June 27, 2015: Edmonton vs. Toronto Argonauts

[T-Bone]

http://cfl.assets.mrx.ca/shared/sked_blocks_logos/2012_2/2012_schedule_default2/edm.png vs. http://cfl.assets.mrx.ca/shared/sked_blocks_logos/2012_2/2012_schedule_default2/tor.png

Week 1
Saturday, June 27, 2015 at 5:00pm EDT.
SMS Equipment Stadium. Fort McMurray, AB.

TV: TSN1/3/4/5 (http://www.tsn.ca/cfl-on-tsn-broadcast-schedule-1.206931)
Video Webcast: TSN Go (http://www.tsn.ca/tv#/) - ESPN3 (http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index/_/type/upcoming/sport/football/search/CFL/)
Radio: EDM: CHED 630 (http://www.630ched.com/eskimos/) - TOR: TSN 1050 (http://www.tsn.ca/radio/toronto-1050)
Audio Webcast: EDM: Here (http://player.630ched.com/) - TOR: Here (http://www.tsn.ca/radio/tsn-1050-live-stream-1.52945?ot=example.AjaxPageLayout.ot)
Satellite Radio: SiriusXM (http://www.siriusxm.ca/sports/cfl/)

Depth Charts: EDM: Here (http://www.esks.com/page/depth-charts) - TOR: Here (http://www.argonauts.ca/depthchart/list/team/7/year/2015)

Game Preview: Here (http://argonauts.ca/video/index/id/111667)

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Post-Game Update:

Game Highlights (http://www.cfl.ca/video/index/id/111857)

Game Recap (http://argonauts.ca/article/argonauts-rout-eskimos-26-11-in-season-opener)

Final Score: 11-26 (http://www.tsn.ca/cfl/game/edmonton-eskimos-toronto-argonauts-20150627/Stats)

[Wobbler]

So... perhaps:

AJ-Agnew-Gabriel-Underwood-AK
Isaac-Jones-Greenwood
Foley-Robertson-Laing-Okpalaugo

Campbell-Holmes-Keeping-Van Zeyl-King
Gurley-Owens-Elliott-Spencer
Josey-Durie
Harris

(8 National starters)

[dsiemier]

I rarely post but i do enjoy reading these blogs. I am a seasen ticket holder for years with two friends. We plan to get together to watch the opener but want to go to a spot with other fans. Location doesn't matter as we come from various areas of the GTA. Does Shoeless joes on King st still have viewing parties

[R.J]

The game will air on Newstalk 1010 (Radio) this week.

[AngeloV]

So... perhaps:

AJ-Agnew-Gabriel-Underwood-AK
Isaac-Jones-Greenwood
Foley-Robertson-Laing-Okpalaugo

Campbell-Holmes-Keeping-Van Zeyl-King
Gurley-Owens-Elliott-Spencer
Josey-Durie
Harris

(8 National starters)

I like it. That is almost the exact starting secondary I had predicted, with the exception of Agnew, who at the time was hurt. I also precicted a similar receiving core, but thought Hazelton would start over Elliott. I think Elliott has more speed. If King starts, then they have a great back up in Wayne Smith.

[Wobbler]

Hawkins may well start at HB when he's healthy, but I like the idea of going with more experienced guys (who are familiar with "the waggle") at half if possible.

I'm assuming that since we didn't put King on the IR, he's healthy enough to start. If so, I'd start him. Barker described Smith as our #6 OL, and you don't start your #6 unless someone is hurt or there is a ratio issue.

Presumably either Whitaker or Kackert will dress, but I still see Josey as the game 1 starter.

It looks like a great lineup to me. Mind you, I think I felt the same way about our 2014 opening day chart, right up until the point when Winnipeg crushed us...

[Jon Gonzo]

So... perhaps:

AJ-Agnew-Gabriel-Underwood-AK
Isaac-Jones-Greenwood
Foley-Robertson-Laing-Okpalaugo

Campbell-Holmes-Keeping-Van Zeyl-King
Gurley-Owens-Elliott-Spencer
Josey-Durie
Harris

(8 National starters)


Caught Jim Barker with Hogie on TSN this evening. I think you're close, but I'll offer;

AJ- Devin Smith - Gabriel - Branden Smith - AK
Issac - Jones - Greenwood
Foley - Robertson - Laing - Okpalaugo

Campbell - Holmes - Keeping - Van Roten - Van Zeyl
Gurley - Owens - Elliott - Hazelton
Josey - Durie
Harris

>Expect AJ, and CO to join Diontae Spencer on the Return Team
>Expect Wayne Smith to join A. Dupuis in the 2-TE set (filling in for Zander)
>Tonye-Tonye takes Zanders spot on Teams
>Expect Brandon Whitaker in the lineup
>still up in the air on Robertson/or Cummings
>Jerriel King to 1 game IR

[KCargosfan]

What kind of crowd are they expecting at this game played in the wilderness?

[argolio]

What kind of crowd are they expecting at this game played in the wilderness?Full house of 20,000+, almost entirely Eskimo fans for our "home" game.

[ArgoRavi]

Full house of 20,000+, almost entirely Eskimo fans for our "home" game.

There was a media report out of Saskatchewan last week that only 4k tickets had been sold as of that point. Hopefully ticket sales pick up this week although it will hardly be a home game for the Argos regardless.

[doubleblue]

I think capacity is about 15,000. Just under 10,000 announced for the Edmonton/Saskatchewan game which was kind of surprising. We were lead to believe it was going to be a sell out. Hope the game sells out Thursday, but the Argos are guaranteed a profit plus their expenses so Braley should be smiling.

["Issues"Mcgee]

I hope this game sells more tickets than the media reports are suggesting. Even though it's not a great shake for the Argos, especially considering the team's brutal schedule, I like the idea of a game in Fort Mac. It's all about showcasing the game across Canada early in the season. I just wish the Double Blue were not involved. Makes no sense.

We will win, regardless. Next year, Calgary's home opener will be against the RedBlacks in Tobermory, Ontario. They'll call it the Battle upon the shores of Lake Huron!

[Wobbler]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Barker says <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash">#Argos</a> right now are going with 3 Cdn. offensive linemen as starters. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/TSN1050Radio">@TSN1050Radio</a></p>&mdash; CFL News (@CFL_News) <a href="https://twitter.com/CFL_News/status/613330479840919552">June 23, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[AngeloV]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Barker says <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash">#Argos</a> right now are going with 3 Cdn. offensive linemen as starters. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/TSN1050Radio">@TSN1050Radio</a></p>— CFL News (@CFL_News) <a href="https://twitter.com/CFL_News/status/613330479840919552">June 23, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yeah, I guess I was wrong on this. Strange because Smith was in the starting unit throughout camp. I'm surprised with King out that they would start Van Rotten over Smith.

[gilthethrill]

Looking at Edmonton's o-line I really think the Argos front 4 can slap Riley around. Andrew Jones and Paul Sorensen at guards should be beaten with regularity.

[paulwoods13]

Yeah, I guess I was wrong on this. Strange because Smith was in the starting unit throughout camp. I'm surprised with King out that they would start Van Rotten over Smith.

I'm on record (many times) as judging Smith a backup at best, but regardless of that I thought Van Roten played well in the game at Varsity.

[Rich]

If they go 2 INT on the OL then i'm convinced they will start 2 NAT receivers.

I thought Natey Adjei had a great preseason, was getting open and made some tough catches. They'll rotate Coombs through there, or else use the NAT slot for Dupuis and coach even mentioned Gillanders at HBack as the situation dictates, and drop another INT into the wide side slot when that happens.

It is interesting that they put Stala on the active roster and not the practice roster, which I think tips their hand about the 2nd NAT REC whether he is ready to play or not.

[Wobbler]

Are we sure that King can't go? I haven't seen anything definite.

[Argo]

I get the impression that "a former Canadian football running back for the Toronto Argonauts" named Kackert and Josie will be the RBs. If so, what modification would be likely elsewhere in the lineup for this game?

[paulwoods13]

There are now 20 NATs on the roster, still one short of the minimum. I would guess that Herbert will be added for this game.

One INT has to come off the 46 and three off the 44. Probably King or Van Roten, plus Rolle and one d-lineman (Wright or Cummings, I would guess).

[AngeloV]

There are now 20 NATs on the roster, still one short of the minimum. I would guess that Herbert will be added for this game.

One INT has to come off the 46 and three off the 44. Probably King or Van Roten, plus Rolle and one d-lineman (Wright or Cummings, I would guess).

I wouldn't be too surprised to see a INT receiver come off the 46 rather than Rolle, especially with Miles on IR.

[Neely2005]

I rarely post but i do enjoy reading these blogs. I am a seasen ticket holder for years with two friends. We plan to get together to watch the opener but want to go to a spot with other fans. Location doesn't matter as we come from various areas of the GTA. Does Shoeless joes on King st still have viewing parties

Yes:

http://view.exacttarget.com/?j=fe601373746703757516&m=feec17767d6d0d&ls=fdc315707d6c07747214777565&l=fe5e1775776001787713&s=fdea1579746c0d7f73107870&jb=ffcf14&ju=fe26127471650178771d75&r=0

[paulwoods13]

I wouldn't be too surprised to see a INT receiver come off the 46 rather than Rolle, especially with Miles on IR.

Yeah, that might make more sense, now that you mention it. We love to use LBs on special teams, and if we do in fact start two NAT receivers we don't need five INT receivers dressed.

[Jon Gonzo]

Are we sure that King can't go? I haven't seen anything definite.


Quote from Jim Barker with Hogie on TSN Monday Night

[Jon Gonzo]

If they go 2 INT on the OL then i'm convinced they will start 2 NAT receivers.

I thought Natey Adjei had a great preseason, was getting open and made some tough catches. They'll rotate Coombs through there, or else use the NAT slot for Dupuis and coach even mentioned Gillanders at HBack as the situation dictates, and drop another INT into the wide side slot when that happens.

It is interesting that they put Stala on the active roster and not the practice roster, which I think tips their hand about the 2nd NAT REC whether he is ready to play or not.


It has been stated by the GM that they 'are starting 3 rookie American's at receiver."

[OV Argo]

It has been stated by the GM that they 'are starting 3 rookie American's at receiver."


I predicted that; though we may see Coombs or Adjei in for some plays on O; I was also right on my guess of 2 imports pencilled-in as the OTs. When the team can play 4 regular starting NIs on D (all pretty good ones, though Greenwood is unproven), then that frees up spots to play more imports on offence, even if it is 3 rookie receivers (and if Josey starts at tailback it will be 4, and if King is not playing, but 2 new import OTs are, that would make 6 (or one half the offence) rookie / no Canadian football experience imports starting on offence. No surprise to me at all though.

[Wobbler]

Quote from Jim Barker with Hogie on TSN Monday Night
Thanks. In that case your OL prediction must be correct. As for the DBs and receivers... we'll see! I'm not sure that playing The Smiths at halfback is a good idea; they can be kinda depressing.

[AngeloV]

Thanks. In that case your OL prediction must be correct. As for the DBs and receivers... we'll see! I'm not sure that playing The Smiths at halfback is a good idea; they can be kinda depressing.

Listening to Barker last night, sounds like Devin Smith and Underwood are starting at half.

[paulwoods13]

I predicted that; though we may see Coombs or Adjei in for some plays on O; I was also right on my guess of 2 imports pencilled-in as the OTs. When the team can play 4 regular starting NIs on D (all pretty good ones, though Greenwood is unproven), then that frees up spots to play more imports on offence, even if it is 3 rookie receivers (and if Josey starts at tailback it will be 4, and if King is not playing, but 2 new import OTs are, that would make 6 (or one half the offence) rookie / no Canadian football experience imports starting on offence. No surprise to me at all though.

I am pretty sure we will see VZ at RT and VR at RG. That's how they lined up to start against Montreal. King also played guard (and VZ played tackle) most of last season.

[Argonut]

Full house of 20,000+, almost entirely Eskimo fans for our "home" game.

Hi everyone.
Its been a while since I have posted here.

My daughter and I will be making the trek out to Fort McMurray to take in the game. Fort McMurray is about a 4.5 hour drive from Edmonton.
My guess is that there will be a considerable more Toronto fans than we think. A lot of the labour force that works there is from the East. From what I have been told, there is nothing to do there outside of work, so this should be a breath of fresh air for all people in Fort Mac.

[OV Argo]

I am pretty sure we will see VZ at RT and VR at RG. That's how they lined up to start against Montreal. King also played guard (and VZ played tackle) most of last season.


Regardless, wether at OT or OG, that could still leave 6 raw rookie / never played Canadian football before imports starting on offence (if it is 3 rookie receivers and Josey starting at tailback too) = you don\t see that very often. Some new rookie imports playing on the D too? - in the backfield and at DT ? Any rookie NIs starting ?

[argolio]

Hi everyone.
Its been a while since I have posted here.

My daughter and I will be making the trek out to Fort McMurray to take in the game. Fort McMurray is about a 4.5 hour drive from Edmonton.
My guess is that there will be a considerable more Toronto fans than we think. A lot of the labour force that works there is from the East. From what I have been told, there is nothing to do there outside of work, so this should be a breath of fresh air for all people in Fort Mac.Good to see you here again, Argonut.

Cheer on our boys for us!

[jerrym]

I'm on record (many times) as judging Smith a backup at best, but regardless of that I thought Van Roten played well in the game at Varsity.

I agree. Smith is well past his best before date.

[Argo57]

Hi everyone.
Its been a while since I have posted here.

My daughter and I will be making the trek out to Fort McMurray to take in the game. Fort McMurray is about a 4.5 hour drive from Edmonton.
My guess is that there will be a considerable more Toronto fans than we think. A lot of the labour force that works there is from the East. From what I have been told, there is nothing to do there outside of work, so this should be a breath of fresh air for all people in Fort Mac.

Hope you and your daughter have a great time cheering our team onto victory!!

[1argoholic]

A breath of fresh air is what anyone heading to Fort Mac will want after their trip. I wouldn't hit that hell hole if my life depended on it. I feel sorry for all of the people who flocked there chasing the all mighty $. More to life then money.

Have fun but get in and out without having to stay long. haha.

[Rich]

When the team can play 4 regular starting NIs on D (all pretty good ones, though Greenwood is unproven), then that frees up spots to play more imports on offence

But is there enough NAT depth to start 4 NATs on defence? Waud backs up Laing, but is Waud ready to play at this level? Who backs up Foley? Who backs up Gabriel?

[OV Argo]

But is there enough NAT depth to start 4 NATs on defence? Waud backs up Laing, but is Waud ready to play at this level? Who backs up Foley? Who backs up Gabriel?


The back-ups for Foley or Gabriel do not have to be NIs, though they could be; sounds like the team will be carrying another new import DE, so if Foley got hurt, the new import plays DE - simple as that; as far as back-ups to Gabriel - I think you know of Matt Black who is a capable and veteran DB who has played safety before; and there will be some extra import DBs by the sound of it - even if they are a DI, they could play saftey -sub for Jones at MLB and put Yurichuck or Tonye-Tonye there. As far as Waud being "ready" to play in the CFL - my guess is he's as easily ready as some of the dozen or so new imports who have never played Canadian football before but who are about to get handed playing time on this year's Argos. There are lots of options - but the shop-worn CFL cliche about you just have to have a NI to back-up a starting NI and these are so rare or unfit, while there are superstar imports abound/around to play any position, is often applied to the situation. The back-ups to any position can be a concern - so why the knee-jerk, spin out of proportion "ratio problem" bs about NIs when a lot of CFL fans talk rosters and depth ???

[Rich]

The back-ups for Foley or Gabriel do not have to be NIs, though they could be; sounds like the team will be carrying another new import DE, so if Foley got hurt, the new import plays DE - simple as that; as far as back-ups to Gabriel - I think you know of Matt Black who is a capable and veteran DB who has played safety before; and there will be some extra import DBs by the sound of it - even if they are a DI, they could play saftey -sub for Jones at MLB and put Yurichuck or Tonye-Tonye there. As far as Waud being "ready" to play in the CFL - my guess is he's as easily ready as some of the dozen or so new imports who have never played Canadian football before but who are about to get handed playing time on this year's Argos. There are lots of options - but the shop-worn CFL cliche about you just have to have a NI to back-up a starting NI and these are so rare or unfit, while there are superstar imports abound/around to play any position, is often applied to the situation. The back-ups to any position can be a concern - so why the knee-jerk, spin out of proportion "ratio problem" bs about NIs when a lot of CFL fans talk rosters and depth ???

I thought that when you replace a NAT with an INT then you have to replace an INT for an NAT somewhere else in order to retain the ratio. Is that wrong? (also i thought matt black was hurt but was mistaken about that too)

[paulwoods13]

I thought that when you replace a NAT with an INT then you have to replace an INT for an NAT somewhere else in order to retain the ratio. Is that wrong? (also i thought matt black was hurt but was mistaken about that too)

No, you must start a minimum of seven NATs and must have four designated INTs. A designated INT can enter the game to replace a starting NAT, provided that there are still seven NATs on offence and defence combined. That's why it is advantageous to start eight or nine (or even 10) NATs -- losing one or two allows you to swap in an INT. If you start only seven, any you take out of the lineup (by choice or because of injury) even for one play have to be replaced by another NAT. If the Argos were to start nine (easily doable this year, IMO) they could sub an INT in for Foley or Laing any time they wanted.

[Rich]

If the Argos were to start nine (easily doable this year, IMO) they could sub an INT in for Foley or Laing any time they wanted.

yeah but it sounds like they may be only starting 4 on offence which is why i raised the question

[Neely2005]

Yes:

http://view.exacttarget.com/?j=fe601373746703757516&m=feec17767d6d0d&ls=fdc315707d6c07747214777565&l=fe5e1775776001787713&s=fdea1579746c0d7f73107870&jb=ffcf14&ju=fe26127471650178771d75&r=0

Also here:

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[ArgoZ]

A breath of fresh air is what anyone heading to Fort Mac will want after their trip. I wouldn't hit that hell hole if my life depended on it. I feel sorry for all of the people who flocked there chasing the all mighty $. More to life then money.

Have fun but get in and out without having to stay long. haha.

As someone who works in construction, particularly demolition, I can concur, it really is a terrible place. That was my opinion before oil took a dive. The place offers absolutely nothing good, as it currently stands.

[paulwoods13]

yeah but it sounds like they may be only starting 4 on offence which is why i raised the question

Not sure I understand then. If they start four on O and four on D they can replace any one of them with an INT and still be within the ratio, I believe. If they start nine they can replace two. So in the example you gave, if there are four on O then one of the four on D can be subbed out.

[KCargosfan]

I am not impressed with Edmonton's offensive line. Am I missing something?

[ArgoRavi]

I am not impressed with Edmonton's offensive line. Am I missing something?

Jonathan Himebauch made chicken salad out of chicken spit with that Edmonton o-line last year. It will be interesting to see how that o-line fares this season without him but their personnel isn't overly impressive at first glance.

[OV Argo]

Jonathan Himebauch made chicken salad out of chicken spit with that Edmonton o-line last year. It will be interesting to see how that o-line fares this season without him but their personnel isn't overly impressive at first glance.

The Esks have draft pick Danny Groulx in the line-up and heard he could end up starting - guy is huge and played on a perennial power-house Laval offence = he could help. Maybe they will start 3 imports on the O-line = surely a huge advantage/luxury = then look for their QB to be untouched and the run game to have huge holes all game long.

[Wobbler]

Maybe they will start 3 imports on the O-line = surely a huge advantage/luxury = then look for their QB to be untouched and the run game to have huge holes all game long.
Not only that, but we'll be starting TWO nationals on the D-line! We may not get a single chance to return a punt on Saturday.

[KCargosfan]

Not only that, but we'll be starting TWO nationals on the D-line! We may not get a single chance to return a punt on Saturday.

haha

[Rich]

Not sure I understand then. If they start four on O and four on D they can replace any one of them with an INT and still be within the ratio, I believe. If they start nine they can replace two. So in the example you gave, if there are four on O then one of the four on D can be subbed out.

Thanks Paul you've answered my question. If they go 4 NAT on O then they're pretty much committed to going 4 NAT on D, and was just wondering about the practicalities of that, esp. since they haven't had 4 NAT starters on D since... ???

[paulwoods13]

It's interesting to think of the "old" days when teams had to stat 10 NATs (or NIs as they were known then). The 1983 GC champion Argos played eight on O: five on the line, Pearson, Townsend and a rotating group of fullbacks. Only two on D were LB Don Moen and S Ken McEachern.

[Jon Gonzo]

It's interesting to think of the "old" days when teams had to stat 10 NATs (or NIs as they were known then). The 1983 GC champion Argos played eight on O: five on the line, Pearson, Townsend and a rotating group of fullbacks. Only two on D were LB Don Moen and S Ken McEachern.

Lemme take a crack at that. Tom Trifaux, Tony Antunovic, Ian Beckstead, Dan Ferrone, Kelvin Pruenster?

[paulwoods13]

Not quite. Trifaux started in the Grey Cup at LT but was replaced by Pruenster when he got injured. Ferrone was at LG, Mike Hameluck at RG and John Malinosky at RT. Beckstead was with the team but was not a regular starter until the following season.

[AngeloV]

It's interesting to think of the "old" days when teams had to stat 10 NATs (or NIs as they were known then). The 1983 GC champion Argos played eight on O: five on the line, Pearson, Townsend and a rotating group of fullbacks. Only two on D were LB Don Moen and S Ken McEachern.

I just watched the '83 Eastern Final agains this past weekend. Loved that team. Thanks again Paul!!

On a side note...Pat Marsden really sucked as a PBP guy.

[argolio]

Beckstead was with the team but was not a regular starter until the following season.And it took him until '87 ( I think he was out of football or injured in '86) to become a high quality starter. Before that he took way too many holding penalties.

Not sure he'd get that much extra time to develop in today's football.

[ArgoRavi]

And it took him until '87 ( I think he was out of football or injured in '86) to become a high quality starter. Before that he took way too many holding penalties.

Not sure he'd get that much extra time to develop in today's football.

He also played for a year or two at least in Ottawa before arriving in Toronto.

[OV Argo]

It's interesting to think of the "old" days when teams had to stat 10 NATs (or NIs as they were known then). The 1983 GC champion Argos played eight on O: five on the line, Pearson, Townsend and a rotating group of fullbacks. Only two on D were LB Don Moen and S Ken McEachern.


The Argos could easily "start" 10 or more NIs this season: 4 O-linemen (from amongst Keeping, Holmes, Van Zeyl, Smith, Sewell), 2 receivers - Durie & Adjei (or Stala); or Coombs at tailback = would be 6 or 7 on offence; then Foley, Laing/Waud, Greenwood, Gabriel + even Matt Black somewhere in the D-backfield.

[Argo]

BW, not CK
http://www.cfl.ca/article/argos-leaning-towards-whitaker-in-fort-mcmurray

[ArgoRavi]

The Argos could easily "start" 10 or more NIs this season: 4 O-linemen (from amongst Keeping, Holmes, Van Zeyl, Smith, Sewell), 2 receivers - Durie & Adjei (or Stala); or Coombs at tailback = would be 6 or 7 on offence; then Foley, Laing/Waud, Greenwood, Gabriel + even Matt Black somewhere in the D-backfield.

Agreed, OV. I would love to see the league go back to a roster setup where 10 Canadians started but, unfortunately, I think that ship has sailed.

[OV Argo]

Agreed, OV. I would love to see the league go back to a roster setup where 10 Canadians started but, unfortunately, I think that ship has sailed.


Ravi - that ship has sailed and long sunk. Could you picture any of the current GOBs or the new American Commish lobbying for more Canadian content in this "radical" league ?

[ArgoRavi]

Ravi - that ship has sailed and long sunk. Could you picture any of the current GOBs or the new American Commish lobbying for more Canadian content in this "radical" league ?

The CFLPA never should have given up those three starting spots back in 1996. Once they gave those spots up, they were lost for good. I can't recall the CFLPA bigwig at that time - Stu Laird maybe - that has admitted recently what a huge mistake that they made.

[doubleblue]

Lemme take a crack at that. Tom Trifaux, Tony Antunovic, Ian Beckstead, Dan Ferrone, Kelvin Pruenster?

Chris Shultz came in 1986 moving Pruenster to RT. Ferrone at LG, Beckstead at Center. Antunovic at RG? That was a good all Canadian O Line.

[1argoholic]

Too many new players so I predict a loss. We could be in tough this year with so many new guys to the CFL. Oh well hopefully they can grow as a team very fast.

[mchesher03]

on the bright side the east should be wide open this year.

MOntreal and Ottawa both looked terrible last night. I know first game but still. Hank was throwing some absolute ducks, the Ottawa defence was very weak, Montreal's offence is a mess (especially if they are going to have to go Bridge or Lefeveour next week). Hard to tell Montreal's D given how bad I think Ottawa's offence is.

That tale out of the way we will see about Hamilton but they are getting rocked by injuries and will be playing catchup by the halfway point like we are (slew of away games at the start) - I see us at worst as the #2 team in the East and we will see from there.

That said we are in tough this game and would be very, very lucky to pull out a W. However I like our secondary and d-line and think the D should be up to the task.

I'll remember this message for the potential future errors if things go sour.....

[Wobbler]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash">#Argos</a> are set to kickoff their 2015 season against the <a href="https://twitter.com/EdmontonEsks">@EdmontonEsks</a> in Fort McMurray tomorrow. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a> <a href="http://t.co/80Jfqvexw7">pic.twitter.com/80Jfqvexw7</a></p>&mdash; Toronto Argonauts (@TorontoArgos) <a href="https://twitter.com/TorontoArgos/status/614444731045662720">June 26, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

King is the only guy to start the season on the 1 game IR.

So... we do indeed go with only one NAT receiver. Spencer and Moore are both on the PR, so we must be confident in AJ and Coombs as our returners.

[paulwoods13]

Depth chart shows 22 INTs (other than QB) so two have to come off. I assume one d-lineman plus Rolle. Can't see any others likely to come off the 44.

[Wobbler]

Agreed. Maybe next week we'll only dress one INT RB, but not yet.

[ArgoGabe22]

I'm hearing Whitaker will be starting. Argos depth chart has always been a little off sometimes unless Milanovich will give both the ball and goes with whoever is looking good.The article I read made no mention of Josey.

[AngeloV]

Argos really need to make sure Coombs gets adequate playing time. I would really hate to see him leave as soon as his first contract comes to an end. I'm sure by that point he will just be looking for an oportunity to start somewhere.

[ArgoGabe22]

Keeping is injured. Smith will go RG, with Van Wroten moving to C.

[paulwoods13]

If Keeping can't play at all, that means we will play one NAT short as they have only the minimum 21 NATs on the 46.

[Wobbler]

Well, that's a problem! I can't remember the last time Keeping was injured, and a new center isn't something we want Harris to have to worry about.

[ArgoRavi]

Argos really need to make sure Coombs gets adequate playing time. I would really hate to see him leave as soon as his first contract comes to an end. I'm sure by that point he will just be looking for an oportunity to start somewhere.

From what I have been reading, the plan seems to be to get Coombs on the field a lot at various positions.

[gilthethrill]

Seeing #19 Smith in the Argo secondary sure brings back good memories. No one is expecting the Double Blue to do much this season. For that reason I am optimistic.

[OV Argo]

If Keeping can't play at all, that means we will play one NAT short as they have only the minimum 21 NATs on the 46.

Kinda sad.

[shayman]

Stadium here is a gem I'm not quite ready to suggest we should move all our games here. But one, tomorrow, will be fun. Look for a 24 piece Argonotes in section SS (10 yard line, far side, to the right.)
picture: 581

[ArgoRavi]

Doesn't sound like there will be a big crowd on hand in Fort McMurray which is quite perplexing as I can't imagine what else there is to do there: http://www.edmontonsun.com/2015/06/26/displaced-home-opener-against-eskimos-fails-to-sell-out-rays-record-500-with-toronto

[Wobbler]

Well, here's something I don't think I've ever seen before: our depth chart for tomorrow (http://cfl.uploads.mrx.ca/league/pdf/en/depth/2015/June_27_Depth_Chart064416.pdf) has been edited. It now reflects recent events (Keeping to the IR, van Roten @ center, although Josey is still listed as the starting RB) and Herbert has appeared in the secondary. I had always thought that the chart was an official document that had to be disclosed 24h before game time and couldn't be changed.

[paulwoods13]

Kinda sad.

I agree, OV. I like our NAT talent but we aren't as deep as I'd like to be. Altho we do have three guys who would be pretty well guaranteed to dress (Robinson, Miles and Keeping) sitting on IR.

[paulwoods13]

Well, here's something I don't think I've ever seen before: our depth chart for tomorrow (http://cfl.uploads.mrx.ca/league/pdf/en/depth/2015/June_27_Depth_Chart064416.pdf) has been edited. It now reflects recent events (Keeping to the IR, van Roten @ center, although Josey is still listed as the starting RB) and Herbert has appeared in the secondary. I had always thought that the chart was an official document that had to be disclosed 24h before game time and couldn't be changed.

I assume there is a deadline for the official depth chart to be submitted. I now think we might see Agnew sit rather than Rolle. With Herbert there are eight DBs listed and just six LBs.

[Rocket]

Doesn't sound like there will be a big crowd on hand in Fort McMurray which is quite perplexing as I can't imagine what else there is to do there: http://www.edmontonsun.com/2015/06/26/displaced-home-opener-against-eskimos-fails-to-sell-out-rays-record-500-with-toronto

Yep leave it to David Braley to spoil and kill any attempt for the Argos to get any new fans. Takes the money for himself which I hear was pretty high to play this game at fort Mac in return Argos play in front of a crowd of 5000 and makes the team and cfl look very bush league by playing in such a venue. On top of that leaves the Argos with one less home game just another of Braleys attempt to kill of there small fan base.
Anyways back to the on field stuff I think the Argos are going to lose this one with to many players missing and new players to the roster will take time to adjust. With Eskimos being one of the top teams in the league I see the Eskimos winning 34-18.

[Wobbler]

I was thinking about that too, but I think I would still sit Rolle. Agnew is more versatile and is probably our preferred nickelback (whereas Herbert was brought off the PR for ratio purposes).

[shayman]

Doesn't sound like there will be a big crowd on hand in Fort McMurray which is quite perplexing as I can't imagine what else there is to do there: http://www.edmontonsun.com/2015/06/26/displaced-home-opener-against-eskimos-fails-to-sell-out-rays-record-500-with-toronto

Most of the tickets are $100. That doesn't help.

[1argoholic]

Friggin Argonaut football. I have the pregame jitters. haha. Just thinking of it being game day has me excited and sort of nervous. The feeling I got before hockey games, track and cross country meets. I never get those feelings anymore. Time to get my shite over with and get home early enough to crack a beautiful Black Oak Brown Ale.

My next post will either be happy or bitching about my team. haha. I don't expect much but I always hope we kill the other team.

[AngeloV]

Doesn't sound like there will be a big crowd on hand in Fort McMurray which is quite perplexing as I can't imagine what else there is to do there: http://www.edmontonsun.com/2015/06/26/displaced-home-opener-against-eskimos-fails-to-sell-out-rays-record-500-with-toronto

Advantage Argos...Their already used to playing in front of a lot of empty seats.



Most of the tickets are $100. That doesn't help.

That is so foolish. Did Braley sell this game? Is it him that stands to lose money on this, or some promoters?

[bluto]

Jaysus tap-dancing Cristos...

I am over the moon to be counting down to Argonaut Football.

Lots of question marks on the squad but there's potential upside that's not so difficult to see... also easy to see that there will be plenty of growing pains as the team settles in.

But the remainder of our division sucks (yes, Hamilton too especially since I can't see Collaros making it through the year healthy) so we have every reason to expect a run at the playoffs.

May be a bit messy getting there (including our first "home game" today)... but most of you are cut from the same double blue cloth that I am and we wouldn't have it any other frickin way.

Everyone grab an oar and man your station. Time to Pull Together!

[argolio]

Doesn't sound like there will be a big crowd on hand in Fort McMurray which is quite perplexing as I can't imagine what else there is to do there: http://www.edmontonsun.com/2015/06/26/displaced-home-opener-against-eskimos-fails-to-sell-out-rays-record-500-with-torontoThe Tarsands Bar & Grill must be really popular.

[1argoholic]

Not sure who would know Lori Bursey on here but her and my buddy Finn are there. Lori's nickname is The Diva so I sent her an e-mail asking her if she was at the local mall shopping for a new oil and fire resistant lumber jacket. haha. When she moved from the 416 to 905 I bought her a blue and black lumber jacket and she was discussed and took right back to Marks. Should be some good stories from The Mac.

[ArgoZ]

KICKOFF! Let's do this ARRRGOOOS. Come on D-line, kill em.

[ArgoRavi]

Henry Josey and Jason Vega are the scratches. That would lead me to believe that Anthony Coombs will see more time at tailback today.

[Wobbler]

Prediction: 15-4 Eskimos at the half, 25-19 Argos final.

[ArgoZ]

The stands look mostly empty. They couldn't put this game in London or anywhere in Ontario, rather than this place?

[Wobbler]

All Whitaker, all the time, eh? I'm surprised.

[ArgoZ]

Argos pin them near the goal line on a planned fumble. At least the seats are Argos colours.

[Wobbler]

Wonderful stuff by the D!

[ArgoRavi]

I have a good feeling about this Argo defence and they couldn't have started off much better on that side of the ball with a safety touch.

[ArgoRavi]

The stands look mostly empty. They couldn't put this game in London or anywhere in Ontario, rather than this place?

I was thinking the same thing but the weather, at least, is much better in northern Alberta than in London today.

[Qman]

Most of the tickets are $100. That doesn't help.

virtually all the tickets were $99.

braley essentially sold the game. FortMac offered him a revenue guarantee and pay all costs of the argonauts.

[1argoholic]

Too bad when you can hear stomach growls, farts and idle chit chat between fans. Horrible crowd. Fort Crap, great place for this game.

[1argoholic]

That dude yelling at anything to hear is own voice is started to piss me off like that screeching weasel caught in a trap chic in Regina.

What a dumb place for the jumbotron. No wonder why Waters missed.

[argonaut11xx]

all i can hear is some idiot eskimo fan yelling....with a crowd this small, they may as well just give that guy his own mike..


if they do a 50/50 draw i bet you could win at least 30 bucks

[Argo57]

That dude yelling at anything to hear is own voice is started to piss me off like that screeching weasel caught in a trap chic in Regina.

Careful, that could be T-Bone and the gang, could get you banned!!

[ArgoZ]

That dude yelling at anything to hear is own voice is started to piss me off like that screeching weasel caught in a trap chic in Regina.

He's aggravating. There is a woman in Calgary I can hear every game too.

[1argoholic]

That's what I was saying about bigyapguy.

[gilthethrill]

2 turnovers by veterans, a missed FG.....penalties.......ugh.....

[Wobbler]

That was *not* a good looking blitz. Reilly looked awfully comfortable throwing the TD.

[Argo57]

The penalty parade continues this season, shitty officiating!!

[Wobbler]

What's wrong with the officiating, A57?

[1argoholic]

Whitaker looks like a GREAT signing right now. SWEET!

[Deerkeeper]

The penalty parade continues this season, shitty officiating continues.
How are the refs responsible for the penalties the players take?

[Argo57]

What's wrong with the officiating, A57?

They are calling penalties against the Argos.......unacceptable in my opinion!!

[matthew]

Looks bad on tv for crowd

[Fumblitis]

Josey was listed as today's starter on the depth chart yesterday then I hear he's a scratch. Is he a healthy scratch to make way for Whitaker or is he hurt?

[jerrym]

Welcome to the Argos, Mr. Whitaker! Nice TD.

[1argoholic]

I feel bad as I don't own a Joesph Abood suit. haha.

[argonaut11xx]

I feel bad as I don't own a Joesph Abood suit. haha.

I can see it now, that nice Joseph Abood suit, and you covering it with argo buttons

[gilthethrill]

Harris sucks too!!!!

[Wobbler]

Harris has been MONEY today. I don't think he's made a bad decision yet.

[Argo57]

What's wrong with the officiating, A57?

It seems to be improving!!

[Fumblitis]

I think Harris can play.

[Wobbler]

I don't know what happened on that punt, but damn - Waters did his job! That thing just *died* on the 1 yard line.

[1argoholic]

Nice leading with the head on that penalty. That guy better get fined. Not sure about the penalty on Rolle. Need another look. He should have just dropped down and hammered him hard.

Why did Fort Mac build this joint?

[jerrym]

Yacman Durie has a nice 10 yard gain showing he's his old self.

[Argo57]

Wow, Gabriel came to play today!!

[Wobbler]

Gabriel knocks the ball out!

[gilthethrill]

Dumb gamble on 3rd down....take the points....

[1argoholic]

WOOOW what a stupid call. When did Milanovich become a gambler.

[gilthethrill]

Harris has been MONEY today. I don't think he's made a bad decision yet.

Ahhh sarcasm Wobbler...don't you know me by now?

[gilthethrill]

Horse collar tackles are different this season.

[ArgoZ]

Argos keep making plays negated by borderline penalties. Just let them play!

[Wobbler]

That penalty on Jefferson looked iffy. Isn't this stuff reviewable now?

I should never have questioned you, Argo57!

[jerrym]

Argo defence playing well despite so many new players.

[jerrym]

I hope Swayze is not seriously injured. It would be a big loss.

[Wobbler]

Ahhh sarcasm Wobbler...don't you know me by now?
I wasn't replying to you - we just posted at almost the same time!

[Fumblitis]

These refs are starting to get flag happy again.

[1argoholic]

On a side note BELL SUCKS! For no apparent reason my business line goes down, up, down. SCREW BELL and their fools at their call centre. Dealing with this CRAP during my game no less.

[Wobbler]

A designed run play that worked!

[1argoholic]

Hanging in and hopefully we can find a way to pull this home game out.haha

Harris looks very good to say the least.

The crowd is starting to fade from the crude oil smell. haahaa, I kill me.

Black Oak Nut Brown Ale the beer of champions!!

[Wobbler]

I am so very happy that A) Argo football is back, B) The game is competitive and fun, and C) WE LOOK GOOD.

A isn't a surprise despite the strange venue, but B and C were very much in question.

[matthew]

Looking good so far.

[jerrym]

Harris a perfect 13/13 for more than 190 yards at the half - looks like the Argos are in very good hands at qb.

[Argo57]

I hope Swayze is not seriously injured. It would be a big loss.


This development is alarming and would be a serious blow!

[KCargosfan]

Gabriel is a beast. Heck of a first half.

[ArgoRavi]

The officials are going a little crazy with the horse collar penalties IMO. That was also a questionable penalty against Jefferson to nullify an INT as well.

[ArgoRavi]

This development is alarming and would be a serious blow!

It cost the Argos three key points too.

[ArgoRavi]

Josey was listed as today's starter on the depth chart yesterday then I hear he's a scratch. Is he a healthy scratch to make way for Whitaker or is he hurt?

They weren't comfortable having rookie Josey in having major blocking responsibilities against that Edmonton defence. They opted to go with the veteran Whitaker instead.

[OV Argo]

Empty seats galore = a bit of an embarassment for the CFL\

Argos looking pretty good - Harris looking poised and accurate; Whitaker with some big gainers; Gabriel a beast at safety; Greenwood looking solid; Waters getting hurt = scary; pretty nice signing to have Stala available to kick - otherwise - who else would it be ?

[Qman]

watching the TFC game during halftime. way more empty seats at bmo

just a heads up ... you might not want to sit too low next year. Even with the roofs, the bottom half over the lower deck is still going to get wet.

[argonaut11xx]

They weren't comfortable having rookie Josey in having major blocking responsibilities against that Edmonton defence. They opted to go with the veteran Whitaker instead.

This looks like a very smart call by the coach....Whitaker is on fire...

[Argo57]

Argos keep making plays negated by borderline penalties. Just let them play!

This is my point, sure penalties should be called but sometimes the calls are ridiculous and change the games outcome, I'm with Climie on the bogus "horse collar" call against Okpalaugo just brutal, my last rant against these boneheads.

[jerrym]

Gabriel once again impresses me deeply.

[1argoholic]

This is why the Stalla signing was so important. Holy crap first game in Montreal and two qb's go down and now we lose the best kicker in the league. Just GREAT!

[jerrym]

Nice sack by Cleon Laing!

[jerrym]

Isaac's quick response nets a fumble recovery from Reilly.

[jerrym]

Whitaker shows he still has the moves on a 9 yard run.

[jerrym]

Great catch by Elliott to set up a TD. How the hell was there no penalty called on the hit on Harris after the play was blown dead?

[1argoholic]

The official have no clue. TD TO!!! Hell Yah! I don't like the new point after rules.

[Argo57]

Great catch by Elliott to set up a TD. How the hell was there no penalty called on the hit on Harris after the play was blown dead?

Accidental contact, seems you can steamroll the QB after the whistle blows.

[jerrym]

Three attempts at 2 points and the Argos blow it. The second one where Adrian ran right into the middle of a collapsed line was particularly ugly.

[ArgoZ]

The official have no clue. TD TO!!! Hell Yah! I don't like the new point after rules.

I do. Why get an almost guaranteed point? There are going to be some games won on a PAT, and that's the way it should be.

[jerrym]

With Waters gone, do the Argos have no confidence in anyone being able to kick a convert, let alone a FG?

[jerrym]

After going 15/15, Harris throws his first incompletion. Great work, Trevor!

[Wobbler]

Reilly without mobility isn't a great QB. I like our chances.

[1argoholic]

Nice that the CFL is using local officials from the Crude Oil Football Association. Do they have to huddle after every frigging play?

[ArgoZ]

Nice on a rope Harris. Argos young recievers and young QB look alright.

[KCargosfan]

Reilly isn't a great QB. I like our chances.

fify

[1argoholic]

SWEET!! That was a manly catch not Gurly. Hell Yah!!!

[jerrym]

Gurley catches TD making Harris now 19/21 for 300 yards!

[argonaut11xx]

Zac Who?????????????????????????

[Neely2005]

Zach who?
;)

[Neely2005]

Lol, beat me to it.
:)

[KCargosfan]

Where's ArgoTom at to complain about our QB situation? Harris putting on a clinic.

[ArgoZ]

Zac Who?????????????????????????



LOL! I've always said Harris throws a better ball. Zack is a better scrambler. It would be great to see both these guys become CFL stars.

[Argo57]

Gurley beat Watkins like a rented mule.

[jerrym]

Nice touch on pass by Harris to Owens for 2 pointer.

[jerrym]

Owens follows up drawing no yards penalty followed nifty shifting for a long gain on punt return.

[1argoholic]

Funny posts!!!!

What will the players life expectancy be after playing in the stink that is Fort Crap?

Harris ROCKS!!!

[argonaut11xx]

who'd have thunk the Dave Stala signing would be so important....i hope the Argo's can pull this out.

being TIED for first place with Ottawa would be so ...awesome/weird...

[ArgoZ]

Funny posts!!!!

What will the players life expectancy be after playing in the stink that is Fort Crap?

Harris ROCKS!!!

As long as the plane leaves after the game so the players can't celebrate with Fort Mac's cocaine, hookers and Somali gangsters, they will be fine.

[1argoholic]

hahahahahaha!!!!! ArgoZ that is Too Funny!!!

[argonaut11xx]

As long as the plane leaves after the game so the players can't celebrate with Fort Mac's cocaine, hookers and Somali gangsters, they will be fine.

Somali Hookers, Shemales with cocaine, and bars with mechanical bull's.....

Poor T-Bone may never be the same....(haha)

[jerrym]

Missing that FG is big. Instead of a 17 point lead and Edmonton needing 3 scores, they can do it with 2 TDs and 2 pointers. Unlikely to happen but it means that since Harris is limping slightly, there is a risk of aggravating it if he keeps playing. At 17 points, the Argos could easily rest him.

[jerrym]

As I finished typing the last post, Reilly limps off the field with a serious injury, illustrating what I just said.

[1argoholic]

Plus plenty of oil, hash oil.

Reilly's leg isn't meant to bend like that. Suiter is such a tool. Laing was falling and pushed. How was he supposed to avoid that.

[jerrym]

Underwood's interception pretty much clinches the game.

[jerrym]

For anyone who is interested, it's 2=0 for England vs. Canada at the 35 minute mark in Women's World Cup Soccer.

[1argoholic]

I never expected this. SWEET and this gives me much hope. Harris is player of the week unless someone stands on their head in this next game.

[ArgoRavi]

This is why the Stalla signing was so important. Holy crap first game in Montreal and two qb's go down and now we lose the best kicker in the league. Just GREAT!

I suspect that Waters could have gone back in if necessary but I don't think that the Argos want to take any chances at all with him in Week 1. Make sure he is 100% healthy before he kicks again.

[ArgoRavi]

Where's ArgoTom at to complain about our QB situation? Harris putting on a clinic.

He complained after Harris' fine performance against Ottawa in the final game of 2014 but he absolutely should not find anything to complain about with this performance today.

[argotom]

He complained after Harris' fine performance against Ottawa in the final game of 2014 but he absolutely should not find anything to complain about with this performance today.


I am here Ravi.
Wow, did anyone see this coming.
An awesome game by Harris and company.
A few more games like this and it will be who cares about Zach, yes I have said it.

[jerrym]

Harris goes 24/27 for 347 yards and 3 TDs, Owen has 7 receptions for 99 yards, Whitaker gains 117 yards rushing and a 57 yard reception for a TD, while YACMAN does his thing catching 7 for 63 and Kevin Elliott pulls in 3 for 77. The defence has 6 turnovers and limits the Eskimos to 11 points. What's not to like about this team (other than the injury to Swayze)?

http://www.cfl.ca/statistics/statsGame/id/12853

[ArgoZ]

A perfect start to the season. Congrats Argonauts and to us fans back here in Ontario. Happy on a crappy, gloomy day! Now on to Riderville for a tough game.

[ArgofanIan]

We are off to a great start....Go ARRRRGOOOS.... also thanks to Argo fans that made the trip to support the team.....looking forward to our first home game in Toronto

[Argo57]

Great win, lots of promising takeaways from this one.
Great confidence boost for Trevor Harris and the entire offence.
Defensive performance was stellar, have to give Creehan credit called a great game.
Love the aggressive swagger this D seems to have, D line looks like they have the potential to be dominant, Gabriel and the DB's played well and loved Isaac's game today.
Bank this one, some tough games ahead.
Kudos to the officiating crew who as it turned out did a damn fine job!!!

[jerrym]

Canada has scored and is now down 2-1 at the half vs England in Women's World Cup soccer.

[argotom]

What happened to all that money in the Fort, it was sad to see the stadium half empty on TV.

[jerrym]

Here's the game summary.

http://cfl.ca/article/new-blue-newcomers-lead-argos-over-esks-in-fort-mcmurray

[Qman]

Canada has scored and is now down 2-1 at the half vs England in Women's World Cup soccer.

watching the riders game instead, women's soccer is unwatchable.

[Argo57]

What happened to all that money in the Fort, it was sad to see the stadium half empty on TV.

Argo fan day looked better attended than this game.

[ArgoRavi]

I am here Ravi.
Wow, did anyone see this coming.
An awesome game by Harris and company.
A few more games like this and it will be who cares about Zach, yes I have said it.

Nice to see, AT!

[Qman]

Argo fan day looked better attended than this game.

should have played the game at UT or THF

[Johno27]

Character win for the double blue with the deck stacked against them against a tough Edmonton team. Jim Barker seems to have added the right mix of character and talent in all three phases and they justified his moves today under difficult circumstances. This should give Argo Nation a bit of confidence as they continue to battle on this brutal road trip. Courageous performance from Trevor Harris!

[ArgoRavi]

What happened to all that money in the Fort, it was sad to see the stadium half empty on TV.

I don't think that anyone saw the price of oil dropping like it has when they decided to build that stadium a couple of years ago. I wonder how many people will show up for the Aerosmith concert in a couple of weeks there. I hope we never see another CFL game there though.

[argotom]

I don't think that anyone saw the price of oil dropping like it has when they decided to build that stadium a couple of years ago. I wonder how many people will show up for the Aerosmith concert in a couple of weeks there. I hope we never see another CFL game there though.


It says something about the lack of support as well for the Esks, being the closest team away.
Pathetic.

[argotom]

Argo fan day looked better attended than this game.

The game should have been played in Oshawa, they would have sold out the place.

[ArgoZ]

It says something about the lack of support as well for the Esks, being the closest team away.
Pathetic. The Esks had decent support, getting people to drive 4hrs North for the pre-season game. At $100 a ticket, it seems people spoke with their wallets this time, very similar to the Bills in Toronto games.

[ArgoRavi]

The Esks had decent support, getting people to drive 4hrs North for the pre-season game. At $100 a ticket, it seems people spoke with their wallets this time, very similar to the Bills in Toronto games.

It is similar and yet different IMO. Toronto is a city with lots of things to do. A regular season professional football game should have been the biggest thing to hit Fort McMurray ever. That they didn't sell it out easily, or even come close, is a bit of a head-scratcher unless there simply aren't enough people living there that can afford the ticket. How much is Aerosmith charging in a couple of weeks?

[Rocket]

The stands look mostly empty. They couldn't put this game in London or anywhere in Ontario, rather than this place?

Unfortunately the Argos are still owned by cheapskate Braley. Braley only took this game there because he was guaranteed a substantial amount of money for him to sit on his butt and let someone else organize and do all the work for him.

[argotom]

It is similar and yet different IMO. Toronto is a city with lots of things to do. A regular season professional football game should have been the biggest thing to hit Fort McMurray ever. That they didn't sell it out easily, or even come close, is a bit of a head-scratcher unless there simply aren't enough people living there that can afford the ticket. How much is Aerosmith charging in a couple of weeks?


I know the internet won't have an accurate up to date count, any idea what the population is in the Fort?

[ArgoRavi]

I know the internet won't have an accurate up to date count, any idea what the population is in the Fort?

I believe it is in the 70k range. For some reason I remember hearing 76k.

[Argo57]

Unfortunately the Argos are still owned by cheapskate Braley. Braley only took this game there because he was guaranteed a substantial amount of money for him to sit on his butt and let someone else organize and do all the work for him.

Yes but the new ownership and stadium situation being resolved almost makes bashing Braley irrelevant, most are looking forward to much better days ahead.

[VANRIDERFAN]

It is similar and yet different IMO. Toronto is a city with lots of things to do. A regular season professional football game should have been the biggest thing to hit Fort McMurray ever. That they didn't sell it out easily, or even come close, is a bit of a head-scratcher unless there simply aren't enough people living there that can afford the ticket. How much is Aerosmith charging in a couple of weeks?

I think the 100 bucks was the deciding factor. Family of 4 thats already 400.00 before anything else. And with the downturn people will be a little more stingy with their money. 50 bucks per for the good seats and less for the poor seats. Better to have a full house.

[ArgoZ]

It is similar and yet different IMO. Toronto is a city with lots of things to do. A regular season professional football game should have been the biggest thing to hit Fort McMurray ever. That they didn't sell it out easily, or even come close, is a bit of a head-scratcher unless there simply aren't enough people living there that can afford the ticket. How much is Aerosmith charging in a couple of weeks?

You make good points, but remember, they had a good crowd for the previous game. The only thing that is different is price. Did everyone blow their budget on the pre-season game? With the uncertainty around the oil business, you can't blame people for being more frugal, when there is a perception of job losses/cuts around town. I know nothing regarding the Aerosmith gig, but it will be interesting to see the result there also.

[doubleblue]

We the people aren't stupid and know when we are being gouged. We are gouged at the Grey Cups, but that's a little different. Even if people there in St. Mac can afford the $100.00 it is still the gouging and it turns people off. Taxes will probably be hiked now to pay for the bath the City took. That's the way that works as we all know.

[jerrym]

With the oil economy in the dumps, it is not surprising that $100 tickets were not selling like hotcakes.

[Deerkeeper]

The stands look mostly empty. They couldn't put this game in London or anywhere in Ontario, rather than this place?
Honestly, if they put this game in London, I don't think it would have sold much better. Would have had a few more Argo fans making the drive, but local interest would be zilch.

[ArgoGabe22]

Where's ArgoTom at to complain about our QB situation? Harris putting on a clinic.

Now waiting for Angelo to chime in telling us how he's been to most of the practices the last 3 seasons and always knew Harris had the ability :p

[argotom]

Now waiting for Angelo to chime in telling us how he's been to most of the practices the last 3 seasons and always knew Harris had the ability :p


I have given Harris credit for today's fantastic performance.
Hopefully he can keep this going.

[ArgoZ]

Honestly, if they put this game in London, I don't think it would have sold much better. Would have had a few more Argo fans making the drive, but local interest would be zilch.

Why would you believe so? There is a good football culture there. I have found London to be very Toronto friendly. They have a good stadium. Judging by the crowd today, our pre-season game at Varsity drew better. I can't see London not trumping both crowds, weather not withstanding of course.

[shayman]

It was so hot at the game that a lot of people retreated to watch from shady areas or under the concourse. That didn't help the look of fullness.

Band had a fantastic time. 24 of us on hand. We gotta do this again.

[paulwoods13]

A fantastic performance by what appears to be a very, very solid team. Where to start?

Harris was superb, obviously, and you also have to give credit to Milanovich and Brady. Clearly the offence is incredibly well designed when a guy making his second career start (albeit a four-year veteran of the scheme) can step in that impressively.

Barker has been a good recruiter since he joined the Argos in 2010, but this has potential to be his finest job. Three talented and aggressive new receivers, a bunch of defensive linemen with big motors, and three new DBs who can definitely cover -- even when the Eskimos completed passes there were defenders within inches.

The o-line was mostly excellent -- Campbell appeared to grade out the worst of them to my eyes but I'm confident he will be alright.

Whitaker is obviously an excellent addition, and thank the stars we signed Stala. If Waters is out for a while we should try to go after Hugh O'Neil who I believe was cut last week.

Gabriel was a beast at safety. The LBs were superb: Jones and Greenwood were all over the field and Isaac made a few veteran-savvy plays.

Other than Waters' injury, there was basically NOTHING to complain about. When was the last time we could say that?

[argonaut11xx]

With the oil economy in the dumps, it is not surprising that $100 tickets were not selling like hotcakes.

Tryed my best,....used PREMIUM GAS....asked for DOUBLE bags at safeway,...anything plastic, anything that would piss off (the fraud) Suzuki,...

And the crowd was still less than a gathering at either York, or U of T,.....

but who cares...THE ARGO`S WON...

[jerrym]

Whitaker looks like his old self, adding a dimension to the Argo offence that wasn't there last year (and I'm saying this even though I think Steele is a good RB).

[1argoholic]

Argonaut11xx we can agree on the love of our team and CFL but I'm a total environmentalist. I care more about nature and the David Suzuki's of the World rather then DICKS like PM Harper who loves nothing more then to trash our planet. He has the total BS beliefs that his god or jesus will be back to heal all the damage that he's done.
Oh and a big F to the Fort Macs of the world.
I'd feel worse if one of my Red and Grey Squirrels or Chipmunks was hit in front our house rather than a person. People that feel they're rulers of this planet are misguided. Basically people piss me off.

Great game by the guys. Hope Waters is ok or I'd bring in McCallum.

[Will]

I have to admit it was an awkward situation for the Argos game day team. It was a "home game," but obviously the majority of the crowd was cheering for the Eskimos. They tried to bring reminders of home such as Don Landry on PA, the Argonotes and the cheerleaders. The geography of the area seems nice, the complex they've built is impressive, but haven't seen enough of area to make a judgment yet. The road from Edmonton is 2-lanes (being twinned).

As for the game the Argos did leave some points on the field, but breaking in new running backs and receivers I can excuse that. The O-line kept Harris upright for the most part which was great. It was good to see Elliott, Hazelton and Gurley make contributions today as well as Whitaker. Argos D nice and physical too.

[argotom]

Waters loss hopefully will not be a crucial blow, I recall he had a similar injury back in 13 with Pre coming back.

[Argo]

Tryed my best,....used PREMIUM GAS....asked for DOUBLE bags at safeway,...anything plastic, anything that would piss off (the fraud) Suzuki,...

And the crowd was still less than a gathering at either York, or U of T,.....

but who cares...THE ARGO`S WON...

What a superb game played by Harris and the rest of the team, masterfully assembled by Barker and tutored by the coaching staff!
It is, however, no surprise, to anyone that appreciated the talent on this team... and the consistent, sensible, confidence of Harris.

The only negative - apart from the possible extent of Waters' injury - is the quoted rant, which is certainly one of the most asinine posts that I've seen in any forum anywhere.

Any intelligent citizen can learn that the world is being choked by plastic waste, material that features a complex of ecologically and biologically insidious properties. So much for quantity, and so much for the perverse lust for DOUBLE bags.

What about quality? Interestingly enough, the subject of the latest episode of The Nature of Things - in the 31st year (IIRC) of "The Fraud", Dr. David Suzuki, educating people around the world by explaining the scientific basis of how the world works - concerns the endocrine disruptors now linked to the global epidemic of human obesity, i.e., the various chemical compounds involved with plastic, plastic containers, and various other kinds of product.

Similarly - depressingly so - shooting a messenger of anthropogenic global warming - yet again, "(the fraud) Suzuki", a scientist with a comprehensive understanding of the myriad interrelationships in nature, and in agreement with the world's climatologists - reveals a poster content to wallow in a deep well of impenetrable ignorance. I suggest the poster avail himself of the several high-quality online courses concerned with climate change, put together by collections of recognized scientific experts and offered through some of the world's top universities. Do not omit "Making Sense of Climate Change Denial" at edx.org.

This board is supposed to be about the Toronto Argonauts. The subject is Canadian Football. This is a forum to talk football, not to spit out venom that only serves to defame one of your betters.

So talk football and let everyone else talk football. Here it should be all about our shared interest in the Toronto Argonauts and the CFL.

[ArgoRavi]

Hope Waters is ok or I'd bring in McCallum.

The problem is that McCallum can only kick FG from within 40 yards, although he is near perfect in his ability to do so. He can't punt or do kickoffs anymore so you would have to bring a second kicker in to do that stuff unless you want to count on Stala for that. I have a feeling that Waters won't be out for very long but I could see them having to use a replacement next week at least. Hugh O'Neill might be the best available guy out there at the moment.

[AngeloV]

Not sure who would know Lori Bursey on here but her and my buddy Finn are there. Lori's nickname is The Diva so I sent her an e-mail asking her if she was at the local mall shopping for a new oil and fire resistant lumber jacket. haha. When she moved from the 416 to 905 I bought her a blue and black lumber jacket and she was discussed and took right back to Marks. Should be some good stories from The Mac.

I talk to Lori all the time at practices. She is a great fan and nice person.

[AngeloV]

Now waiting for Angelo to chime in telling us how he's been to most of the practices the last 3 seasons and always knew Harris had the ability :p

I have nothing to lie about. I admit that when the Argos had both QB's, I was higher on Collaros. I don't have any problem with him at all. My problem is with people that say they should have dumped a hall of fame QB, who at the time likely had 5 good season's left, in order to give his job to a guy that had played 5 good games. With the exception of Eric Tillman, no GM would do that. Collaros want to start right away, and left. OTOH, Harris showed patience, and a great team first mentality. He deserves a lot more respect than he gets from the guys that have a man crush on ZC.

[LLB997]

It says something about the lack of support as well for the Esks, being the closest team away.
Pathetic.

didn't the esks already play preseason game in Fort Mac ?? how was attendance for that 1?

[ArgoRavi]

didn't the esks already play preseason game in Fort Mac ?? how was attendance for that 1?

A little under 12k.

[AngeloV]

What a superb game played by Harris and the rest of the team, masterfully assembled by Barker and tutored by the coaching staff!
It is, however, no surprise, to anyone that appreciated the talent on this team... and the consistent, sensible, confidence of Harris.

The only negative - apart from the possible extent of Waters' injury - is the quoted rant, which is certainly one of the most asinine posts that I've seen in any forum anywhere.

Any intelligent citizen can learn that the world is being choked by plastic waste, material that features a complex of ecologically and biologically insidious properties. So much for quantity, and so much for the perverse lust for DOUBLE bags.

What about quality? Interestingly enough, the subject of the latest episode of The Nature of Things - in the 31st year (IIRC) of "The Fraud", Dr. David Suzuki, educating people around the world by explaining the scientific basis of how the world works - concerns the endocrine disruptors now linked to the global epidemic of human obesity, i.e., the various chemical compounds involved with plastic, plastic containers, and various other kinds of product.

Similarly - depressingly so - shooting a messenger of anthropogenic global warming - yet again, "(the fraud) Suzuki", a scientist with a comprehensive understanding of the myriad interrelationships in nature, and in agreement with the world's climatologists - reveals a poster content to wallow in a deep well of impenetrable ignorance. I suggest the poster avail himself of the several high-quality online courses concerned with climate change, put together by collections of recognized scientific experts and offered through some of the world's top universities. Do not omit "Making Sense of Climate Change Denial" at edx.org.

This board is supposed to be about the Toronto Argonauts. The subject is Canadian Football. This is a forum to talk football, not to spit out venom that only serves to defame one of your betters.

So talk football and let everyone else talk football. Here it should be all about our shared interest in the Toronto Argonauts and the CFL.

Great post Argo!!!

[argosrule2415]

I had my doubts about this game, especially Harris but after tonight...not anymore. WOW! What a performance by #7. I know it's only his second career start, but he really looked good out there. The team as a whole was awesome. The early turnovers in the first quarter had me thinking that it would turn out like last season where we were turnover machines that led to our downfall but the men pulled through and my hat goes off to them.

Doing it without a kicker for half the game was just the icing on the cake. Hope Waters injury isn't too serious though. Not really comfortable with Stala handling our kicking duties. On to week number two!

[shayman]

A little under 12k.

FYI that game was hyped for 2 years as the stadium was being built and featured a huge natural rivalry between Edmonton and Saskatchewan and the kickoff event in a brand new facility. It's too bad our game was so close to that one. I'm sure the novelty wore off.

Have seen lots of ads for two upcoming NASL games, FC Edmonton vs San Antonio or something, priced $10-$45. It'll be interesting to see what sort of crowd they get for that at that price point.

I think it's a neat spot, a gorgeous setting surrounded by trees - you can't even really see another building from the stadium, just trees in every direction. There ought to be an exhibition game here periodically, despite the smaller crowd today. (wow, was it hot, everybody was looking for shade..)

["Issues"Mcgee]

Great game! Harris played way better than I expected with his near record-breaking performance. I had my doubts about him since the Collaros days but I will gladly eat my hat with no sauce after seeing what he did. The defence is vicious, but it will be interesting to see how they hold up against other Western teams. Sad to see Swayze go down but I doubt he will be out for long as there were talks of him returning late in the game. Whitaker looks good. I think the Boatmen should regularly gun for two points after the major if Harris is doing this great.

Now the first five games of football season are never telling but I'm optimistic. I haven't seen this team with naked eyes yet, though I had a feeling the media wasn't giving them enough credit. The Argos look good.

Nice stadium. God awful attendance. Looks like were going to have to pack the house on August 8. Can't wait for the "F you Rogers" chants!

[Rocket]

Yes but the new ownership and stadium situation being resolved almost makes bashing Braley irrelevant, most are looking forward to much better days ahead.


Yes I agree I hope to see those better days ahead for the Argos. I was just trying to point out yet again for some of the people that actually think Braley has done good for the Argos and cfl that he has been a total failure in trying to build up this league and its fan base. We should never forget all of the mistakes and failures that occurred with him running this franchise to the ground so we don't repeat ourselves in the future.

[Argo57]

Harris played a great game yesterday but let's also credit the O-Line who played really well, Himebauch's coaching seems to have already benefitted this team!!

[Argo57]

Argonaut11xx we can agree on the love of our team and CFL but I'm a total environmentalist. I care more about nature and the David Suzuki's of the World rather then DICKS like PM Harper who loves nothing more then to trash our planet. He has the total BS beliefs that his god or jesus will be back to heal all the damage that he's done.
Oh and a big F to the Fort Macs of the world.
I'd feel worse if one of my Red and Grey Squirrels or Chipmunks was hit in front our house rather than a person. People that feel they're rulers of this planet are misguided. Basically people piss me off.

Great game by the guys. Hope Waters is ok or I'd bring in McCallum.

Thumbs up!!

[hugoagogo]

Congrats Argos (and fans) on the convincing win yesterday. There was not a weak area of the game at all for your guys. They dominated and my Esks looked like they were still in preseason. I was particularly surprised at how open the lanes were in the middle for Whitaker.

Hoping Waters is okay. Any word? Still no official word on the extent of Reilly's injury, but I don't think it looks good at all. These things happen. Wish our coach would have pulled him after the first injury earlier in the game, but he can be a stubborn guy (both coach Jones and Reilly).

[doubleblue]

Argonaut11xx we can agree on the love of our team and CFL but I'm a total environmentalist. I care more about nature and the David Suzuki's of the World rather then DICKS like PM Harper who loves nothing more then to trash our planet. He has the total BS beliefs that his god or jesus will be back to heal all the damage that he's done.
Oh and a big F to the Fort Macs of the world.
I'd feel worse if one of my Red and Grey Squirrels or Chipmunks was hit in front our house rather than a person. People that feel they're rulers of this planet are misguided. Basically people piss me off.

Great game by the guys. Hope Waters is ok or I'd bring in McCallum.

According to the Forum Rules most of these remarks should be in some Off Topic threads.

[1argoholic]

I know doubleblue but I just had to respond to argonautxx11's comments about oil,plastic etc.

Anyhow I was thrilled with the play of Harris who looked like a seasoned vet. I like Collaros as well but Harris seems to have a better attitude or personality. Some of Collaros's interviews have me believing that we have the right guy after all.

I never thought Barker, Milanovich and the rest of the coaches could have pulled all these new faces together so fast. These guys all deserve a ton of credit. We just have to make it clear to Harris to stay safe and not take any crazy chances running the ball and getting hammered and injured. We don't need anymore qb's going down this year.

I guess Durrant and Lefevor are done for the year and I'll be surprised if Reilly isn't as well. Nice the little respect Glenn gets despite having the most wins of any CFL qb since 2010.

[jerrym]

I wasn't expecting much from the defence, especially at the beginning of the season, with all the new faces and Creehan, considering his record in Hamilton. However, Creehan has done a great job getting this defence to jell quickly.

[ArgoRavi]

I wasn't expecting much from the defence, especially at the beginning of the season, with all the new faces and Creehan, considering his record in Hamilton. However, Creehan has done a great job getting this defence to jell quickly.

It is amazing how good a coach will look when you give him the proper amount of talent to work with. Perhaps lack of talent or not having the right guys for his system was the biggest problem that Creehan had in his previous stops. I was, admittedly, a little concerned when he was appointed as defensive coordinator but as the weeks of training camp and preseason progressed and I heard what many of the players were saying about him and his system, I was feeling much better. Yesterday's game makes me feel even better although I realize it is only the first game.

[Argo57]

It is amazing how good a coach will look when you give him the proper amount of talent to work with. Perhaps lack of talent or not having the right guys for his system was the biggest problem that Creehan had in his previous stops. I was, admittedly, a little concerned when he was appointed as defensive coordinator but as the weeks of training camp and preseason progressed and I heard what many of the players were saying about him and his system, I was feeling much better. Yesterday's game makes me feel even better although I realize it is only the first game.

Like the aggressive play of this D already, seems less passive than the last 2 years or so.
Major talent upgrade is evident in regards to the D-Line and secondary, add that to our linebacking group and they are fun to watch.
Love seeing Isaac back to his 2012 form, he even looked good in coverage yesterday as well, now the big question for the Argonauts will be consistently performing at a high level throughout the season!

[ArgoRavi]

Here is the awarding of the game balls from yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqEk-eNOfJc&feature=youtu.be

[jerrym]

I want first to salute Barker and Milanovich for not bailing on the Argos in the most difficult circumstances imaginable over an extended period of time. Second (and I do mean second because without the first there is no second), the great job that they have done, as seen in this game, in view of these adverse conditions, including having little money to spend on new players.

[jerrym]

Speaking on Milanovich, here are his comments on the game in video form:

http://www.cfl.ca/article/harris-on-the-money-in-second-career-start

[1argoholic]

Thanks Ravi as the video was great. They seem like a team already. Man Harris looks like a linebacker and stala looks like a kid they plucked off a playground. He's one skinny dude. How has he survived for 13 seasons. Great move by Barker and Milanovich by bringing in two guys who fit right away. GREAT VIDEO!!!

[ArgoRavi]

Speaking on Milanovich, here are his comments on the game in video form:

http://www.cfl.ca/article/harris-on-the-money-in-second-career-start

I liked how Milanovich asked Zicarelli how many sacks the Argos allowed and Frank says, "Not many". Also, Curtis Rush asked whether Milanovich thought he had outcoached Chris Jones which didn't seem like a question that Milanovich liked. I would say that he did outcoach Jones though.

[gilthethrill]

Thanks to the acquisition of Brandon Whittaker, I can now wear my #3 jersey I had done up a week prior to Cory Boyds release. Not enough has been said about young Euclid Cummings or BIG Tracey Robertson on the D line. I fully expected a conservative passing game, but Harris did well on both deep and intermediate routes, finding many targets like Ray would. Jermaine Gabriel....wow! I also feel that Fort McMurray hurt its chances to become an expansion cutting the CFL....