August 17, 2014: BC Lions vs. Toronto Argonauts

[T-Bone]

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Week 8
Sunday, August 17, 2014 at 7:30pm EDT.
Rogers Centre. Toronto, ON.

TV: TSN (http://www.tsn.ca/cfl/feature/?id=508)
Video Webcast: TSN Go (http://www.tsn.ca/go/) - ESPN3 (http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index/_/type/upcoming/sport/football/search/CFL/)
Radio: BC: TEAM 1040 (http://www.teamradio.ca/bc-lions.aspx) - TOR: TSN 1050 (http://www.tsn.ca/toronto/feature/?id=43622)
Audio Webcast: BC: Here (http://player.1040.teamradio.ca/) - TOR: Here (http://www.tsn.ca/toronto/listen/)
Satellite Radio: SiriusXM (http://www.siriusxm.ca/sports-schedules/cfl/)

Depth Charts: BC: Here (http://www.bclions.com/page/depthchart) - TOR: Here (http://www.argonauts.ca/depthchart/list/team/7/year/2014)

Pre-Game Preview: Here (http://argonauts.ca/article/argos-to-host-lions-on-sunday-night)

Post-Game: Shoeless Joe's (http://www.shoelessjoes.ca/) at 276 King St W (https://maps.google.ca/maps?q=276+King+St.+W.&hnear=276+King+St+W,+Toronto,+Toronto+Division,+On tario+M5V+3C6&gl=ca&t=m&z=16)

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Tickets Available: Here (http://www.argonauts.ca/page/toronto-argonauts-tickets) or at Rogers Centre Gate 9 Box Office (http://www.rogerscentre.com/events/tickets.jsp)

Post-Game Update: Argos Fall to Lions (http://argonauts.ca/article/recap-argos-host-lions)

Final Score: 33-17

[Will]

Señor Landry on twitter said that Mann (hamstring) and Slaton (unknown) are doubtful for this game.

[1argoholic]

We'll be pulling guys off the street to suit up at this point. One step forward and four steps back. I've never seen injuries this bad to one teams rb's and receivers. All early in the year as well.

[Argo57]

We'll be pulling guys off the street to suit up at this point. One step forward and four steps back. I've never seen injuries this bad to one teams rb's and receivers. All early in the year as well.

I have contacted the Argonauts for a tryout, I run the 40 in 16 seconds with a 3" vertical, Argoholic if you can beat that give them a call!!

[AngeloV]

Señor Landry on twitter said that Mann (hamstring) and Slaton (unknown) are doubtful for this game.

Milanovich post game said that Slaton suffered a stinger.

Andrew Harris listed as doubtful and Dante Marsh out for the Lions.

[argotom]

I am calling for the Mash unit to piece together a second win in a row.
Will be away for the next 2 weeks, let's keep it together team and fellow posters.
Go Argos.

[Will]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Changes to the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash">#Argos</a> 46-man.... ON: LB <a href="https://twitter.com/AntwaunMolden">@AntwaunMolden</a> RB Jeremiah Johnson SB <a href="https://twitter.com/JayBarnes81">@JayBarnes81</a> OFF: LB Robinson RB Slaton WR Mann <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a></p>&mdash; Toronto Argonauts (@TorontoArgos) <a href="https://twitter.com/TorontoArgos/statuses/500657702008524800">August 16, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[flafson]

Looks like Barnes is in the lineup!

[Wobbler]

Maurice Mann, John Chiles, and Jarred Fayson have each been added to the 6-game IR. We now have 10 players on our 6-game list, which is terrible, but Edmonton actually has more (11). I'd take their list over ours, though, because it's a pretty even mix of positions.

[argolio]

Maurice Mann, John Chiles, and Jarred Fayson have each been added to the 6-game IR. We now have 10 players on our 6-game list, which is terrible, but Edmonton actually has more (11). I'd take their list over ours, though, because it's a pretty even mix of positions.It never ends!

Hopefully we'll get through the next three games before the bye without any more damage, and we can field a healthier line-up for the stretch run.

[gilthethrill]

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I am glad to see Molden back in the lineup, as for Robinson, is he hurt? If not I would dress him in front of Rosamunda...he (Robinson) has played well this season IMO. <SCRIPT src="https://syndication.twitter.com/tweets.json?ids=500657702008524800&lang=en&callback=twttr.tfw.callbacks.cb0&suppress_response_codes=true" async="async"></SCRIPT>

[Neely2005]

Maurice Mann, John Chiles, and Jarred Fayson have each been added to the 6-game IR. We now have 10 players on our 6-game list, which is terrible, but Edmonton actually has more (11). I'd take their list over ours, though, because it's a pretty even mix of positions.

Brutal. Hopefully some of these guys can get healthy soon.

[Stevoman]

All comes down to how well the Argos D confuses and frustrates Kevin Glenn. The more they can get to him or force him to make quick decisions, the more mistakes he is likely to make. Even with our makeshift offence, I feel like we can score enough points but our D needs to be big.

[ArgoRavi]

With Hamilton losing again today, the Argos have an opportunity to take a stranglehold on the East Division over the next week. In a scheduling quirk, the Ticats will have two games in hand on the Argos when they play on Labour Day.

[Wobbler]

It's somewhat reassuring that we've achieved some stability in the secondary. On the chart Smith and Underwood have swapped positions this week, but we've been fielding essentially the same five guys for several weeks. I thought it was quite telling that when Ware came off the IR a few days ago he went to the PR; we seem to like the current guys.

[paulwoods13]

We need to find a way to win against B.C. and in Edmonton to take a huge lead in the division, and then start getting healthy. It is brutal that we have lost three more receivers (especially Chiles) for six games. We have to get some new receivers in here for depth purposes, but good luck to them learning the offence. We also need to really get the run game established -- made an excellent start on that last Tuesday, now let's build on it.


It's somewhat reassuring that we've achieved some stability in the secondary. On the chart Smith and Underwood have swapped positions this week, but we've been fielding essentially the same five guys for several weeks. I thought it was quite telling that when Ware came off the IR a few days ago he went to the PR; we seem to like the current guys.'

I agree. Secondary has looked good of late. I hope Molden picks up where Robinson left off because Robinson has been playing quite well.

[Wobbler]

It seems that (http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/Lions+rush+back+quarterback+Travis+Lulay/10112762/story.html) Travis Lulay is essentially ready to return. BC isn't going to sit the "player of the week", but I won't be surprised if Lulay takes his first reps of 2014 tomorrow. Hopefully it'll be after Glenn throws his fourth interception...

[Argocister]

GAME DAY TORONTO!!! Are you ready ? .....sorry guys I think I need a twitter account.
:D

Looking forward to a fun game ..... Looking forward to seeing Barnes ...and Molden....... Looking forward to an open dome?
I want to see the D and O continue their progression from the last 2 games ..... And shutting the QBs down from the Lions.
Big test for our secondary as the Lions have some good receivers, but I think the Argos can handle it.

And I want to hear it from the crowd! I'm bringing a bunch of fans so we will be doing our part.
Have a good game everyone and GO ARGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS!

[Deerkeeper]

Pretty quite here. Everyboby must be at the game. 10 to 3 now and it looks like the Argos may finally be beginning to arrive for the game.

[dmont]

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Receivers are not impressive so far. Butterfingers.

[Argo]

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Receivers are not impressive so far. Butterfingers.

In that case... "Earth to Argonauts receiving corps: catch the freaking football; you're all adults that have been playing football for years".

[dmont]

In that case... "Earth to Argonauts receiving corps: catch the freaking football; you're all adults that have been playing football for years".

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It's that they're not making any tough catches. With our guys it has to be delivered right on the money for there to be any chance of a catch. A little high, or a defender nearby, or God forbid, the need to stretch, and forget about it.

[Wobbler]

Yeah... well, I'd say zero drops so far. BC has done a great job of hurrying Ray, and his accuracy has suffered.

[Wobbler]

Jeremiah Johnson is back to useless mode this week. Slow or weak might be acceptable, but not both.

[dmont]

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Special teams are going to lose this game for us unless they shape up.

[larz-7]

taking a break from watching are we still losing

[larz-7]

take it that its, in the books.too bad had a gut feeling we would take this .

[1argoholic]

Glad I decided not to go at the last minute. Thought I'd fall asleep on the hour drive to the Oshawa GO. At least I'm home and don't have the long trek after a crap game.

I could barely watch as those Argo uni's where a FARCE. The only thing Reebok left out was a blue glitter handbag. At least the Argos showed their softer sides tonight. Chicks dig that.

Ray was pressured and waiting on receivers all night long. Bad combo. He started tossing off of his back leg and sailing balls. Receivers who have no clue how to get open. The O line SUCKED! Oh have I mentioned SCREW ROGERS and it's jays. The great schedule just gets better every year. No home dates now for six weeks.

Basically they never stood a chance between the schedule and the lovely fashions. Now those uni's can be burned.

[larz-7]

Glad I decided not to go at the last minute. Thought I'd fall asleep on the hour drive to the Oshawa GO. At least I'm home and don't have the long trek after a crap game.

I could barely watch as those Argo uni's where a FARCE. The only thing Reebok left out was a blue glitter handbag. At least the Argos showed their softer sides tonight. Chicks dig that.

Ray was pressured and waiting on receivers all night long. Bad combo. He started tossing off of his back leg and sailing balls. Receivers who have no clue how to get open. The O line SUCKED! Oh have I mentioned SCREW ROGERS and it's jays. The great schedule just gets better every year. No home dates now for six weeks.

Basically they never stood a chance between the schedule and the lovely fashions. Now those uni's can be burned.
my wife whom thinks the argos uniforms are the best in the league really did not like theses ones and her comments were close to were you are coming from lol.

[MEEZY]

I'm sure the Ray bashers will be out in full force tonight.

[Argo57]

Glad I decided not to go at the last minute. Thought I'd fall asleep on the hour drive to the Oshawa GO. At least I'm home and don't have the long trek after a crap game.

I could barely watch as those Argo uni's where a FARCE. The only thing Reebok left out was a blue glitter handbag. At least the Argos showed their softer sides tonight. Chicks dig that.

Ray was pressured and waiting on receivers all night long. Bad combo. He started tossing off of his back leg and sailing balls. Receivers who have no clue how to get open. The O line SUCKED! Oh have I mentioned SCREW ROGERS and it's jays. The great schedule just gets better every year. No home dates now for six weeks.

Basically they never stood a chance between the schedule and the lovely fashions. Now those uni's can be burned.

Good call not to go, I was on the GO heading back to Burlington by halftime.

[Will]

Disappointing game. The defense kept the Argos in it for as long as they possibly could, but you could start to notice them tire as the second half wore on. Logan had a big game running the ball. In essence what the Argos were able to do to Winnipeg is what British Columbia was able to do to the Argos. First half, I thought in particular the defense played well though.

Offensively and special teams a much different story. Tim Brown had a great game returning punts for the Lions, of bigger concern is that he's the second PR who has burned the Argos in the span of a week. The Lions were able to shift the momentum back to themselves with a Brown PR. The offensive line was horrible tonight, which led to much of Ray's struggles. BC has a very good d-line, and it's evident that the Argos have struggled against the better d-lines in the country. How many 2nd and shorts were the Argos unable to convert?

[larz-7]

from what i seen our oline was out matched tonight .Yes Ray had a few bad throws but he also had ones that our receivers should of caught .Run game. the man of steele didnt have the legs to carry the pile like he did last week .Dont understand why we didnt try the likes of our big guy in Dupuis to take a shot.Our defense did what they could ,was a mater of time before they ran out of steam.

[Stevoman]

Well given the short week, the injury riddled receiving corpse (yes I spelt that right), the feeble looking uniform, errrr who am I kidding, those are all excuses and we remember what Pinball said about those. We had the lead with 10 minutes to go in the game, inexcusable to let it be so easily taken from us. Another thing that bugged me tonight and on Tuesday for that matter, was how some of our defenders against the convert just stand there. I get that there is a 0.09% chance that they are going to be able to block it, but I hate that they don't even wave their arms or jump trying to distract the kicker. Just another sign that our special teams need better accountability. I'm okay with losing if maximum effort is given but not when anyone takes plays off. Also, I really look forward to Owens returning so that Sinkfield can stop returning punts.

[294life]

Must be a conspiracy to assure that the Redblacks can stay in the playoff race right to the end so they don't lose half their fanbase by September lol.

[larz-7]

Well given the short week, the injury riddled receiving corpse (yes I spelt that right), the pansy uniform, errrr who am I kidding, those are all excuses and we remember what Pinball said about those. We had the lead with 10 minutes to go in the game, inexcusable to let it be so easily taken from us. Another thing that bugged me tonight and on Tuesday for that matter, was how some of our defenders against the convert just stand there. I get that there is a 0.09% chance that they are going to be able to block it, but I hate that they don't even wave their arms or jump trying to distract the kicker. Just another sign that our special teams need better accountability. I'm okay with losing if maximum effort is given but not when anyone takes plays off. Also, I really look forward to Owens returning so that Sinkfield can stop returning punts.
Could it be that the guy whom retired at halftime, be the next special teams coach.i am totally ok if he starts tomorrow

[Rich]

Could it be that the guy whom retired at halftime, be the next special teams coach.i am totally ok if he starts tomorrow

I am totally down with this. Tomorrow is perfect. I can't remember when Argo special teams were this bad.

[Rich]

I'm sure the Ray bashers will be out in full force tonight.

What would make you say that?

You are practically acknowledging that Ricky was not at the top of his game last night. I think all of us could agree to that. I certainly wouldn't say he's the reason we lost, but he's not entirely blameless either.

I can think of four or five bad passes in key situations that he missed, that might have made a difference in the outcome. Look, there was so much working against the Argo offence tonight -- all those injuries, short week, tough opponent -- that there was no way we were going to win if Ricky was going to play sub-par (for him) football.

We can't ask any QB to be at the top of his game 100% of the time. But 50% isn't good enough when his team really needs more from him. When a great team faces difficult circumstances, its top players need to raise the level of their game to have any chance of winning.

[gilthethrill]

Watched the first 3 quarters last night then up at 4am to catch the 4th before going to work at 5am. I thought Logan Harrel was disruptive all night, easliy his best game. Shea Emry has really stepped up the last 3 games, out D looked good, but in the 4th the short week just caught up with them. A couple plays here & there (Underwood should have had a pick), Tim Brown killed us all night (huge illegal block on his first big return that was missed)...overall, the Argos did lead going into the 4th, which was a huge feat. Edmonton can be beaten Saturday.

I hate losing to a Kevin Glenn lead team....

BTW What was the attendance? It seems CFL boxscores have gotten away from posting attendance...

[Double Dare]

I could barely watch as those Argo uni's were a FARCE. The only thing Reebok left out was a blue glitter handbag. At least the Argos showed their softer sides tonight. Now those uni's can be burned.

Ya, the "gay"dars were sure pinging around those powder blue & white, fluffy uniforms last night. No wonder the Argos lost, having to play looking, and feeling like twinks, while BC was dressed for success and dark evil.

[doubleblue]

Watched the first 3 quarters last night then up at 4am to catch the 4th before going to work at 5am. I thought Logan Harrel was disruptive all night, easliy his best game. Shea Emry has really stepped up the last 3 games, out D looked good, but in the 4th the short week just caught up with them. A couple plays here & there (Underwood should have had a pick), Tim Brown killed us all night (huge illegal block on his first big return that was missed)...overall, the Argos did lead going into the 4th, which was a huge feat. Edmonton can be beaten Saturday.

I hate losing to a Kevin Glenn lead team....

BTW What was the attendance? It seems CFL boxscores have gotten away from posting attendance...

X2. This was a very intense game on the line of scrimmage and the Argos just ran out of gas in the 4th quarter. Like someone else mentioned, I was hoping Milanovich would try some passes to one of their TE/FB's (Robinson or Dupuis) as the WR's couldn't get open. Hope they can get King back on the Oline as Smith wears down when playing full time. BC has a good defense but I believe a healthy rested Argo team can beat them.

[Argos23]

Attendance was a season high 18,283.

[paulwoods13]

I'm sure the Ray bashers will be out in full force tonight.

You mean the gay bashers? Because that's what some of the comments about the uniform sound like to me.

[paulwoods13]

Special teams are a complete mess. We can't break a punt return, rarely gain much on kickoff returns, and surrender massive return after massive return. I am starting to see why Sask fans hated Daley so much.

The defence played well overall, a couple of costly breakdowns but otherwise stout against the pass, with good pressure on the QB from Harrell, Okpalaugo and Rosamonda. But too many times we got burned by runs on plays where it was obvious B.C. was going to run.

The o-line, especially Van Zeyl and Smith, got completely manhandled. Sask has a great pass rush but IMO B.C. has the nastiest, biggest front seven in the league. That defence of theirs looked really strong, albeit against a weak receiving corps that is held together at the moment by dental floss.

Ricky missed some passes -- I think he over-reacted at times to the pressure he was getting. But he also took a ton of hard shots. He should not have been in the game with two minutes left.

Johnson may as well be cut. He still runs tentatively and cannot block, so there's no good reason to keep him other than the fact that Slaton is hurt. I'd bring another back in as soon as one can be found. Is Kackert healthy yet?

[gilthethrill]

You mean the gay bashers? Because that's what some of the comments about the uniform sound like to me.

I thought the uniforms were Flashy...did they not wear all Powder Blue for one season in the late 70's?

[Argocister]

Special teams are a complete mess. We can't break a punt return, rarely gain much on kickoff returns, and surrender massive return after massive return. I am starting to see why Sask fans hated Daley so much.

The defence played well overall, a couple of costly breakdowns but otherwise stout against the pass, with good pressure on the QB from Harrell, Okpalaugo and Rosamonda. But too many times we got burned by runs on plays where it was obvious B.C. was going to run.

The o-line, especially Van Zeyl and Smith, got completely manhandled. Sask has a great pass rush but IMO B.C. has the nastiest, biggest front seven in the league. That defence of theirs looked really strong, albeit against a weak receiving corps that is held together at the moment by dental floss.

Ricky missed some passes -- I think he over-reacted at times to the pressure he was getting. But he also took a ton of hard shots. He should not have been in the game with two minutes left.

Johnson may as well be cut. He still runs tentatively and cannot block, so there's no good reason to keep him other than the fact that Slaton is hurt. I'd bring another back in as soon as one can be found. Is Kackert healthy yet?

I agree with your Paul. Special teams need major improvement. We lost field position in this game to the extreme.

The Oline against a strong front needs help or work. I really hope they can improve by the end of the season.
The offence through most of the game seemed to struggle and I think Ricky stayed in the last few minutes because he wanted more practice against a strong D. He wanted to make something work. You could tell by his scramble to get the first down.

Johnson would've been cut by a few other teams already.

[paulwoods13]

The Oline against a strong front needs help or work. I really hope they can improve by the end of the season.

The surprising thing is that the o-line had played well for three games before collapsing last night. I chalk a lot of that up to a hellacious B.C. front seven, but still. If Wayne Smith is out for any length of time, King will have to come back in, which disrupts the INT/NAT ratio. Last night we started five NATs on O and three on D, which allowed us to sub INT Rosamonda in for NAT Laing when we went to three-four look. We won't be able to do that if King returns to the starting o-line -- an INT would need to come out from the d-line when Rosamonda subs in.

[gilthethrill]

The surprising thing is that the o-line had played well for three games before collapsing last night. I chalk a lot of that up to a hellacious B.C. front seven, but still. If Wayne Smith is out for any length of time, King will have to come back in, which disrupts the INT/NAT ratio. Last night we started five NATs on O and three on D, which allowed us to sub INT Rosamonda in for NAT Laing when we went to three-four look. We won't be able to do that if King returns to the starting o-line -- an INT would need to come out from the d-line when Rosamonda subs in.

If Smith is out for next week, could we chance starting Mitchell at Guard? Was either Mitchell or Adjei dressed last night? Could Adjei start in place of an International Receiver?

[Argo]

Special teams are a complete mess. We can't break a punt return, rarely gain much on kickoff returns, and surrender massive return after massive return. I am starting to see why Sask fans hated Daley so much.
But he also took a ton of hard shots. He should not have been in the game with two minutes left.
Johnson may as well be cut. He still runs tentatively and cannot block, so there's no good reason to keep him other than the fact that Slaton is hurt. I'd bring another back in as soon as one can be found.

When Daley was hired I lamented that fact, using arguably the largest, most colourful font ever seen on this site : ))
Leaving Ray in the game: such things really make you wonder.
Re: Johnson - yes, a better RB needs to be brought on board asap. It shouldn't be difficult to find one. (For that matter, it was always apparent that Charles or Ford would have fit the bill. But noooo...)

[Argo57]

When Daley was hired I lamented that fact, using arguably the largest, most colourful font ever seen on this site : ))
Leaving Ray in the game: such things really make you wonder.
Re: Johnson - yes, a better RB needs to be brought on board asap. It shouldn't be difficult to find one. (For that matter, it was always apparent that Charles or Ford would have fit the bill. But noooo...)

Wonder if the Argos reached out to any of the RB's available not so long ago or did they simply look at the way this franchise is being run and say no thanks??

[1argoholic]

This game is a toss away. The schedule thanks to Rogers has the Argos climbing mountains every year. Just imagine how good this team would have been so far during the Milanovich/Barker era if we had stable ownership, practice facilities and a stadium with favorable schedule. Not to mention the horrid amount of injuries on O at very key positions.

Thinking the uniforms belong on a girls football team isn't gay bashing. It's not like our guys had any option, they didn't created the girly uni's. I just couldn't get over the so called Oxford Blue fading into the Titans Blue. Reebok has been a mess since day one. History has been lacking and they finally got the colours correct on our regular uni's then they toss this mess on the poor players.

[paulwoods13]

Thinking the uniforms belong on a girls football team isn't gay bashing. It's not like our guys had any option, they didn't created the girly uni's.

I'm sorry, but "The only thing Reebok left out was a blue glitter handbag," multiple uses of "girly," and "pansy" (used by another poster) are words of intolerance, plain and simple. You're entitled to your own beliefs, and I am entitled to call out language I find offensive.


If Smith is out for next week, could we chance starting Mitchell at Guard? Was either Mitchell or Adjei dressed last night? Could Adjei start in place of an International Receiver?

Both Mitchell and Adjei were dressed. When Smith went down, Sewell went in at RG. Sewell also played in some short-yardage formations. As far as I could tell Mitchell never stepped on the field. I did not see Adjei on the field although I assume he was probably on some type of return or coverage team. Since he hasn't played more than a snap or two on offence all season, I doubt he is seen as ready to step in as a starter.

[1argoholic]

Paul you are out to lunch on this. Girls use glitter handbags!! The uni's belong on a girls football team. I've said nothing about guys at Pride wearing these uni's. I could care less about the fact if someone is gay or not. You are what you are. Frankly I'm sick of the over sensitive BS that gets slung around. Pansy doesn't suggest gay it suggest wimpy. There's plenty of very tough gay men in this world.
I use the term Pansy often in my line of work. I rather like Pansies especially the many native Ontario varieties. Too bad good works like Pansy, Rainbow, Gay have been hijacked.

The only folks I'm not tolerant of are abusers of women, children, animals, nature and useless trash no matter their heritage.

[Wobbler]

Ya, the "gay"dars were sure pinging around those powder blue & white, fluffy uniforms last night. No wonder the Argos lost, having to play looking, and feeling like twinks, while BC was dressed for success and dark evil.
Try not to post while intoxicated. Here's a tip: If you find yourself agreeing with 1argoholic on anything, you might not be sober enough to post.

[T-Bone]

Paul you are out to lunch on this. Girls use glitter handbags!! The uni's belong on a girls football team. I've said nothing about guys at Pride wearing these uni's. I could care less about the fact if someone is gay or not. You are what you are. Frankly I'm sick of the over sensitive BS that gets slung around. Pansy doesn't suggest gay. There's plenty of very tough gay men in this world.
Paul is not out to lunch. You're comments are sexiest. Another poster made gay bashing comments. These kinds of comments are really unnecessary. You can get your point across with out resorting to them. How you use language is important and it's not about being "over sensitive" as you see it.

[1argoholic]

Nice double standard Wobbler. You'll see my PM. Nazi's are alive and well and running the show on this site.

There is nothing wrong with being girly. It's descriptive as in The Argos Uniforms are girly. I'm in no way suggesting that gay men should be wearing these uniforms and not our Argonauts. I'm pretty sure our women's rugby team wouldn't take offense to the term girly even tough they are tough strong individuals. I'm pretty sure some of the Argos thought the same thing about these uni's.


Our society hasn't become over sensitive? I call BS to that.

I had to black guys sitting on either side of me on a bench a few years back talking over me. They were talking about some guy about twenty feet away. One guy says, Whitey over there, Whitey. I didn't get all up in arms. I just walked away. I had another native guy telling me a story about The Whites. Once again I didn't give a rats arse.

[Double Dare]

Try not to post while intoxicated. Here's a tip: If you find yourself agreeing with 1argoholic on anything, you might not be sober enough to post.

Ha, ha. That's an old, but still extremely funny insult.
If I were you, I would not hesitate to buy one of the new cute uniforms. You would look good prancing up & down the stands.

[T-Bone]

Nazi's are alive and well and running the show on this site.
Really? I think the moderators are more than fair on this board. You get to express your opinion all the time. A few people didn't agree with your opinion, posted theirs and now you're upset. Are you saying if people don't agree with you they shouldn't post their opinions? You can PM me the answer to that. Can we please get this thread back on topic?

[ArgoRavi]

I thought the uniforms were Flashy...did they not wear all Powder Blue for one season in the late 70's?

They wore powder blue jerseys and pants at home during the 1975-76 seasons.

[argolio]

Game thread gets out of control, film at 11.

[Stevoman]

I used the word "Pansy" as a synonym for wimpy. No homosexual connotation intended.

[Wobbler]

Nice double standard Wobbler. You'll see my PM. Nazi's are alive and well and running the show on this site.
Sorry for my earlier harsh comment - I don't actually disagree with *all* of your posts, 1argo.

[ArgoRedneck]

Ditto on special teams. Punt coverage, returns put us in a hole and with a low scoring game may have cost us the win. Need a more balance offence. Establish a run game and it will open up the pass game. We all know that that so don't get why it is not working. I think this offence was built around the pass and protecting the passer and now with a weak reciever core we have neither the run or the pass.

Thank God the rest of the east is a mess right now also. Good year for an expansion team to join, they can actually contend for a playoff spot.

Was at CNE before the game and from the chairlift ride had my1st look at BMO. Yeah if that is the only option, it will work. The end zones though will be a huge project.

[paulwoods13]

Ditto on special teams. Punt coverage, returns put us in a hole and with a low scoring game may have cost us the win. Need a more balance offence. Establish a run game and it will open up the pass game. We all know that that so don't get why it is not working. I think this offence was built around the pass and protecting the passer and now with a weak reciever core we have neither the run or the pass.

Five days earlier we ran for something like 174 yards, so I don't agree we don't have the run as an option, altho I agree this is definitely a pass-first offence. No question Slaton is better than Johnson, but I still think we need to run more. It was interesting (and surprising) to see that we had both Steele and Johnson in the game for a few snaps. I hope (but doubt) Milanovich and Brady are considering some twin-tailback looks.


I used the word "Pansy" as a synonym for wimpy. No homosexual connotation intended.

Regardless of intention, many individuals do perceive that word as anti-gay, or at least intolerant. Given that, I would suggest there is no need to use it when there are other words that don't offend and would still convey the intended meaning.

[ArgoRedneck]

Five days earlier we ran for something like 174 yards, so I don't agree we don't have the run as an option, altho I agree this is definitely a pass-first offence. No question Slaton is better than Johnson, but I still think we need to run more. It was interesting (and surprising) to see that we had both Steele and Johnson in the game for a few snaps. I hope (but doubt) Milanovich and Brady are considering some twin-tailback looks.


And we won that game. The run got the rest of the "O" respect and the other team had to play the run and the pass. Look at the games since we have had our starting recievers out. Our run game is lacking.

[Stevoman]

Well given the short week, the injury riddled receiving corpse (yes I spelt that right), the Argos in their feeble looking uniform, errrr who am I kidding, those are all excuses and we remember what Pinball said about those.

Fixed my post . Adding to the list of excuses/factors for the Argos has to be their upheaval of their practice facility. Shultz had a good column today: http://www.tsn.ca/cfl/story/?id=459666

[ArgoRavi]

And we won that game. The run got the rest of the "O" respect and the other team had to play the run and the pass. Look at the games since we have had our starting recievers out. Our run game is lacking.

The run game was strange last night in that the Argos were getting good first down production generally from it but abysmal production on second and short.

[ArgoRedneck]

The run game was strange last night in that the Argos were getting good first down production generally from it but abysmal production on second and short.

Lots of 2nd and a few and...........here comes Waters for the punt on 3rd. Then the return for half the length of the punt. You are correct Both killed us in a tight game.

Side note. Sick of Rob Ford showing up for photo op at half time. 15 minutes of fame and leaves. Just come watch the game. Got in his face last night and was told by security to "keep my comments to myself." Then I really went off. Love it, if he can dish it (feel good photo op) he also needs to be able to take it.

[AngeloV]

Regarding the punt coverage team...I think it is difficult to cover long punts that are straight down the middle of the field. Waters needs to do a better job of angling his punts between the numbers and the sidelines. Having said that, I realize that on Brown's first big return, the punt was perfect. The coverage was also good, but the tackling wasn't. I fail to see how that is the responsibility of Jim Daley.

[Wobbler]

The run game was strange last night in that the Argos were getting good first down production generally from it but abysmal production on second and short.
I had the same impression after the game, Ravi, but after looking at the stats I see that only two of our seventeen possessions ended with a failure to convert on the ground. And in both cases we were stopped around our own 35, so it's not like we were either near scoring range or trapped near our own end zone.

[paulwoods13]

Regarding the punt coverage team...I think it is difficult to cover long punts that are straight down the middle of the field. Waters needs to do a better job of angling his punts between the numbers and the sidelines. Having said that, I realize that on Brown's first big return, the punt was perfect. The coverage was also good, but the tackling wasn't. I fail to see how that is the responsibility of Jim Daley.

Those are good points. I do wonder if we have the right personnel on special teams when so many returns result in big yardage. When, oh when, is JB going to get Cory Greenwood signed to a contract?

[Rich]

The run game was strange last night in that the Argos were getting good first down production generally from it but abysmal production on second and short.

I think this falls on bad play calling by the coaching staff. If you run for 8 yards on first down, don't line up in the very same formation on second down. Give them a different look, bounce it outside, whatever, just don't run the same play you did on first down.

[doubleblue]

I think this falls on bad play calling by the coaching staff. If you run for 8 yards on first down, don't line up in the very same formation on second down. Give them a different look, bounce it outside, whatever, just don't run the same play you did on first down.

Good point. I remember one time they were 2nd and 1 yard to go. Thought it was a good time to send in Gale for a couple of QB sneaks if neccessary. Instead a Ray handoff to Steele deep in the back field, which everybody including the Lions knew was coming, and a resulted in a loss of a couple yards. Poor play selection IMO. Maybe if Owens was in the game Ricky would have faked the hand off and do a quick out pass, but not with the group he has right now.

[ArgoRavi]

Those are good points. I do wonder if we have the right personnel on special teams when so many returns result in big yardage. When, oh when, is JB going to get Cory Greenwood signed to a contract?

As we have seen many times in the past in such situations, Greenwood's agent has probably advised him to wait until after the NFL season has started just in case anyone needs a veteran linebacker/special teams player due to injury or dissatisfaction with their current players (although any team would likely go for a younger, cheaper player). I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see Greenwood until next season, if ever.