October 25, 2014: Hamilton Tiger-Cats vs. Toronto Argonauts

[T-Bone]

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Week 18
Saturday, October 25, 2014 at 4:00pm EDT.
Rogers Centre. Toronto, ON.

TV: TSN (http://www.tsn.ca/cfl-on-tsn-broadcast-schedule-1.78723)
Video Webcast: TSN Go (http://www.tsn.ca/tv#/) - ESPN3 (http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index/_/type/upcoming/sport/football/search/CFL/)
Radio: HAM: CHML 900 (http://www.900chml.com/ticatsnation/)/Y108 ROCKS (http://www.y108.ca/) - TOR: NewsTalk 1010 (http://www.tsn.ca/argos-on-tsn-1050-broadcast-schedule-1.84907)
Audio Webcast: HAM: Here (http://player.900chml.com/) - TOR: Here (http://player.newstalk1010.com/)
Satellite Radio: SiriusXM (http://www.cfl.ca/article/siriusxm-canada-and-cfl-renew-multi-year-broadcast-agreement)

Depth Charts: HAM: Here (http://www.ticats.ca/page/2014-depth-charts-game-notes-stats) - TOR: Here (http://www.argonauts.ca/depthchart/list/team/7/year/2014)

Pre-Game Preview: Here (http://argonauts.ca/video/index/id/104977)

Post-Game: Shoeless Joe's (http://www.shoelessjoes.ca/) at 276 King St W (https://maps.google.ca/maps?q=276+King+St.+W.&hnear=276+King+St+W,+Toronto,+Toronto+Division,+On tario+M5V+3C6&gl=ca&t=m&z=16)

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Tickets Available: Here (http://www.argonauts.ca/page/toronto-argonauts-tickets) or at Rogers Centre Gate 9 Box Office (http://www.rogerscentre.com/events/tickets.jsp)

Post-Game Update: Argos Win to Take Ballard Cup and Season Tiebreaker with Ti-Cats (http://www.argonauts.ca/article/recap-argos-vs-tiger-cats-w18-2014)

Final Score: 24-26

[Argo57]

What a difference a game can make!!
Hamilton play in a complete stinker against Ottawa and find a way to get it done, Toronto....never mind!!
Hamilton will be out to avenge the late game collapse last week, despite what some here think Grigsby (if he dresses) will give Toronto something else to thinks about.
Argos have some questions that have to be addressed:
1) Pass protection
2) Running game (Steele's health)
3) Chemistry in the defensive backfield
4) Vertical passing game (Or lack thereof)
5) Penalties and lack of discipline (Enough lip service and get it fixed)
6) Turnovers
7) Team confidence and mindset (See Milanovich's press conference)

[AngeloV]

What a difference a game can make!!
Hamilton play in a complete stinker against Ottawa and find a way to get it done, Toronto....never mind!!

Well, chances are if Toronto scored the 12 points they did yesterday, but against Ottawa, and Hamilton played the same way they did on Friday but against Montreal, the Argos would have won and Hamilton would have lost.

[Argo57]

Well, chances are if Toronto scored the 12 points they did yesterday, but against Ottawa, and Hamilton played the same way they did on Friday but against Montreal, the Argos would have won and Hamilton would have lost.

Not necessarily Angelo:
Friday July18th
Ottawa18-Toronto17

[1argoholic]

I can't see this Argonaut team winning next week. This year has been one huge discombobulated mess. As my wife said yesterday, it's amazing that they've won as many games as they have. 70 players and counting have played this year. This hasn't been a football team, it's been a traveling circus.

It's no surprise that Calgary is doing so well. Their team is very stable from top to bottom and they are loaded with talent. I can name more Stamps then Argos. Every game we have new guys lining up on D. This was my worry from day one.

If we lose next Sat I feel the wheels will totally fall off and 2014 will go down as one of the worst years in this franchises history. I'm talking from their lame owner all the way down.

I can't blame the players who are all learning on the fly. I can't remember a year where we've cut so many guys and brought so many new guys in during the season. Now we see guys that we've cut playing well for other teams. Stinkwell is a prime example.

I just want to see someone step up and purchase this team and sink some money into the whole organization. Someone who gives a shit. This team needs a total rebirth for lack of a better word.

[Argo57]

I can't see this Argonaut team winning next week. This year has been one huge discombobulated mess. As my wife said yesterday, it's amazing that they've won as many games as they have. 70 players and counting have played this year. This hasn't been a football team, it's been a traveling circus.

It's no surprise that Calgary is doing so well. Their team is very stable from top to bottom and they are loaded with talent. I can name more Stamps then Argos. Every game we have new guys lining up on D. This was my worry from day one.

If we lose next Sat I feel the wheels will totally fall off and 2014 will go down as one of the worst years in this franchises history. I'm talking from their lame owner all the way down.

I can't blame the players who are all learning on the fly. I can't remember a year where we've cut so many guys and brought so many new guys in during the season. Now we see guys that we've cut playing well for other teams. Stinkwell is a prime example.

I just want to see someone step up and purchase this team and sink some money into the whole organization. Someone who gives a shit. This team needs a total rebirth for lack of a better word.

Second year in a row for the personnel merry go round (particularly on D) also add in a completely new coaching staff as well and here we are.

[ArgoRavi]

I can't see this Argonaut team winning next week.

This guarantees an Argo victory over Hamilton! ;)1argoholic, where have you been while the Argos have been winning?

[AngeloV]

Not necessarily Angelo:
Friday July18th
Ottawa18-Toronto17

Ottawa was also scoring more points in general in July than they have the last 10 games (with the exception of struggling Winnipeg and Saskatchewan). 7 times scoring 10 or less points since then.

[Double Dare]

Toronto is going to blow the friggin' doors off Hamilton! : ) Get ready for Ottawa down the stretch, they are going to play spoiler to some unlucky eastern team/s.

[R.J]

Hoping to attend the game.

The Ti-cats are looking good and getting stronger, just need a run game IMO. The Argos look to be going the opposite way, although they badly need a run game as well. Honestly don't understand why they don't just give Slaton the rock more and let him get at least 20 touches. Sprinkle in Steele for another 10 touches (IMO Steele is better suited as the reliever not an every-down back).

[argosrule2415]

Going to state the obvious, we NEED this one. Looks like we're going to have to deal with a running game other than Collaros as the Ti-cats have signed Nic Grisby. Let's hope we don't get into a deep hole in this one and wait until the fourth quarter to pull out some miraculous comeback as I very much doubt we'd be able to do that again.

[ArgoRavi]

Going to state the obvious, we NEED this one. Looks like we're going to have to deal with a running game other than Collaros as the Ti-cats have signed Nic Grisby. Let's hope we don't get into a deep hole in this one and wait until the fourth quarter to pull out some miraculous comeback as I very much doubt we'd be able to do that again.

How much will Grigsby play though when he will only have been in camp for four days and will have little knowledge of the playbook? If Madu can play, I would be much more concerned about him than about Grigsby.

[gilthethrill]

How much will Grigsby play though when he will only have been in camp for four days and will have little knowledge of the playbook? If Madu can play, I would be much more concerned about him than about Grigsby.

The Argos have a similar situation in their backfield. I doubt Steele will dress, so does newcomer Armond Smith draw into the lineup behind Slaton or does Woodson get more playing time as the #2 back? Either way, I expect Slaton to really see alot of the field Saturday.

[QBall]

I hope the Argos take an early lead and never look back. My heart can't take another bitter loss like last week or another nail biting, come from behind like the last game against Hamilton. Can't we just jump to a big lead and cruise to a victory? Please?

[AngeloV]

I hope the Argos take an early lead and never look back. My heart can't take another bitter loss like last week or another nail biting, come from behind like the last game against Hamilton. Can't we just jump to a big lead and cruise to a victory? Please?

Definitely need a better start than they've had the last 2 weeks. Nothing is worse than a turnover killing a drive that was going well.

[Neely2005]

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[Stouffvillain]

Don't blame the Ti-cats for taking advantage of the abundance of tickets available at Skydome. They're doing what they can to give themselves the est chance to win.

[ArgoRavi]

Definitely need a better start than they've had the last 2 weeks. Nothing is worse than a turnover killing a drive that was going well.

What happened to the Argos last Saturday reminded me of what the Argos did to B.C. last month. The Lions had a great opening possession before your friend, Kevin Glenn, threw an INT and they never recovered that night.

[ArgoRavi]

More injuries which means more changes and more challenges for our Argos: http://www.torontosun.com/2014/10/22/argos-lose-offensive-lineman-chris-van-zeyl-for-key-game-vs-ticats

[Stouffvillain]

More injuries which means more changes and more challenges for our Argos: http://www.torontosun.com/2014/10/22/argos-lose-offensive-lineman-chris-van-zeyl-for-key-game-vs-ticats

For all the injury talk this season the thing that doesn't get talked about enough is how the injuries to Durie and Coombs have effected the lineup week in and week out. With those two Canadians done for the year any injury to another Canadian (like this one to Van Zeyl) forces changes elsewhere just to get the ratio right.

[Argo]

For all the injury talk this season the thing that doesn't get talked about enough is how the injuries to Durie and Coombs have effected the lineup week in and week out. With those two Canadians done for the year any injury to another Canadian (like this one to Van Zeyl) forces changes elsewhere just to get the ratio right.

Coombs has been gone for so long, I'd virtually forgotten about him!


It certainly feels like there has been an unusually high number of injuries on the team this season (I haven't looked at multi-season statistics). Injuries, plus the ownership and venue stressors, have made for a challenging season to say the least.

[Wobbler]

Without CVZ I think it's safe to assume that Bradwell will be starting this week, probably in Mann's spot. Brazill actually looked pretty good out wide, and I'd keep him there.

[AngeloV]

Without CVZ I think it's safe to assume that Bradwell will be starting this week, probably in Mann's spot. Brazill actually looked pretty good out wide, and I'd keep him there.

I would start Matt Black on the corner before taking out an import (I refuse to use the term international) receiver. Herbert can then back up at both safety and corner if need be.

[ArgoRavi]

I would start Matt Black on the corner before taking out an import (I refuse to use the term international) receiver. Herbert can then back up at both safety and corner if need be.

AV, I am afraid that is not an option as Black is gone for the season with a broken arm.

[AngeloV]

AV, I am afraid that is not an option as Black is gone for the season with a broken arm.

What? When did this happen? Just checked the roster on the team's web page. He's on the active roster and not any of the injured lists.

[gilthethrill]

What? When did this happen? Just checked the roster on the team's web page. He's on the active roster and not any of the injured lists.

I think Frank Z mentioned Blacks injury in Tuesdays column. I don't know what happened. As for the roster, I expect it will be updated tomorrow when the depth chart gets unveiled. Huge loss for sure.

[ArgoRavi]

I think Frank Z mentioned Blacks injury in Tuesdays column. I don't know what happened. As for the roster, I expect it will be updated tomorrow when the depth chart gets unveiled. Huge loss for sure.

That is where I saw the info on Black's injury. It caught me by surprise too.

[MEEZY]

The injuries have been really baffling this year. Earlier, I suggested that they may be attributed to some underlying cause, but many on here think it's just bad luck or certain players (Durie, Owens) tend to be injury prone. I'm not sure what to think. Maybe it's the fact that their practice facilities are inadequate? Maybe it's the style of play that Milanovich encourages? Poor conditioning? I'm inclined to think that something, other than bad luck, has to be at the root of this.

[ArgoGabe22]

Some minor injuries may be due to a lack of rest, rushing back too soon but most if not all major injuries were a result of physical contact. Black's hand, Durie and Coombs, Owens getting hit low by Grimes etc. Turf is turf, everyone is using it so I wouldn't blame the facility.

[Neely2005]

Some minor injuries may be due to a lack of rest, rushing back too soon but most if not all major injuries were a result of physical contact. Black's hand, Durie and Coombs, Owens getting hit low by Grimes etc. Turf is turf, everyone is using it so I wouldn't blame the facility.

Turf is not turf. They're many different kinds of turf and under padding.

[ArgofanIan]

calling all ARRGO fans.... if your blood is blue... we need you at this game.... if the sound of an "Oski Wee wee".... causes you distress..... We need you at this game..... we need everyone to row together so we can sail to the grey cup ..... and get these cats.... by the tail..... Go ARRRRRRRRgoSSSSSSSS !!!!!

[AngeloV]

The injuries have been really baffling this year. Earlier, I suggested that they may be attributed to some underlying cause, but many on here think it's just bad luck or certain players (Durie, Owens) tend to be injury prone. I'm not sure what to think. Maybe it's the fact that their practice facilities are inadequate? Maybe it's the style of play that Milanovich encourages? Poor conditioning? I'm inclined to think that something, other than bad luck, has to be at the root of this.

Injuries are up all across the league, and to take it a step further, I have never seen so many early season ending injuries in the NFL as I have this season either. Interesting that you mention conditioning. Both the CFLPA and NFLPA have demanded and received less practice hours in their recent CBA's. Wonder if that does anything to the frame of mind of a player. They may be receiving hits that they just don't see coming due to lack of contact in practice.

[ArgoGabe22]

Turf is not turf. They're many different kinds of turf and under padding.

I doubt Downsview installed old Astroturf from the 70's underneath 25 layers of concrete.

UTM was natural grass so you could argue the move to turf may be an underlying cause but I would think more for injuries in the leg or knee. Kackert's injuries for example may have been worse because of his footing.

I think AV has a good point with conditioning and lack of contact in practices.

[Wobbler]

So, Bradwell isn't starting after all. Instead, we get our seventh national by starting Miles at WILL LB instead of Jones.

Depth chart (http://cfl.uploads.mrx.ca/league/pdf/en/depth/2014/2014_RegSeasonGame16vsHAM_Oct25102238.pdf)

Robinson is off the IR to resume duties at DB (replacing McCollough), and new guy Dowtin is dressing as a backup LB. Oh, and Watt is back on the 46 but is not listed as a starter. Huh. I can't remember the last time we did that.

[Neely2005]

That is where I saw the info on Black's injury. It caught me by surprise too.

They just resigned Matt Black:

http://www.argonauts.ca/article/argos-extend-matt-black-2014

[ArgoRavi]

So, Bradwell isn't starting after all. Instead, we get our seventh national by starting Miles at WILL LB instead of Jones.

Depth chart (http://cfl.uploads.mrx.ca/league/pdf/en/depth/2014/2014_RegSeasonGame16vsHAM_Oct25102238.pdf)

Robinson is off the IR to resume duties at DB (replacing McCollough), and new guy Dowtin is dressing as a backup LB. Oh, and Watt is back on the 46 but is not listed as a starter. Huh. I can't remember the last time we did that.

The sense I got from Zicarelli's latest article is that there will be a fair bit of shuffling going on during the game to adhere to the ratio. Ivan Brown is listed as a starter for the first time this season. I expect that we will see a lot of Anthony Woodson tomorrow as well.

[Will]

I guess the decision was either continue to have Bradwell in the receiving corps, where I'm sorry he isn't suited for this offense, or take out Jones?

[gilthethrill]

Greg Jones has been our best defensive player recently. Will he even dress?

[AngeloV]

I think you'll still see a lot of Jones. Currently have 8 non imports starting on the depth chart. guessing the plan is to play Jones in when Ivan Brown is on the field and Miles when Whiteside is on the field.

[gilthethrill]

I think you'll still see a lot of Jones. Currently have 8 non imports starting on the depth chart. guessing the plan is to play Jones in when Ivan Brown is on the field and Miles when Whiteside is on the field.

OK, that is good news....you are one of the calming influences on this forum AV....

[AngeloV]

OK, that is good news....you are one of the calming influences on this forum AV....

I also think the loss of Fantuz is huge for the Cats. Whether it's Stala or Koch that plays in for him, it takes away a huge size mismatch that was in their favour.

[ArgoRavi]

I also think the loss of Fantuz is huge for the Cats. Whether it's Stala or Koch that plays in for him, it takes away a huge size mismatch that was in their favour.

Ted Laurent won't be playing tomorrow either. Mossis Madu has been added to the active roster although I don't know if he will actually play or be a scratch.

[gilthethrill]

I also think the loss of Fantuz is huge for the Cats. Whether it's Stala or Koch that plays in for him, it takes away a huge size mismatch that was in their favour.

AV I believe Dave Stala is a member of the Montreal Alouettes.

[AngeloV]

AV I believe Dave Stala is a member of the Montreal Alouettes.

LOL...That's right. I was making fun of him last week. Getting old.

[Argo57]

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Smart promotion by Hamilton, don't be surprised if more Hammer fans are there than Argonaut fans.
Wouldn't be an issue if more Argo fans actually bothered to show up.

[jerrym]

With Montreal's win over Ottawa tonight, an Argo victory tomorrow becomes an even greater imperative.

[ArgoRavi]

With Montreal's win over Ottawa tonight, an Argo victory tomorrow becomes an even greater imperative.

No doubt. A win over Hamilton puts the Argos in good position to make the playoffs. If they lose to the Ticats, then Montreal is the only eastern team they can still catch and they will no longer control their own destiny. The game on Saturday is certainly in the "must win" category for the Argos.

BTW, a Winnipeg win over B.C. wouldn't hurt either as it would keep alive the possibility of three eastern teams making the post-season. A Lions win on Saturday ends that possibility.

[Argocister]

For those going to the game ...ll yell extra loud for me as I can't go to this game 😭

I have sent some Argos fans in my stead but I'm not sure how loud they will be ..... Plus my husband is bringing a couple of kitty fans .....

[argonaut11xx]

BTW, a Winnipeg win over B.C. wouldn't hurt either as it would keep alive the possibility of three eastern teams making the post-season. A Lions win on Saturday ends that possibility.

This is what i'm hoping for, and cheering for Mike O'Shea isn't that tough to do.

Ravi...you said above that this game vs the pussy cats is a "must win", are you sure?, did you confirm this with coach scott?...hahahahahahaha

[ArgoRavi]

Curtis Steele and Greg Jones are the scratches today.

[jerrym]

With the injury to Steele, the Argos once again don't seem to be able to bring capable replacements. The Argo replacement receivers were generally poor. However, other teams quite capable of doing this. Yesterday, Saskatchewan brought in Keith Toston, who looked like a beast dragging half the Calgary team for more yards. Calgary has been filling holes created by injuries all season. Hamilton adds Grigsby (yes I know a lot of you don't have much use for him on or off the field but he has shown enough to be a decent emergency replacement). Meanwhile the Argos fail to sign Greenwood or bring anyone of significance over the season.
Undoubtedly, Braley dictates with regard to the budget have really limited the Argos' options, but with many international players desperate to continue their careers, their salary demands should not be high in most cases. The offseason recruiting that led to the 2012 Grey Cup and Jones nose for talent are definitely missing.

[jerrym]

Great start defensively with a safety tackle of the elusive Collaros in the end zone!

[jerrym]

Swayze does it again and is now 40/44 in FG.

[argonaut11xx]

Slaton is playing well...nice TD

That said, this mini -lead is FAR from safe

[jerrym]

Slaton scores! 15 - 0. The Argos need to keep the pressure up and not go conservative as they have in the past.

[jerrym]

The Argos do nothing the easy way. After grabbing a 15 - 0 lead, they give up an interception, TD and fumble.

[argonaut11xx]

The Argos do nothing the easy way. After grabbing a 15 - 0 lead, they give up an interception, TD and fumble.

This years version of the Argo's has cost me ALOT in beer money....haha....

damn, its like the wheels have fallen off....hopefully the cats dont score again before the half

[jerrym]

This years version of the Argo's has cost me ALOT in beer money....haha....

damn, its like the wheels have fallen off....hopefully the cats dont score again before the half

You got your wish, Argonaut11xx.

[ArgoRavi]

Must stop turning over the ball, must block better so that there is no need to take all of these holding penalties, must continue to cover well on special teams, must get the return game going, must stick with the run game. Those are second half keys. One thing we should be concerned about is if Shea Emry is unable to return with his late first half hamstring injury. If he can't go, it only makes the ratio issue even worse. A good first half overall for the Argos but they have to do this for one more.

[Argo57]

Must stop turning over the ball, must block better so that there is no need to take all of these holding penalties, must continue to cover well on special teams, must get the return game going, must stick with the run game. Those are second half keys. One thing we should be concerned about is if Shea Emry is unable to return with his late first half hamstring injury. If he can't go, it only makes the ratio issue even worse. A good first half overall for the Argos but they have to do this for one more.

Very frustrating team, never seem to be able to bury the opposition when we have the chance!!

[jerrym]

The odds are the Argos will win the yardage game but the turnovers (2 fumbles and an interception so far to none for Hamilton) are likely going to kill them.

[argonaut11xx]

Very frustrating team, never seem to be able to bury the opposition when we have the chance!!

Hence the reason im on beer #7....

[argonaut11xx]

Hence the reason im on beer #7....

just threw beer #7 at the wall....WOW...(Giguiere TD)

[jerrym]

With Collaros marching downfield from his own one yard line 10 yard first down by 10 yard first down to score a TD on the only 109 yard drive by anybody this season against a defence that never altered its defensive scheme, the inability of Burke to adjust to changing circumstances becomes transparent.

[Argo57]

I have never seen a team that can go so cold so fast, pretty shameful display overall.

[Bleeds Double Blue]

As we go to the 4th quarter Argos cough up another turnover. The season is circling the bowl.

[jerrym]

Yurichuk intercepts to give the Argos their first turnover but teams that lose the turnover game 4-1 nearly always lose the game.

[jerrym]

What an insane call to give it to Slaton when Gale has been money on every one yard keeper. Saved by a penalty, the Argos score, but as usual the Argos can't keep from taking a dumb penalty.

[argonaut11xx]

Seems like the crowd is louder for the pussy cats, than for the Argo's...

That last drive even though an Argo TD, was again....FRUSTRATING as hell

[argonaut11xx]

Slaton is having a very good game, but jerrym your bang on...STUPID call at the 1.....

Gale has been "money in the bank" on a 1 yard plunge.

Hamilton's ball...Im nervous

[jerrym]

Ugh! Swayze misses so the Argo lead is only two points.

[jerrym]

The Argos win, keeping their playoff hopes alive but they will definitely have to eliminate a lot of their chronic season-long mistakes if they are going anywhere in the playoffs. Against Calgary or even Edmonton. this would have been a slaughter. The key play was Yurichuk's interception that changed all the momentum in the game.

[Bleeds Double Blue]

These guys are killing me. Don`t know if my heart is going to make to the playoffs. Bring on the Als.

[Argo57]

I can't take too much more of this, my nerves are shot!!!
Crazy win again!!

[ArgoRavi]

Argos win, Argos win! Excellent adjustments by the coaching staff in the fourth quarter! This is the second consecutive fourth quarter against Hamilton that the Argos have been able to do this. These two teams and coaching staffs have gone toe-to-toe this season with the Argos getting the slight edge.

[argosrule2415]

I had to leave for a bit after Swayze missed that field goal, glad to hear that we won though! Need to stop with these turnovers.

[ArgoRavi]

The Argos win, keeping their playoff hopes alive but they will definitely have to eliminate a lot of their chronic season-long mistakes if they are going anywhere in the playoffs. Against Calgary or even Edmonton. this would have been a slaughter. The key play was Yurichuk's interception that changed all the momentum in the game.

For how much they throw the ball, I don't worry as much about interceptions and Ray's TD to INT ratio is quite good but it is the fumbles that have been killers this year and made this game much closer than it should have been. I don't know what the answer is but the Argos lead the CFL in fumbles and I don't believe that it is even close. They MUST clean that up if they want to have any chance of getting to the playoffs and getting to the Grey Cup.

[argonaut11xx]

These guys are killing me. Don`t know if my heart is going to make to the playoffs. Bring on the Als.
Agreed, i dont think my old ticker could handle another game vs the cats


I can't take too much more of this, my nerves are shot!!! Crazy win again!!
yep....these guys are killing us hardcore fans...

Can the fans PLEASE just have a BLOW-OUT win next game?

[Argo57]

Agreed, i dont think my old ticker could handle another game vs the cats


yep....these guys are killing us hardcore fans...

Can the fans PLEASE just have a BLOW-OUT win next game?


I think we just witnessed the Argonaut version of a blowout!!

[Bleeds Double Blue]

If David Braley was on the ball he could make a fortune selling Argo brand Maalox to the fans.

[Neely2005]

With the injury to Steele, the Argos once again don't seem to be able to bring capable replacements. The Argo replacement receivers were generally poor. However, other teams quite capable of doing this. Yesterday, Saskatchewan brought in Keith Toston, who looked like a beast dragging half the Calgary team for more yards. Calgary has been filling holes created by injuries all season. Hamilton adds Grigsby (yes I know a lot of you don't have much use for him on or off the field but he has shown enough to be a decent emergency replacement). Meanwhile the Argos fail to sign Greenwood or bring anyone of significance over the season.
Undoubtedly, Braley dictates with regard to the budget have really limited the Argos' options, but with many international players desperate to continue their careers, their salary demands should not be high in most cases. The offseason recruiting that led to the 2012 Grey Cup and Jones nose for talent are definitely missing.

More touches for Slaton seemed to work well.

[argonaut11xx]

More touches for Slaton seemed to work well.

I liked the guy (Slaton) ever since preseason, kinda wondered why he isn't the #1 guy. Love the way he runs the ball, and he seems to be OK with the blocking assignments that he is asked to do regularly.

Maybe this years Argo team are a new version of the "cardiac kids"???

[jerrym]

Even playing the most important game of the season and with lots of Ticat fans at the game, the attendance was only 19,258 - troubling.

While Ray and Collaros were an identical 24/36 and a nearly identical 323 yards for Ray and 335 yards for Collaros, the run game made a big difference in the game: Slaton had 16 carries for 80 yards (in addition to another 5 catches for 77 yards, while Grigsby/Madu combined for 12 yards on 9 carries, with Madu gaining another 39 yards on five catches.

The Emry detractors may not want to hear this but he led the Argos with 5 defensive tackles (in the previous 3 games he led the team in defensive tackles once and was second once).

Owens once again was the leading receiver with 6 catches and key to keeping several drives alive.

Mo Mann played as well as he has in any game and had 4 catches for 75 yards.


More touches for Slaton seemed to work well.

My comment wasn't based on a negative view of Slaton but on the lack of an alternative, something that bit Hamilton recently. Despite all the receiver injuries, the Argos have not found one new quality receiver with all their replacements. With Durie out, we would be hard put once again if Owens were to also go down. I like Slaton, but if he went down in this or a future game and if Steele is not back in the future, Argos ground game would be in trouble was my point.

[Wobbler]

The Emry detractors may not want to hear this but he led the Argos with 5 defensive tackles (in the previous 3 games he led the team in defensive tackles once and was second once).
A MLB should lead his team in tackles *every* game, not occasionally.

[argonaut11xx]

A MLB should lead his team in tackles *every* game, not occasionally.

I like Shea Emry, a decent and tough Canadian who plays MLB at a high level.

That said McCune was a freakin BEAST at MLB, even when the Argo's grabbed him as an "older player". The Argo's regressed at the position by getting Emry, thats a fact. But the Argo's could do a heck of alot worse than Emry as well.

[ArgoGabe22]

1) Was anything mentioned on the telecast on the missed Waters FG? It seemed from my view that Milanovich dropped the challenge flag but nothing happened afterwards. He was also in the referee's ear quite a bit after the missed FG.

2) Were the Ti-Cats actually serious about having Medlock attempt a 75 yard FG with what appeared to be 3 seconds on the clock. I'm not sure how it went from :03 to :08 and then back to :00.

3) Penalties galore. Every 2nd or 3rd play had some sort of penalty.

4) Nice to see more of Yurichuck on the defence. He was named a starter but I'm not sure how many reps he had in the game but it sure seemed like more than usual. I hope he got a defensive gameball with Slaton getting on the offence.

[Wobbler]

There was no discussion of the missed FG other than what you'd expect. I don't know what SM was irritated about - it looked like a straightforward miss to me.

Yurichuk wasn't a starter on the chart, but I thought he was more noticeable than Miles.

[gilthethrill]

Just finished watching the game on PVR. That time out call by Milanovich followed up by that 32 yard toss to Slaton was huge. Gotta get up for work at 4:30 am but I know I won't be able to sleep tonight.....can't wait for another shot at the One Trick Pony that is the Montreal Offence....

[ArgoGabe22]

Yurichuk wasn't a starter on the chart, but I thought he was more noticeable than Miles.

I know you're out of town Wobbler but today the defensive starters were introduced before the game and Yurichuck was named as the starter. Whiteside was also an announced starter and not Ivan Brown.

[Tau Ceti]

I'm two years following the team now and have seen eight live games at home and ten overall. I think this goes down as my single favourite for sheer entertainment and emotional value. We were superb out of the gate squeezing out points where we could and stifling them (I don't believe Collaros (https://www.google.ca/search?client=firefox-a&hs=7pv&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=nts&biw=1280&bih=689&q=zach+collaros&spell=1&sa=X&ei=smxMVM3SCob2yQSw1IHwBw&ved=0CBkQvwUoAA) put up a complete pass til about 7:00 in the second quarter). A quarter-and-a-half of excruciating turnovers and penalty calls followed, with Collaros suddenly looking like the second coming. And then one of the most bizarre fourth quarters I've yet witnessed. I actually had no idea that if defence takes a penalty at third-and-one things are reset to first down. Good for the Argos! And, seriously, were they going for a field goal at the end?!

Big shout out to Steve Slaton! What a game!

[ArgoRavi]

There was no discussion of the missed FG other than what you'd expect. I don't know what SM was irritated about - it looked like a straightforward miss to me.

There was one camera angle where it looked like that FG might have gone through. The regular angle from the back of the endzone though seemed to show that it went just wide. They really should have a camera under each goalpost or on the crossbar (why do I think that they have had that at the Grey Cup at least?) which would show conclusively if the FG attempt was good or not. Milanovich was probably concerned that Waters did not miss that attempt as he only missed it by inches it seemed.


Maybe this years Argo team are a new version of the "cardiac kids"???

The argument could be made that the Argos have been the most exciting team in the league this season. Points per game league-wide are at 46.04 but Argos' games average just under 53 points per game (52.94 to be exact) which is #1 in the league. While five of the Argos' first six games were somewhat one-sided, one could argue that every game since has not been decided until the fourth quarter. The Argos have won two one-point games and another one by two points (today's game) while losing two others by one point, one game by seven (a game that the Argos led by 26 at one point) and another by only eight. I really don't think that people can say that the Argos haven't entertained so far this season.

[QBall]

And the Argos' offensive player of the game goes to: Zack Collaros. Was it because he sucked? Nope. It's because he let us tackle him in the their end zone at the beginning of the game giving us the 2 point safety, which was the margin of victory. Thanks Zack!

[Wobbler]

I know you're out of town Wobbler but today the defensive starters were introduced before the game and Yurichuck was named as the starter. Whiteside was also an announced starter and not Ivan Brown.
Huh. I know that the list submitted to the league must be accurate with respect to participation, but perhaps there is some leeway with respect to declaring your starters. I'd hate to think that we deliberately misrepresented our lineup to try to fool Hamilton.

[ArgoRavi]

Huh. I know that the list submitted to the league must be accurate with respect to participation, but perhaps there is some leeway with respect to declaring your starters. I'd hate to think that we deliberately misrepresented our lineup to try to fool Hamilton.

The only thing that matters is the roster that is submitted to the league. The depth chart really does not matter. The key point regarding the ratio is who are your three designated imports (I think that three is still the number)? That has to be declared as well but teams can do whatever they want with the depth chart as far as I know.

[Double Dare]

A win is a win ... it doesn't have to be a thing of beauty, and it's been the case of a few Argo wins as of late. Good job.

[paulwoods13]

Huh. I know that the list submitted to the league must be accurate with respect to participation, but perhaps there is some leeway with respect to declaring your starters. I'd hate to think that we deliberately misrepresented our lineup to try to fool Hamilton.

Why would you hate to think we would try to fool our opponents? That's a major part of football.

Regardless, it is fairly common for teams to have different starters than the 12 announced to the crowd. I've seen it happen many, many times in recent years. In the modern CFL with a 44-man game roster, the notion of starters is increasingly irrelevant because teams have many personnel packages, and substitute freely on pretty well every down. The Argos on offence yesterday went at times with two tight ends, one tight end, no tight end, Watt in, Bradwell in, Woodson in, and assorted INT receivers (mostly Brazill) out. On defence, there were even more packages -- four-man line with three LBs, three-man line with four LBs, four-man line with four LBs, three-man line with five (yes, five) LBs, etc. Last week they had many five-man-line packages.

One thing they did yesterday was, during commercial breaks, about 10 defensive guys would stand with Casey Creehan near the sideline, with another six or so already on the field. Then, at the last minute, the six coming in would run on and the other three or four would retreat back to the sideline. Clearly a case of trying not to show their hand to the opposition -- it's all about out-coaching the other team these days (sadly).

[AngeloV]

2) Were the Ti-Cats actually serious about having Medlock attempt a 75 yard FG with what appeared to be 3 seconds on the clock. I'm not sure how it went from :03 to :08 and then back to :00.


Another instance where the most inept ref in the league, Foxcroft blew a call. The play clock was down below 10 seconds, which means he blew the play in. There is absolutely no excuse for at that point in time stopping the play clock to allow for a Hamilton substitution, let alone a change from offence to FG team and back to offence. Hamilton were out of timeouts, and they should have been charged a time count violation. You can't just stop the play clock to allow for a substitution at that point. I've said it before, but he is the absolute worst ref in the history of the game.

I think his father must have some pull as to why he is still employed. For those that don't know, his father invented the Fox40 whistle, and has worked with both the CFL and NFL for years. Oh..and did I mention they are from Hamilton?

[gilthethrill]

Another instance where the most inept ref in the league, Foxcroft blew a call. The play clock was down below 10 seconds, which means he blew the play in. There is absolutely no excuse for at that point in time stopping the play clock to allow for a Hamilton substitution, let alone a change from offence to FG team and back to offence. Hamilton were out of timeouts, and they should have been charged a time count violation. You can't just stop the play clock to allow for a substitution at that point. I've said it before, but he is the absolute worst ref in the history of the game.

I think his father must have some pull as to why he is still employed. For those that don't know, his father invented the Fox40 whistle, and has worked with both the CFL and NFL for years. Oh..and did I mention they are from Hamilton?

My 6 year old joined me for the last part of the game. He asked about the game clock going up & down at the end. I had no explaination for him, but was impressed he too noticed. Things are nasty on the Ti-Cats forum following the game. Really am getting tired of listening to Rod Black, who happened to mention the Fox40 whistle....


And the Argos' offensive player of the game goes to: Zack Collaros. Was it because he sucked? Nope. It's because he let us tackle him in the their end zone at the beginning of the game giving us the 2 point safety, which was the margin of victory. Thanks Zack!

Collaros got away with another Intentional Grounding play later in the game as well. Speaking of safties, I was surprised the Argos were not awarded one when Brandon Banks fielded Waters punt near his own goal line.

[ArgoRedneck]

Agree. Under 20,000 is a joke. 2 games in a row I could not GIVE my 2 platinum seats away. Argos will not last until 2017 in the Roger center.

[Will]

Ravi, you were dead on about the Ticats running game as they only rushed 9 times for 12 yards according to CFL.ca. Collaros was able to have a successful day through the air though as Luke Tasker continues to be a thorn in the Argos side although his TD was a result of Suber being on the ground somewhere having fallen. Okpalaugo had another strong game. James Yurichuk also deserves credit for a great game with a sack and an interception.

Steve Slaton stepped up as the sole feature back, both rushing the ball and receiving the ball. That 2nd down pass from Ray to Slaton that helped seal the win was a thing of beauty. Mo Mann also had a solid game receiving. The fumbles, obviously, have to stop but at 16 games in I somehow doubt it is something that will be corrected unfortunately.

The special teams also deserve some credit. They contained Banks and Sinkfield limiting their returns and Smith did a fine job with the returns. Nick Rosamunda had a strong game on specials.

[Argo]

My 6 year old joined me for the last part of the game. He asked about the game clock going up & down at the end. I had no explaination for him, but was impressed he too noticed. Things are nasty on the Ti-Cats forum following the game. Really am getting tired of listening to Rod Black, who happened to mention the Fox40 whistle....

Steve Tasker really played well for Hamilton, according to everyone's favourite play-by-play announcer...


Ravi, you were dead on about the Ticats running game as they only rushed 9 times for 12 yards according to CFL.ca. Collaros was able to have a successful day through the air though as Luke Tasker continues to be a thorn in the Argos side although his TD was a result of Suber being on the ground somewhere having fallen. Okpalaugo had another strong game. James Yurichuk also deserves credit for a great game with a sack and an interception.

Steve Slaton stepped up as the sole feature back, both rushing the ball and receiving the ball. That 2nd down pass from Ray to Slaton that helped seal the win was a thing of beauty. Mo Mann also had a solid game receiving. The fumbles, obviously, have to stop but at 16 games in I somehow doubt it is something that will be corrected unfortunately.

The special teams also deserve some credit. They contained Banks and Sinkfield limiting their returns and Smith did a fine job with the returns. Nick Rosamunda had a strong game on specials.

All true, and Austin apparently will never properly appreciate the value of the running game, even in three-down football.

[ArgoZ]

Thought I would make sure you guys know that Luke Tasker is son of former, awesome special teams NFL player Steve Tasker. :D I heard it somewhere.


Agree. Under 20,000 is a joke. 2 games in a row I could not GIVE my 2 platinum seats away. Argos will not last until 2017 in the Roger center.

You could not give them away? Well if true, your a bad salesman. I bought tickets off someone and would have easily taken yours for a small price, if you let this board know they were available. Are you using your tix for the season closer?


I like Shea Emry, a decent and tough Canadian who plays MLB at a high level.

That said McCune was a freakin BEAST at MLB, even when the Argo's grabbed him as an "older player". The Argo's regressed at the position by getting Emry, thats a fact. But the Argo's could do a heck of alot worse than Emry as well.

I was the biggest McCune supporter. It's obvious that due to him not playing anywhere else professionally, it's not a huge mistake, replacing him. Older players just "lose it", overnight it seems, and their careers are over.

[paulwoods13]

I like Shea Emry, a decent and tough Canadian who plays MLB at a high level.

That said McCune was a freakin BEAST at MLB, even when the Argo's grabbed him as an "older player". The Argo's regressed at the position by getting Emry, thats a fact. But the Argo's could do a heck of alot worse than Emry as well.

This should be in the Emry thread, but since it's here . . . while McCune had an excellent season last year, I don't feel Emry has been a major step down, all things considered. He has had a very solid second half of the season, and he's a NAT which allows us to play an INT somewhere else. The fact we have had long-term injuries to three starting NATs makes his nationality status all the more important. And the fact is that even with McCune, last year's defence was far from good.

[Neely2005]

My 6 year old joined me for the last part of the game. He asked about the game clock going up & down at the end. I had no explaination for him, but was impressed he too noticed. Things are nasty on the Ti-Cats forum following the game. Really am getting tired of listening to Rod Black, who happened to mention the Fox40 whistle....

Yeah Ticat fans are crying about the offside call:

"Too bad they needed a gift from the official making up a phony offside call on the biggest play of the game to do it. The Ticats had a legit 3rd down stop and were still up 3 and getting the ball back. Instead Toronto was gifted a TD. Typical CFL."

[gilthethrill]

Yeah Ticat fans are crying about the offside call:

"Too bad they needed a gift from the official making up a phony offside call on the biggest play of the game to do it. The Ticats had a legit 3rd down stop and were still up 3 and getting the ball back. Instead Toronto was gifted a TD. Typical CFL."

Missed/curious calls for both teams last night, which has been the case all season. The end of the game was puzzling at best. After beating Hamilton twice in 2 weeks, I really don't want to have to face them again if the Argos make it to the post season.

[doubleblue]

This should be in the Emry thread, but since it's here . . . while McCune had an excellent season last year, I don't feel Emry has been a major step down, all things considered. He has had a very solid second half of the season, and he's a NAT which allows us to play an INT somewhere else. The fact we have had long-term injuries to three starting NATs makes his nationality status all the more important. And the fact is that even with McCune, last year's defence was far from good.

I don't think Emry has been a big step down from McCune who couldn't cover as good as Emry IMO. He was ok against the run but he also had Ball beside him and he hasn't been replaced IMO. Jones and Ball would have been quite a combination, but Emry is doing ok and we need him bad right now for the ratio. This low draft pick Miles is doing ok on a part time basis, as well as Yurichuk. Mix and match rotate what ever and the opposing teams can't key on them. Worked ok yesterday. Now if they were playing against Ricky Ray that might be trouble.

[Neely2005]

Missed/curious calls for both teams last night, which has been the case all season. The end of the game was puzzling at best. After beating Hamilton twice in 2 weeks, I really don't want to have to face them again if the Argos make it to the post season.

With only 2 Teams from the East making the Playoffs there's a good chance that we won't face them again this season.

[ArgoRavi]

Yeah Ticat fans are crying about the offside call:

"Too bad they needed a gift from the official making up a phony offside call on the biggest play of the game to do it. The Ticats had a legit 3rd down stop and were still up 3 and getting the ball back. Instead Toronto was gifted a TD. Typical CFL."

Someone on Ticats.ca blew a screenshot of that up and it showed that Plesius lined up offside. It wasn't by a lot but he was clearly offside. Some Hamilton fans were complaining about a hold that wasn't called on the first Toronto TD and they blew that up too and they may have been correct on that. However, there was a blatant hold by #50 of Hamilton on Aston Whiteside on the second Hamilton TD that wasn't called so that evens it up. I also wondered a bit about the first Hamilton TD when it appeared that Tasker pushed Alex Suber down before going to the ball but, considering that offensive interference is rarely called, I wouldn't have expected them to make that call.

[Will]

Don't forget Ravi that after it was shown that Plesius was offside that some Ticat fans tried to complain that Barker was outside of the rectangle that coaching personnel/team members are supposed to stay within.

[Wobbler]

One of my favourite things about Saturday's game was that we passed to Zander Robinson three times. That's approximately the right frequency, I think; any more often and defences will start respecting our TEs as receivers. All three passes were completed, although one was wiped out by a penalty. Despite limited action I've noticed some improvement in his play. He no longer tries to juke defenders or run sideways to exploit blocking (thank goodness) but just heads upfield with the ball as he should. He needs to work on surviving contact and protecting the ball, and giving him the ball in the middle of the field isn't a good idea (yet), but hopefully he'll continue to develop. Luke Willson is never going to be an Argo, but I think we should keep trying to find similar players.

[gilthethrill]

Don't forget Ravi that after it was shown that Plesius was offside that some Ticat fans tried to complain that Barker was outside of the rectangle that coaching personnel/team members are supposed to stay within.

I am thinking Barker was photo shopped behind the official...also Ti-Cat fans say Barker was yelling in that officials ear about the offside. How they know that based on a photo is impressive.

Honestly though, if you are going to call a defender for having a finger nail offside, then should calls be stricter on receivers crossing the neutral zone before the snap?


Someone on Ticats.ca blew a screenshot of that up and it showed that Plesius lined up offside. It wasn't by a lot but he was clearly offside. Some Hamilton fans were complaining about a hold that wasn't called on the first Toronto TD and they blew that up too and they may have been correct on that. However, there was a blatant hold by #50 of Hamilton on Aston Whiteside on the second Hamilton TD that wasn't called so that evens it up. I also wondered a bit about the first Hamilton TD when it appeared that Tasker pushed Alex Suber down before going to the ball but, considering that offensive interference is rarely called, I wouldn't have expected them to make that call.

Yes, I noticed Whiteside get tugged as he approached Collaros on the Banks TD...I did not however notice Suber get pushed by Steve (I mean Luke) Tasker, I thought he fell on his own?

[ArgoRavi]

Yes, I noticed Whiteside get tugged as he approached Collaros on the Banks TD...I did not however notice Suber get pushed by Steve (I mean Luke) Tasker, I thought he fell on his own?

I have watched it several times now and it looks Tasker pushes Suber to the ground. Tasker sure seems to initiate contact on that play anyway.

[ArgoRedneck]

Thought I would make sure you guys know that Luke Tasker is son of former, awesome special teams NFL player Steve Tasker. :D I heard it somewhere.



You could not give them away? Well if true, your a bad salesman. I bought tickets off someone and would have easily taken yours for a small price, if you let this board know they were available. Are you using your tix for the season closer?



I was the biggest McCune supporter. It's obvious that due to him not playing anywhere else professionally, it's not a huge mistake, replacing him. Older players just "lose it", overnight it seems, and their careers are over.

Yes could not give them away. The game itself, and my price should have sold the tickets, not me. I would say to you if the Argos can't get more then 20,000 out to a important game with a population of 4 mil to draw from.......then not many really care outside of the small Argo world. Ottawa tickets were exchanged for another game in the season.

[Neely2005]

Don't forget Ravi that after it was shown that Plesius was offside that some Ticat fans tried to complain that Barker was outside of the rectangle that coaching personnel/team members are supposed to stay within.

Now they're complaining that the Ref took to long to make the Offside call and that they only did it to help the Argonauts.

[ArgoRavi]

Another instance where the most inept ref in the league, Foxcroft blew a call. The play clock was down below 10 seconds, which means he blew the play in. There is absolutely no excuse for at that point in time stopping the play clock to allow for a Hamilton substitution, let alone a change from offence to FG team and back to offence. Hamilton were out of timeouts, and they should have been charged a time count violation. You can't just stop the play clock to allow for a substitution at that point. I've said it before, but he is the absolute worst ref in the history of the game.

I think his father must have some pull as to why he is still employed. For those that don't know, his father invented the Fox40 whistle, and has worked with both the CFL and NFL for years. Oh..and did I mention they are from Hamilton?

Foxcroft is, by far, the head referee that I have the least faith in. The ones that I trust the most are Andre Proulx and Kim Murphy but I don't think that either of them have done an Argo game in a few weeks.

[argotom]

One down two to go, we have to run the table.
Of course, next week's game is the crucial one.

[Stouffvillain]

The thing I love about the Argos is the fact that they never quit. When the pressure is on they come out and perform.

A lot of fans of other teams in this city can't say that about their team.

[argolio]

For how much they throw the ball, I don't worry as much about interceptions and Ray's TD to INT ratio is quite good but it is the fumbles that have been killers this year and made this game much closer than it should have been. I don't know what the answer is but the Argos lead the CFL in fumbles and I don't believe that it is even close. They MUST clean that up if they want to have any chance of getting to the playoffs and getting to the Grey Cup.The answer is probably nothing. It's a statistical oddity that most pro football teams with really good or bad turnover ratios don't repeat that stat the next season. So chances are the recipe will be the same as recent games -- grind it out, overcome mistakes, stay close, and find a way to win in the 4th quarter.

[1argoholic]

I'll take the very ugly win. Was very happy with the D and the pressure we put on Collaros. Two straight games against them and Collaros doesn't get the chance to toss a hail mary on the last play of both games. Love It!!!

Two puzzling things happened late. It sure looked like a second safety for us and the officials placed the ball on the Cats one. I's swear that Sinkfield landed on the goal line.Why didn't Milanovich challenge that? The other was why wouldn't they have taken a time count on the last field goal that Waters ended up missing? They could have killed more time. On third down it's not a loss of down and we still would have been in Waters range.

[AngeloV]

It sure looked like a second safety for us and the officials placed the ball on the Cats one. I's swear that Sinkfield landed on the goal line.Why didn't Milanovich challenge that?

The initial contact was definitely not in the endzone and he was driven back, therefore the forward progress would have brought the ball out. Argos were correct to not challenge on that one.

[ArgoRavi]

The other was why wouldn't they have taken a time count on the last field goal that Waters ended up missing? They could have killed more time. On third down it's not a loss of down and we still would have been in Waters range.

If you take a time count violation on third down in the final three minutes of a half, you are assessed a ten yard penalty. The Argos lost a game that way back in '09 when Justin Medlock seemingly nailed a 47 yard FG to win a game over Winnipeg. However, the officials said that the Argos did not get the snap off in time and the team was assessed a 10 yard penalty and Medlock had to try again from the 57. He hit the upright, the Argos lost and never recovered that season.

[AngeloV]

If you take a time count violation on third down in the final three minutes of a half, you are assessed a ten yard penalty. The Argos lost a game that way back in '09 when Justin Medlock seemingly nailed a 47 yard FG to win a game over Winnipeg. However, the officials said that the Argos did not get the snap off in time and the team was assessed a 10 yard penalty and Medlock had to try again from the 57. He hit the upright, the Argos lost and never recovered that season.

I was actually watching the play clock on that kick. Argos did a good job of snapping the ball with 1 second on the play clock. Kudos to Trevor Harris for keeping his cool and making sure of that.

[argolio]

I was actually watching the play clock on that kick. Argos did a good job of snapping the ball with 1 second on the play clock. Kudos to Trevor Harris for keeping his cool and making sure of that.There's a good chance Foxcroft was distracted watching a pigeon flying at the top of the dome.

[ArgoRavi]

Another instance where the most inept ref in the league, Foxcroft blew a call. The play clock was down below 10 seconds, which means he blew the play in. There is absolutely no excuse for at that point in time stopping the play clock to allow for a Hamilton substitution, let alone a change from offence to FG team and back to offence. Hamilton were out of timeouts, and they should have been charged a time count violation. You can't just stop the play clock to allow for a substitution at that point. I've said it before, but he is the absolute worst ref in the history of the game.

I think his father must have some pull as to why he is still employed. For those that don't know, his father invented the Fox40 whistle, and has worked with both the CFL and NFL for years. Oh..and did I mention they are from Hamilton?

I went back and watched those final few seconds again and I agree, AV, that it is incomprehensible as to why Foxcroft stopped the play clock. There was no injured player on the field and the Ticats were about to run an offensive play. It simply makes no sense.

[Will]

Worth mentioning that Slaton won MOP honors for the week and Yurichuk won Canadian honors.