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R.J
02-15-2012, 08:04 PM
http://www.canada.com/sports/Cole+This+season+about+Argos/6158862/story.html
It’s probably fair to say that the Canadian Football League hasn’t quite got the hang of this Free Agent Frenzy thing yet.

(fren•zy/’frenze/ Noun: A state or period of uncontrolled excitement or wild behaviour.)

Maybe no one had a dictionary at CFL HQ.

The league did agree with the media, i.e. TSN, that a midnight Wednesday deadline made no sense for promotional purposes, so this year it pushed the business of tying up the talent back to daytime hours . . . but evidently forgot to tell the general managers.

Oh, well.

One thing we did get established, even before the day began: this year, it’s all about the Toronto Argonauts.

Conspiracy theorists may want to look at the Argos’ off-season windfall — trading Zenon Andrusyshyn’s old kicking boot, a pair of tackified gloves and a can of MonkeyButt powder to the Edmonton Eskimos for quarterback Ricky Ray, then signing his Eskimo teammate, receiver Jason Barnes, on Tuesday — through the lens of LeagueThink.

Follow along, if you will . . .

It’s hardly news that the CFL considers it a priority to bolster the Argos and football interest in Toronto in advance of the city’s hosting of the 100th Grey Cup. That makes good business sense.

Commissioner Mark Cohon referred to it in his state-of-the-union news conference in November: Southern Ontario is the focus for the coming season, complete with an extra million in cash.

The money isn’t coming out of Cohon’s pockets, it’s been voted on and approved by the board of governors, which means at the very least there is a tacit agreement among the other teams’ owners to let there be a somewhat uneven playing field for this year, in the best interests of the league.

That’s on top of the perception that the team in the Grey Cup city doesn’t have to stay up nights worrying about the salary cap while they’re trying to ramp up interest in the CFL’s big payday.

And so, if the Argos’ No. 1 need was a quarterback, and it surely was, which team could least uncomfortably weather a lousy season without one, in order to gift the Argos the key to respectability? Why, the moneybags Eskimos, of course.

Perhaps that explains why good old Eric Tillman, the Edmonton GM, was willing to take a first-round draft pick, a kicker of unknown ability (Grant Shaw) and a quarterback of known inability (Steven Jyles) in exchange for Ray, and then explain it all away in a news conference by saying: “Toronto initiated this,” and calling the Argos’ pursuit of Ray “very aggressive.

“We were not looking to trade Ricky — and were very reluctant to do so,” quoth E.T.

Apparently, the Eskimos were just blown away by the Toronto offer. Well, who wouldn’t be?

Now, take it one step further.

Sen. David Braley, owner of both the B.C. Lions and the Argonauts — meaning his teams will have played host to back-to-back Grey Cups — has admitted, reluctantly, to having been involved, with and without the well-heeled Eskimos, in salvage operations in every other city in the league over the years.

“Edmonton kept their heads above water for the most part, because of Hughie. (Former coach/general manager/chief executive officer) Hugh Campbell and I were very close friends,” Braley said at the 2009 Grey Cup. “But yes, Edmonton put money into various franchises, Edmonton and myself put money into them. There was no secret about what we were doing, we just kept those teams together . . . in all cases under the auspices of the chairman or commissioner. Those were all things that were necessary.”

Then he bought the Argos, and since then, he’s found a whole new definition of necessity.

That’s why it is difficult to view the acquisition of Ray by the neediest franchise in the CFL, at this critical time — and the Eskimos’ co-operation in their own de-pantsing — as just a shrewd piece of horse-trading by Argo GM Jim Barker, without seeing a larger shadow looming in the background.

To ignore the shadow would be to suggest that Tillman is an inept football man, and he surely is not.

Whatever commerce has taken place between the two teams Sen. Braley actually owns, B.C. and Toronto, has raised few hackles. If CFL and Grey Cup MVP Travis Lulay had moved to the Argos, the howls of conflict-of-interest would still be echoing.

But Braley doesn’t own the Eskimos. His Eastern team needed Ray, though. And the CFL owed him. And those who could best afford it, paid.

End of theory. You got a better one?

Area 51
02-15-2012, 09:49 PM
Interesting to hear an outsider viewpoint on what the Argos gave up for Ricky Ray - - essentially, nothing. Which I would agree with. Compare that to the reaction on this forum and it was as if Toronto really had to give up some major talent. A back up kicker? I don't care what his nationality is, he's a SECOND STRING kicker. First round draft pick? Unproven 30 year old QB?

Now the grumblings about how much salary cap room Ricky Ray is taking up. Are you serious? Do you want a franchise QB or another stiff like they've had for the past 15 years?

1argoholic
02-15-2012, 09:54 PM
I want a qb like Ricky Ray but enough cash to get some solid players around him.

ArgoRavi
02-15-2012, 10:03 PM
Cam Cole ignores the fact that the Esks were willing to deal Ray to Hamilton last year but why let the facts get in the way of his nutty conspiracy theory? :(

gilthethrill
02-15-2012, 10:15 PM
Interesting to hear an outsider viewpoint on what the Argos gave up for Ricky Ray - - essentially, nothing. Which I would agree with. Compare that to the reaction on this forum and it was as if Toronto really had to give up some major talent. A back up kicker? I don't care what his nationality is, he's a SECOND STRING kicker. First round draft pick? Unproven 30 year old QB?

Now the grumblings about how much salary cap room Ricky Ray is taking up. Are you serious? Do you want a franchise QB or another stiff like they've had for the past 15 years?


I don't hear any grumblings from the press about how much cap space AC in Montreal takes up & they have no problem surrounding him with quality talent.

So Area51, is Barker looking smart for making that deal or did Tillman make a mistake?

Area 51
02-15-2012, 10:29 PM
Barker took the known entity over the unknown. He absolutely HAD to get a QB that could actually make some throws, so in that sense mission accomplished.

In terms of players, Tillman got garbage in return. Big ups to Barker for dealing away nothing of consequence off the current roster. Nobody would ever consider a kicker to be a "game breaker" and I can't see Steve Jyles being anything more than a mediocre starting QB/quality back up QB.

Argos have a long history of terrible first round draft selections - - just like I have a long history of never winning the lottery. So would I trade away a lottery ticket and a couple bottle caps for a steak dinner? Definitely. The steak might end up being overcooked, but chances are it's going to be a hell of a lot better than a losing lotto ticket. That's what Barker did in this situation.

So it comes down to what Tillman does with the 1st round pick. If he comes up with a Foley or Fantuz type franchise player in the draft it starts to even up the deal in a big way.

Also depends heavily on what Tillman does with the cap room. Does he bring in two or three underpriced bargains that turn out to be cornerstones or does he piss it away on overpriced also-rans. So far, I really like the signing of Donny O for Edmonton but he's going to have to prove he can actually be a productive starter at DT.

If I'm the GM I make this trade any day of the week. Doesn't mean that Barker made a "smart" move though, since many people here consider my opinions and evaluations to be completely wrong. Let's see what happens.

R.J
02-15-2012, 11:21 PM
Fact of the reality is, this is Tillman's MO, he hates paying too much for a QB, just by trading Ray and letting go of Kobongo, you're looking at over 275k in savings. IMO the Argos underpaid to get Ray, but maybe the cap savings could improve the Eskies.

1argoholic
02-16-2012, 12:18 AM
As I've mentioned all day long on here that are we going to have cap room to sign some of our quality free agents. As we've seen the big one in Picard is gone. Till man must see that Edmonton needs to balance it's spending more. Having said that we needed a star qb. I just hope barker can fill the spots we need filled with quality players. I don't care if they are rookies who can step in and play well.

R.J
02-16-2012, 02:57 PM
Looking at the deal now, Ray+Barnes to Toronto, Messam to Miami and Edmonton now has Shaw, Jyles, 2nd overall pick, Koch, Carr. Should also add that Jeremiah Masoli is still rumoured to be signing in Edmonton.

Invader
02-16-2012, 03:40 PM
I don't think Cole was really serious with his Conspiracy theory, more likely his dry wit...and bitter feelings about losing Ricky Ray.

The only way this deal could get done was if Tillman was enamoured with Stephen Jyles. I believe Tillman was convinced (or convinced himself) that Jyles could get the job done...even if in the first season he was only 90% as good as Ray. The Esks would save over $200k towards the Cap in the QB exchange. Then the Esks could go out and sign FA's to bolster the squad. I highly doubt there was any league involvement or any secret deal between the Esks and Argos.

Jason Barnes had an agreement with Tillman that the Esks would release him after 2011 (to test the market). This was agreed to after Barnes was jerked-around in training camp last year after supposedly "failing" his physical...then reappearing on the roster a couple games into the season. The story goes, if Barnes did not get a satisfactory offer this off-season, the Esks would apparently resign him. No conspiracy there to stock the Argos (unless Barnes pops back on the Esks roster in 2013?)

argotom
02-16-2012, 07:01 PM
Cam Cole ignores the fact that the Esks were willing to deal Ray to Hamilton last year but why let the facts get in the way of his nutty conspiracy theory? :(


Absolutely, plus ET does have a history of trading QB's that may have reached their best before date with a top dollar contract.
Hopefully RR will not be another KJ?

Chuckonauts
02-16-2012, 07:01 PM
There might be something to it, I mean trading Gretzky to L.A. paid off big for Hockey in the US. The CFL in Toronto in many respects is like hockey in the states. The CFL needs to do something to defibrulate Toronto's CFL pulse and bring it back to some kind of life. If bringing in Ray helps the team win and put up points and play some exciting football then mission accomplished.

The west can talk all they want about conspiracies, maybe it is true. But who cares? A strong Argos is good for the whole dam league. Edmonton will be fine.

ArgoRavi
02-16-2012, 07:56 PM
There might be something to it, I mean trading Gretzky to L.A. paid off big for Hockey in the US. The CFL in Toronto in many respects is like hockey in the states. The CFL needs to do something to defibrulate Toronto's CFL pulse and bring it back to some kind of life. If bringing in Ray helps the team win and put up points and play some exciting football then mission accomplished.

The west can talk all they want about conspiracies, maybe it is true. But who cares? A strong Argos is good for the whole dam league. Edmonton will be fine.

Chuckonauts! Now that is a real blast from the past! Where have you been the last few years?

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