Do the Argos owe the SkyDome era a send-off?

[Will]

When a team like Hamilton and Winnipeg left Ivor Wynne Stadium and Winnipeg Stadium respectively they each held ceremonies honoring alumni. While the move to a new stadium was warranted in each case at least those teams had some heritage to celebrate at those stadiums. It is true that on the on-field end of things the Argos have won 5 Grey Cups since they moved to SkyDome, however as we know their tenure in that stadium has been accompanied by the severe decline of the brand in Toronto, lousy treatment by their landlord and what can be, at best, described as a mediocre football experience. Paul Woods has pointed out that the Argos are doing a few video features on the jumbotron that may run throughout the season. I suspect that at the last game you may also have a few local alumni honored, but nothing major.

[gilthethrill]

I was wondering if the Skydome owed the Argonauts Football Club an apology. HaHa.

[Gill The Thrill]

The video tributes and some minor stuff within the usual game day experience is enough. The Argos did not exactly have a send off or a tribute when they left CNE (Exhibition) Stadium, and that felt much more like a an actual home to the Argos. They had been main tenants, even controlling scheduling of dates since they had been the major sports tenant since 1959. Although they had only one Grey Cup winning team during their tenure there, they did have teams that were the most popular in their history and set team attendance records there, both single game, regular season and playoff game, along with single season attendance records. They had a noticeable marquee which was seen from the Lakeshore by everyone driving into and out of the downtown core. That's more than you can say about the Skydome which started out as being built as a home for both the Argos and Jays, but was really built to showcase the Blue Jays throughout a North American audience in a state of the art, modern stadium with amenities and a retractable roof meant to limit the postponed games which used to plague the CNE, especially at the beginning of the baseball season. (Baseball games were cancelled because of rain, snow, wind, fog, even an invasion of gnats IIRC)

I remember watching the opening ceremony of the Skydome on TV and was floored when the Argos were just represented by one member, being Canadian Don Moen in a car who was given a small applause by the 50k in attendance when his name and organization was announced. What made this even more noticeable was that it was after the Jays were introduced in their motorcade? I don't remember exactly which players,(think Tom Henke was one) but remember more than one was announced with a thunderous applause that was the loudest of the night. This also sent the message that the Argos were just also-rans in the building of the dome, even though the idea was brought about by then Ontario Premiere Bill Davis, a huge Argo fan, who pushed for it after the 1982 Grey Cup game which saw a torrential downpour of rain for most of the 2nd half.

During the early days of the dome, it did seem as if the Argos shared the facility with the Jays. But with Harry Ornest selling the first rights of scheduling dates to the Blue Jays, it was only a facade. I'd figure with all the wall space around the dome, surely some permanent Argo fixture would be noticeable, but noticed none was ever placed. From the ticket office to the removeable flags on the Bremner Blvd side that believe it or not, had all 9 flags of all CFL teams. They were not permanent and would soon be removed altogether.

Perhaps what the Argos should do is have a halftime or post game ceremony where they could remove their few Grey Cup banners and banners featuring their legendary players. Nice, simple and modest, nothing grandiose, besides I'm sure the Rogers maintanence crew would be waiting with bated breath to clean out anything reminiscent of the Argos ever playing there.

PS- With that being said, I hope BMO will be made to look like an Argos home field without seeing signs of TFC all over the place in the same way you presently see Blue Jays signs all over the dome. I don't want to be seeing a little banner of Argo legends in small font, while seeing a huge permanent TFC wall of honour honouring Danny Dichio...let's get real, Danny Dichio was a fringe English striker who was the first one signed by the organization...decent enough chap when he talks soccer on Sportsnet, but is he really legendary?

[Will]

IIRC, some of the ticket offices had Argo logos on the facade/awning at one point. I may be completely wrong on that point.

[T-Bone]

IIRC, some of the ticket offices had Argo logos on the facade/awning at one point. I may be completely wrong on that point.
I believe they did at the one between Gates 6 and 7.


PS- With that being said, I hope BMO will be made to look like an Argos home field without seeing signs of TFC all over the place in the same way you presently see Blue Jays signs all over the dome. I don't want to be seeing a little banner of Argo legends in small font, while seeing a huge permanent TFC wall of honour honouring Danny Dichio...let's get real, Danny Dichio was a fringe English striker who was the first one signed by the organization...decent enough chap when he talks soccer on Sportsnet, but is he really legendary?
I'm sure the Argos will be allowed to put up banners etc. during Argos games at BMO Field but how much TFC stuff will be visible I don't know.

PS - Danny Dichio scored the first ever goal for TFC on May 12, 2007 which is why his name has been sung at 23:13 on the clock at every game since. Jim Brennan was the first player signed by the team.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhXLf2zkhGA

[Gill The Thrill]

Meant first import player which might still be incorrect, as I'm certain Brennan, having played on the Men's National team was a Canadian.


I believe they did at the one between Gates 6 and 7.


I'm sure the Argos will be allowed to put up banners etc. during Argos games at BMO Field but how much TFC stuff will be visible I don't know.



Ah, the south stands in the supporters section, or what I call the Tom Anselmi kop, since this meant to be the moveable stands thet were supposed to accomodate a Canadian Football field that he finagled into a permanent structure. I know the north stands are coming down for moveable stands, but I'm not sure if these stands are also coming down after the soccer season. Either way, I can't wait.

Fairly lively crowd for that TFC game, but not the most lively at a sports event at a stadium at CNE. That distinction imo comes from the 1983 Eastern Final which took place on November 20, 1983. This video is from one of the great moments at that game, not the winning TD but a good one which proves how great the event was.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njqGaW3sOeY

One of my greatest sports memories as a kid. Had to listen to this game on radio as it was blacked out in Southern Ontario. A policy that the league would regret when casual fans began treating the Argos with the adage..."out of sight equals out of mind."

[TheHammer]

Hey all... first time poster here. As my name indicates, I am from Hamilton and am a Ticat fan (but will be respectful here).

Want to chime in here. Seeing as how lousy the Argos have been treated at Rogers Centre, I don't think the Argos owe them a damn thing. With Canad Inns and Ivor Wynne, those two stadiums are synonymous with their teams and the CFL. The Rogers Centre is merely a place for the Argos to play. When I make the trip to RC, I don't get that vibe like 'I'm in the stadium where the Argos play'... in other words, no mystique. Maybe don't do an over the top ceremony, but maybe the last game do a pre-game thank you with a few alumni and maybe a 'top ten' video montage of great Argo moments at RC (I'm thinking 2012 would be Number 1). But don't go over the top in a tribute to a place that didn't really want them there in the first place.

On a related note, can't wait for your new home at BMO next year. Outdoor venues for football are always better. I recall old Argo games at Exhibition Stadium and how fun they were. Hoping the move to BMO helps the Argos for the future. The CFL desperately needs the Argos to be a success in Hogtown.

Cheers

[AngeloV]

Hey all... first time poster here. As my name indicates, I am from Hamilton and am a Ticat fan (but will be respectful here).

Want to chime in here. Seeing as how lousy the Argos have been treated at Rogers Centre, I don't think the Argos owe them a damn thing. With Canad Inns and Ivor Wynne, those two stadiums are synonymous with their teams and the CFL. The Rogers Centre is merely a place for the Argos to play. When I make the trip to RC, I don't get that vibe like 'I'm in the stadium where the Argos play'... in other words, no mystique. Maybe don't do an over the top ceremony, but maybe the last game do a pre-game thank you with a few alumni and maybe a 'top ten' video montage of great Argo moments at RC (I'm thinking 2012 would be Number 1). But don't go over the top in a tribute to a place that didn't really want them there in the first place.

On a related note, can't wait for your new home at BMO next year. Outdoor venues for football are always better. I recall old Argo games at Exhibition Stadium and how fun they were. Hoping the move to BMO helps the Argos for the future. The CFL desperately needs the Argos to be a success in Hogtown.

Cheers

Welcome to the site TheHammer. Nice first post...and I apologize in advance if I have ever yelled at you. LOL!!

[paulwoods13]

Meant first import player which might still be incorrect, as I'm certain Brennan, having played on the Men's National team was a Canadian.




Ah, the south stands in the supporters section, or what I call the Tom Anselmi kop, since this meant to be the moveable stands thet were supposed to accomodate a Canadian Football field that he finagled into a permanent structure. I know the north stands are coming down for moveable stands, but I'm not sure if these stands are also coming down after the soccer season. Either way, I can't wait.

Fairly lively crowd for that TFC game, but not the most lively at a sports event at a stadium at CNE. That distinction imo comes from the 1983 Eastern Final which took place on November 20, 1983. This video is from one of the great moments at that game, not the winning TD but a good one which proves how great the event was.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njqGaW3sOeY

One of my greatest sports memories as a kid. Had to listen to this game on radio as it was blacked out in Southern Ontario. A policy that the league would regret when casual fans began treating the Argos with the adage..."out of sight equals out of mind."

The crowd shots, the Argo car. Doesn't get much better than that.

It's not the Rogers centre that is owed anything. It's the fans. I know we all can't wait to get out of that toilet bowl but we were there for 26 years -- almost as long as we were in the Ex -- and we had some great memories in the place. If the team had money and the capability of formulating a plan it would celebrate those 26 years.

[shayman]

I remember watching the opening ceremony of the Skydome on TV and was floored when the Argos were just represented by one member, being Canadian Don Moen

Well, there was this -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e3f4sWNFh4#t=6m13s

[gilthethrill]

The crowd shots, the Argo car. Doesn't get much better than that.

My first ever CFL game. Just such great memories as a teen. Wish Toronto would embrace the Argos like that once again.

[ArgoRavi]

I can watch that '83 East Final again and again. As for the SkyDome, there have been some great moments but, unfortunately, that stadium has rarely felt like a real home to the Argos.

[Gill The Thrill]

Well, there was this -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e3f4sWNFh4#t=6m13s:DWow, did that really happen. Can't remember that part of it...that reminds me of the 1985 Grey Cup halftime show, had that plastic 80's feel. Thank God for Andrea Martin who made this watchable. One of the funniest lady's ever.


I can watch that '83 East Final again and again. As for the SkyDome, there have been some great moments but, unfortunately, that stadium has rarely felt like a real home to the Argos.
So can I, almost did looking for the best clip that would show an Argos TD with great fan shots. The game winning Cedric Minter TD was on Part 17 but I chose this clip because the TD was closer to the beginning of the clip. All the clips of this game posted by Paul had tremendous fan noise which was constant throughout the game. It looked like a shoehorn was needed to squeeze in all the fans in those shots. 54,530 were at the game, 2nd most ever at the CNE, only to the 1982 Grey Cup Game the year before which had 54,741. These two events were the most to attend a Toronto team sporting event in Toronto. For as much as some in the media choose to dismiss this team, this is fact.

[Will]

So can I, almost did looking for the best clip that would show an Argos TD with great fan shots. The game winning Cedric Minter TD was on Part 17 but I chose this clip because the TD was closer to the beginning of the clip. All the clips of this game posted by Paul had tremendous fan noise which was constant throughout the game. It looked like a shoehorn was needed to squeeze in all the fans in those shots. 54,530 were at the game, 2nd most ever at the CNE, only to the 1982 Grey Cup Game the year before which had 54,741. These two events were the most to attend a Toronto team sporting event in Toronto. For as much as some in the media choose to dismiss this team, this is fact.

I believe that Condredge Holloway and Emanuel Tolbert connected for a 66 and 80 yard touchdowns in the 50-16 win at Ivor Wynne that saw Tolbert run a similar, if not, identical route to the one that he ran in the clip you posted. For all the deserved accolades that Terry Greer received in 1983 one cannot forget that Tolbert was a valuable piece of that team with 1200 receiving yards and 11 touchdowns.

It would have been a fun game to be at that is for sure.

[Qman]

At half-time of the last game we should put a pile of rogers cell phones/old pvr boxes in the middle of the field and blow it up.

[T-Bone]

Meant first import player which might still be incorrect, as I'm certain Brennan, having played on the Men's National team was a Canadian.
That is incorrect and Brennan is Canadian.


Fairly lively crowd for that TFC game, but not the most lively at a sports event at a stadium at CNE.
I didn't post that clip to make any comparisons to the Argos. I posted it because you asked:


I don't want to be seeing a little banner of Argo legends in small font, while seeing a huge permanent TFC wall of honour honouring Danny Dichio...let's get real, Danny Dichio was a fringe English striker who was the first one signed by the organization...decent enough chap when he talks soccer on Sportsnet, but is he really legendary?
You are correct that Dichio was not a superstar player during his career and he did join TFC at the end of it. Dichio is a pretty humble guy who has said it could have been anyone that scored that first goal but he got lucky and it was him. He was our top goal scorer in 2 of the 3 seasons he played for us before he retired. Also he is still working for the TFC Academy, so that is why he is a legend among TFC fans.

Back on topic:


Maybe don't do an over the top ceremony, but maybe the last game do a pre-game thank you with a few alumni and maybe a 'top ten' video montage of great Argo moments at RC (I'm thinking 2012 would be Number 1). But don't go over the top in a tribute to a place that didn't really want them there in the first place.
Welcome aboard and I agree with you here. Keep it simple with the focus being on the teams history there vs. saying goodbye to the stadium. Another difference with Rogers Centre vs. the closing of Ivor Wynne and Canad Inns is that it isn't going anywhere. The other two were permanently closing and being replaced, in this case we are leaving and not really by choice. Also we may not finish our season at Rogers Centre, though I'm not convinced that is going to happen yet but it is a possibility.


It's not the Rogers centre that is owed anything. It's the fans.
Agreed.

[DanTheFan]

When I picture a true send-off to an arena, I picture the farewell ceremonies to Maple Leaf Gardens and the Montreal Forum. So much history in those buildings led to such heart-warming tributes. Sadly, this venue never really felt like home to the Argos despite having some successful teams throughout the years. I think a big farewell would seem forced. I don't think it should amount to little more than a PA announcement and a couple of alumni on hand. Make their debut at BMO the true celebration.

[Will]

When I picture a true send-off to an arena, I picture the farewell ceremonies to Maple Leaf Gardens and the Montreal Forum. So much history in those buildings led to such heart-warming tributes. Sadly, this venue never really felt like home to the Argos despite having some successful teams throughout the years. I think a big farewell would seem forced. I don't think it should amount to little more than a PA announcement and a couple of alumni on hand. Make their debut at BMO the true celebration.

Great point!

As BMO marks a return to the Exhibition grounds there is no reason why alumni from that era such as Holloway, Greer, Theismann, Symons, etc shouldn't be there. Of course, Pinball should have something big to do with it as well.

[TheHammer]

Question:

After the move to BMO, would Rogers Centre still be used for playoff games and Grey Cups? I know they had that arrangement in Montreal for years (can't recall if they still do).

[T-Bone]

Question:

After the move to BMO, would Rogers Centre still be used for playoff games and Grey Cups? I know they had that arrangement in Montreal for years (can't recall if they still do).
Rumour has it the 2016 Grey Cup will be at BMO Field.

[Gill The Thrill]

Rumour has it the 2016 Grey Cup will be at BMO Field.

Is it not already confirmed for Tim Horton's Field in Hamilton. I thought this was a promise made to Bob Young and the city once old Ivor Wynne was torn down and rebuilt as Tim Hortons Field. Would that not make more sense since it is completed. Perhaps even for 2017 if not 2016. Remember TD Place in Ottawa is also slated to host a Grey Cup game. These are 2 completely new or renovated stadiums that are prepared to go where as BMO construction has not even started yet, as far as making those moveable stands. In the construction industry, you never know what delays could occur?

My bet is Ottawa or Hamilton for next year, if it has not already been announced.

With expectations of Eastern teams moving to or refurbishing stadiums with less capacity, does this mean that will never see a Grey Cup with 50,000 fans in the east unless it's in the big O in Montreal. Maybe not even 40k. I really think that once the Argos finish playing their last game at Skydome, there will never be another Canadian Football game at any level played there. I think rogers will be gutting the entire 100 level removing the track that rotated the seats and making a permanent baseball venue with club seats in the 100 level as well as install grass, so you can probably forget about any Grey Cups or Vanier Cups ever being played there again.

[Will]

Ottawa is likely going to host the 2017 Grey Cup because it is the 150th anniversary of confederation.

[AngeloV]

Is it not already confirmed for Tim Horton's Field in Hamilton. I thought this was a promise made to Bob Young and the city once old Ivor Wynne was torn down and rebuilt as Tim Hortons Field. Would that not make more sense since it is completed. Perhaps even for 2017 if not 2016. Remember TD Place in Ottawa is also slated to host a Grey Cup game. These are 2 completely new or renovated stadiums that are prepared to go where as BMO construction has not even started yet, as far as making those moveable stands. In the construction industry, you never know what delays could occur?

My bet is Ottawa or Hamilton for next year, if it has not already been announced.

With expectations of Eastern teams moving to or refurbishing stadiums with less capacity, does this mean that will never see a Grey Cup with 50,000 fans in the east unless it's in the big O in Montreal. Maybe not even 40k. I really think that once the Argos finish playing their last game at Skydome, there will never be another Canadian Football game at any level played there. I think rogers will be gutting the entire 100 level removing the track that rotated the seats and making a permanent baseball venue with club seats in the 100 level as well as install grass, so you can probably forget about any Grey Cups or Vanier Cups ever being played there again.

I think Toronto getting 2016 was a deal closer when the sale to Bell and Tanenbaum happened.

[T-Bone]

Is it not already confirmed for Tim Horton's Field in Hamilton.
There has been no official announcement as of yet.


With expectations of Eastern teams moving to or refurbishing stadiums with less capacity, does this mean that will never see a Grey Cup with 50,000 fans in the east unless it's in the big O in Montreal. Maybe not even 40k.
BMO Field is supposed to be expandable to 40k with temporary seating.

[Solar Max]

There has been no official announcement as of yet.


BMO Field is supposed to be expandable to 40k with temporary seating.

Similar in Ottawa and Hamilton, one would think, T?

[T-Bone]

Similar in Ottawa and Hamilton, one would think, T?
Both Ottawa and Hamilton have space in the end zones that I believe can be used for temporary seating as well.

[Invader]

It was reported Mr. Braley was awarded one more Grey Cup as part of his Argo purchase agreement. Everyone expected that to be 2016 in Toronto. Leiweke was touting the Grey Cup along with the Winter Classic at BMO. It would make sense to share the cost as a 12,500-seat temporary grandstand (matching the total number of seats on either sideline) would cost upwards of $1 million to rent and construct. That would bring the total BMO capacity up to about 38,000.

One problem is an endzone grandstand for the CFL is hardly ideal for a hockey rink venue. There's also been very little buzz about Toronto's supposed Winter Classic? That could be a stumbling block. 2016 might also be too early for BMO to be expanded. The construction of the endzone and roof for the Argos would just be completed and all the kinks might not be worked out. Then the new endzone would have to be ripped out (or perhaps folded away like a Chinese fan) to accommodate the massive endzone grandstand?

It actually makes more sense to hold the Toronto Grey Cup at 54,000-seat RC...hopefully it won't be gutted by then?

The 2016 Grey Cup could also be played in Vancouver or Hamilton if Toronto's venues aren't available.

[ArgoRavi]

It was reported Mr. Braley was awarded one more Grey Cup as part of his Argo purchase agreement. Everyone expected that to be 2016 in Toronto. Leiweke was touting the Grey Cup along with the Winter Classic at BMO. It would make sense to share the cost as a 12,500-seat temporary grandstand (matching the total number of seats on either sideline) would cost upwards of $1 million to rent and construct. That would bring the total BMO capacity up to about 38,000.

One problem is an endzone grandstand for the CFL is hardly ideal for a hockey rink venue. There's also been very little buzz about Toronto's supposed Winter Classic? That could be a stumbling block. 2016 might also be too early for BMO to be expanded. The construction of the endzone and roof for the Argos would just be completed and all the kinks might not be worked out. Then the new endzone would have to be ripped out (or perhaps folded away like a Chinese fan) to accommodate the massive endzone grandstand?

It actually makes more sense to hold the Toronto Grey Cup at 54,000-seat RC...hopefully it won't be gutted by then?

The 2016 Grey Cup could also be played in Vancouver or Hamilton if Toronto's venues aren't available.

The last place that should get another Grey Cup so quickly is Vancouver. Interest was lukewarm towards the 2014 Grey Cup after they had just hosted in 2011. Time to move away from Vancouver for a little while at least.

[QBall]

Well, there was this -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e3f4sWNFh4#t=6m13s

What has been seen cannot be unseen. :sick:

[1argoholic]

I say we bring out every player who won a Grey Cup with the Argonauts while at the dome and do it up real big. A big F U to Rogers!

[Will]

http://argonauts.ca/article/nostalgic-tribute-celebrating-26-years-of-argos-football-at-rogers-centre

The Argos released this article about their time at Skydome.