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ArgoRavi
09-01-2014, 07:02 PM
I know that Madani is as negative as they come about the CFL these days (and he does work for Rogers) but I don't doubt what he is saying in the following tweets: <iframe style="width: 1px; height: 0px; border: medium none; position: absolute; visibility: hidden;" class="twitter-tweet twitter-tweet-rendered" allowtransparency="true" id="twitter-widget-0" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"></iframe>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Bad, bad scene emerging with the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash">#Argos</a> scene and the financial ways under the present Braley regime. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a></p>— Arash Madani (@ArashMadani) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArashMadani/statuses/506570653600731136">September 1, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash">#Argos</a> source: "Owner is cheap as (&#$*). We got no bodies left. It's a joke. We practiced at three different locations last week."</p>— Arash Madani (@ArashMadani) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArashMadani/statuses/506570665265086465">September 1, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash">#Argos</a> source: "Meeting rooms at facility can't fit the team.We have curtains as dividers." Can't spend to bring NFL cuts w/ <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a> experience</p>— Arash Madani (@ArashMadani) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArashMadani/statuses/506570695887712256">September 1, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Reading the tea leaves, if present <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash">#Argos</a> ownership/leadership continues, my belief is Scott Milanovich won't return as head coach. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a></p>— Arash Madani (@ArashMadani) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArashMadani/statuses/506571669721608192">September 1, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash">#Argos</a> are operating like the Renegades, straight outta ownership from "Major League." <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a> has not stepped in. Bad look everywhere.</p>— Arash Madani (@ArashMadani) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArashMadani/statuses/506573208376463361">September 1, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Privately, Mark Cohon has told people that David Braley is not a good <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash">#Argos</a> owner. Let's see if the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a> commissioner acts before leaving.</p>— Arash Madani (@ArashMadani) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArashMadani/statuses/506573606722080768">September 1, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Whatever his employers' motives are I cannot really question anything that Madani tweeted.
While many have speculated that Cohon is aware of this, we don't know if and when any action will be taken.
ArgoRavi
09-01-2014, 07:15 PM
Madani worked for the Ottawa Renegades so he knows what he speaks of regarding that particular tweet. Milanovich, many will remember, did not take the Argo HC job in '09 (which eventually went to Bart Andrus) because he did not like the Argo ownership situation at that time so I think that Madani is accurate that Milo will leave if the ownership situation doesn't improve. It looks like we can forget about seeing the likes of Alex Hall in Toronto as Braley is unlikely to shell out the money for such players.
Mark Cohon and the league really need to bring this issue to a head even if it means that the league has to pay Braley off to relinquish the franchise to MLSE. Argos fans have been through enough over the years and certainly do not deserve the current garbage that is going on.
Argo57
09-01-2014, 07:20 PM
I know that Madani is as negative as they come about the CFL these days (and he does work for Rogers) but I don't doubt what he is saying in the following tweets: <iframe style="width: 1px; height: 0px; border: medium none; position: absolute; visibility: hidden;" class="twitter-tweet twitter-tweet-rendered" allowtransparency="true" id="twitter-widget-0" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"></iframe>
Bad, bad scene emerging with the #Argos (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash) scene and the financial ways under the present Braley regime. #CFL (https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash)
— Arash Madani (@ArashMadani) September 1, 2014 (https://twitter.com/ArashMadani/statuses/506570653600731136)
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#Argos (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash) source: "Owner is cheap as (&#$*). We got no bodies left. It's a joke. We practiced at three different locations last week."
— Arash Madani (@ArashMadani) September 1, 2014 (https://twitter.com/ArashMadani/statuses/506570665265086465)
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#Argos (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash) source: "Meeting rooms at facility can't fit the team.We have curtains as dividers." Can't spend to bring NFL cuts w/ #CFL (https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash) experience
— Arash Madani (@ArashMadani) September 1, 2014 (https://twitter.com/ArashMadani/statuses/506570695887712256)
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Reading the tea leaves, if present #Argos (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash) ownership/leadership continues, my belief is Scott Milanovich won't return as head coach. #CFL (https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash)
— Arash Madani (@ArashMadani) September 1, 2014 (https://twitter.com/ArashMadani/statuses/506571669721608192)
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The #Argos (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash) are operating like the Renegades, straight outta ownership from "Major League." #CFL (https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash) has not stepped in. Bad look everywhere.
— Arash Madani (@ArashMadani) September 1, 2014 (https://twitter.com/ArashMadani/statuses/506573208376463361)
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Privately, Mark Cohon has told people that David Braley is not a good #Argos (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash) owner. Let's see if the #CFL (https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash) commissioner acts before leaving.
— Arash Madani (@ArashMadani) September 1, 2014 (https://twitter.com/ArashMadani/statuses/506573606722080768)
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Things seem to be coming to a head and Mark Cohon and the league really need to do something now, even if it means paying Braley to relinquish to the franchise to MLSE. BTW, regarding the tweet referring to the Ottawa Renegades, Madani worked for that organization so he knows first-hand of what he speaks of there.<iframe style="display: none;" allowtransparency="true" id="rufous-sandbox" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"></iframe>
Thanks as always Ravi.
I agree with everything he says.
I posted this past week one of my concern is losing our coach (and I believe he is a good one) if things continue, the damage may already be done, for all of you Milanovich bashers who in their right mind would want to replace him if he leaves and current ownership stays, same for Jim Barker these are really good football men who have been completely neutered by this asshole ownership!!!!
MLSE is no prize at times (see TFC current fiasco) but they at least have tons of cash and suitable facilities for our team.
I am totally disgusted with this whole f**king mess right now, sometimes you have to wonder why we all get so bent out of shape when the owner truly doesn't seem to give a shit!!!
ArgoGabe22
09-01-2014, 07:20 PM
Cohon was on the 1050 pregame show (missed the whole thing) and mentioned something like that the Argos need to move to BMO and that it looks like to be a matter of getting government funding, which is nothing new for some of us.
This is starting to get pretty serious.
paulwoods13
09-01-2014, 07:20 PM
I agree with everything Madani wrote. It is blindingly obvious that Braley is now worse than an absentee owner -- he is deliberately squeezing the organization of the oxygen it needs to operate. We are very close to a full-brown crisis. Cohon has to get this problem solved once and for all, and he doesn't have the remaining eight months of his term to do it. It needs to be done before this season ends.
Cohon was on the 1050 pregame show (missed the whole thing) and mentioned something like that the Argos need to move to BMO and that it looks like to be a matter of getting government funding, which is nothing new for some of us.
This is starting to get pretty serious.
It's way beyond "starting to." This crisis has been growing for months. And if Cohon et al really think govt money is going to magically be bestowed on MLSE to pave the way for us to move to BMO, they sure as hell better have a viable Plan B.
Wobbler
09-01-2014, 07:35 PM
I'm sure that the league is loathe to buy the team even for $0, for perception reasons, so the crisis will probably have to become obvious before anything happens. Creating an obvious crisis in the hopes of improving his bargaining position may be Braley's strategy.
ArgoRavi
09-01-2014, 07:46 PM
I'm sure that the league is loathe to buy the team even for $0, for perception reasons, so the crisis will probably have to become obvious before anything happens. Creating an obvious crisis in the hopes of improving his bargaining position may be Braley's strategy.
I believe that this situation is only going to get worse over the second half of the season and will overshadow the Grey Cup unless the league steps in and does something. Cohon and the BOG need to be proactive here.
Argo57
09-01-2014, 07:57 PM
I believe that this situation is only going to get worse over the second half of the season and will overshadow the Grey Cup unless the league steps in and does something. Cohon and the BOG need to be proactive here.
The mass assistant coaching exodus since the 2012 Grey Cup can also be explained which I'm sure is playing on Milanovich as well.
Neely2005
09-01-2014, 08:01 PM
I can't say that I'm surprised. We had around 15 players on the IR and we were cutting healthy players. That screams Cost Cutting.
Wobbler
09-01-2014, 08:33 PM
What makes you say that, Neely? All of the recent personnel moves have been merit-based as far as I can see.
Neely2005
09-01-2014, 08:40 PM
What makes you say that, Neely? All of the recent personnel moves have been merit-based as far as I can see.
Our Receving Core has been decimated and we cut Sinkfield who in my opinion played well when he had a chance to play. I thought that Johnson played well enough too.
http://argonauts.ca/article/argonauts-transactions-august-26-2014
ArgoRavi
09-01-2014, 08:40 PM
According to the Star's Bruce Arthur, there are six months left for this to get figured out: http://www.thestar.com/sports/argos/2014/09/01/argos_suffer_defeat_and_stadium_envy_in_hamilton_a rthur.html
I can't say that I'm surprised. We had around 15 players on the IR and we were cutting healthy players. That screams Cost Cutting.
thats crap. Every team spends to 99% of the Salary Cap every year. The league publishes numbers.
The problem is off the field cost cutting.
As well, you also have healthy CFL clubs building training facilities using the Dallas Cowboys facility as the bar. If your a FA, where are you going to sign when you see the facilities built around the league.
ArgoRavi
09-01-2014, 08:46 PM
thats crap. Every team spends to 99% of the Salary Cap every year. The league publishes numbers.
The problem is off the field cost cutting.
As well, you also have healthy CFL clubs building training facilities using the Dallas Cowboys facility as the bar. If your a FA, where are you going to sign when you see the facilities built around the league.
There is a higher cap this year and we don't know whether the Argos are spending to that limit or not. I suspect that they aren't. There is also a salary floor which teams cannot go under and I am guessing that the Argos are closer to the floor than the ceiling but that is only a guess.
I completely agree with you concerning the off-field spending and the facilities as the Argos have, far and away, the worst facilities in the league.
Neely2005
09-01-2014, 08:49 PM
thats crap. Every team spends to 99% of the Salary Cap every year. The league publishes numbers.
The problem is off the field cost cutting.
As well, you also have healthy CFL clubs building training facilities using the Dallas Cowboys facility as the bar. If your a FA, where are you going to sign when you see the facilities built around the league.
Do you have a Link for this seasons numbers?
ArgoGabe22
09-01-2014, 10:12 PM
No way the Anderson release was a cost cutting move. Sinkflield didn't stand out and Jeremiah Johnson flat out stunk IMO. All deserving although Sinkfield perhaps could have stayed a bit longer. Underwood disappeared so no surprise there either.
BATKINSON001
09-01-2014, 11:59 PM
The Tweets are dead on, it's not looking good...
gilthethrill
09-02-2014, 12:24 AM
About the tweet regarding the Argo meeting room being too small, I was under the impression the new practice facility was "State of the Art"? Why does this team constantly get hamstrung by owners?
ArgoRavi
09-02-2014, 01:16 AM
About the tweet regarding the Argo meeting room being too small, I was under the impression the new practice facility was "State of the Art"? Why does this team constantly get hamstrung by owners?
I too am getting the vibe that the players and coaches were very excited to move into this new facility at Downsview and that it has turned out to be a massive disappointment after waiting for years to get something resembling professional-level facilities.
Double Dare
09-02-2014, 07:05 AM
And if Cohon et al really think govt money is going to magically be bestowed on MLSE to pave the way for us to move to BMO, they sure as hell better have a viable Plan B.
Exactly! The feds are pretty tight.
I wonder who the source is?
Invader
09-02-2014, 10:38 AM
I wonder who the source is?
Stephen Brunt and Marty York. :fart:
Rogers: Braley should just give the Argos away to nobody (who'd be a better owner than cheapie Braley who doesn't care about the CFL). How stupid of the Argos for take MLSE's offer to share their offices and practice field at Downsview (which wasn't completed on time, shame on the Argos), and that the Argos assistants C. Jones and M. O'Shea were hired as CFL head coaches (shame on the Argos who can't keep their assistants), blah, blah, blah.
Just consider the source of this Rogers vitriol before we jump on the "Argo-hate" bandwagon. Remember our forefathers used to burn witches at the stake, simply on the accusation of a sole witness.
The facts are Toronto would have no football team if Braley hadn't stepped up to buy the Argos and finance their operations. And that would suit Rogers and Madmani just fine.
I too am getting the vibe that the players and coaches were very excited to move into this new facility at Downsview and that it has turned out to be a massive disappointment after waiting for years to get something resembling professional-level facilities.
they haven't even moved into downsview yet.
how can people complain
Neely2005
09-02-2014, 11:27 AM
they haven't even moved into downsview yet.
how can people complain
I think that the coaching staff has. Someone was saying that the meeting rooms are to small and they can't fit everyone in for team meetings.
I think that the coaching staff has. Someone was saying that the meeting rooms are to small and they can't fit everyone in for team meetings.
come'on, this is commercial office space. Every internal wall is essentially "temporary". Its like $1500-$2000 to take down a wall or add a wall.
Exactly! The feds are pretty tight.
Don't understand where the $30M comes in to built retractable endzone seating.
1. The argos won't use these seats anyways.
2. BMO built the north end for only $2-3M
3. MLSE and the argos knew that there was no chance the feds were going to contribute. Why did they only ask for $10m from the prov, when they contributed $22.5m to THF
3. The argos should only pay for the cost of the dressing rooms and endzone fieldturf. Thats it.
Neely2005
09-02-2014, 12:04 PM
come'on, this is commercial office space. Every internal wall is essentially "temporary". Its like $1500-$2000 to take down a wall or add a wall.
1. Don't shoot the messenger.
2. It could be a load bearing wall or it could just be a small building with little or no room to expand.
3. Where are you getting your figures from?
4. Who's going to pay to renovate it if it is possible to do so?
AngeloV
09-02-2014, 12:22 PM
It's all very depressing, but not surprising. It pretty much sums up the rants I went on after the 2nd home game vs Calgary in an essentially empty stadium.
1. Don't shoot the messenger.
2. It could be a load bearing wall or it could just be a small building with little or no room to expand.
3. Where are you getting your figures from?
4. Who's going to pay to renovate it if it is possible to do so?
whats with all the assinine questions. The Kia centre is a simple commercial building, changing layouts is very easy and cheap with these structures ... that what they are designed for. Normally the leaseholder would pay all costs, but depends on the lease.
Neely2005
09-02-2014, 03:46 PM
whats with all the assinine questions. The Kia centre is a simple commercial building, changing layouts is very easy and cheap with these structures ... that what they are designed for. Normally the leaseholder would pay all costs, but depends on the lease.
So you think that our owner will be willing to pay?
So you think that our owner will be willing to pay?
He's already put in $1.5m according to the contract bids. I assuming its a coach who is bitching to AM ... so he should have got more involved in the planning and design of the facility.
Anyways, the point is with a commercial building its very easily and cheap to change layouts if its just walls.
paulwoods13
09-02-2014, 04:05 PM
Stephen Brunt and Marty York. :fart:
Rogers: Braley should just give the Argos away to nobody (who'd be a better owner than cheapie Braley who doesn't care about the CFL). How stupid of the Argos for take MLSE's offer to share their offices and practice field at Downsview (which wasn't completed on time, shame on the Argos), and that the Argos assistants C. Jones and M. O'Shea were hired as CFL head coaches (shame on the Argos who can't keep their assistants), blah, blah, blah.
Just consider the source of this Rogers vitriol before we jump on the "Argo-hate" bandwagon. Remember our forefathers used to burn witches at the stake, simply on the accusation of a sole witness.
The facts are Toronto would have no football team if Braley hadn't stepped up to buy the Argos and finance their operations. And that would suit Rogers and Madmani just fine.
Apart from hating on Madani and Rogers, and standing up in defence of Braley, what aspects of his specific tweets do you not believe to be true? Do you believe the team has the resources it needs to compete on the field? Do you believe Milanovich is just fine with his current contractual arrangement, and has not contemplated leaving if things don't improve?
Invader
09-02-2014, 11:48 PM
Apart from hating on Madani and Rogers, and standing up in defence of Braley, what aspects of his specific tweets do you not believe to be true? Do you believe the team has the resources it needs to compete on the field? Do you believe Milanovich is just fine with his current contractual arrangement, and has not contemplated leaving if things don't improve?
Milanovich signed a contract to coach the Argos and as far as I know his paycheques are good. If he's not happy with his contractural arrangement he should perhaps hire a better lawyer or agent next time to advise him. I dont think any of faults listed in Madani's serial Argo tweets can be blamed on the owner. He pays good money for managers and CEO's to run his teams.
Mr. Braley owns the business and can run it the way he sees fit. Should he loss $4 million instead of $2 million this year and keep under-performing staff members on the payroll? If anyone else thinks they can do better, put in a bid as the Argos are officially for sale.
ArgoRavi
09-03-2014, 12:04 AM
Milanovich signed a contract to coach the Argos and as far as I know his paycheques are good. If he's not happy with his contractural arrangement he should perhaps hire a better lawyer or agent next time to advise him. I dont think any of faults listed in Madani's serial Argo tweets can be blamed on the owner. He pays good money for managers and CEO's to run his teams.
Mr. Braley owns the business and can run it the way he sees fit. Should he loss $4 million instead of $2 million this year and keep under-performing staff members on the payroll? If anyone else thinks they can do better, put in a bid as the Argos are officially for sale.
I don't think that Paul meant that Milanovich is unhappy with his contract but rather that he is unhappy with his work conditions and that seems to be a running theme with the Argos currently. It isn't just the likes of Madani and Simmons who are reporting about what a horrible owner Braley is being but anyone who is reporting on the team can see this. Braley is running the franchise into the ground at the moment and the league desperately needs to do something about it a.s.a.p.
paulwoods13
09-03-2014, 07:34 AM
I dont think any of faults listed in Madani's serial Argo tweets can be blamed on the owner. He pays good money for managers and CEO's to run his teams.
Mr. Braley owns the business and can run it the way he sees fit. Should he loss $4 million instead of $2 million this year and keep under-performing staff members on the payroll? If anyone else thinks they can do better, put in a bid as the Argos are officially for sale.
He may or may not pay "good money" to his CEO (any idea how good?) but the team has canned two important senior managers without replacing them, and allowed a third to walk, again without replacement. If you have evidence that any of those folks were "under-performing," I'd love to hear it (privately by PM since I'm sure you are sensible enough not to do so publicly). I'm asserting that two of the three, with whom I have worked directly, were not under-performing and were in fact doing their mightiest to help the team succeed despite being hamstrung by lack of money. As for "Mr. Braley owns the business and can run it the way he sees fit," sure that's true. But if running it the way he sees fit means running it into the ground, which some of us (and some media members other than Madani and Simmons) believe to be the case, then should we just sit back quietly and watch it happen?
AngeloV
09-03-2014, 10:16 AM
I see that the Invader/Braley love in is still in effect.
DanoT
09-03-2014, 10:02 PM
A lot of people seem real eager to spend Braley's money for him and have him ring up more $ loses. Believing if only Braley wouldn't cut every thing to the bone then everything would be fine is about as smart as saying if only more fans would show up, everything would be fine and they would be except that no one knows how to get 25k out of a population of 6 million to come to a game.
Since there aren't any billionaires lining up to buy the Argos, why don't you Braley Bashers go on to Riderfans.com and ask them to start a petition to have the CFL buy the team from Braley. I'm almost sure that Rider Nation and fans from around the CFL as well as team owners won't mind supporting the Argos and spending $ that Brayley refuses to spend.
Neely2005
09-04-2014, 06:57 AM
It looks like this story has legs:
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/cfl-55-yard-line/will-reports-of-david-braley-s-penny-pinching-ways-in-toronto-force-action--or-are-the-argos-in-limbo-201204352.html
Argo57
09-04-2014, 08:08 AM
A lot of people seem real eager to spend Braley's money for him and have him ring up more $ loses. Believing if only Braley wouldn't cut every thing to the bone then everything would be fine is about as smart as saying if only more fans would show up, everything would be fine and they would be except that no one knows how to get 25k out of a population of 6 million to come to a game.
Since there aren't any billionaires lining up to buy the Argos, why don't you Braley Bashers go on to Riderfans.com and ask them to start a petition to have the CFL buy the team from Braley. I'm almost sure that Rider Nation and fans from around the CFL as well as team owners won't mind supporting the Argos and spending $ that Brayley refuses to spend.
If you are happy with the way things are in Argoland good for you.
Argocister
09-04-2014, 08:13 AM
It looks like this story has legs:
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/cfl-55-yard-line/will-reports-of-david-braley-s-penny-pinching-ways-in-toronto-force-action--or-are-the-argos-in-limbo-201204352.html
My interpretation is that Andrew just repeated Madanis comments. This article could have been written last year and the year before. He has commented that he doesn't have access to the financials.
I'm not sure the legs of the story are any different than before.
I know the Argos are not in a good situation .... I see it hasn't changed over the past years .... Maybe bad press is better than no press, but if you are wanting to promote the Argos, I personally don't like bad press especially when one knows the dynamics of the media and their relationships to the CFL around the GTA. :sick:
Neely2005
09-04-2014, 09:30 AM
My interpretation is that Andrew just repeated Madanis comments. This article could have been written last year and the year before. He has commented that he doesn't have access to the financials.
I'm not sure the legs of the story are any different than before.
I know the Argos are not in a good situation .... I see it hasn't changed over the past years .... Maybe bad press is better than no press, but if you are wanting to promote the Argos, I personally don't like bad press especially when one knows the dynamics of the media and their relationships to the CFL around the GTA. :sick:
Yes for the most part he did just repeat the same comments. My point was that the story is being repeated in various places.
ArgoRavi
09-04-2014, 11:24 AM
If you are happy with the way things are in Argoland good for you.
If I am not mistaken, DanoT is a B.C. Lions fan. I believe that Invader is too. There tends to be a somewhat more positive feeling among Lions fans, in general, towards Braley. You will certainly see some who believe that Braley is now holding the Lions back from further progress and that what progress that was made with that franchise was mostly due to Bob Ackles while other Lions fans will defend Braley to their death.
The reality is that the Lions were in dire straits by 2002 when Ackles came back to the team but he was able to rebuild their fan base rather impressively to a point where they had 24k season tickets and average attendance of 34k at the time of his death. Despite moving back to a refurbished B.C. Place, the Lions have seen their attendance and season ticket base drop significantly since Ackles' death to a point where they are now at just 15k season ticket holders in a Grey Cup-hosting year. I read a couple of weeks back that Grey Cup tickets aren't moving at as fast of a pace as we have grown accustomed to with still 11k tickets remaining.
While I am thankful for Braley stepping up and saving teams over the years, I think that the best thing for the league at this point would be for him to sell both of his teams as I do believe that he stands in the way of progress.
Invader
09-04-2014, 11:35 AM
He may or may not pay "good money" to his CEO (any idea how good?) but the team has canned two important senior managers without replacing them, and allowed a third to walk, again without replacement. If you have evidence that any of those folks were "under-performing," I'd love to hear it (privately by PM since I'm sure you are sensible enough not to do so publicly). I'm asserting that two of the three, with whom I have worked directly, were not under-performing and were in fact doing their mightiest to help the team succeed despite being hamstrung by lack of money. As for "Mr. Braley owns the business and can run it the way he sees fit," sure that's true. But if running it the way he sees fit means running it into the ground, which some of us (and some media members other than Madani and Simmons) believe to be the case, then should we just sit back quietly and watch it happen?
Braley's other CFL team is a model of corporate consistency, with most senior staffers being with the team a decade or longer. The Lions are turning an annual profit and are regarded as a successful franchise. I'll bet the Lions pay their managers at least the CFL average and probably higher. I'd say Argo managers are also being paid market value but we should remember the Argos are a money-losing company. Most companies reward success not failure, so employee bonuses might be affected, for example.
It's unfortunate those 3 senior managers are no longer with the Argos but we don't really know the circumstances about why they left the organization. It could be more than just the owner being "cheap" or stupid. But staff can be replaced and perhaps some fresh marketing ideas might be beneficial for upcoming seasons.
We should also remember we're only hearing one side of the Braley/Argo/MLSE story, mostly from leaked innuendo by Rogers employees/media ...along with re-hashes from the Sun, Yahoo, etc. What is the real truth? We'll probably have to wait until the Argos sale finally unfolds, before we know the actual facts.
The Argos have been in continuous operation for 142 years. Have faith. Enjoy the games! In the end the Argos will have a new owner and a new football stadium to play in. I'll bet Braley will be revealed as not the cheapie franchise-destroyer that is being portrayed...and MLSE will be all smiles and back-slaps when the Argos finally join the fold!
DanoT
09-04-2014, 11:53 AM
If I am not mistaken, DanoT is a B.C. Lions fan. I believe that Invader is too. There tends to be a somewhat more positive feeling among Lions fans, in general, towards Braley. You will certainly see some who believe that Braley is now holding the Lions back from further progress and that what progress that was made with that franchise was mostly due to Bob Ackles while other Lions fans will defend Braley to their death.
The reality is that the Lions were in dire straits by 2002 when Ackles came back to the team but he was able to rebuild their fan base rather impressively to a point where they had 24k season tickets and average attendance of 34k at the time of his death. Despite moving back to a refurbished B.C. Place, the Lions have seen their attendance and season ticket base drop signigicantly since Ackles' death to a point where they are now at just 15k season ticket holders in a Grey Cup-hosting year. I read a couple of weeks back that Grey Cup tickets aren't moving at as fast of a pace as we have grown accustomed to with still 11k tickets remaining.
While I am thankful for Braley stepping up and saving teams over the years, I think that the best thing for the league at this point would be for him to sell both of his teams as I do believe that he stands in the way of progress.
Yes, I am a Lions fan, so please tell me who are the people who you claim believe that Braley is holding the Lions back and what exactly is Braley doing to hold the Lions back? Sure Ackles did a great job reviving the Lions popularity, a much better job than the current management group, but how is Braley to blame for no longer having someone with Ackles unique talent on board?
Braley has a long history of not interfering with football operations, so other than refusing to spend $ that the Argos don't have what exactly is Braley doing to stand in the way of progress? Surely you don't mean that he should walk away from the Argos and let them fold or force the CFL to take over the franchise and let the rest of the teams prop up the Argos (other teams are against revenue sharing) instead of Braley doing it out of his own pocket.
Neely2005
09-04-2014, 12:10 PM
Braley's other CFL team is a model of corporate consistency, with most senior staffers being with the team a decade or longer. The Lions are turning an annual profit and are regarded as a successful franchise. I'll bet the Lions pay their managers at least the CFL average and probably higher. I'd say Argo managers are also being paid market value but we should remember the Argos are a money-losing company. Most companies reward success not failure, so employee bonuses might be affected, for example.
It's unfortunate those 3 senior managers are no longer with the Argos but we don't really know the circumstances about why they left the organization. It could be more than just the owner being "cheap" or stupid. But staff can be replaced and perhaps some fresh marketing ideas might be beneficial for upcoming seasons.
We should also remember we're only hearing one side of the Braley/Argo/MLSE story, mostly from leaked innuendo by Rogers employees/media ...along with re-hashes from the Sun, Yahoo, etc. What is the real truth? We'll probably have to wait until the Argos sale finally unfolds, before we know the actual facts.
The Argos have been in continuous operation for 142 years. Have faith. Enjoy the games! In the end the Argos will have a new owner and a new football stadium to play in. I'll bet Braley will be revealed as not the cheapie franchise-destroyer that is being portrayed...and MLSE will be all smiles and back-slaps when the Argos finally join the fold!
But are they being replaced? It certainly doesn't sound like they are.
Skinny G
09-04-2014, 12:12 PM
Here's TSN's article on this.. http://www.tsn.ca/cfl/story/?id=460968
Neely2005
09-04-2014, 12:18 PM
Yes, I am a Lions fan, so please tell me who are the people who you claim believe that Braley is hoding the Lions back and what exactly is Braley doing to hold the Lions back? Sure Ackles did a great job reviving the Lions popularity, a much better job than the current management group, but how is Braley to blame for no longer having someone with Ackles unique talent on board?
Braley has a long history of not interfering with football operations, so other than refusing to spend $ that the Argos don't have what exactly is Braley doing to stand in the way of progress? Surely you don't mean that he should walk away from the Argos and let them fold or force the CFL to take over the franchise and let the rest of the teams prop up the Argos (other teams are against revenue sharing) instead of Braley doing it out of his own pocket.
I can't comment on the Lions but I have spoken to a few Lions fans and they seem to reflect what ArgoRavi said in his Post (#42) above.
As to the Argonauts I go back and forth on Braley. It's great that he stepped up to buy the team when nobody else would and it's great that he's paying the bills but it's becoming obvious that he's not interested in seeing the team succeed. He's operating the team on a shoestring budget. We've lost coaches and front office staff. We've had 14 players on the IR and are cutting healthy bodies. We've had 4 different practice locations so far this season. It seems that the Lions are the team that Braley wants to be successful.
Earlier this year Braley had an opportunity to sell the team to MLSE at a profit but he got greedy and asked for half of all Future Grey Cup profits. Seriously, who in their right minds would agree to give profits to the old owner after they had bought the team?
Yes Braley is losing money on the Argonauts but he did make quite a hefty profit on the 2012 Grey Cup.
Here's TSN's article on this.. http://www.tsn.ca/cfl/story/?id=460968
As I said, this story certainly seems to have legs or at least is gaining traction.
can't spend on the argos ... but this just Opened!
http://www.mohawkcollege.ca/athletics/facilities/dbarc.html
.. maybe the argos can train there. this is bullsh*t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 14, 2014
The $35 million David Braley Athletic and Recreation Centre is OPEN! This centre is part of the ongoing Fennell Campus Renewal Project.
The DBARC houses 3 gymnasiums, a fitness centre, multi-purpose studio, and an indoor track in more than 64,000 square feet of stunning, newly constructed space. The facility also includes a Booster Juice, outdoor basketball and beach volleyball courts and other common areas for socialization, as well as office and meeting space for students and staff.
Neely2005
09-04-2014, 12:40 PM
Stephen Brunt and Marty York. :fart:
Rogers: Braley should just give the Argos away to nobody (who'd be a better owner than cheapie Braley who doesn't care about the CFL). How stupid of the Argos for take MLSE's offer to share their offices and practice field at Downsview (which wasn't completed on time, shame on the Argos), and that the Argos assistants C. Jones and M. O'Shea were hired as CFL head coaches (shame on the Argos who can't keep their assistants), blah, blah, blah.
Just consider the source of this Rogers vitriol before we jump on the "Argo-hate" bandwagon. Remember our forefathers used to burn witches at the stake, simply on the accusation of a sole witness.
The facts are Toronto would have no football team if Braley hadn't stepped up to buy the Argos and finance their operations. And that would suit Rogers and Madmani just fine.
So now it's not just the 'evil' Rogers it's also the 'almighty' TSN reporting it, here are Some of the key quotes from the TSN article:
Several veteran players and team staffers - who wish to remain anonymous - approached TSN in recent weeks to their concern and frustration over the negative affect the Argos' constant changing of facilities and cloudy ownership situation continue to have on the club. Players have also sent in photos of equipment stuffed in narrow hallways and around players trying to get treatment for injuries from the training staff.
"This whole thing is a joke," one veteran player told TSN.
While the team moved into a new, permanent facility at Downsview Park in North Toronto (shared with Toronto FC) last week, there was still unhappiness with the situation.
"Does it affect how we prepare (for games)? Yes," said another veteran player. "Do I think about it while I'm on the field, between plays? No. But it's always in the back of your mind."
The situation seems comparable to two years ago when a fire destroyed the Argonauts' facility at the University of Toronto's Mississauga campus and the team was forced to work in the school's classrooms along with neighbouring high school football fields. And that team went on to win the 100th Grey Cup that season.
"In 2012, we used our facilities - or lack of - as motivation to win a championship," added another player. "Now? Many of us are tired and frustrated. But what can we do?"
While the players say that trying to work around unpredictable locations and schedules without violating the 4 1/2 hour workday rule mandated in the league's collective bargaining agreement is tough, the CFL Players' Association told TSN that no complaints have been filed over excessive workdays or unfit working conditions.
The reason players have chosen to stay quiet appears to be the efforts of head coach Scott Milanovich and his coaching staff to maintain calm inside the locker rooms. And those efforts have not gone unnoticed. Players say that that Milanovich never complains about the team's situation, but simply brings a detailed plan to every practice and demands that his players perform.
"I can't imagine what Coach Scott is going through," said defensive back Jalil Carter prior to the Labour Day Classic in Hamilton. "He takes all that frustration onto himself. And we never see it. He just allows us to compete."
Milanovich declined to comment on Toronto's practice facilities or ownership situation. "I'm just trying to prepare our guys to win the East," he said flatly. "Our goal is to be one game away from the Grey Cup. That's it."
But not knowing the franchise's future is a disheartening distraction for the players. And off the field, team staffers are concerned about diminishing budgets and a diminishing workforce. The team has been without a head of ticket sales and corporate partnerships this season. And after the Argonauts' director of marketing resigned in August, team staff have said the team will effectively have no marketing department later this month.
By comparison, other CFL franchises have no fewer than two marketing directors - and in some cases, as many as six full-time marketing staffers.
On top of that, the team's lease at the Rogers Centre expires Dec. 31, 2017 and the Argos have not yet drawn more than 20,000 spectators to any of their four home games.
"I have no idea what is going on (with the ownership situation)," a veteran said. "I don't know who to blame."
One prominent Argo who's considering a contract extension says that while his connection with the current roster and coaching staff is important, he can't help but factor in the stress caused by the unpredictability with their practice facilities.
And that dithering has already hurt the Argos. CFL sources tell TSN that Toronto made a contract offer to re-sign free agent defensive back Pat Watkins in the off-season, but Eskimos head coach (and former Argos defensive coordinator) Chris Jones brought the CFL All-Star to Edmonton to show him the team's state-of-the-art fieldhouse near Commonwealth Stadium. After that, Watkins never returned the Argos' calls.
Jones also made sure that his new acquisition shared his Toronto experience with his new teammates.
"Coach Jones brought Pat and I up (in front of the team) to tell everyone where we had come from and the challenges we faced (with facilities) in Toronto," said Eskimos offensive lineman and former Argo Tony Washington. "He wanted the team to be thankful for what we have."
Even after the Argos' move to Downsview Park, it's still difficult for some in the organization to feel pleased. After the first week at the new facility, a team staffer told TSN that the new challenge is managing the Argos' work schedule - particularly washing equipment - around that of Toronto FC.
In July, the team announced a partnership with Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment to build training facilities. Some in the organization call them "modular buildings" - structures built off-site and then set down in Downsview Park. For others, they're simply called "trailers."
"Sometimes you have to remind yourself: This is a professional franchise," said one player. "It's frustrating."
More in the Link that was posted (#46) above by Skinny G...
He's already put in $1.5m according to the contract bids. I assuming its a coach who is bitching to AM ... so he should have got more involved in the planning and design of the facility.
Anyways, the point is with a commercial building its very easily and cheap to change layouts if its just walls.
I'm just curious how you change the walls on a Trailer?
"In July, the team announced a partnership with Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment to build training facilities. Some in the organization call them "modular buildings" - structures built off-site and then set down in Downsview Park. For others, they're simply called "trailers."
ArgoRavi
09-04-2014, 12:57 PM
As I said, this story certainly seems to have legs or at least is gaining traction.
Braley has been the owner since 2010 and what has he done to fix this mess? If you are a veteran player and a free agent do you sign with the Argos or do you go somewhere else where you have professional working conditions as opposed to high school ones? If this ownership situation isn't fixed by the end of the calendar year, the Argos will likely lose Milanovich at least and will have trouble retaining and attracting free agents. And who is going to want to step into this mess and be the head coach? Bart Andrus again?
Neely2005
09-04-2014, 01:14 PM
Braley has been the owner since 2010 and what has he done to fix this mess? If you are a veteran player and a free agent do you sign with the Argos or do you go somewhere else where you have professional working conditions as opposed to high school ones? If this ownership situation isn't fixed by the end of the calendar year, the Argos will likely lose Milanovich at least and will have trouble retaining and attracting free agents. And who is going to want to step into this mess and be the head coach? Bart Andrus again?
Yeah the article quotes Pat Watkins. He stopped returning the Argonauts calls after he toured Edmontons training facilities.
Here is another one.
Braley has donated $8m to training facilities at Mac and Mohawk last few years
Hamilton business leader donates $5-million to McMaster's athletics centreHamilton, ON - David Braley, a Hamilton businessman and the owner of the Canadian Football League’s B.C. Lions, has donated $5-million to McMaster University’s athletics and recreation centre. It is the second largest donation in Canadian varsity history, both of which have come to McMaster.
paulwoods13
09-04-2014, 01:46 PM
But staff can be replaced and perhaps some fresh marketing ideas might be beneficial for upcoming seasons.
Let us know when any of the three senior people are replaced, and the org shows a willingness to pay for fresh marketing ideas. Until that happens, I'm sticking to the belief that no such money is being spent and no one is filling those roles.
Have faith. Enjoy the games!
Yeah, let's all just do that and stop worrying about the downward spiral of a business that is obvious to anyone paying even a modicum of attention.
Sorry, I'm so mad!
I'm not renewing my season tix next year. He can invest in state of the art university training facilities for $8m and can't invest in the Argos training.
F*ck This!
I will watch it on TV next year ... like everyone else !!
Argocister
09-04-2014, 02:08 PM
Sorry, I'm so mad!
I'm not renewing my season tix next year. He can invest in state of the art university training facilities for $8m and can't invest in the Argos training.
F*ck This!
I will watch it on TV next year ... like everyone else !!
Perfect! one down not many more to go ...... its exactly what the rogers group would like.
definitely good for selling the franchise ..... not
I'm with Invader on this one.... we don't know the real situation, so I'm not going to contribute to the gossip and alienate other fans.
As you know, I am the positive fan .... and whining in our sorrows only makes a bigger puddle.
Solutions? ... number one is I would like this site to have a double blue football section and a double blue ownership/management section..... then I could stay away from the drama and the gossip. .... hate that stuff...
Second ... if you think not going to the games helps the Argos... sorry ... I don't believe that. ... I will still try and get as many people to go that I can.
Third... you donate money to where your heart is .... Braleys never was with the Argos, he was to be a bandaid .... thats lasted too long. Perhaps we could get Blackberry to invest ... or make the Argos a non-profit organization.
Neely2005
09-04-2014, 02:14 PM
Perfect! one down not many more to go ...... its exactly what the rogers group would like.
definitely good for selling the franchise ..... not
I'm with Invader on this one.... we don't know the real situation, so I'm not going to contribute to the gossip and alienate other fans.
As you know, I am the positive fan .... and whining in our sorrows only makes a bigger puddle.
Solutions? ... number one is I would like this site to have a double blue football section and a double blue ownership/management section..... then I could stay away from the drama and the gossip. .... hate that stuff...
Second ... if you think not going to the games helps the Argos... sorry ... I don't believe that. ... I will still try and get as many people to go that I can.
Third... you donate money to where your heart is .... Braleys never was with the Argos, he was to be a bandaid .... thats lasted too long. Perhaps we could get Blackberry to invest ... or make the Argos a non-profit organization.
Did you read the entire TSN article? We have quotes from current and former Argonauts players both on and off the record so how is it just gossip?
It certainly sheds a lot of light on what is actually going on.
ArgoGabe22
09-04-2014, 02:25 PM
I don't think anyone should be surprised. I'm actually glad that it is finally starting to come out. Many people know that Argos had trailers at UTM and that they became nomads since it burned down but I don't think everyone across the league or even across the Argos fan base knew just how bad it is. Now it seems that Downsview is not exactly what we all thought it would be.
When a former employee tweet this, you really wonder what is going on behind the scenes.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Braley gives the proverbial middle finger to the <a href="https://twitter.com/TorontoArgos">@TorontoArgos</a> yet again --> <a href="http://t.co/y1qLUaC1ky">http://t.co/y1qLUaC1ky</a>
Just go away, David. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash">#Argos</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/35Mil?src=hash">#35Mil</a></p>— Adam Orrico (@adamorrico) <a href="https://twitter.com/adamorrico/status/507594538429325314">September 4, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Madani feels the need to take a potshot at TSN now as if his employer actually cares about the CFL and the Argos.
ArgoRavi
09-04-2014, 03:03 PM
Perfect! one down not many more to go ...... its exactly what the rogers group would like.
definitely good for selling the franchise ..... not
I'm with Invader on this one.... we don't know the real situation, so I'm not going to contribute to the gossip and alienate other fans.
As you know, I am the positive fan .... and whining in our sorrows only makes a bigger puddle.
Solutions? ... number one is I would like this site to have a double blue football section and a double blue ownership/management section..... then I could stay away from the drama and the gossip. .... hate that stuff...
Second ... if you think not going to the games helps the Argos... sorry ... I don't believe that. ... I will still try and get as many people to go that I can.
Third... you donate money to where your heart is .... Braleys never was with the Argos, he was to be a bandaid .... thats lasted too long. Perhaps we could get Blackberry to invest ... or make the Argos a non-profit organization.
I hope that the negative media attention - and, frankly, it appears to be accurate - will spur the league and Braley to rectify this situation by the end of the calendar year at the very latest. Gary Lawless has a good piece in the Winnipeg Free Press about the Braley problem: http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sports/football/cfls-grief-with-braley-must-be-rectified-273890611.html
I hope that the negative media attention - and, frankly, it appears to be accurate - will spur the league and Braley to rectify this situation by the end of the calendar year at the very latest. Gary Lawless has a good piece in the Winnipeg Free Press about the Braley problem: http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sports/football/cfls-grief-with-braley-must-be-rectified-273890611.html
Agree. Fans have spoken with their wallets. Spoken with their butts. Now, only course of action is the shame him.
Lower your price and just sell now while Leiweke still their (given he was the biggest proponent)
gilthethrill
09-04-2014, 04:21 PM
Does anyone live nearby the "Modular Buildings" that are in Downsview where the Argos have their offices? I would like to have an idea what they look like...does the team have a practise field there now...or soon?
Braley has been the owner since 2010 and what has he done to fix this mess? If you are a veteran player and a free agent do you sign with the Argos or do you go somewhere else where you have professional working conditions as opposed to high school ones? If this ownership situation isn't fixed by the end of the calendar year, the Argos will likely lose Milanovich at least and will have trouble retaining and attracting free agents. And who is going to want to step into this mess and be the head coach? Bart Andrus again?
No, Bart Andrus was recently named the HC of a Community College in Northern California, Three Feathers Community College I believe, so stroke him off the list of coaches who may succeed a departed, disgrunted Milanovich....
ArgoGabe22
09-04-2014, 05:27 PM
Now Naylor has his say - http://www.tsn.ca/cfl/story/?id=460986
Neely2005
09-04-2014, 06:05 PM
I hope that the negative media attention - and, frankly, it appears to be accurate - will spur the league and Braley to rectify this situation by the end of the calendar year at the very latest. Gary Lawless has a good piece in the Winnipeg Free Press about the Braley problem: http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sports/football/cfls-grief-with-braley-must-be-rectified-273890611.html
Another must read for Argonauts fans.
AngeloV
09-04-2014, 06:16 PM
Well this thread is getting more and more depressing as it goes. Hopefully, those that questioned my defence of Milanovich can now somewhat understand my stance.
I would love to hear Braley publically address the situation, but perhaps the only person he would let in on his thoughts is his biggest defender Invader.
Neely2005
09-04-2014, 06:34 PM
Well this thread is getting more and more depressing as it goes. Hopefully, those that questioned my defence of Milanovich can now somewhat understand my stance.
I would love to hear Braley publically address the situation, but perhaps the only person he would let in on his thoughts is his biggest defender Invader.
If you're referring to my I agreed with you about Milanovich. I just didn't agree with the way that you presented your opinion.
There are some quotes from Braley in the TSN article from Dave Naylor. (Post # 62 above)
AngeloV
09-04-2014, 06:43 PM
If you're referring to my I agreed with you about Milanovich. I just didn't agree with the way that you presented your opinion.
There are some quotes from Braley in the TSN article from Dave Naylor. (Post # 62 above)
Thanks for that link. I must have missed originally. I was not referring to you. I get that some people don't like the way I posted what I did. It's the misguided abuse that Milanovich has taken that I was referring to.
paulwoods13
09-04-2014, 07:17 PM
Madani feels the need to take a potshot at TSN now as if his employer actually cares about the CFL and the Argos.
I don't see that as a potshot at TSN at all. It is him pointing out that even the rights-holder (which in theory would be inclined to paper over problems) is reporting on the problems. When your biggest partner reports that the sky is falling, the sky really is falling. I have no evidence for this but I believe there has been a concerted effort this week by the league and Argo football ops to get this stuff into print, to put pressure on Braley. Nothing else seems to be working.
http://www.tsn.ca/VideoHub/?collection=72&show=432542
I don't see that as a potshot at TSN at all. It is him pointing out that even the rights-holder (which in theory would be inclined to paper over problems) is reporting on the problems. When your biggest partner reports that the sky is falling, the sky really is falling. I have no evidence for this but I believe there has been a concerted effort this week by the league and Argo football ops to get this stuff into print, to put pressure on Braley. Nothing else seems to be working.
AM is right. This is a orchestrated public shaming of Braley by the league. I guess Cohen is trying to jump start MLSE talks
Stevoman
09-04-2014, 08:23 PM
Yeah, this is a depressing thread but I do think that it's mostly accurate and I worry for the state of the franchise. Hopefully the players can use an "us against the world" or an "us against our owner" attitude and do it for the guys in the locker room.
Argo57
09-04-2014, 08:26 PM
AM is right. This is a orchestrated public shaming of Braley by the league. I guess Cohen is trying to jump start MLSE talks
If it truly is orchestrated (which I think it is) then good, keep turning up the heat!!
I think seeing (and opening 2 stadiums) this season has hit home with the Argonaut players how crappy their plight is currently.
As I have said before, I truly feel badly for Milanovich his coaching staff and Barker who are trying to hold things together and win ball games. If they leave (which sadly is a distinct possibility) what quality of coaching staff and GM do you think will replace them.
If it truly is orchestrated (which I think it is) then good, keep turning up the heat!!
I think seeing (and opening 2 stadiums) this season has hit home with the Argonaut players how crappy their plight is currently.
As I have said before, I truly feel badly for Milanovich his coaching staff and Barker who are trying to hold things together and win ball games. If they leave (which sadly is a distinct possibility) what quality of coaching staff and GM do you think will replace them.
Braley has basically cut the budget to where he is break-even or marginally profitable. Lets say $16M operating budge down to $13M (including player cuts) + the $3M from the TV increase.
The league office is trying to stir the pot and get Braley of his high horse to get his price down. This is all Cohen ... maybe some BOG members. No way this is all over TSN's webpage if the league is not involved.
shayman
09-04-2014, 10:15 PM
TSN's Matthew Scianatti tweeted a few pix of the Downsview facility today.
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Aaargh, fighting with this for 20 minutes, how do you embed a tweet as in the first post in this thread? anyway - picture of the facility and neighbouring field here
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https://twitter.com/TSNScianitti/status/507569724629082112
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https://twitter.com/TSNScianitti/status/507670501020688384
ArgoRavi
09-04-2014, 10:23 PM
A transfer of ownership absolutely has to get done by December at the very latest. If it doesn't get done by then, the Argos will likely lose Milanovich and, possibly, Barker and will be hard-pressed to find anyone good to take the job of running this team, free agents will be difficult to retain and attract, no marketing of the team will be done in the off-season and few tickets will be sold, and the 2015 season may be 10 times worse than this one has been.
Some good incentive for Braley to get a deal done is that I am sure he doesn't want to have his Vancouver Grey Cup overshadowed by the Argos' problems, especially as ticket sales have been sluggish. If he wants the Grey Cup to be about the game itself rather than the Argos' problems, he should get a deal done by the end of October.
Neely2005
09-04-2014, 10:24 PM
It looks like a school portable to me.
larz-7
09-04-2014, 10:35 PM
Well this thread is getting more and more depressing as it goes. Hopefully, those that questioned my defence of Milanovich can now somewhat understand my stance.
I would love to hear Braley publically address the situation, but perhaps the only person he would let in on his thoughts is his biggest defender Invader.
there was an artical on tsn about some of the vets on this team totally bitching about everything but stand by their coach and what he has to overcome everyday
A transfer of ownership absolutely has to get done by December at the very latest. If it doesn't get done by then, the Argos will likely lose Milanovich and, possibly, Barker and will be hard-pressed to find anyone good to take the job of running this team, free agents will be difficult to retain and attract, no marketing of the team will be done in the off-season and few tickets will be sold, and the 2015 season may be 10 times worse than this one has been.
Some good incentive for Braley to get a deal done is that I am sure he doesn't want to have his Vancouver Grey Cup overshadowed by the Argos' problems, especially as ticket sales have been sluggish. If he wants the Grey Cup to be about the game itself rather than the Argos' problems, he should get a deal done by the end of October.
fact is Braley will make money on this years greycup regardless of what the problems in TO are.fact is he is still paying bills for the argos so very hard to pull team from him..yes if the league could some how run the team it would still be run the same (low budget)the big player in the game is TSN they are paying the new contract and without TO that money wont be there.Seem they have already started with articals about vets on the argos angry ,i hate reading them but i think it has to be said.sooner then later something will be done
Neely2005
09-05-2014, 06:53 AM
I don't see that as a potshot at TSN at all. It is him pointing out that even the rights-holder (which in theory would be inclined to paper over problems) is reporting on the problems. When your biggest partner reports that the sky is falling, the sky really is falling. I have no evidence for this but I believe there has been a concerted effort this week by the league and Argo football ops to get this stuff into print, to put pressure on Braley. Nothing else seems to be working.
Hopefully it works and doesn't backfire. It could just make Braley more stubborn and obstinate.
294life
09-05-2014, 07:13 AM
I ain't worried about the Argos. They are immortal.
1argoholic
09-05-2014, 07:35 AM
Sitting at the Calgary home game had me depressed. The future looked bleak with that tiny crowd. I haven't felt so low about my Argonauts and the future ever. I think everyone believes that somehow a miracle will happen and we'll magically be put in a new beautiful 30 thou seat stadium in the perfect location. Seems to me Braley has given up after his first attempt at selling the team. Seems like the whole organization is having it's life sucked out very slowly. If Ottawa can fold twice why can't we? Should Braley just wait around while nothing happens and we die a slow painful death it will indeed change my life. I will be finished wasting my time watching professional sports. The Argos are the only pro team that I really care about deep down.
Mulder
09-05-2014, 08:28 AM
I don't see that as a potshot at TSN at all. It is him pointing out that even the rights-holder (which in theory would be inclined to paper over problems) is reporting on the problems. When your biggest partner reports that the sky is falling, the sky really is falling.
This isn't the first time he's called out "TSN" on twitter.
Do you think calling out your colleagues in the media world is going to earn you any respect? Matthew Scianitti reply pretty much sums out how TSN and the CFL world feels about that clown.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Great work today from <a href="https://twitter.com/garylawless">@garylawless</a> & <a href="https://twitter.com/TSNDaveNaylor">@TSNDaveNaylor</a> on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash">#Argos</a> & Braley Honest, classy reporters.</p>— Matthew Scianitti (@TSNScianitti) <a href="https://twitter.com/TSNScianitti/status/507673238764535808">September 4, 2014</a></blockquote>
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The interpretation I get from Madani's tweet is he is basically saying "The CFL rights holder cannot be objective in covering the league, and only reports on this problem once they are unable to hold back. Meanwhile, we sweet objective Rogers have been covering this for weeks."
AngeloV
09-05-2014, 11:40 AM
I ain't worried about the Argos. They are immortal.
I think you've mixed up your Argos vs Hulk Hogan notes. :)
Stouffvillain
09-05-2014, 04:13 PM
More of the same info now on TSN.ca
http://www.tsn.ca/cfl/story/?id=460968
Argo57
09-05-2014, 06:23 PM
I think you've mixed up your Argos vs Hulk Hogan notes. :)
I say Hulks 10 "demandments" then say my prayers and eat my vitamins.
The interpretation I get from Madani's tweet is he is basically saying "The CFL rights holder cannot be objective in covering the league, and only reports on this problem once they are unable to hold back. Meanwhile, we sweet objective Rogers have been covering this for weeks."
No, he is saying worst. He is saying TSN is not objective and puts out no negative news on the league (unless it is given ok by the league office).
You could say Rogers already does this. They are way worse with the Jays coverage. Its laughable.
Argo57
09-05-2014, 07:02 PM
The interpretation I get from Madani's tweet is he is basically saying "The CFL rights holder cannot be objective in covering the league, and only reports on this problem once they are unable to hold back. Meanwhile, we sweet objective Rogers have been covering this for weeks."
Stupid comments like Madani makes could come back and haunt him if his usefulness ceases at Rogers and he is looking for a job.
ArgoRavi
09-05-2014, 11:09 PM
Stupid comments like Madani makes could come back and haunt him if his usefulness ceases at Rogers and he is looking for a job.
I was thinking the same thing tonight. He seems to be trying to offend not only the TSN folks but the CFL folks as well and he has worked in the league for both Ottawa and Winnipeg in the past. Nobody is saying not to report the truth but the potshots aren't necessary.
Argocister
09-05-2014, 11:36 PM
Does anyone live nearby the "Modular Buildings" that are in Downsview where the Argos have their offices? I would like to have an idea what they look like...does the team have a practise field there now...or soon?
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TSN's Matthew Scianatti tweeted a few pix of the Downsview facility today.
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So I drove by the practice area on my way through town.
This area of Downsview reminds me of a new and developing subdivision. There are old warehouse type buildings with various sporting type groups ( squash, rock climbing ...) in behind is the KIA centre and the Sports training facility. Dirt roads with some new paved areas .... I drove around looking for the football field. I found it at the far end of all the practice turf areas for TFC. So I drove in behind the football field.....it Looked more like the construction entrance. The building looks like the type of modular buildings they use now for schools. New schools are built with a core area and have these modules added on ( usually bricked over to be like the school) . These modules can then be removed 5-10-15 years down the road when they don't need them .
Just from the lack of landscape and the roadways , it looks like the Argos are the second or third tenant in the new development. They have to move in sooner than the place is completed. Sort of like the Ticats and their new facility. ..... Just the step before. And we will probably have to do it again... Good old construction etc in Ont.
I feel better driving around there. The Argos will have a good place... Eventually. It's just too bad it couldn't have been completed fully before they had to move in .i also wouldn't doubt if a larger, different designed building ends up getting built in the future and the Argos can move out of the "sales "building .
The field looks good ... Except it has the track around it ....I assume the corners will be nicked off in the end zone but I didn't check.
I didn't go in and investigate as many construction guys with their hard hats were around. ..... Good thing, my husband didn't want to read about me being escorted from the change rooms! :D
Antwon
09-09-2014, 09:35 PM
Read this comment by Drew Edwards on the scratching post. Seems like there's lots of frustration in the organization.
What people are saying: A nomadic existence — the Argos have used four different practice facilities this season — and continued uncertainty over stadium and ownership issues appear to be taking their toll. There were reports last week that head coach Scott Milanovich is so fed up that he won't be back next season.
Read this comment by Drew Edwards on the scratching post. Seems like there's lots of frustration in the organization.
What people are saying: A nomadic existence — the Argos have used four different practice facilities this season — and continued uncertainty over stadium and ownership issues appear to be taking their toll. There were reports last week that head coach Scott Milanovich is so fed up that he won't be back next season.
I have assumed for the past month or so that Milanovich may well become the Head Coach (and Assistant GM... naturally) of the Montreal Alouettes next season.
doubleblue
09-10-2014, 08:42 AM
I don't see Milanovich jumping to Montreal next year unless he gets fired in Toronto. Don't think there is any grounds for that. He might leave if he gets a shot in the NFL with Trestman.
But I would think Jim Popp has Turk (what's his name) lined up to take over as HC with Garcia as OC. This is just a training year for them.
Milanovich has the good QB in Toronto, Montreal is a long way off from having a good QB. Good QB's make for good Coaches, bad QB's make for bad Coaches. Tom Higgins would be looking like a good Coach if Cavillo was still playing in Montreal.
ArgoRavi
09-25-2014, 12:26 PM
Madani may be laying it on a bit thick with this tweet: <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>As the walls cave in on the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash">#Argos</a>, CEO Chris Rudge wrote a 146-word company memo today - disturbed by dirty dishes in the office sink. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a></p>— Arash Madani (@ArashMadani) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArashMadani/status/514874683268038657">September 24, 2014</a></blockquote>
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T-Bone
09-25-2014, 12:41 PM
Madani may be laying it on a bit thick with this tweet:
He is obviously just looking for a reaction. People should ignore it.
argotom
09-25-2014, 05:12 PM
The man is a puke, from the McClown and Rogers stable of disturbers against anything that is CFL and Argos.
I have been saying ignore these clowns and boycott all Rogers, save and except the dome for our games only.
Argo57
09-25-2014, 07:08 PM
He is obviously just looking for a reaction. People should ignore it.
That's what I think as well T-Bone, if McCown and the gang offend or annoy you simply switch the channel and listen to something else, they probably read this forum and laugh their asses off!!
AngeloV
09-25-2014, 09:07 PM
That's what I think as well T-Bone, if McCown and the gang offend or annoy you simply switch the channel and listen to something else, they probably read this forum and laugh their asses off!!
The only time I ever listen to the Fan now is the Tim and Sid show (and only when I'm not working). I know some don't like them, but I do, and honestly, can't stand listening to Brian Hayes on TSN radio or any member of the Hayes/Derringer family. They are all just too "cool" for my liking.
Argo57
09-26-2014, 08:03 PM
The only time I ever listen to the Fan now is the Tim and Sid show (and only when I'm not working). I know some don't like them, but I do, and honestly, can't stand listening to Brian Hayes on TSN radio or any member of the Hayes/Derringer family. They are all just too "cool" for my liking.
Tim and Sid actually had a decent update this afternoon on the CFL season so far, at least they inject a little humour into the world of sports and don't take themselves too seriously.
Invader
09-26-2014, 10:20 PM
Madani may be laying it on a bit thick with this tweet: <iframe style="width: 1px; height: 0px; border: medium none; position: absolute; visibility: hidden;" class="twitter-tweet twitter-tweet-rendered" allowtransparency="true" scrolling="no" id="twitter-widget-0" frameborder="0"></iframe>
As the walls cave in on the #Argos (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash), CEO Chris Rudge wrote a 146-word company memo today - disturbed by dirty dishes in the office sink. #CFL (https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash)
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Not sure what "walls are caving in on the Argos" he's referring to? The Argos have a lease at RC for the next 3 seasons. The city has requested the Argos be accommodated at BMO. The Argos have just moved into their brand-new practice/training facility and offices. Just more negative Rogers spin.
The MLSE/Rogers gameplan seems to be to bully the Argos into the franchise folding. Then MLSE won't have to rebuild the endzones or buy the team (the BMO artist conception released this week showed what looked like permanent endzone seating and roof).
If the Argos are gone, then the BJ's would have the summer sports market all to themselves. The Toronto market would then be "wide open" for an expansion or relocated NFL team...with no worries about hurting the Argos or CFL.
Liewike probably wasn't kidding when he told that councillor to bury his "Argos moving to BMO speech" during the BMO announcement (of the $95M renovation of the 7-yr-old BMO, which won't include the Argos but will include a $10M cash bonus from Toronto taxpayers.)
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ArgoGabe22
11-03-2014, 06:10 PM
Arash is back at it. Brings up a few good points but it's hard to take the always negative Arash seriously. I enjoyed seeing Drew Edwards ask Madani if he was applying for the commissioners job.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>The next <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a> commissioner needs more of a football background. The product really deteriorated in 2014. Viewership, and business, suffers.</p>— Arash Madani (@ArashMadani) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArashMadani/status/529399338687266816">November 3, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Sunday afternoon games worked in the past in the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a> because more Canadians watched the three-down game than the NFL. No longer.</p>— Arash Madani (@ArashMadani) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArashMadani/status/529401565057003520">November 3, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>If you go into many sports bars throughout the Greater Toronto Area on a regular season Sunday, all but impossible to find a <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a> game on.</p>— Arash Madani (@ArashMadani) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArashMadani/status/529405638099484672">November 3, 2014</a></blockquote>
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doubleblue
11-03-2014, 06:20 PM
The only time I ever listen to the Fan now is the Tim and Sid show (and only when I'm not working). I know some don't like them, but I do, and honestly, can't stand listening to Brian Hayes on TSN radio or any member of the Hayes/Derringer family. They are all just too "cool" for my liking.
Hayes is too pro NFL for my liking. I have heard him say Toronto should have a franchise. Never talks about the CFL, that I have heard. If the Rogers bunch can dictate to their guys to discredit the CFL on every opportunity one would think TSN bosses could make sure their guys talk up the CFL more.
Neely2005
11-03-2014, 06:31 PM
Arash is back at it. Brings up a few good points but it's hard to take the always negative Arash seriously. I enjoyed seeing Drew Edwards ask Madani if he was applying for the commissioners job.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>The next <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a> commissioner needs more of a football background. The product really deteriorated in 2014. Viewership, and business, suffers.</p>— Arash Madani (@ArashMadani) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArashMadani/status/529399338687266816">November 3, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Sunday afternoon games worked in the past in the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a> because more Canadians watched the three-down game than the NFL. No longer.</p>— Arash Madani (@ArashMadani) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArashMadani/status/529401565057003520">November 3, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>If you go into many sports bars throughout the Greater Toronto Area on a regular season Sunday, all but impossible to find a <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a> game on.</p>— Arash Madani (@ArashMadani) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArashMadani/status/529405638099484672">November 3, 2014</a></blockquote>
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What a Liar:
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/eh-game/the-great-canadian-ratings-report-193422068.html
ArgoRavi
11-03-2014, 07:10 PM
Hayes is too pro NFL for my liking. I have heard him say Toronto should have a franchise. Never talks about the CFL, that I have heard. If the Rogers bunch can dictate to their guys to discredit the CFL on every opportunity one would think TSN bosses could make sure their guys talk up the CFL more.
It seems to me that the CFL is behind the NFL in the Bell Media pecking order. The NFL seems to get much more promotion these days on the Bell Media outlets than the CFL does so we are left with the CFL getting little to no coverage on Rogers Media and getting less promotion and coverage on Bell Media.
As far as Madani's comments, again I am seeing more promotion for the NFL on Bell Media outlets so if they are getting more viewers than the CFL this year, that may be a big reason why. As far as the NFL dominating the sports bar scene in Toronto, that has been going on for the last 25 years so that is no great revelation on his part. Regarding the commissioner, the CFL needs someone who can help make the league work in Toronto. While the product may not have been as good this year, I am hopeful that this has only been a blip. I will only get worried if we continue to see the same thing for the next year or two.
Neely2005
11-03-2014, 07:45 PM
Also the NFL is on Free TV, the CFL is on a Premium Channel. RDS Ratings also aren't included in the CFL ratings for the Alouettes.
ArgoGabe22
11-03-2014, 08:31 PM
What a Liar:
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/eh-game/the-great-canadian-ratings-report-193422068.html
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>I see there is concern about <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a> ratings from the usual suspects
Since the start of the NFL season,
CFL 652k ave
NFL 562k ave</p>— Chris Cuthbert (@CCtsn) <a href="https://twitter.com/CCtsn/status/529429964501032960">November 4, 2014</a></blockquote>
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AM is a joke. he should go back to his old job -- lonnie gieberman's gopher
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/ArashMadani">@ArashMadani</a> Sad thing is they had owners in TO who really cared. Ran 'em off so The Senator could double dip on Grey Cups.</p>— Damien Cox (@DamoSpin) <a href="https://twitter.com/DamoSpin/status/529407060468060161">November 3, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Absolutely hilarious, so the root cause of all this Sportsnet has for the Argos is the fact that the owners who couldn't cover the bills by themselves were pushed out.
Neely2005
11-04-2014, 09:21 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>I see there is concern about <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a> ratings from the usual suspects
Since the start of the NFL season,
CFL 652k ave
NFL 562k ave</p>— Chris Cuthbert (@CCtsn) <a href="https://twitter.com/CCtsn/status/529429964501032960">November 4, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Funny how Madani has gone quiet since being called out and proven wrong, again.
ArgoRavi
11-04-2014, 10:52 AM
Jim Lang was impressed with Madani's tweets: <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>ICYMI - <a href="https://twitter.com/ArashMadani">@ArashMadani</a> thoughtfully broke down the issues facing the <a href="https://twitter.com/CFL">@CFL</a> in Toronto with a series a Tweets yesterday. Check out his feed.</p>— Jim Lang (@JimLangSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/JimLangSports/status/529660177143054336">November 4, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Invader
11-04-2014, 11:02 AM
It's also funny how Rogers' Rash is complaining how the CFL should do more to promote CIS Football...after Rogers bought the TV rights to the OUA football this year then decided not to televise any games...as a cost-cutting measure to help pay for Rogers massive NHL overbid.
Rash has been proven a liar and should make a public apology to sports fans across Canada for his deception. He has removed some of his more salacious CFL tweets from yesterday but the fact remains the CFL is King in Canada...despite the Rogers on-going smear campaign.
When you factor in all the low-rated Sunday games on TSN/TSN2, which often draw only 75,000 to 175,000 viewers across Canada...the CFL ratings are more than double the NFL average.
Isn't it a bit odd that Rogers is still pumping the NFL...after losing the Sunday broadcast rights to their hated competitor...and losing their shirt on the disastrous Bills in Toronto series...and the NFL kicking sand in their face with regards to their wimpy bid to buy the Bills?
Neely2005
11-04-2014, 11:20 AM
The CFL still competes against the Blue Jays, Raptors, NHL...
doubleblue
11-04-2014, 02:31 PM
It seems to me that the CFL is behind the NFL in the Bell Media pecking order. The NFL seems to get much more promotion these days on the Bell Media outlets than the CFL does so we are left with the CFL getting little to no coverage on Rogers Media and getting less promotion and coverage on Bell Media.
As far as Madani's comments, again I am seeing more promotion for the NFL on Bell Media outlets so if they are getting more viewers than the CFL this year, that may be a big reason why. As far as the NFL dominating the sports bar scene in Toronto, that has been going on for the last 25 years so that is no great revelation on his part. Regarding the commissioner, the CFL needs someone who can help make the league work in Toronto. While the product may not have been as good this year, I am hopeful that this has only been a blip. I will only get worried if we continue to see the same thing for the next year or two.
You're spot on about the NFL being pushed much more than the CFL on TSN radio now. Maybe the Suits in the ivory towers decided the CFL ratings would stand on their own and they needed to push the NFL more to combat the Rogers Hockey. I heard something kind of funny today while out driving. Turned on the radio and Mike Hogan voice was calling "he's in for a Touchdown" and a couple more Hogan TD calls, then the commercial went on promoting the NFL games coming up on TSN. Is that called a crossover or voice over. lol I know you read this site Hogie, what's up with that?
1argoholic
11-04-2014, 02:33 PM
I for one am becoming less of a pro sports fan only watching every CFL game. When it comes to the NFL I catch the odd bit here and there and I flip channels during Leaf games. I'm getting a blast out of our Peterborough Petes and Lakers Lacrosse seasons. CHL hockey isn't so scripted as the NHL. Friggin NHL bores me with it's 40 seconds, time to dump it in and now both teams change. Every game is basically played out the same with few exceptions. The league is a watered down mess.
Argo57
11-04-2014, 06:13 PM
Funny how Madani has gone quiet since being called out and proven wrong, again.
Good for Cuthbert, simply lay out the facts and move on, guys like Cox and Madani are quite humorous!
doubleblue
11-04-2014, 07:11 PM
According to TSN radio sports report at 3:30 pm the Argos have a new QB. The Lady reading the sports news announced that Trevor Smith will start this Friday for the Argos. Oh well, at least she mentioned the Argos were playing.
zontar
11-04-2014, 07:54 PM
Cox's concern about authentic Argo ownership is touching.
ArgoRavi
11-04-2014, 10:00 PM
Cox's concern about authentic Argo ownership is touching.
And, of course, as Cox knows, Cynamon and Sokolowski weren't exactly funding the team on their own. I don't deny that they were passionate about the Argos but they did not have the necessary money.
Argocister
11-04-2014, 10:06 PM
And, of course, as Cox knows, Cynamon and Sokolowski weren't exactly funding the team on their own. I don't deny that they were passionate about the Argos but they did not have the necessary money.
How many years ago was that????? Cox must be a buddy of Rehash the trash Arash .
ArgoRavi
11-04-2014, 10:13 PM
How many years ago was that????? Cox must be a buddy of Rehash the trash Arash .
C & S last owned the team in 2009 when they refused to spend to dress a third QB and left the Argos at the end of that season with a practice roster of 1 player. I imagine that Cox gets much of his Argo information from Bob McCown who is friendly with David Cynamon.
Argocister
11-04-2014, 10:15 PM
C & S last owned the team in 2009 when they refused to spend to dress a third QB and left the Argos at the end of that season with a practice roster of 1 player. I imagine that Cox gets much of his Argo information from Bob McCown who is friendly with David Cynamon.
That's what I was getting at .... That's 5 years ago ..... But Twitter probably wasn't so popular then so important to rehash the trash now .
rdavies
11-04-2014, 11:37 PM
I imagine that Cox gets much of his Argo information from Bob McCown who is friendly with David Cynamon.Yes and I am to understand Cynamon gave some fantastic house parties. I am really starting to hate Rogers and some of the scumbag lackies they have in their employ. Reporting certainly has changed since I was a boy. I believe the adage was "afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted" and now its "afflict the afflicted and comfort the comfortable".
This country needs an anti-Rogers campaign in the worst way. I'm thinking, anybody else have any good ideas.
Argo57
11-05-2014, 07:46 AM
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Yes and I am to understand Cynamon gave some fantastic house parties. I am really starting to hate Rogers and some of the scumbag lackies they have in their employ. Reporting certainly has changed since I was a boy. I believe the adage was "afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted" and now its "afflict the afflicted and comfort the comfortable".
This country needs an anti-Rogers campaign in the worst way. I'm thinking, anybody else have any good ideas.
Journalistic standards seem to have eroded over the years, perhaps the likes of Cox and Madani are better suited for the National enquirer and other such papers.
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