appearing on the payroll. That stuff is hard to quantify, but it is easy to count PR roster lists. Do you have an explanation for why we've left seven slots open?
argotom
10-03-2013, 10:48 PM
Point taken, AT. The CFL is a shenanigans-filled league and I'm sure we have unofficial "developmental" players who mysteriously hang around despite not appearing on the payroll. That stuff is hard to quantify, but it is easy to count PR roster lists. Do you have an explanation for why we've left seven slots open? Exactly. That's why we have to increase the roster to 50 players and stop with the current nonsense of 46 active with 42 playing. What the heck does that mean? Why can't all 46 play? My idea is increase to 50 and try to police the remaining under cover stuff.
Wobbler
10-03-2013, 10:55 PM
Hmm. You didn't actually answer my question...
argotom
10-04-2013, 03:33 PM
Hmm. You didn't actually answer my question... If we have a bigger roster per my numbers, the current abuse can be reduced considerably.
AngeloV
10-04-2013, 03:41 PM
If we have a bigger roster per my numbers, the current abuse can be reduced considerably.
You are the first on here to always complain about the NFL being a boring league. If you increase the CFL roster size to 50, it would mean that there would be specialists for almost every single play in the playbook based on circumstances (as is the case in the NFL), and reduce the amount of every play players. Don't you think that can be detrimental to the entertainment value of the CFL?
There are many that would argue the CFL roster as is stands now is too big.
paulwoods13
10-04-2013, 03:56 PM
There are many that would argue the CFL roster as is stands now is too big.
I am one of them -- have felt that way for several seasons.
The "abuse" of the practice roster rules (if such abuse actually exists) is not nearly a big enough problem to necessitate increasing roster sizes.
argotom
10-04-2013, 04:19 PM
You are the first on here to always complain about the NFL being a boring league. If you increase the CFL roster size to 50, it would mean that there would be specialists for almost every single play in the playbook based on circumstances (as is the case in the NFL), and reduce the amount of every play players. Don't you think that can be detrimental to the entertainment value of the CFL?
There are many that would argue the CFL roster as is stands now is too big. Not me. Conversely an argument can be made the quality of play suffers when starters are injured and replaced by back ups and in some case not familiar with the position. I have no specifics, but would also venture a guess how such scenarios may have resulted in injuries to the replacement player or regular starters.
ArgoRavi
10-04-2013, 04:52 PM
Not me. Conversely an argument can be made the quality of play suffers when starters are injured and replaced by back ups and in some case not familiar with the position. I have no specifics, but would also venture a guess how such scenarios may have resulted in injuries to the replacement player or regular starters.
We have seen many injuries this year to key players and I have not noticed any decline in the quality of play. Scoring, for instance, is up this year by two or three points per game.
argotom
10-04-2013, 05:38 PM
We have seen many injuries this year to key players and I have not noticed any decline in the quality of play. Scoring, for instance, is up this year by two or three points per game. With a bigger roster as per my plan and therefore the reduction of the practice roster, this would enable a team to develop a player on the bubble or a rookie instead of risking in losing same. A Canadian QB comes to mind immediately.
argolio
10-05-2013, 04:01 PM
With a bigger roster as per my plan and therefore the reduction of the practice roster, this would enable a team to develop a player on the bubble or a rookie instead of risking in losing same. A Canadian QB comes to mind immediately.With a bigger roster, you're cutting into what you can pay your starters. Every additional import would also likely cut into the number of Canadian starters. And if you're proposing a 4th roster QB, what would be the point of that? He would never get a second of playing time.
argotom
10-06-2013, 10:24 PM
With a biggest roster, you're cutting into what you can pay your starters. Every additional import would also likely cut into the number of Canadian starters. And if you're proposing a 4th roster QB, what would be the point of that? He would never get a second of playing time. Keeping a Canadian QB as a specific spot on the roster would likely result in the eventual development and act as an incentive for all QB's playing in the CIS. There is no question a Russ Jackson type quality is out there.
AngeloV
10-06-2013, 11:03 PM
Keeping a Canadian QB as a specific spot on the roster would likely result in the eventual development and act as an incentive for all QB's playing in the CIS. There is no question a Russ Jackson type quality is out there.
Really? If there was a Russ Jackson type out there, he would be starting in either the CFL or NFL regardless of where he was born. Sorry...CIS is great football, but nowhere near the level of NCAA. There are maybe 10 players on most CIS teams that would even make a Div 1 NCAA roster. You won't see 1 starting NCAA db running a 4.8 in the 40, but there are many starting CIS DB's running that time.
doubleblue
10-07-2013, 12:00 PM
Really? If there was a Russ Jackson type out there, he would be starting in either the CFL or NFL regardless of where he was born. Sorry...CIS is great football, but nowhere near the level of NCAA. There are maybe 10 players on most CIS teams that would even make a Div 1 NCAA roster. You won't see 1 starting NCAA db running a 4.8 in the 40, but there are many starting CIS DB's running that time. If Russ Jackson was coming out now he wouldn't get the chance to play QB like he did with Ottawa. Ottawa brought him in to play DB and that was where he was on the roster until injuries forced Frank Clair to play him at QB. I've heard Russ tell the story himself.
AngeloV
10-07-2013, 12:20 PM
If Russ Jackson was coming out now he wouldn't get the chance to play QB like he did with Ottawa. Ottawa brought him in to play DB and that was where he was on the roster until injuries forced Frank Clair to play him at QB. I've heard Russ tell the story himself.
Understood, but my point is that there just aren't many Russ Jackson's out there. I love CIS ball, but knowing many people that have played (including some that have played in the CFL) and a few that have coached, I'll take their words that the overall caliber doesn't compare. It's hard to produce a pro level QB when the game just isn't as fast. They are too far behind at the start of their careers. Maybe bringing in undergraduates to TC (as Hamilton did with UWO qb Finch) will be a start to producing a future QB. I really hope so, but increasing roster sizes is not going to do anything to change the current situation. I still thing the biggest obstacle for QB's is the fact that their are so many have and have nots in terms of strength of teams and competition in the CIS today.
argotom
10-08-2013, 10:01 AM
The quality of Canadian players playing in the CIS and NCAA has improved over the years. Similarly the QB's playing in CIS is awesome and there are plenty of names that should have been still playing in the CFL if there was a designated spot. No doubt in my mind some would have moved up on the depth chart to include even starting. Development is the key. Heck, look what our own Argos have done for the first time in decades. We have developed a starting caliber QB like Zach Collaros. There is no one that can tell me this couldn't have been done with our own Canadian born.
ArgoGabe22
10-09-2013, 03:16 PM
The Argos brought in 4 more today. One of them is Darvin Adams. The others are unknown as the article is blank.
http://argonauts.ca/article/argos-add-four-to-expanded-practice-roster?utm_source=social&utm_medium=hootsuite&utm_campaign=twitter
Oh this team sometimes...
Wobbler
10-09-2013, 04:51 PM
TOR ADD IMP Darvin ADAMS (WR) Auburn
TOR ADD IMP Nickolas BRASSELL (WR) Mississippi
TOR ADD IMP Jarred FAYSON (WR) Illinois
TOR ADD IMP Lawrence WILSON (LB) Connecticut
Wobbler
10-09-2013, 04:55 PM
Wilson was a 6th round pick of the Panthers in 2011. He's had some marijuana issues in the NFL, but seems like a good signing. He was a beast with UConn.
ArgoRavi
10-10-2013, 12:13 AM
Was Adams injured during training camp? I remember that there was much excitement over his signing but I can't recall how he looked or did during training camp and preseason.
mchesher03
10-10-2013, 09:32 AM
Was Adams injured during training camp? I remember that there was much excitement over his signing but I can't recall how he looked or did during training camp and preseason.
and this is why the name Darvin Adams was familiar to me. i couldn't figure out why until now...
Wobbler
10-17-2013, 03:28 PM
Marcus Thomas (http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2012/08/giants_sign_veteran_defensive.html) was been added to the PR yesterday. He played a lot of football with the Broncos before they opted not to re-sign him. Last year he was signed by the Giants late in camp (as mentioned in the linked article) but didn't stick with them. As far as I can see he doesn't have injury problems, it's just that no one is willing to pay him $700K+ to play tackle any more. If he is motivated, he could be a great signing for us.
jerrym
10-20-2013, 09:50 PM
At 6'3" and 315 pounds, Thomas can clog up the middle and stuff the run
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1300811-new-york-giants-add-former-broncos-dt-marcus-thomas-due-to-injuries-to-line
Another large defensive tackle to pair with Mitchell and clog up the middle is something I have felt the Argos have missed all year as many teams have been running up the middle on us.
OV Argo
10-20-2013, 10:52 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1300811-new-york-giants-add-former-broncos-dt-marcus-thomas-due-to-injuries-to-line
Another large defensive tackle to pair with Mitchell and clog up the middle is something I have felt the Argos have missed all year as many teams have been running up the middle on us.
The Argos already have Mitchell as a big DT; no CFL teams deploy 2 huge DTs for run-stuffing purposes as there is next to no real threat of being run all over by any CFL offence - none of which load up on a consistent, pounding ground game; IF - Thomas can be a very good pass rusher out of DT as well as a solid run-stopper, then you might have something, in which case, bring him on.
The Argos D needs way more pass rush pressure, along with some better coverage, not to mention solid D formations and adjustments; this year's D has a lot of new and inexperienced guys; maybe Jones thought his brilliant schemes could mean just replacing very good vets and D players like Foley, McCullough, Flemons, Younger, Issac, Carrol, Huntley - with new "good athletes" and they would be just fine - if he thought this, he is sadly mistaken IMO.
doubleblue
10-21-2013, 02:22 PM
That was quite a turn over from a Grey Cup winning team. Gives hope to Ottawa, that with some good scouting and drafting a few good vets, they can be quite good defensively next year. IMO from the guys let go, McCoullough has been the toughests one to replace, and maybe Foley going by his Grey Cup game. He showed he could do the job if he bought into the system. I like Hortan for Issac, Mitchell for Huntley, Lawrence for Carroll. Flemons replacements English and Tripp have been somewhat inconsistent and Younger's experience is difficult to replace. But overall I wouldn't bet against Jones getting them ready for the big games coming in November.
Wobbler
10-22-2013, 11:17 AM
Yesterday we added Branden Smith (http://onlineathens.com/sports/college-sports/2013-04-24/branden-smith-aims-prove-critics-wrong-find-nfl-home), who can do a little bit of everything.
The Argos may have been slow to fill their PR, but they've picked up some interesting guys.
flafson
10-22-2013, 11:30 AM
The #Argos have announced the release of DL Micanor Regis and RB Chris Jennings from the practice roster. (http://www.twitter.com/TorontoArgos)
Wobbler
10-22-2013, 07:45 PM
The Argos already have Mitchell as a big DT; no CFL teams deploy 2 huge DTs for run-stuffing purposes as there is next to no real threat of being run all over by any CFL offence - none of which load up on a consistent, pounding ground game.
Mitchell may be large, but I wouldn't describe him as a run-stuffing specialist; he's our best pass rusher. If he could line up with another guy with similar abilities and avoid being double-teamed every down, he'd be even more of a threat.
There are very few things in football more enjoyable than watching a talented defensive line wreak havoc... and I would hope that the Argos can evolve rapidly to "resemble that remark".
Midnight Blue
10-23-2013, 07:02 PM
There are very few things in football more enjoyable than watching a talented defensive line wreak havoc... and I would hope that the Argos can evolve rapidly to "resemble that remark".
Hear, hear !
I love Defensive Football. And please forgive the cliche (Klee-Shay), but there is a reason,
why Defence wins Championships.
Hopefully our Defence will round into form, just like last year's Offense did, when approaching the Playoffs.
Ka' Pla !
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