Season Ticket Holders

[Will]

Disclaimer: I know not every STH would have attended last night.

However, given that it was general admission and I don't recall being asked whether or not I wanted a ticket the question needs to be asked. Do the Argos have only approximately 5000 STH's?

[mchesher03]

I would have guessed 5-6k in STHs prior to last night's game so I'm guessing that's about the number. sad yes but it's the truth.

[Invader]

There's little incentive for casual fans to buy seasons tickets with such a huge stadium and plenty of good seats available on a game-by-game basis...and fans knowing all the home games are on TV for free.

[Neely2005]

Good question. Someone mentioned in another Thread that their Argonauts ticket representative had said that they hoped to get to 10,000 season tickets this season. (I think that 10,000 was the number)

EDIT: Yeah it was 10,000. Mentioned here:

http://www.argofans.com/showthread.php?2629-Season-Ticket-Sales

[1argoholic]

We decided not to make the trip in.

On a side note I gave the two bring a friend tickets to a good guy at our pet food and bird seed supplier in Lakefield so he could take his son. Both are huge sports fans but growing up in Peterborough have never attended an Argos game. He called leaving a message yesterday and was really excited. Hopefully when they go they'll have a fun experience and possibly hit a few more games.

[AngeloV]

We decided not to make the trip in.

On a side note I gave the two bring a friend tickets to a good guy at our pet food and bird seed supplier in Lakefield so he could take his son. Both are huge sports fans but growing up in Peterborough have never attended an Argos game. He called leaving a message yesterday and was really excited. Hopefully when they go they'll have a fun experience and possibly hit a few more games.

Good job argoholic. If only the team would do as much as you just have to bring in new fans.

[Will]

We decided not to make the trip in.

On a side note I gave the two bring a friend tickets to a good guy at our pet food and bird seed supplier in Lakefield so he could take his son. Both are huge sports fans but growing up in Peterborough have never attended an Argos game. He called leaving a message yesterday and was really excited. Hopefully when they go they'll have a fun experience and possibly hit a few more games.

Did they enjoy themselves?

[dans41]

why would you become a STH, what incentive is there???

[argotom]

why would you become a STH, what incentive is there???

A true fan does not ask this type of a question?

[paulwoods13]

A true fan does not ask this type of a question?

I completely disagree. If that were true, there must be only 5,000 "true fans." The fact is, anyone can get great seats in every price range for every game. So as dans41 asked, what incentive is there for being a STH? A nice ticket booklet, but what else?

[matchuk]

I completely disagree. If that were true, there must be only 5,000 "true fans." The fact is, anyone can get great seats in every price range for every game. So as dans41 asked, what incentive is there for being a STH? A nice ticket booklet, but what else?

True enough. I also saw an email from the Argos a few days back. It was a free kids ticket to a game for every adult ticket purchased. As a STH with 4 seats (2 of them being for young kids) this deal would actually save me about $600 for the season! That's what you get for being a dedicated fan.

[ArgoRedneck]

True enough. I also saw an email from the Argos a few days back. It was a free kids ticket to a game for every adult ticket purchased. As a STH with 4 seats (2 of them being for young kids) this deal would actually save me about $600 for the season! That's what you get for being a dedicated fan.



Agree with you....BUT did you call them on it to let them know you were pissed? I did I'm kinda in the same boat. Used the ticket exchange for tickets that are for a 7 year old before this offer came out. Because of the season ticket price you have to pay the extra to make up to the regular ticket price then you have to pay about $10 in service charges on the "free" ticket. At the end of the day my "free" platinum ticket was around $50???????

[ArgoGabe22]

I always saw season tickets just as a bulk buy, with a discount per ticket compared to purchasing a regular single seat ticket x9. I believe STH also get a discount on extra single ticket. Other than that, you get a gift with your season and that's it. It's pretty much the same for every club. This year we did not have a STH event (town hall) whil other teams - Riders, Stamps, Lions did.

My family (3 seats) dropped our seasons 2 years ago with the odd home schedule and just couldn't commit to all 9 games but we are flex pack holders and also receive a discount on any extra ticket we purchase.

[argotom]

I completely disagree. If that were true, there must be only 5,000 "true fans." The fact is, anyone can get great seats in every price range for every game. So as dans41 asked, what incentive is there for being a STH? A nice ticket booklet, but what else?

Now you have opened up a can of worms.
Why don't we talk about the Leafs, Craptors and Blue Jays as well.
MLSE has disrespected and gauged the fans for years and provided an inferior product for both teams, we won't even mention the minor league TFC operation.
Why don't we also throw in the one about the blackmailing the hockey fans to purchase bb tickets?
So by that rational, there should be no fans watching the hockey pucks or the round ball.
Being lied to, with inflated prices only "stupid fans" will pay is ok based on the rational here!

[herrington2828]

9 year season ticketholder here. I have been pissed in the past to about these things, BUT If you do not call guys like Andreoli or Rob then nothing chgs.

Call your rep and tel them to make a difference, FOA bitching will not make a difference.

[ArgoGabe22]

9 year season ticketholder here. I have been pissed in the past to about these things

Just curious, with what are you so pissed about regarding being a STH? I never expected anything that will amaze me as a freebie and what exactly do the Argos don't do compared to the other teams (other than have a STH event) ?

[dans41]

i want something as a thank you for being a STH

[argotom]

i want something as a thank you for being a STH


Over the 20 years that I have been a STH, there have been quite a few gifts over the years.

[paulwoods13]

Now you have opened up a can of worms.
Why don't we talk about the Leafs, Craptors and Blue Jays as well.
MLSE has disrespected and gauged the fans for years and provided an inferior product for both teams, we won't even mention the minor league TFC operation.
Why don't we also throw in the one about the blackmailing the hockey fans to purchase bb tickets?
So by that rational, there should be no fans watching the hockey pucks or the round ball.
Being lied to, with inflated prices only "stupid fans" will pay is ok based on the rational here!

What does any of this have to do with the post I wrote that you ostensibly replied to?

[AngeloV]

What does any of this have to do with the post I wrote that you ostensibly replied to?

Quit it Paul. You are making me laugh way to hard. :D

[Neely2005]

i want something as a thank you for being a STH

I thought that the 100 Grey Cups book that we got last season was a great gift.

This year we get the Argonauts Flag and a voucher for a free ticket.

What exactly are you looking for?

EDIT: We also got the Championship DVD last year.

[AngeloV]

I thought that the 100 Grey Cups book that we got last season was a great gift.

This year we get the Argonauts Flag and a voucher for a free ticket.

What exactly are you looking for?

He's not looking for anything. He is trolling. Called him out and received 2 derogatory pm's from him. I say everyone put him on ignore list.

[Argocister]

He's not looking for anything. He is trolling. Called him out and received 2 derogatory pm's from him. I say everyone put him on ignore list.

done a while back.

I've been a STH for 9 yrs now, I appreciate the gifts.... but what I like more was the great video thanking fans at the Varsity game...... That means more to me...... Having a coaching staff and GM that cares about putting a good product on the field ......and creates a good team vibe (not like the Andrus grump days) .... and being available for media .... and even keeping us in suspense as to the cuts ..... I don't expect to be showered with gifts. I don't want my STH monies going to that, I want it going to the team.... I want my monies to go to the CFL and increase the earnings by more than 27 mill so that they can increase the players salaries.

[BATKINSON001]

i have a few gifts, in 2012 we got the small decorative argo helmet mounted on a block of wood, 2011 we got the photo frame , mine holds my pic with Pinball from that years fan day event, when he signed my Clemons jersey, 2012 I cant remember this one, 2013 the t-shirt voucher, and this year... a FULL SIZE flag (not a dinky little one or a car flag either).


done a while back.

I've been a STH for 9 yrs now, I appreciate the gifts.... but what I like more was the great video thanking fans at the Varsity game...... That means more to me...... Having a coaching staff and GM that cares about putting a good product on the field ......and creates a good team vibe (not like the Andrus grump days) .... and being available for media .... and even keeping us in suspense as to the cuts ..... I don't expect to be showered with gifts. I don't want my STH monies going to that, I want it going to the team.... I want my monies to go to the CFL and increase the earnings by more than 27 mill so that they can increase the players salaries.

I totally agree with this statement.

[ArgoRedneck]

What have I got for being a STH? Everything that I was told I was getting and more. Tickets at 20% off, ticket exchanges to suit my weekly life and shift work. They have provided me with awesome gifts for various groups I am involved with. My rep gave me special passes at the 100th GC for a VIP area. Monthly payment plans when buying tickets in Dec.

My biggest beef though is the attempt at tailgate parties. I will see on July 5th if they have put anymore effort into it, but the last 2 years have been below average, with little energy put into them. I can understand their fear, bad weather and investment in time and money is wasted. They need to hook up with Steam Whistle and let them set something up. Or rent a section of a parking lot and supply some toliets and let us have are own party. The parking lot is private property and washroom on site, the liquor laws have changed, they need to take advantage of them. 1000 people can smoke joints downtown and no charges, if a 100 of us get together and crush a 6 pack in cups we will be okay. If 1 or 2 get charged we chip in a buck or two and its paid. We police are own area and as far as garbage, trust me homeless people will be there taking our empty cans. Argo tailgate for now but should WE try and start are own and see what happens?

[T-Bone]

They need to hook up with Steam Whistle and let them set something up.
I think this has been suggested around here a few times and could be interesting. I wonder if anyone from the Argos have looked in to it and what the cost would be.


Or rent a section of a parking lot and supply some toliets and let us have are own party. The parking lot is private property and washroom on site, the liquor laws have changed, they need to take advantage of them.
Just because a parking lot is private property* doesn't mean you can bring your own liquor and drink it there. *Define private property.


Unlawful possession or consumption

Definition
31. (1) In this section,
“residence” means a place that is actually occupied and used as a dwelling, whether or not in common with other persons, including all premises used in conjunction with the place to which the general public is not invited or permitted access, and, if the place occupied and used as a dwelling is a tent, includes the land immediately adjacent to and used in conjunction with the tent. R.S.O. 1990, c. L.19, s. 31 (1).

Unlawful possession or consumption
(2) No person shall have or consume liquor in any place other than,
(a) a residence;
(b) premises in respect of which a licence or permit is issued; or
(c) a private place as defined in the regulations. R.S.O. 1990, c. L.19, s. 31 (2).

Exception
(3) Subsection (2) does not apply to the possession of liquor that is in a closed container. R.S.O. 1990, c. L.19, s. 31 (3).

Same
(3.1) Despite clause (2) (b), no person shall consume beer or wine in a licensed ferment on premise facility except as permitted by the regulations. 1998, c. 24, s. 13; 2006, c. 34, s. 16 (45). (http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_90l19_e.htm#BK36)

[johnnyice]

They need to hook up with Steam Whistle and let them set something up.



​That would be very interesting ; a home opener on a Sat afternoon no less !

[ArgoRedneck]

Just because a parking lot is private property* doesn't mean you can bring your own liquor and drink it there. *Define private property.

Yeah I know. You can still drink beer in a parking lot. Only needs a license so you don't get a ticket. Ball diamond parking lots after rec games, Hamilton Tiger cats pre game, golf course, hockey dressing rooms,walking around a hotel with a drink, ski hills, all in violation for a small fine, but people use common sense, it happens and works for both sides.


June 01 2013 New revision to what you are talking about. Its called Special Occasion Permit (SOP) $25 to $75 for one. Allows you to "tailgate" in a area that is defined by a .9 meter high barrier. Point is the Argos could set this up for us on a regular basis. Look at the Molson Indy. A SOP is issued and most of the event area you can walk around with a purchased drink.

If you want a beer pour it in a plastic red cup and go do it, life is to short to worry about getting a ticket. At the end of the day its just like a parking ticket. Its not a violation to carry a beer in a plastic bag with some ice just don't make it that obvious. Put it in a backpack. Its just the beer in your cup thats the violation.

[Ballstothewall]

Disclaimer: I know not every STH would have attended last night.

However, given that it was general admission and I don't recall being asked whether or not I wanted a ticket the question needs to be asked. Do the Argos have only approximately 5000 STH's?

The Argos have between 9,000 and 11,000 season ticket holders. The issue as i have said in the past is that approx 5,000 of those season ticket holders are owned by business, which is not a bad thing, because they buy the most expensive seats, however most of these business season ticket go unused for things like a Preseason game in the small staduim.

[T-Bone]

Yeah I know. You can still drink beer in a parking lot. Only needs a license so you don't get a ticket. Ball diamond parking lots after rec games, Hamilton Tiger cats pre game, golf course, hockey dressing rooms,walking around a hotel with a drink, ski hills, all in violation for a small fine, but people use common sense, it happens and works for both sides.

If you want a beer pour it in a plastic red cup and go do it, life is to short to worry about getting a ticket. At the end of the day its just like a parking ticket. Its not a violation to carry a beer in a plastic bag with some ice just don't make it that obvious. Put it in a backpack. Its just the beer in your cup thats the violation.
Your original post implied since the Liquor License Act revisions it is now legal to bring and drink your own liquor. As I and now you have pointed out, it is not. Personally, I don't want to be paying fines.


June 01 2013 New revision to what you are talking about. Its called Special Occasion Permit (SOP) $25 to $75 for one. Allows you to "tailgate" in a area that is defined by a .9 meter high barrier. Point is the Argos could set this up for us on a regular basis. Look at the Molson Indy. A SOP is issued and most of the event area you can walk around with a purchased drink.
They have done this a few time over the past two seasons at Gate 11.


The Argos have between 9,000 and 11,000 season ticket holders. The issue as i have said in the past is that approx 5,000 of those season ticket holders are owned by business, which is not a bad thing, because they buy the most expensive seats, however most of these business season ticket go unused for things like a Preseason game in the small staduim.
And TFC only has 200 season ticket holders (http://www.argofans.com/showthread.php?66-The-Toronto-FC-Thread&p=33005&viewfull=1#post33005). Where are you getting these numbers from?

[argonaut11xx]

If you want a beer pour it in a plastic red cup and go do it, life is to short to worry about getting a ticket.

I'd suggest using a BLUE solo cup, to really fool them....hehe

[ArgoRedneck]

Personally, I don't want to be paying fines.


They have done this a few time over the past two seasons at Gate 11.


And TFC only has 200 season ticket holders (http://www.argofans.com/showthread.php?66-The-Toronto-FC-Thread&p=33005&viewfull=1#post33005). Where are you getting these numbers from?

"On a regular basis" at gate 11 , I see how that wasn't clear. Every game I should have said. My tailgate party for BMO 2015 prediction you are off the guest list.............Toronto ETF might show up and I don't want to put you in a bad situation because we are having a beer. Most people follow all laws but pick a few to cut corners on to make life a little more fun. Can't imagine following all laws so one does not have to pay fines. To those that do follow all laws, please remember to stay out of the left hand lane on the 401 when I am going to and from Argo games because I drive 115 kmh and you at 100 kmh slow me down.

[Mulder]

And TFC only has 200 season ticket holders (http://www.argofans.com/showthread.php?66-The-Toronto-FC-Thread&p=33005&viewfull=1#post33005). Where are you getting these numbers from?

Way to look extremely petty bringing up a post from almost a year ago.

[T-Bone]

My tailgate party for BMO 2015 prediction you are off the guest list.............Toronto ETF might show up and I don't want to put you in a bad situation because we are having a beer. Most people follow all laws but pick a few to cut corners on to make life a little more fun. Can't imagine following all laws so one does not have to pay fines.
I tailgate in Hamilton because I know being fined is unlikely. I doubt that would be the case around Rogers Centre.


Way to look extremely petty bringing up a post from almost a year ago.
In your opinion. For me it's a matter of credibility, I don't trust his numbers. Especially when it comes to season ticket holder numbers, so I've asked for a source that backs up his claim.

[paulwoods13]

The Argos have between 9,000 and 11,000 season ticket holders. The issue as i have said in the past is that approx 5,000 of those season ticket holders are owned by business, which is not a bad thing, because they buy the most expensive seats, however most of these business season ticket go unused for things like a Preseason game in the small staduim.

I truly hope you are right about those numbers, altho I don't know what your source is. It is a fact that I and other STHs were not offered the right to decline the preseason game, which suggests that every STH was given tickets to that game. While I agree that not everyone would attend a preseason game, I find it somewhat unlikely that the team would risk the possibility of 11,000 people showing up with tickets for a game in a stadium that could seat only 5,000.

[Mulder]

In your opinion. For me it's a matter of credibility, I don't trust his numbers. Especially when it comes to season ticket holder numbers, so I've asked for a source that backs up his claim.

Retracked


I truly hope you are right about those numbers, altho I don't know what your source is. It is a fact that I and other STHs were not offered the right to decline the preseason game, which suggests that every STH was given tickets to that game. While I agree that not everyone would attend a preseason game, I find it somewhat unlikely that the team would risk the possibility of 11,000 people showing up with tickets for a game in a stadium that could seat only 5,000.

I'd post what my old Argo rep said a few months ago, but without an indisputable source with quotations in a news article. I fear my credibility will be in question.

[T-Bone]

So it's now been established you have trust issues.
Do you trust his numbers based on the facts that are known? paulwoods13's point (http://www.argofans.com/showthread.php?2696-Season-Ticket-Holders&p=47798&viewfull=1#post47798) is exactly why argofan87 started this thread and asked the question.

[Mulder]

Do you trust his numbers based on the facts that are known? paulwoods13's point (http://www.argofans.com/showthread.php?2696-Season-Ticket-Holders&p=47798&viewfull=1#post47798) is exactly why argofan87 started this thread and asked the questions.

retracted.

[paulwoods13]

Why don't we get back on point rather than rehashing old arguments?

If a ticket rep said the Argos had 9,000-11,000 STHs, that's at least a source, albeit one whose impartiality and commitment to the truth could at least be called into question. It still makes me wonder how the team was able to give all STHs tickets to the ex game if the stadium could accommodate only half of them.

[T-Bone]

If a ticket rep said the Argos had 9,000-11,000 STHs, that's at least a source, albeit one whose impartiality and commitment to the truth could at least be called into question.
"If" is the key word. That's why I've asked for a source.


It still makes me wonder how the team was able to give all STHs tickets to the ex game if the stadium could accommodate only half of them.
I have the same wonder. I know Hamilton had a lottery for their pre-season game at McMaster.

[Neely2005]

"If" is the key word. That's why I've asked for a source.


I have the same wonder. I know Hamilton had a lottery for their pre-season game at McMaster.

Another poster mentioned 10,000 as the number:


Good question. Someone mentioned in another Thread that their Argonauts ticket representative had said that they hoped to get to 10,000 season tickets this season. (I think that 10,000 was the number)

EDIT: Yeah it was 10,000. Mentioned here:

http://www.argofans.com/showthread.php?2629-Season-Ticket-Sales

[T-Bone]

Another poster mentioned 10,000 as the number:
No, argotom posted his rep said they hope to have 10,000 before the season starts (http://www.argofans.com/showthread.php?2629-Season-Ticket-Sales&p=45927&viewfull=1#post45927). I can hope for $10,000 to show up in my wallet but have any amount below that.

[Neely2005]

No, argotom posted his rep said they hope to have 10,000 before the season starts (http://www.argofans.com/showthread.php?2629-Season-Ticket-Sales&p=45927&viewfull=1#post45927). I can hope for $10,000 to show up in my wallet but have any amount below that.

Yeah that's what my quote says, hope to hit 10,000. We have another poster saying 9,000 - 11,000 so I think we have a ballpark idea.

[Tau Ceti]

The best case scenario that I can imagine is STH's in the range of 6,000 to 7,000 and that, based on attendance patterns from last year at Varsity, they decided they could chance making this year's game open to all. The idea that they have 10,000 and would offer everyone a ticket simply defies sense. Surely they weren't making this offer based on an assumption of only 50% turnout.

[AngeloV]

Flutie02 may be right here. Since none of us are corporate ticket holders, we can't say for sure whether or not the corporate holders had to buy the pre-season game. I know last year, I was given an extra pair of tickets for the game from a corporate ST holder. Included with the ticket was a pre-game get together in a little club room within Varsity which strictly for the corporate ST holders. There was free food and drink and I can honestly say that fewer than 25 people showed up. Maybe they actually polled these specific holders and gave them the option of declining the pre-season game.

[T-Bone]

Flutie02 may be right here. Since none of us are corporate ticket holders, we can't say for sure whether or not the corporate holders had to buy the pre-season game. I know last year, I was given an extra pair of tickets for the game from a corporate ST holder. Included with the ticket was a pre-game get together in a little club room within Varsity which strictly for the corporate ST holders. There was free food and drink and I can honestly say that fewer than 25 people showed up. Maybe they actually polled these specific holders and gave them the option of declining the pre-season game.
So all, approximately 5000 of them declined?

[AngeloV]

So all, approximately 5000 of them declined?

I didn't say that. It just might not have even been a part of their ST package to begin with. Remember, last year we all had the option on whether or not to take the pre-season game. Maybe if the majority declined their tickets last year, the team decided not to include the game in their packages this year.

[T-Bone]

I didn't say that. It just might not have even been a part of their ST package to begin with. Remember, last year we all had the option on whether or not to take the pre-season game. Maybe if the majority declined their tickets last year, the team decided not to include the game in their packages this year.
As far as I know, last season we all had the option to get a pre-season game ticket or an extra ticket to the home opener. So all, approximately 5000 corporate ticket holders opted to go to the home opener? They also sold standing room tickets at Varsity last season. If I was a corporate ticket holder buying tickets in the highest price bracket, I wouldn't be to happy about the front office removing a ticket from my package that is included in everyone else's. Especially since they were also selling general admission tickets to the general public at Varsity this year.

[ArgoRedneck]

I have 2 ST's and have never gone to a pre season game. If I had 10 tickets and gave them away, I'm still sure they would not be used. If I give tickets away for a regular game all will be used.

[AngeloV]

As far as I know, last season we all had the option to get a pre-season game ticket or an extra ticket to the home opener. So all, approximately 5000 corporate ticket holders opted to go to the home opener? They also sold standing room tickets at Varsity last season. If I was a corporate ticket holder buying tickets in the highest price bracket, I wouldn't be to happy about the front office removing a ticket from my package that is included in everyone else's. Especially since they were also selling general admission tickets to the general public at Varsity this year.

The key there is yor first comment "As far as I know". I'm in the same boat, but simply acknowledge it is a possibility. You say you would be pissed if you weren't offered the pre-season game if you were a corporate seat holder. Keep in mind you are not, and have no idea what perks may be given in lieu of that specific game.

[T-Bone]

The Argos also have the smallest season ticket base by far, less than half of the next lowest CFL team.

Other CFL team's season ticket bases range from 15,000 to 26,000. With the Argos at a rumoured "8,000", this is a financial handicap the Argos suffer when compared to their competitors.
Where are you getting these numbers from?

[Will]

If the Argos are so seemingly protective of their season ticket numbers then why wouldn't they have done a lottery for this year's pre-season game? The lack of lottery this year only furthers the speculation.

[Mulder]

Where are you getting these numbers from?

Retracted.

[T-Bone]

What does it matter? The way you're arguing everybody thinks that you WANT the Argos to only have 5,000 season ticket holders. I guess your true colours are showing though.

You have even less sources than the other people posting. All you're doing is speculating, which is far worse than other people posting what they heard from a 3rd party. But I guess you want more people to hate you for posting here. You may as well change the name of the site and colour scheme while you're at it.

Last I checked we are all speculating. The only source that has been presented is an Argo rep saying they hope to have 10,000 season ticket holders by the start of the season. There's other numbers being thrown around here and I'm just wondering where they are coming from. I wasn't aware you could read everybody's mind to see what they think, I think. That's impressive, perhaps you could use that ability to get us some less speculative answers. Until then I honestly hope we have 9,000 to 11,000 season ticket holders but I'm still curious where these numbers are coming from.

[Will]

Tau Ceti has conducted research that seems to confirm Invader's numbers (http://www.argofans.com/showthread.php?2716-Season-Ticket-numbers-around-the-league&p=47885#post47885), if the Argos # happens to be the low-end 5000 then it is really quite sad. But, who is to blame, the Argos marketing department, Braley, the marketplace or a combination of all three?

[paulwoods13]

Here is what we know to be true:

The Argos drew slightly over 5,000 spectators last week.

All "regular" season-ticket holders got last week's game as part of their package. (There has been speculation that "corporate" STHs -- if such a thing exists -- may not have been required to take last week's game, but that is speculation, not proven fact.)

A ticket agent apparently told one of us that the team was hoping for 10,000 STHs. (I say "apparently" because all of us other than that individual have to take on faith that this conversation took place; for the record, I do take that on faith.)

Other than that, there appears to be no evidence for any claim on how many STHs the team has. Based on the preponderance of the (fairly skimpy) evidence we have before us, I think it's reasonable to believe that there may be only 5,000 or so STHs. Like T-Bone, I hope there are many more than that, but I see no evidence that leads me to believe it.

[ArgoZ]

What does it matter? The way you're arguing everybody thinks that you WANT the Argos to only have 5,000 season ticket holders. I guess your true colours are showing though.

You have even less sources than the other people posting. All you're doing is speculating, which is far worse than other people posting what they heard from a 3rd party. But I guess you want more people to hate you for posting here. You may as well change the name of the site and colour scheme while you're at it.

Hey, we all want the Argos to have 20 000 ST. I don't see any problems with trying to find the truth from real sources. I have yet to see a credible source. I don't care who someone heard from or most likely, claimed to have heard from. That's a recipe for rumors and a guarantee for misinformation.

If you had to bet 10 large on the ST numbers, would you pick closer to 5 or 10? I'm betting most would pick 5 at this point, which is the smart money and most likely closest to the truth.

[AngeloV]

You may as well change the name of the site and colour scheme while you're at it.

Does this comment tell us who the new (or one of the new) owners of this site is?

[Argo57]

Here is what we know to be true:

The Argos drew slightly over 5,000 spectators last week.

All "regular" season-ticket holders got last week's game as part of their package. (There has been speculation that "corporate" STHs -- if such a thing exists -- may not have been required to take last week's game, but that is speculation, not proven fact.)

A ticket agent apparently told one of us that the team was hoping for 10,000 STHs. (I say "apparently" because all of us other than that individual have to take on faith that this conversation took place; for the record, I do take that on faith.)

Other than that, there appears to be no evidence for any claim on how many STHs the team has. Based on the preponderance of the (fairly skimpy) evidence we have before us, I think it's reasonable to believe that there may be only 5,000 or so STHs. Like T-Bone, I hope there are many more than that, but I see no evidence that leads me to believe it.

For what it's worth Paul, I have 4 season tickets and didn't bother going, too much headache to get to Varsity for a pre-season game IMO.
If the game was at Skydome I would have take Go transit from the Burlington area, I guess what I am saying is who knows how many other season ticket holders were of like mind???

[Mulder]

Last I checked we are all speculating. The only source that has been presented is an Argo rep saying they hope to have 10,000 season ticket holders by the start of the season. There's other numbers being thrown around here and I'm just wondering where they are coming from. I wasn't aware you could read everybody's mind to see what they think, I think. That's impressive, perhaps you could use that ability to get us some less speculative answers. Until then I honestly hope we have 9,000 to 11,000 season ticket holders but I'm still curious where these numbers are coming from.

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[Rich]

Best suggestion? Go back to just posting in the tfc thread and creating game threads. Less people will be annoyed by your antics and "point proving".

What's annoying is your grudge against T-Bone.


Surely they weren't making this offer based on an assumption of only 50% turnout.

Why not? Everybody knows pre-season games are always very poorly attended. Saskatchewan got 13k and change last week for a pre season game, and they have, what, 27k season ticket holders? Less than 50%. Maybe the Argos had stats over time showing that less than 50% of STH attended pre season games.


I tailgate in Hamilton because I know being fined is unlikely. I doubt that would be the case around Rogers Centre.


For several years now, between 20 and 40 of us have been tailgating at the small lot on Bremner just west of York. BBQ and beer, baby, the only way to go. The cops are not a problem. They see us and they ignore us. We do the plastic cup thing which I believe makes a difference. The lot is part of the big construction site, so this is probably the last year this site will be available.

Anyone interested in honest-to-goodness tailgating should try to join us this year. Ping is always there with his fine collection of Argo merch for sale at good prices. It's a small lot, so sometimes spaces are hard to come by. Weekday games are especially difficult. We try to get there at least 2 hours before gametime.

[Mulder]

What's annoying is your grudge against T-Bone.

retracked.

[argomANIA]

Seriously guys...Can you two take this feud off line? Enough already.

[paulwoods13]

What's annoying is your grudge against T-Bone.


Indeed.


Saskatchewan got 13k and change last week for a pre season game, and they have, what, 27k season ticket holders? Less than 50%.

If I'm not mistaken, the Sask game with 13,000 was officially a RedBlacks home game and was not part of the Roughriders' ticket package.

[Mulder]

If I'm not mistaken, the Sask game with 13,000 was officially a RedBlacks home game and was not part of the Roughriders' ticket package.

And the second sask game only got 15,000 ish

[AngeloV]

For the record, I find it difficult to believe the Argos have only 5k ST holders. I'm much more in agreement with the number Flutie02 has said. Believe it or not, there are corporate ST holders, and I do believe they receive other perks in lieu of the pre-season game at varsity. I also don't believe the Argos average 15k a game in non ST holders.

[Ron]

Makes sense to me that corporate do not have to purchase preseason games that they can't get rid of.

[Ballstothewall]

Way to look extremely petty bringing up a post from almost a year ago.
Don't worry about Mulder, it's not worth the effort

[Tau Ceti]

3,500 STH according to Bob McCown. Mark Cohon didn't dispute him on the number. Holy jeepers.

Edit: oops, I appear to have missed an entire thread devoted to this!