2014 Season Player Movement Thread

[T-Bone]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash">#Argos</a> have added DL Dexter Davis to the Practice Roster. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a> <a href="http://t.co/xCX7l8jlYy">pic.twitter.com/xCX7l8jlYy</a></p>&mdash; Toronto Argonauts (@TorontoArgos) <a href="https://twitter.com/TorontoArgos/statuses/494106109058510848">July 29, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[gilthethrill]

Welcome back....

[Wobbler]

DB LeQuan Lewis was released from the PR today.

[Argo57]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-cards="hidden" lang="en"><p>The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash">#Argos</a> have added DL Dexter Davis to the Practice Roster. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a> <a href="http://t.co/xCX7l8jlYy">pic.twitter.com/xCX7l8jlYy</a></p>&mdash; Toronto Argonauts (@TorontoArgos) <a href="https://twitter.com/TorontoArgos/statuses/494106109058510848">July 29, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Seattle parted ways with Davis due to a "chronic" hip injury.

[Argocister]

I take it Davis will be better than Tripp that we let go prior to the season start... Tripp was signed by the tabbies.

[Will]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash">#Argos</a> announce they have added SB/KR <a href="https://twitter.com/TrentGuy3284">@TrentGuy3284</a> to the Practice Roster. Welcome back Trent! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a> <a href="http://t.co/uqOwxg3jyM">pic.twitter.com/uqOwxg3jyM</a></p>&mdash; Toronto Argonauts (@TorontoArgos) <a href="https://twitter.com/TorontoArgos/statuses/498820109344178176">August 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>So any bets on the next <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash">#Argos</a> receiver to come out of retirement? Paul Masotti, Tony Miles, Pinball, Mookie or Terry Greer?</p>&mdash; William Gertler (@willge87) <a href="https://twitter.com/willge87/statuses/498834461933711361">August 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[Wobbler]

LB Nick Rosamonda was signed to the PR on Thursday and has been activated for the game tomorrow. He spent part of last year with Hamilton.

[gilthethrill]

LB Nick Rosamonda was signed to the PR on Thursday and has been activated for the game tomorrow. He spent part of last year with Hamilton.

Obvious replacement for the injured LB Nick Willams....

[gilthethrill]

A report in the Winnipeg Sun Newspaper reports Chad(wick) Rempel has been released by the Chicago Franchise of the NFL. Mike O'Shea has reported an interest in the National player. Would he help the Argos? I can't complain about what young Jake Reinhardt has done this season.

[paulwoods13]

Reinhart has been just fine, and is at least five years younger (and accordingly cheaper) than Rempel. I see no need to bring Chad back to fill a position that doesn't need filling.

[AngeloV]

Reinhart has been just fine, and is at least five years younger (and accordingly cheaper) than Rempel. I see no need to bring Chad back to fill a position that doesn't need filling.

+1 on this. From the pre-season I noticed that Reinhart had great snaps. IMO, he has had great zip and accuracy. No need for a change there.

[ArgoRavi]

I agree with Paul and AV. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Reinhart has done an excellent job, is younger, and likely makes less than Rempel. Rempel gave up his job in Toronto to seek employment in Chicago and his Toronto job is no longer available. Winnipeg makes a lot more sense for him given his relationship with O'Shea and because I am sure that the Bombers would like to free up Ian Wild from the long-snapping duties.

[Will]

http://www.tsn.ca/cfl/story/?id=460268

[AngeloV]

http://www.tsn.ca/cfl/story/?id=460268

I hope this (the Anderson rumour) is going to happen. One thing you can say about the Argos in recent years is that they have not had a lot of jerks on the team, and as a result, they had good team chemistry. Anderson is a big time jerk and the sooner he is out, the better.

As for Johnson, I was very disappointed in what seemed like an unwillingness to get involved in physical contact. Steele is much more slender, yet he gives a tonne of effort and doesn't slow down when he sees a hit coming.

[AngeloV]

I wonder if the Argos have any desire to go after Alex Hall, as he was released by the Carolina Panthers. He had a great deal of success playing under Tim Burke in Winnipeg.

[gilthethrill]

I wonder if the Argos have any desire to go after Alex Hall, as he was released by the Carolina Panthers. He had a great deal of success playing under Tim Burke in Winnipeg.

Hall would be a nice addition. However, if the team is unable to come to terms with National LB Cory Greenwood, I doubt they will come up with enough $$ to sign Hall or any other high profile FA...

[Will]

Sinkfield was also released in addition to Johnson and (yes) Anderson. Somehow Darvin Adams remains on the team.

[AngeloV]

Somehow Darvin Adams remains on the team.

Yeah, I don't get that one either. He just doesn't seem to have any explosiveness.



Hall would be a nice addition. However, if the team is unable to come to terms with National LB Cory Greenwood, I doubt they will come up with enough $$ to sign Hall or any other high profile FA...

I've already read that the Bombers and Lions have no interest in him. He may not cost all that much.

[gilthethrill]

So, how do you release a receiver (Sinkfield) when that group is decimated by injuries? Who replaces him? Do you recall him when another receiver goes down due to injury? It just seems inevitable this year...

[ArgoRedneck]

Dial 416 340 2217 to hear coach M media conferance starts at 2.

Use passcode 5746285 and follow instructions. When asked by recording your name and who you work for just hit # key.

[ArgoRavi]

All I can say about Adams is that Milanovich told the TSN people recently that he likes the way that Adams blocks. He certainly has not be anywhere near as productive on offence as I had hoped he would be but perhaps his blocking and special teams work keeps him on the team.

Regarding Sinkfield, he just didn't seem to "get it". He appeared to have trouble adapting to the offence and the Canadian game.

[AngeloV]

So, how do you release a receiver (Sinkfield) when that group is decimated by injuries? Who replaces him? Do you recall him when another receiver goes down due to injury? It just seems inevitable this year...

I'm guerssing that Gill and Fason will be the next up. I'm guessing that Durie and maybe even Chiles will be back this week.

[ColdCrusty78]

Sinkfield was also released in addition to Johnson and (yes) Anderson. Somehow Darvin Adams remains on the team. I can't handle watching Adams anymore, just hurts my soul *single tear*

[ArgoRavi]

I'm guerssing that Gill and Fason will be the next up. I'm guessing that Durie and maybe even Chiles will be back this week.

Milanovich said today that Durie is questionable and Owens is doubtful for Labour Day. Apparently, they were happy with the MRI results on Owens' knee though so he should hopefully be back again soon. Matt Black seems likely to play on Labour Day as well.

[Argo-Les]

now tht we cut sum bums
lets get sumbody in there !

[Argo-Les]

sinkfield and adams are plugs!
we need help now!

[Skinny G]

I wouldn't mind seeing some other guys on the defensive side of the ball get in...Marcus Thomas, Kyle Moore, Dexter Davis, Donald Washington... btw... was Ware that inconsistent he's staying on the PR?

[ArgoRavi]

Generally some positive news here: http://www.argonauts.ca/video/index/id/101593

Owens is a "maybe" for Labour Day, while Durie and SirVincent Rogers are looking good. Chris Van Zeyl is banged up but hopefully can play on Monday while Antwaun Molden has, surprisingly, retired.

[flafson]

How the hell a player that is playing just retires mid season? Never seen that happen before. Maybe he's hurt and there is more to it than just retired.

[paulwoods13]

Given that first-year guys often make in the range of $50k, it's not that surprising to me if a guy decides he's had enough of the punishment that comes with football.

[Wobbler]

Molden played last week like a guy who was already retired. The contrast between his effort in the BC game and Edmonton game was pretty shocking.

[ArgoRavi]

I put this in the Dwight Anderson thread because his name had been raised there but thought I would put this here as well: <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Hearing once Evan McCollough signs with <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash">#Argos</a> he&#39;ll go on practice roster <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a></p>&mdash; Matthew Scianitti (@TSNScianitti) <a href="https://twitter.com/TSNScianitti/statuses/505784712208855040">August 30, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[Stevoman]

Should've signed him after game #1! Hopefully he'll get back to 2012 form.

[Argo57]

I put this in the Dwight Anderson thread because his name had been raised there but thought I would put this here as well: <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Hearing once Evan McCollough signs with <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash">#Argos</a> he&#39;ll go on practice roster <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a></p>&mdash; Matthew Scianitti (@TSNScianitti) <a href="https://twitter.com/TSNScianitti/statuses/505784712208855040">August 30, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Great move bringing him back, had a great season in 2012.

[Wobbler]

I'm not going to get my hopes up. He had a good season with Hamilton last year but did have some injury problems. When Hamilton cut him at the end of camp this year I assumed that either he had lost a step or that they had decided to go with less expensive replacements. And then when no one signed him... well, it looked like it must be the former.

It'll be nice if he can help us, though.

[gilthethrill]

With the addition of McCullough to the PR, I now count 11 bodies on that roster. I thought the limit was 10, so does someone get deleted? I notice Antuawn Molden who reportedly retired earlier this week is still on the 46. I guess the entire website will get updated closer to game time. Getting anxious....

[ArgoRavi]

With the addition of McCullough to the PR, I now count 11 bodies on that roster. I thought the limit was 10, so does someone get deleted? I notice Antuawn Molden who reportedly retired earlier this week is still on the 46. I guess the entire website will get updated closer to game time. Getting anxious....

Practice rosters are expanded around this time of year to accommodate NFL cuts. I am not sure what the limit is now but it does increase at this time IIRC.

[Wobbler]

I don't think the PR expansion (from 10 to 15 players) happens until 30 days after NFL cut down day, Ravi.

[jerrym]

I've loved McCollough's play since he arrived in Toronto in 2010. Considering that only first year franchise Ottawa has given up more points per game than Toronto, he could be an important addition to the Argo defence if he is healthy and has not lost much speed.

[jerrym]

I'm sorry to see Molden retire as he showed so much promise early on, but Paul is right that first year players usually don't get much more than the league minimum, so for some of them there is not much temptation to stick around if the shine wears off the holy grail of a professional football career, or if injuries start taking an observable toll on one's health.

[Qman]

I don't think the PR expansion (from 10 to 15 players) happens until 30 days after NFL cut down day, Ravi.


this is because with most teams, the nfl cuts are only given a look for next years TC fodder, not to play this year. useless you have major injuries at one position

[Ballstothewall]

I know Cory Greenwood, was signed by the Lions (NFL) but he got hurt, does anyone know his status

[ArgoRavi]

I know Cory Greenwood, was signed by the Lions (NFL) but he got hurt, does anyone know his status

Greenwood was released by Detroit two weeks ago and has, apparently, been negotiating with the Argos but they have been unable to reach an agreement.

[Argocister]

Greenwood was released by Detroit two weeks ago and has, apparently, been negotiating with the Argos but they have been unable to reach an agreement.

Where's that like button? ...... \|. Like

[ArgoRavi]

The Argos have added one QB and released two, including Casey Pachall: http://www.argonauts.ca/article/argos-sign-qb-kilgore-db-johnson

[paulwoods13]

The Argos have added one QB and released two, including Casey Pachall: http://www.argonauts.ca/article/argos-sign-qb-kilgore-db-johnson

That's interesting. I thought both Pachall and Smith looked like pretty decent long-term prospects.

[AngeloV]

That's interesting. I thought both Pachall and Smith looked like pretty decent long-term prospects.

I'm pretty surprised by this as well. Wonder if Pachall didn't want to stick around and not get a game cheque any longer.

[gilthethrill]

I vaguely remember Johnson in his first stint as a Argo. Another interesting thing is why was the "C" in Pachall silent?

[argolio]

We signed Ed Kilgore's son??

[ArgoRavi]

I'm pretty surprised by this as well. Wonder if Pachall didn't want to stick around and not get a game cheque any longer.

Didn't Pachall's father think that he was going to come to the CFL and start right away? If the son had a similar attitude maybe he got discouraged when he realized that he wouldn't have that chance for another few years.

[AngeloV]

Didn't Pachall's father think that he was going to come to the CFL and start right away? If the son had a similar attitude maybe he got discouraged when he realized that he wouldn't have that chance for another few years.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

[gilthethrill]

I hope this post is relevant to this thread. I notice Argo 2014 draft pick, Windsor U receiver Evan Pzconek (sp) is tearing up the OUA after 2 games, averaged over 24 yrd per catch on 13 grabs, 4 going for scores. I know he is a little undersized, but I would like to see him come back to camp in 2015.

[ArgoGabe22]

I hope this post is relevant to this thread. I notice Argo 2014 draft pick, Windsor U receiver Evan Pzconek (sp) is tearing up the OUA after 2 games, averaged over 24 yrd per catch on 13 grabs, 4 going for scores. I know he is a little undersized, but I would like to see him come back to camp in 2015.

Haven't heard from OV in awhile, wonder what he thinks. Anyways, he be picked up by another team as a free agent when the CIS season finishes before the Argos even get a chance.

[gilthethrill]

Haven't heard from OV in awhile, wonder what he thinks. Anyways, he be picked up by another team as a free agent when the CIS season finishes before the Argos even get a chance.

I was wondering about OV as well....If he replies I expect a good tongue lashing for spelling Pzconek name wrong! :)

[doubleblue]

Didn't Pachall's father think that he was going to come to the CFL and start right away? If the son had a similar attitude maybe he got discouraged when he realized that he wouldn't have that chance for another few years.

Unless Pachall has a NFL team interested in him, he could get a look from some of the other CFL teams that have lost QB's to the injury bug. The guy has a big time accurate arm from what I saw in TC. Apparently the NFL passed on him because of off field problems in the last draft.

[ArgoRavi]

Unless Pachall has a NFL team interested in him, he could get a look from some of the other CFL teams that have lost QB's to the injury bug. The guy has a big time accurate arm from what I saw in TC. Apparently the NFL passed on him because of off field problems in the last draft.

Other CFL teams might take a look at him but it still won't solve his Dad's problem with wanting him on the field right away. At best he would move into the #3 spot in a place like Saskatchewan but that is the best he can hope for at this point.

[Argo]

Good article: http://www.argonauts.ca/article/rossetti-returns-from-lengthy-productive-scouting-tour

(http://www.argonauts.ca/article/rossetti-returns-from-lengthy-productive-scouting-tour)Please feel free to successfully upgrade the team : )

[ArgoRavi]

Regarding Underwood, his release is somewhat surprising but I am guessing that he never returned to the team after leaving in mid-week. Milanovich had expected him back after a one-day absence IIRC as per an interview posted on argonauts.ca.

Underwood has addressed the reason, according to him at least, for his release on Twitter:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>So if I would&#39;ve known that visiting my daughter who just had surgery because she was born with Gastroschsis would&#39;ve have cost me my job</p>&mdash; Brandon Underwood (@Bunderwood8) <a href="https://twitter.com/Bunderwood8/status/509098743455809536">September 8, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>I still would&#39;ve have went home, there are things more important than football in life.</p>&mdash; Brandon Underwood (@Bunderwood8) <a href="https://twitter.com/Bunderwood8/status/509098888071229440">September 8, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Keep job or go visit sick infant in hospital, not even multiple choice. So yeah I&#39;m unemployed</p>&mdash; Brandon Underwood (@Bunderwood8) <a href="https://twitter.com/Bunderwood8/status/509099886361735168">September 8, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[AngeloV]

Wow...if he was released for going home under those circumstances, that is a bunch of B.S. and kind of embarrassing. I wonder if the lack of funds available for football operations played into this. Perhaps cutting him was the only way to get in another body.

[Will]

If true, that reflects extremely poorly on the Argonauts and Canadian Football League.

Angelo, I would take it further and say it is extremely embarrassing.

Isn't there some recourse through the CFLPA?

[gilthethrill]

Wow...if he was released for going home under those circumstances, that is a bunch of B.S. and kind of embarrassing. I wonder if the lack of funds available for football operations played into this. Perhaps cutting him was the only way to get in another body.

Is the CFLPA involved in this???

[argonaut11xx]

While it sounds menacing.....only 1 side of this story is public (underwoods side, via twitter)

I hope the Argonauts do address the allegations, and IF they are completely true, its a cold hearted move.

[Argo57]

While it sounds menacing.....only 1 side of this story is public (underwoods side, via twitter)

I hope the Argonauts do address the allegations, and IF they are completely true, its a cold hearted move.

Would be disappointing if true, but quite frankly doesn't sound like Barker or Milanovich's style.
Barker to me has always erred on the side of being more than fair to the players, (encouraging Sewell to go back to school) and willfully releasing guys to pursue their NFL aspiration (Armstead, Ball, Inman, Thorpe) all in the spirit of not burning any bridges regarding players returning to the Argonauts.
Although somewhat frustrating as a fan I actually admire the Argonauts for this policy so I am hoping that there is a plausible explanation in this case.

[AngeloV]

I guess we do need to hear the Argos side of the story. Could be they had no idea of the situation and treated him as an AWOL player.

[ArgoRavi]

I guess we do need to hear the Argos side of the story. Could be they had no idea of the situation and treated him as an AWOL player.

I suspect that is what happened. Milanovich initially said to Zicarelli that week that Underwood's absence was no big deal and that he would be back the next day IIRC. What I suspect happened is that they never heard from Underwood after that first day and were unable to get in touch with him. At that point, they may have assumed that he had left permanently.

Jarriel King left the team for a week after the second Saskatchewan game but he had the team's permission to do so. King's tweets that week indicated that he was spending time with his family but never mentioned anything further. In any event, the Argos knew in advance, gave their permission and then welcomed him back after the game that he missed in Montreal.

[gilthethrill]

I realize this post maybe moved, but Hamilton has released International (formerly known as Import) RB/KR Lindsay Lamar. He ran a KO for a TD in last seasons opener against the Argos. He had concussion issues, but if he is healthy I think he could help our horrible return game...

[Wobbler]

This week we:

- put Marcus Thomas back on the IR
- activated Herve Tonye-Tonye from the PR
- de-activated Shane Herbert (back to the PR)
- signed wide receiver Greg Childs to the PR

I think that Thomas was hurt in the second quarter of the Hamilton game; he quietly disappeared at about that time. I hope it's a minor injury; he really seems like our best nose tackle option if we want to feature more 3-4 for whatever reason (Jones, Greenwood, etc.).

Childs is an very interesting addition. He has a prototypical NFL WR body, was very good on a good Razorbacks team, and became a fourth round pick by the Vikings in 2012. But... he suffered a horrible injury in camp and wrecked both knees (http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp12/story/_/id/8236282/minnesota-vikings-wr-greg-childs-tears-tendons-knees) (two patellar tendon tears). If that's not bad enough, he had previously torn one of them in college. I'm definitely rooting for him! He and 'dre should swap injury horror stories.

[paulwoods13]

Thomas has the most nose tackle-like body, but considering how few snaps he has played in his two games, I'm no longer counting on him to play a big role for us. He gets hurt every time he gets on the field.

[ArgoGabe22]

I realize this post maybe moved, but Hamilton has released International (formerly known as Import) RB/KR Lindsay Lamar. He ran a KO for a TD in last seasons opener against the Argos. He had concussion issues, but if he is healthy I think he could help our horrible return game...

Speaking of Hamilton, they have worked out Chad Rempel.

[Wobbler]

Thomas has the most nose tackle-like body, but considering how few snaps he has played in his two games, I'm no longer counting on him to play a big role for us. He gets hurt every time he gets on the field.
Thomas was consistently healthy in his NFL days and seemed quite fit during limited action with us late last year. I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. He probably didn't report in game shape (after hoping and failing to attract NFL interest) and suffered a fluke injury in his return last week. It's far too early to give up on a guy that we can't currently replace.

[Argocister]

Speaking of Hamilton, they have worked out Chad Rempel.

Thats okay, I think Reinhart is doing well. Listening to Swazye on all access, they are a team.

[ArgoRavi]

Getting back to the Underwood issue, I thought that I would post his latest tweets that provide more detail from his viewpoint as to what led to his release:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>I just read that I was released because I didn&#39;t bother to show up for a practice! How the hell can I do that when no one bothers</p>&mdash; Brandon Underwood (@Bunderwood8) <a href="https://twitter.com/Bunderwood8/status/509679065071374336">September 10, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>To tell me that since we didn&#39;t have a practice facility at the time that it had been switched!??</p>&mdash; Brandon Underwood (@Bunderwood8) <a href="https://twitter.com/Bunderwood8/status/509679213038010369">September 10, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Tired of people lying on me straight up</p>&mdash; Brandon Underwood (@Bunderwood8) <a href="https://twitter.com/Bunderwood8/status/509679274077716480">September 10, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>We practiced at a facility all week and the day I get back no one bothers to inform me that they switched sites!</p>&mdash; Brandon Underwood (@Bunderwood8) <a href="https://twitter.com/Bunderwood8/status/509679486879952896">September 10, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>I&#39;m suppose to know that I guess, one day at a high school next who knows!</p>&mdash; Brandon Underwood (@Bunderwood8) <a href="https://twitter.com/Bunderwood8/status/509679609445900289">September 10, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>I have one facility on my schedule and had no idea they changed the site the day I get back, but that&#39;s my fault?! How do you figure</p>&mdash; Brandon Underwood (@Bunderwood8) <a href="https://twitter.com/Bunderwood8/status/509680493861031937">September 10, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>But then that&#39;s apparently my fault for being out of the country, should&#39;ve been a mind reader.</p>&mdash; Brandon Underwood (@Bunderwood8) <a href="https://twitter.com/Bunderwood8/status/509681492189261824">September 10, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[ArgoRavi]

Thats okay, I think Reinhart is doing well. Listening to Swazye on all access, they are a team.

That was the risk that Rempel took when he headed to Chicago. Nobody is going to hold your job for you. Reinhart is younger and probably makes much less money than Rempel at this point too.

[AngeloV]

Getting back to the Underwood issue, I thought that I would post his latest tweets that provide more detail from his viewpoint as to what led to his release:



Definitely very unfortunate. They Argos do post their practice schedule on their website, but I don't think players should need to check the website to find out where they need to report for practice. Looks like the lack of a practice facility cost him his job, and that is a shame.

[doubleblue]

Sounds like Milanovich was making an example out of Underwood. Do you think that Ricky Ray would have been cut for missing a practice if he just returned from a family emergency and the practice facility has changed? Argos have brought in two veteran DB's and may have been planning on making changes there any way.

[paulwoods13]

Thomas was consistently healthy in his NFL days and seemed quite fit during limited action with us late last year. I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. He probably didn't report in game shape (after hoping and failing to attract NFL interest) and suffered a fluke injury in his return last week. It's far too early to give up on a guy that we can't currently replace.

I'm not giving up on him, but as I said I am not counting on him.


Definitely very unfortunate. They Argos do post their practice schedule on their website, but I don't think players should need to check the website to find out where they need to report for practice. Looks like the lack of a practice facility cost him his job, and that is a shame.

Remarkably, every other player somehow found out where that practice was taking place. And as far as I know they have all found the other locations as well. Players bear some responsibility for finding these things out, IMO.

[AngeloV]

Remarkably, every other player somehow found out where that practice was taking place. And as far as I know they have all found the other locations as well. Players bear some responsibility for finding these things out, IMO.

Understood, but every other player wasn't out of town the day before either. He may be totally at fault, but who knows for sure?

[Nob]

Terrell Sinkfield with the punt return td for the Cats.

Fitting......

[Double Dare]

Terrell Sinkfield with the punt return td for the Cats.

Fitting...... Yep, traded and he plays a good game. Must be the coaching or something.

[Nob]

I wish we had traded him. Then we would have at least received something in return. Instead the Argos released him and kept Darvin Adams..... 'Nuff said.

Plus it was the Cats 3rd different player with a kick return. Third. And the Argos have a guy who fumbles the ball on the opening kickoff two weeks in a row, and let's the ball bounce on punts. The Argos return teams have been just awful.

[argonaut11xx]

OK..after reading the TWEETS posted....i get why the Argo's released him.

If you work for a company that works "off-site", its YOUR responsibility as an employee to know where and when to be the job starts.

So, it seems Underwood is shirking some responsibility here. How did the balance of the team KNOW when and where to show up for practice?

That said, the bigger issue is the fact the Argo's have been practice NOMADS, thankfully they have settled in the new facility at downsview, now no excuses for anyone.

[doubleblue]

It will be interesting to see if any other team picks Underwood up. He wasn't quite a game changer but he is a pretty good player IMO.

[AngeloV]

It will be interesting to see if any other team picks Underwood up. He wasn't quite a game changer but he is a pretty good player IMO.

I agree..and he was getting better as he was adjusting to the Canadian game.

[Argocister]

Terrell Sinkfield with the punt return td for the Cats.

Fitting......

While watching that I was wondering .... Did we ever see him run north south with us?

[AngeloV]

While watching that I was wondering .... Did we ever see him run north south with us?

That was an easy return. It was a short, line drive punt that he caught going forward. He pretty well had no choice but to keep going up field rather than sideline to sideline there. Bad decision by the Riders management not to bring in a punter to replace the injured Bartell. Milo is a horrible punter.

[Argo]

I agree..and he was getting better as he was adjusting to the Canadian game.

I meant to post on this topic (Underwood) before. It seems that if Underwood's tweeted complaints are justified, one has to ask (after adding another dimension to, um, Cluster Space) "WTF is going on with the Argos?".

...Just noticed post #81; nevertheless, it's possible that Argos' coaches / management failed to properly communicate (Underwood was absent, with leave, after all) and, having done so, proceeded to quickly and recklessly cut a promising player.

[D-Gap-Willie]

I meant to post on this topic (Underwood) before. It seems that if Underwood's tweeted complaints are justified, one has to ask (after adding another dimension to, um, Cluster Space) "WTF is going on with the Argos?".

...Just noticed post #81; nevertheless, it's possible that Argos' coaches / management failed to properly communicate (Underwood was absent, with leave, after all) and, having done so, proceeded to quickly and recklessly cut a promising player.

It would be nice if the Argos would address this once and for all - something just does not ring true. Barker's normal actions are to err on the side of player in such situations. That being so, one would expect him to have been suspended, pending clarification of the situation. Barker would normally release a player only for football reasons ( don't want him anymore) or at the players request. Could it be that Barker said to "Suspend him" and somebody doing an unfamiliar job in the front office chaos, filed a "release" with the CFL office.

[Will]

There are two distinct aspects of the Argos front office. Those who work at the office on King West and those who work at presumably Downsview. I guess it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility that the on-field aspect is also in chaos, but someone at King West likely wouldn't be filing such papers with the league office and even, if so, wouldn't a mistaken transaction be fixed?

[Argocister]

It would be nice if the Argos would address this once and for all - something just does not ring true...........

That's not going to happen. All private information , and they cannot jeopardize any future possibilities for Underwood.
It's peculiar that Underwood would reach to twitter for a false release problem .... Wouldn't the CFLPA be the better place to voice your concerns? He is/was a member.

[D-Gap-Willie]

There are two distinct aspects of the Argos front office. Those who work at the office on King West and those who work at presumably Downsview. I guess it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility that the on-field aspect is also in chaos, but someone at King West likely wouldn't be filing such papers with the league office and even, if so, wouldn't a mistaken transaction be fixed?

I'm well aware that normally the King St office, and those who have been working from the back seats of their cars,( now all at Downsview ??) are quite distinct. I was merely proposing a bizarre hypothesis for what is a very unusual event. Unfortunately, the world turns to wild theories in the absence of full explanations.

I don't know how you would fix " a mistaken transaction" - don't think you can contact the CFL office and say "Whoops, I made a mistake", but perhaps I am wrong.

[doubleblue]

Well I guess Underwood is History now and we have to move on. How long does Milanovich wait before making a move at MLB? Emry for what ever reason is not the player he used to be in Montreal. Seven seasons of hard hitting head knocking may have caught up with him. IMO Jones would be a much better player full time at that position but it is a ratio position. Greenwood appears to be waiting in the wings but probably not at what the Argos are offering, but if Emry was off the books more SMS money would be available. BTW what's the story on Tonye-Tonye? Thought he had a fairly good rookie season last year rotating in at rush end even though he appears to be MLB size.

[ArgoZ]

I meant to post on this topic (Underwood) before. It seems that if Underwood's tweeted complaints are justified, one has to ask (after adding another dimension to, um, Cluster Space) "WTF is going on with the Argos?".

...Just noticed post #81; nevertheless, it's possible that Argos' coaches / management failed to properly communicate (Underwood was absent, with leave, after all) and, having done so, proceeded to quickly and recklessly cut a promising player.

Companies are put in situations where employees are habitually late or worse, constant no-shows. Of course, there are always great excuses and maybe they are all legit. There comes a time where an employees' personal problems start affecting everyone's work and companies are forced to part ways, at least until they get their life in order. Usually when this happens, the employee goes on the defensive and claims atrocities, while the employer respectfully stays quite. I am not saying this happened to Underwood, but there is definitely more to the story than we know and due to privacy, it's none of our business.

[Argo57]

Well I guess Underwood is History now and we have to move on. How long does Milanovich wait before making a move at MLB? Emry for what ever reason is not the player he used to be in Montreal. Seven seasons of hard hitting head knocking may have caught up with him. IMO Jones would be a much better player full time at that position but it is a ratio position. Greenwood appears to be waiting in the wings but probably not at what the Argos are offering, but if Emry was off the books more SMS money would be available. BTW what's the story on Tonye-Tonye? Thought he had a fairly good rookie season last year rotating in at rush end even though he appears to be MLB size.

Emry has been a huge disappointment so far, poor tacking, bad pursuit angles and tentative reactions have plagued him this season to date perhaps he is still adjusting to a new organization, teammates and readjusting to Burke's system, having said that he has too good of a track record to warrant giving up on him too soon.

[Wobbler]

Childs is an very interesting addition. He has a prototypical NFL WR body, was very good on a good Razorbacks team, and became a fourth round pick by the Vikings in 2012. But... he suffered a horrible injury in camp and wrecked both knees (http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp12/story/_/id/8236282/minnesota-vikings-wr-greg-childs-tears-tendons-knees) (two patellar tendon tears). If that's not bad enough, he had previously torn one of them in college. I'm definitely rooting for him! He and 'dre should swap injury horror stories.
Childs was released today. Too bad - that could have been a fun comeback story. I assume that he just can't run well enough, since it's not like we need the PR slot (with expansion happening in a few days).

[gilthethrill]

Childs was released today. Too bad - that could have been a fun comeback story. I assume that he just can't run well enough, since it's not like we need the PR slot (with expansion happening in a few days).

I read his NFL Draft Profile, he was a sure fire #1 pick had it not been for that injury. Maybe Mann & Chiles are ready to return to action as well, thus deeming the youngster expendable.

[Stouffvillain]

That sucks. Really liked Chiles. I don't think any receivers that have the same skill set as Chiles can play to the level he could play at. If he couldn't play at that level anymore it makes sense to release him. Shame

[Wobbler]

Childs ≠ Chiles

[Stouffvillain]

Childs ≠ Chiles

Haha good catch. I obviously misread that. Phew

Thanks Wobbler

[Wobbler]

NP! I agree that Chiles was impressive in 2013 and hope he can do *something* this year. At this point the boundary WR spot is Brazill's to lose.

[AngeloV]

NP! I agree that Chiles was impressive in 2013 and hope he can do *something* this year. At this point the boundary WR spot is Brazill's to lose.

Agree. I think what Brazill has done at wideout is rather impressive. He may not have the raw speed of Chiles, but in his short time here, he has looked rather smooth at that position.

[Stouffvillain]

Trent Guy has been released

Toronto Argonauts ‏<s>@</s>TorontoArgos (https://twitter.com/TorontoArgos) <small class="time"> 1m1 minute ago (https://twitter.com/TorontoArgos/status/516959250267242497) </small> <s>#</s>Argos (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash) announce the release of SB/KR Trent Guy. <s>#</s>CFL (https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash)

[Skinny G]

I wonder if the Argos gave any thought to bringing in Paris Jackson? Though he's now signed with Edm: http://www.tsn.ca/eskimos-sign-veteran-wide-receiver-jackson-1.94868

[Qman]

I wonder if the Argos gave any thought to bringing in Paris Jackson? Though he's now signed with Edm: http://www.tsn.ca/eskimos-sign-veteran-wide-receiver-jackson-1.94868

paris is done. knees are gone. couldn't even crack ottawa's lineup

[ArgoRavi]

paris is done. knees are gone. couldn't even crack ottawa's lineup

I totally agree. I am very surprised that another team gave Paris Jackson another chance.

[AngeloV]

I totally agree. I am very surprised that another team gave Paris Jackson another chance.

Obviously Akeem Foster is on Chris Jones' crap list. He did take a penalty last game. I really thought he was going to be a star after his rookie season in B.C.

[Wobbler]

Trent Guy was released today. With all due respect to him, this is a good sign for the team. Our receiving corps is finally getting healthy enough that we don't need the emergency replacements any more. I'm curious to see whether we can keep Mo Mann around when he is healthy - he'd be a nice insurance policy for the stretch drive. I would guess Gill will be the next to go, but who knows how our staff feels about Adams and Fayson these days.

[Argo57]

Trent Guy was released today. With all due respect to him, this is a good sign for the team. Our receiving corps is finally getting healthy enough that we don't need the emergency replacements any more. I'm curious to see whether we can keep Mo Mann around when he is healthy - he'd be a nice insurance policy for the stretch drive. I would guess Gill will be the next to go, but who knows how our staff feels about Adams and Fayson these days.

Adams would be on my list as well, has only shown that he isn't goo enough IMO.
Indeed a good sign guys are getting healthy again, long may that continue!!

[Wobbler]

Well, now we know that they still like Fayson - he came off the IR and was put on the PR. As for the rest of the banged-up receivers, I'd guess:

- Gill: released
- Adams: released
- Chiles: active roster
- Watt: active roster
- Mann: IR for the rest of the year, as a reserve

[Stouffvillain]

Durie on 6 game IR. Everyone reporting he's likely out for the year. These guys just can't catch a break this year.

[ColdCrusty78]

TSN is reporting that Shane Horton has been released after personally requesting it.

[ArgoRavi]

TSN is reporting that Shane Horton has been released after personally requesting it.

He will probably end up in Edmonton with all of the other former Argos. Horton just didn't seem to fit Burke's defence as he did Jones'.

[doubleblue]

Sorry to hear that. He is a player and is good at PR to the public. He will find another job soon I would think.

[gilthethrill]

He will probably end up in Edmonton with all of the other former Argos. Horton just didn't seem to fit Burke's defence as he did Jones'.

Would not be surprised if Horton is on Edmonton's sideline tomorrow....very good player. Wish we could have found a way to use his talent.

[Argo57]

Disturbing trend continues, young talented player wants out of the Argo organization and we get screw all in return.
I agree with Ravi and Gill Edmonton is a good bet but don't rule out Horton surfacing in the Hammer as well.

[ArgoRavi]

Disturbing trend continues, young talented player wants out of the Argo organization and we get screw all in return.
I agree with Ravi and Gill Edmonton is a good bet but don't rule out Horton surfacing in the Hammer as well.

I am not sure I would agree that it is a disturbing trend as Horton just didn't seem to fit into the Argos' plans. Here are a couple of tweets from Matt Scianitti about this issue:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Horton was set to be a FA this offseason &amp; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash">#Argos</a> tried to sign extension. But he didnt sound sure of his future when we spoke wks ago <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a></p>&mdash; Matthew Scianitti (@TSNScianitti) <a href="https://twitter.com/TSNScianitti/status/518133758483243008">October 3, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>His playing time and his role appear to reasons why Shane Horton&#39;s time ended w <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash">#Argos</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a></p>&mdash; Matthew Scianitti (@TSNScianitti) <a href="https://twitter.com/TSNScianitti/status/518134953780183040">October 3, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[paulwoods13]

Horton has seen less and less playing time and was basically beaten out by Jones, who appears to be a way better player and a potential all-star. I cannot remember a single big play Horton has made this season, and he was quite invisible over the second half of last season. So it's hardly a major loss.

[ArgoGabe22]

But is it right for Horton to ask for a release? Much different than the Argos releasing him for football reasons. If you're demoted to a backup, then be the backup and support the team. This just has "quitter" written all over. Horton is a great guy so this just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[paulwoods13]

If he did ask for his release, he needed to go. No room for that attitude on a team. So the org did the right thing.

And again, other than a game or two near the end of 2012 and some games early last season, he has done virtually nothing to warrant being a starter, IMO.

[ArgoRavi]

I thought that this was another interesting tweet about Horton: <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>And I&#39;m hearing Horton has already been in contact w players on other teams - esp <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ticats?src=hash">#Ticats</a> -attempting to feel out other situations <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a></p>&mdash; Matthew Scianitti (@TSNScianitti) <a href="https://twitter.com/TSNScianitti/status/518134169428574208">October 3, 2014</a></blockquote>
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I agree that if Horton wanted out that badly, there is no point keeping him around. The Ticats, btw, sure seem to like bringing in the Argos' cuts so I wouldn't be surprised to see him there if he doesn't end up in Edmonton.

[ArgoZ]

But is it right for Horton to ask for a release? Much different than the Argos releasing him for football reasons. If you're demoted to a backup, then be the backup and support the team. This just has "quitter" written all over. Horton is a great guy so this just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

I don't like it either. It's an embarrassing outcome, which makes the team and league look amateur. The season is coming to an end, he might as well stick it out and change teams in the off-season. One team injury and his playing time increases.

[paulwoods13]

I don't like it either. It's an embarrassing outcome, which makes the team and league look amateur. The season is coming to an end, he might as well stick it out and change teams in the off-season. One team injury and his playing time increases.

So we should force a guy to stay when he does not want to be here? What impact would that have on morale, team unity, etc.? IMO if someone quits on you, you cut him loose asap.

[ArgoZ]

So we should force a guy to stay when he does not want to be here? What impact would that have on morale, team unity, etc.? IMO if someone quits on you, you cut him loose asap.

No and yes I understand that the Argos made the right decision with a bad situation, but I stand by my comments that it's bothersome and embarrassing at this time of the season. I'm more disappointed in Horton than anything. The team is pushing for a playoff spot, he is a decent and popular player, there must be more to it. Players should not be allowed to just quit and then go sign with a rival like the Cats before the playoffs.

[ArgoRavi]

No and yes I understand that the Argos made the right decision with a bad situation, but I stand by my comments that it's bothersome and embarrassing at this time of the season. I'm more disappointed in Horton than anything. The team is pushing for a playoff spot, he is a decent and popular player, there must be more to it. Players should not be allowed to just quit and then go sign with a rival like the Cats before the playoffs.

The only entity that looks bad in this situation is Horton himself. I am not sure that the Ticats even have interest in Horton. Their defence is playing well and seems fairly settled finally so I doubt that they have much need for him. At this point in the season, Horton is going to have difficulty landing a starting job anywhere in the league. He may have been better off biding his time in Toronto and waiting to see if any injuries occurred which would have opened up some playing time for him.

[paulwoods13]

No and yes I understand that the Argos made the right decision with a bad situation, but I stand by my comments that it's bothersome and embarrassing at this time of the season. I'm more disappointed in Horton than anything. The team is pushing for a playoff spot, he is a decent and popular player, there must be more to it. Players should not be allowed to just quit and then go sign with a rival like the Cats before the playoffs.

I understand your disappointment in Horton, but he made his bed and he has to lie in it. There is no way to prevent a guy from bailing other than suspending him, which has its own unpleasant implications. It's cleaner to say adios to someone who is not even close to a core player. If he goes to the Ticats, so be it. Isaac went to the Cats last season, causing an outcry on this forum. He did little to help the Cats, ended up out of football, and some of us felt his removal was best for the Argos (addition by subtraction). Will Horton make out better? We'll see, but I am not holding my breath.

[Argocister]

I liked Horton in many plays ..... I don't watch the Defense with a critical eye though.

With the group of releases and players leaving I wonder how much influence DA had on attitude? Just a thought .... No evidence.

[gilthethrill]

Horton never saw the active roster after Jon Cornish had a field day in the 2nd half of that Calgary come back. Coaches must have thought a change had to be made there. Enter Greg Jones who has looked great along side Emry.

[Stouffvillain]

Disappointed to hear about Horton. I didn't find out until I heard it on the TSN Radio pre-game show. Seems like the roster is in a stat of continuous flux this season. Hope Horton doesn't come back to hurt us down the stretch by making a big play against us.

[ArgoRavi]

Hope Horton doesn't come back to hurt us down the stretch by making a big play against us.

It would be the first big play he has made all season. ;)

[Stouffvillain]

It would be the first big play he has made all season. ;)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>.<a href="https://twitter.com/Darth_ShaneO">@Darth_ShaneO</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ArgosLive?src=hash">#ArgosLive</a> RT <a href="https://twitter.com/sladurantaye">@sladurantaye</a>: Oh man that&#39;s a smoking. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/argos?src=hash">#argos</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/redblacks?src=hash">#redblacks</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/cfl?src=hash">#cfl</a> <a href="http://t.co/fjEI602m6z">http://t.co/fjEI602m6z</a></p>&mdash; Toronto Argonauts (@TorontoArgos) <a href="https://twitter.com/TorontoArgos/status/490289478100344832">July 19, 2014</a></blockquote>
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That vine was a pretty good play.

[Wobbler]

I think we've (quietly) entered the expanded PR period, judging by the calendar and the fact that Hamilton now has 13 players on their practice roster. Presumably we can expect to see a few guys brought in for late season looks. It would be nice to see a few receivers brought in; I'm not convinced that we've found a long-ish term solution at boundary WR. Brazill will probably be back in the NFL next year, it isn't clear whether Chiles will ever return to form, and does anyone think Adams or Fayson will be the answer?

[Will]

Ask and you shall receive:

Practice roster expands, Argos add six (http://argonauts.ca/article/practice-roster-expands-argos-add-six?utm_source=social&utm_medium=hootsuite&utm_campaign=twitter)

[gilthethrill]

I recall Butler being with the team briefly during TC before he retired. I like the fact the team signed a big DL in Cummings...maybe he could help out where IR residents Kyle Moore & Marcus Thomas have been unable to.

[Wobbler]

Ask and you shall receive:

Practice roster expands, Argos add six (http://argonauts.ca/article/practice-roster-expands-argos-add-six?utm_source=social&utm_medium=hootsuite&utm_campaign=twitter)
Seems like a good mix of positions. No one with an outstanding resume, but they all look like reasonable candidates.

[Wobbler]

We signed WR Mark Harrison to the PR today. He's probably most famous for his involvement in the "hotel room incident" at the 2013 NFL combine (http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2013/story/_/id/9187853/deandre-hopkins-mark-harrison-occupied-trashed-hotel-rooms-combine-sources-say), but apparently had a good pre-season with the Chiefs this year (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=90115&draftyear=2013&genpos=WR).

[primetime1]

Mark Harrison is an intriguing prospect that brings size and speed but not necessarily consistency. Hopefully, he can impress the coaching staff and get a shot to play before the end of the regular season. I would like to see him on the inside on the opposite side to Chad Owens to see what he can do.

[doubleblue]

Mark Harrison is an intriguing prospect that brings size and speed but not necessarily consistency. Hopefully, he can impress the coaching staff and get a shot to play before the end of the regular season. I would like to see him on the inside on the opposite side to Chad Owens to see what he can do.

He was also timed at 4.38 in College which is good for anybody, but exceptional for a man 6'3 230. WR/KR Surgent also has some promise, reading up on him. Hopefully they can show something. I can't get very excited about any of the new import receivers Barker brought to TC this year.

[Stouffvillain]

Interested to see if what Harrison can contribute in the little time left in the season. He brings athleticism, size, speed and youth. Perhaps this is a move with a little bit of an eye towards the future. At 23 years old he can potentially be a big piece moving forward if not for this season.

[Wobbler]

With his youth and size, I doubt that Harrison has given up on the NFL just yet. Hopefully he'll use this opportunity to establish some pro credentials (like Inman) rather than as a free gym membership.

[ArgoRavi]

Interested to see if what Harrison can contribute in the little time left in the season. He brings athleticism, size, speed and youth. Perhaps this is a move with a little bit of an eye towards the future. At 23 years old he can potentially be a big piece moving forward if not for this season.

I will be surprised if he gets into the lineup this season. I think that bringing him now is to have a "look-see" and lay the groundwork for him potentially returning at some point in the future. However, if the Argos can win their next three games which would render their final game meaningless, he would likely see some playing time there.

[Argo57]

With his youth and size, I doubt that Harrison has given up on the NFL just yet. Hopefully he'll use this opportunity to establish some pro credentials (like Inman) rather than as a free gym membership.

Looks like a physical beast with great speed, could be interesting!!

[jerrym]

It isn't clear whether Chiles will ever return to form, and does anyone think Adams or Fayson will be the answer?

After last week's game, it's clear now.

[Argo57]

After last week's game, it's clear now.

Yes, but hopefully he can stay healthy.

[Wobbler]

We signed another receiver today: Kashif Moore (http://www.cincyjungle.com/2012/5/5/3000776/bengals-get-a-possible-gem-in-udfa-kashif-moore). We don't have any room on the PR, so he was added to the 46 man roster. He's a small quick WR/KR type.

[gilthethrill]

The financial situation of the team has been discussed at length this season, but it is good to see that the coaching staff is able to bring in new talent for the PR. I don't think we had much of a PR in 2009.

[Argo57]

We signed another receiver today: Kashif Moore (http://www.cincyjungle.com/2012/5/5/3000776/bengals-get-a-possible-gem-in-udfa-kashif-moore). We don't have any room on the PR, so he was added to the 46 man roster. He's a small quick WR/KR type.

Sounds like the type of PR/KR we badly need!

[Argocister]

We signed another receiver today: Kashif Moore (http://www.cincyjungle.com/2012/5/5/3000776/bengals-get-a-possible-gem-in-udfa-kashif-moore). We don't have any room on the PR, so he was added to the 46 man roster. He's a small quick WR/KR type.

Looks like an Alexander Fox type .... I wonder if he's still around.

[ArgoRavi]

It seems today that the only position you can bring a guy in off the street and have in the lineup right away is kickoff returner. Hopefully Moore can improve the Argos' field position although we don't want him returning many kickoffs anyway.

EDIT: I just noticed that Moore has been placed on the one-game injured list so we won't be seeing him just yet.

[jerrym]

With more than 200 yards in kick and punt returns last week against the Argos and more than 100 yards running, receiving and returning against Ottawa last night, it looks like the Argos never made full use of his skills while they had him. I liked his performance in preseason games but he didn't seem to be well utilized when the opportunity arose due to all the Argo receiving injuries.

[ArgoRavi]

I just noticed on the Argos' website that Jason Barnes is listed as being on the 1 game injured list while he was listed as being on the 6 game injured list on the depth chart for the Montreal game. One of those has to be incorrect and I am hoping that it is the depth chart. The way Milanovich was talking earlier this week, it did not sound as though Barnes was nursing a long-term injury. Hopefully both Barnes and Watt will be back in the lineup for the Hamilton game.

[Argo]

Cutting Terrell Sinkfield was well-nigh idiotic.

[AngeloV]

Cutting Terrell Sinkfield was well-nigh idiotic.

Easy to say in hindsight, but I remember him getting cut up by more than a few members of this site while he was playing here.

[Argo]

Easy to say in hindsight, but I remember him getting cut up by more than a few members of this site while he was playing here.

Yes, it is easy to say in hindsight. I still don't understand the logic behind summarily cutting the very speedy Sinkfield (while keeping, instead, a couple of other newbies with less upside).

[ArgoGabe22]

Yes, it is easy to say in hindsight. I still don't understand the logic behind summarily cutting the very speedy Sinkfield (while keeping, instead, a couple of other newbies with less upside).

I believe after the Hamilton game, where Sinkfield cost them the TD on the return, Milanovich said Sinkfield was cut because his head just wasn't in the game and just didn't have the right mindset.

[gilthethrill]

The Toronto Argonauts Football Team has announced the release of International receiver Lavon Brazil & International DE Ezra Butler.

That is all.

[1argoholic]

Never liked Brazil but he was good enough to start all those games and then dumped. He just looked very average to me. The revolving door continues to hit guys in the arse on the way out.

[paulwoods13]

The Toronto Argonauts Football Team has announced the release of International receiver Lavon Brazil & International DE Ezra Butler.


Brazill has dressed for the past few games, so this presumably means we will either get Barnes back in the lineup or see one of the PR receivers for the first time.

[ArgoRavi]

Never liked Brazil but he was good enough to start all those games and then dumped. He just looked very average to me. The revolving door continues to hit guys in the arse on the way out.

The bottom line is that Brazill just did not produce when given an opportunity and he has had a chance to start the last few games. He would have to go under the category of "huge disappointment" as he appeared to have much potential when he signed with the Argos.

[AngeloV]

Can't help but wonder if Brazill asked for his release. As a former NFLer, he may have felt slighted to not be on the starting receiving core.

[ArgoRavi]

Can't help but wonder if Brazill asked for his release. As a former NFLer, he may have felt slighted to not be on the starting receiving core.

I thought that he was starting or at least playing a fair bit, AV. I just assumed that he wasn't getting any passes thrown his way as he wasn't getting open.

[AngeloV]

I thought that he was starting or at least playing a fair bit, AV. I just assumed that he wasn't getting any passes thrown his way as he wasn't getting open.

He was relegated to part time play against Hamilton, and I honestly only saw him on KO return Sunday.

[Stouffvillain]

Disappointed in what we saw from Brazill. Didn't play at a high level and couldn't be trusted on kick returns.

[gilthethrill]

I notice all the members of the PR have been released with the exception of OL Brannon Braxton & big WR Mark Harrison. Well Wobbler, the Robert Gill experiment appears to have ended :)

[Wobbler]

I notice all the members of the PR have been released with the exception of OL Brannon Braxton & big WR Mark Harrison. Well Wobbler, the Robert Gill experiment appears to have ended :)
We'll see! Guys that are "familiar with our offense" have a habit of reappearing on the roster. I sincerely hope that our talent and health levels will be sufficiently improved that we don't need him next year, though.

[ArgoGabe22]

Well there is an article on NFL abuse mentioning former Argo, Brandon Underwood who had a strange release. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/18/sports/wives-in-domestic-abuse-cases-say-nfl-culture-made-them-feel-trapped.html?_r=0

[ArgoRavi]

Well there is an article on NFL abuse mentioning former Argo, Brandon Underwood who had a strange release. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/18/sports/wives-in-domestic-abuse-cases-say-nfl-culture-made-them-feel-trapped.html?_r=0

Both of the players mentioned are now in the CFL. I didn't realize that Underwood had been picked up by Calgary. Hopefully he has no problem finding their practice field. Underwood, of course, has some tweets about this article: <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Smh some people are so thirsty for attention</p>&mdash; Brandon Underwood (@Bunderwood8) <a href="https://twitter.com/Bunderwood8/status/534496613834584064">November 18, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Let the past die why do people insist on bringing up old stuff</p>&mdash; Brandon Underwood (@Bunderwood8) <a href="https://twitter.com/Bunderwood8/status/534496741664370688">November 18, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>The media doesn&#39;t even report the truth just what people wanna hear, truth isn&#39;t very exciting much</p>&mdash; Brandon Underwood (@Bunderwood8) <a href="https://twitter.com/Bunderwood8/status/534496866205855745">November 18, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[Argo57]

Both of the players mentioned are now in the CFL. I didn't realize that Underwood had been picked up by Calgary. Hopefully he has no problem finding their practice field. Underwood, of course, has some tweets about this article: <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Smh some people are so thirsty for attention</p>&mdash; Brandon Underwood (@Bunderwood8) <a href="https://twitter.com/Bunderwood8/status/534496613834584064">November 18, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Let the past die why do people insist on bringing up old stuff</p>&mdash; Brandon Underwood (@Bunderwood8) <a href="https://twitter.com/Bunderwood8/status/534496741664370688">November 18, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>The media doesn&#39;t even report the truth just what people wanna hear, truth isn&#39;t very exciting much</p>&mdash; Brandon Underwood (@Bunderwood8) <a href="https://twitter.com/Bunderwood8/status/534496866205855745">November 18, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Have to wonder why CFL (or any team) would sign a guy like this, I suspect they "overlook" a lot of these issues due to the NFL resume, regarding Underwood in particular his play with Toronto was rather underwhelming to be kind.
Sure he wants to "let the past die" and simply carry on playing football, I'm glad articles and incidence such as these are exposed, to me it also should cause embarrassment to organizations such as Toronto for actually signing him.

[ArgoRavi]

Have to wonder why CFL (or any team) would sign a guy like this, I suspect they "overlook" a lot of these issues due to the NFL resume, regarding Underwood in particular his play with Toronto was rather underwhelming to be kind.
Sure he wants to "let the past die" and simply carry on playing football, I'm glad articles and incidence such as these are exposed, to me it also should cause embarrassment to organizations such as Toronto for actually signing him.

I tend to agree, Argo57. Underwood seems like an individual who refuses to take individual responsibility for his mistakes when you look at the incidents with his wife along with the practice field incident with the Argos. It seems to always be someone else's fault. I get the idea of giving people a second chance but it seems as though these second chances in football, more often than not, don't end well. I think that it comes down to whether the player has matured or not. Underwood still seems to have some growing up to do.

[doubleblue]

Can't help but wonder if Brazill asked for his release. As a former NFLer, he may have felt slighted to not be on the starting receiving core.

I think the Colts asked for his release. He was back on their roster Nov 17. The Argos then signed S David Sims who had been with the Colts. Low grade trade?

[ArgoRavi]

I think the Colts asked for his release. He was back on their roster Nov 17. The Argos then signed S David Sims who had been with the Colts. Low grade trade?

There is no sign of Brazill on the Colts' current roster: http://www.colts.com/team/roster.html

He was supposed to be suspended for this entire NFL season anyway.

[doubleblue]

There is no sign of Brazill on the Colts' current roster: http://www.colts.com/team/roster.html

He was supposed to be suspended for this entire NFL season anyway.

His suspension was lifted November 17, 2014 according to the Colts web site I viewed.

[doubleblue]

His suspension was lifted November 17, 2014 according to the Colts web site I viewed.

TSN ----- NFL ---- Indianapolis Colts ---- Transactions. November 17 Lavon Brazill suspension lifted. BTW I wonder how he was allowed to play in the CFL while under suspension in the NFL. I thought the Ricky Williams saga changed that loop hole.

[gilthethrill]

TSN ----- NFL ---- Indianapolis Colts ---- Transactions. November 17 Lavon Brazill suspension lifted. BTW I wonder how he was allowed to play in the CFL while under suspension in the NFL. I thought the Ricky Williams saga changed that loop hole.

I think the difference between Brazill & Williams is this...Brazill was suspended, then cut by the Colts, thus making him a FA, allowing him to sign anywhere except the NFL. Williams was suspended, never cut by Miami, thus he was still property of the NFL's Dolphins.