August 28, 2015: Toronto Argonauts vs. Edmonton

[T-Bone]

http://cfl.assets.mrx.ca/shared/sked_blocks_logos/2012_2/2012_schedule_default2/tor.png vs. http://cfl.assets.mrx.ca/shared/sked_blocks_logos/2012_2/2012_schedule_default2/edm.png

Week 10
Friday, August 28, 2015 at 9:00pm EDT.
Commonwealth Stadium. Edmonton, AB.

TV: TSN1/3/4/5 (http://www.tsn.ca/cfl-on-tsn-broadcast-schedule-1.206931) - ESPN2 (http://www.cfl.ca/article/espn-to-televise-20-cfl-games-in-2015)
Video Webcast: TSN Go (http://www.tsn.ca/tv#/) - WatchESPN (http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index/_/type/upcoming/sport/football/search/CFL/)
Radio: TOR: TSN 1050 (http://www.tsn.ca/radio/toronto-1050) - EDM: CHED 630 (http://www.630ched.com/eskimos/)
Audio Webcast: TOR: Here (http://www.tsn.ca/radio/tsn-1050-live-stream-1.52945?ot=example.AjaxPageLayout.ot) - EDM: Here (http://player.630ched.com/)
Satellite Radio: SiriusXM (http://www.siriusxm.ca/sports/cfl/)

Depth Charts: TOR: Here (http://www.argonauts.ca/depthchart/list/team/7/year/2015) - EDM: Here (http://www.esks.com/page/depth-charts)

Game Preview: Here (http://argonauts.ca/video/index/id/115213)

Post-Game Update:

Game Highlights (http://www.cfl.ca/video/index/id/115337)

Game Recap (http://argonauts.ca/article/week-10-game-recap)

Final Score: 15-38 (http://www.tsn.ca/cfl/game/toronto-argonauts-edmonton-eskimos-20150828/Stats)

[TheHammer]

IMO, the game of the week. Edmonton will be motivated after being trounced on their home turf. Toronto is unpredictable. Looks great at times, not great at other times, but they find a way to win. Should be interesting.

[Argocister]

Yes the Argos will have to work hard on this one.
Hopefully the secret to beating the esks Defense was revealed last week. And hopefully we can use those secrets.
Jones will be working hard to win this game ...... Can't let Scott win two on him this season.
I'm routing for the Argos of course ..... But this will only be a 50% confidence rate ...... Okay I will probably say 100 but probably feeling 50
Work hard guys!

[Will]

Chris Jones will not want a repeat of the season opener in Ft. McMurray that is for certain. I won't even say I like the matchup against Matt Nichols because that doesn't seem to matter this year as the Argos always seem to be in a close game.

[TheHammer]

Chris Jones will not want a repeat of the season opener in Ft. McMurray that is for certain. I won't even say I like the matchup against Matt Nichols because that doesn't seem to matter this year as the Argos always seem to be in a close game.

This is so true, and will be a huge boon to the Argos. Truthfully, it's the one thing that worries be about the Ticats. They have either blown out an opponent, or lost close games. They have not won any close games, and I'm a little afraid that as the season progresses and the playoffs arrive, games won't be so easy as they are now, and they won't have that experience behind them. While it's so much easier on the ol' blood pressure to watch them blow out a team, I would like to see them squeak out a close win here and there.

As I wrote this, I realize it may come across as cocky, cheeky or backhanded. That is not the intention of this post.

[Will]

It isn't cocky at all, but on the flip-side I'd love to see an Argo game where my own blood pressure doesn't have to skyrocket.

[ArgoRavi]

Chris Jones will not want a repeat of the season opener in Ft. McMurray that is for certain. I won't even say I like the matchup against Matt Nichols because that doesn't seem to matter this year as the Argos always seem to be in a close game.

I expect that we will see James Franklin as Edmonton's starting QB this week. I don't think that Chris Jones has much confidence in Matt Nichols and I think that Nichols knows this.

[Will]

I expect that we will see James Franklin as Edmonton's starting QB this week. I don't think that Chris Jones has much confidence in Matt Nichols and I think that Nichols knows this.

Franklin suffered a lung contusion in the loss against Hamilton.

But,

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">James Franklin has just run onto the field at Commonwealth for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Esks?src=hash">#Esks</a> practice.</p>&mdash; Morley Scott (@Morley_Scott) <a href="https://twitter.com/Morley_Scott/status/635870911338418176">August 24, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[hugoagogo]

Chris Jones has announced James Franklin as his starter for Friday.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Eskimos?src=hash">#Eskimos</a> HC Chris Jones announces James Franklin as his starting QB on Friday vs. Argonauts. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a></p>&mdash; Dave Campbell (@Dave_CHED) <a href="https://twitter.com/Dave_CHED/status/635903200285949952">August 24, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[R.J]

and because of that I have just switched my pick em picks.

[Wobbler]

I think Franklin can expect to see quite a few blitzes.

Presumably Owens will be back this week. It would be nice to keep Spencer on the roster, but can we afford to dress a spare import receiver? We need to replace Isaac, and if Agnew moves into that position we'll be a bit thin on the back end. I guess sitting Stala or Adjei and dressing Herbert would fix that.

[paulwoods13]

As I've said before, don't think there is any way we can dress five INT receivers and two INT RBs unless we replace an existing INT starter with a NAT. In theory Miles or Yuri could replace Isaac but since that position is more of a pass coverage role that's unlikely. So I don't see Spencer continuing to dress if the Big Three and Owens are all in the lineup.

[AngeloV]

As I've said before, don't think there is any way we can dress five INT receivers and two INT RBs unless we replace an existing INT starter with a NAT. In theory Miles or Yuri could replace Isaac but since that position is more of a pass coverage role that's unlikely. So I don't see Spencer continuing to dress if the Big Three and Owens are all in the lineup.

Disagree. They don't need to replace a starter to keep Spencer in the line-up. He would be a rotation guy on offence, and return kicks. They can take Agnew out of the line-up and replace him with Herbert, allowing Black to play as the nickel instead of Agnew.

I also believe the reason the Argos may have been playing so many Nationals on D yesterday may have also been in order to see if they can possibly add an extra International at receiver.

[Wobbler]

They can take Agnew out of the line-up and replace him with Herbert, allowing Black to play as the nickel instead of Agnew.
So who plays SAM in your scenario?


I also believe the reason the Argos may have been playing so many Nationals on D yesterday may have also been in order to see if they can possibly add an extra International at receiver.
Ooh, I like that theory. No disrespect to Miles, but I couldn't understand why we suddenly needed to give him a ton of playing time and sit Jones the tackling machine.

[AngeloV]

So who plays SAM in your scenario?




Issac is the starting SAM. If he goes down, since SAM is basically a cover/blitz spot, I think Black can handle it short term. Another scenario would be to have Black move into field half. I personally have not been too thrilled with the coverage we've been getting from the half.

[Wobbler]

Ah. I'm assuming that he is injured and will miss a game. I guess we'll find out.

[argolio]

This game worries me. Short week, long travel, against a good team coming off an embarrassing home loss. Though it's not like the Argos haven't pleasantly surprised us before.

At the very least I hope we come out of this game without any serious injuries heading into the Hamilton games.

[Argocister]

Franklin may cause the Argos some problems if they can't contain him. Work on that boys!

[Will]

I was at practice/walk through today and saw the following:

Brandon Isaac is on crutches, saw him from a distance, it seems he can put some weight on his leg, but I don't think he's playing on Friday.

Miles and Greenwood were lining up at LB w/ Jones on the "scout team" or whatever the correct term is. Couldn't even pick out if there was a 3rd LB lining up with them.

Starting 5-pack at receiver seems to be the same.

[AngeloV]

I was at practice/walk through today and saw the following:

Brandon Isaac is on crutches, saw him from a distance, it seems he can put some weight on his leg, but I don't think he's playing on Friday.

Miles and Greenwood were lining up at LB w/ Jones on the "scout team" or whatever the correct term is. Couldn't even pick out if there was a 3rd LB lining up with them.

Starting 5-pack at receiver seems to be the same.

Thanks for the update. In that case, I'm guessing that Agnew starts for Issaac. Surprised that Jones isn't getting first reps. He's either hurt, or they are looking at roster flexibility to keep Spencer in the line-up when Owens is back.

[Will]

Does Rolle fit in better on the other side where Greenwood plays?

FWIW, coach said that Owens probably wouldn't be back this week so, for now, looking at ways to keep Spencer in the lineup is a moot point.

[Ron]

Key to the game is covering Walker.

[Wobbler]

In addition to Isaac and Gillanders, who were expected, Jason Vega has been added to the IR and Branden Whitaker is now "Disabled". I forget what that actually means.

New guys Bonner and Zaleski have been activated, along with Josey and B Smith.

It looks like Walker will get some reps this week, since he's the only backup DE we can dress.

[ArgoRavi]

In addition to Isaac and Gillanders, who were expected, Jason Vega has been added to the IR and Branden Whitaker is now "Disabled". I forget what that actually means.

I believe that it means that the player sustained a non-football-related injury that is forcing him to miss time.

[argotom]

Key is to get a quick start this week, we can't depend on a late comeback against a good Defense.

[Will]

An opportunity for the Argos tomorrow as the Tiger-Cats lost.

[gilthethrill]

I believe that it means that the player sustained a non-football-related injury that is forcing him to miss time.

Well, the backfield tandem of Kackert and Whittaker lasted one whole game....I guess Josey gets back on the roster. Hope a week on the PR did him some good.

[Will]

What is the nature of Vega's injury? I liked the rotation with him rotating in.

[Stevoman]

With the Hamilton loss tonight, the Argos have a chance to get ahead in the standings, a great opportunity with 2 head to heads coming. Going to be a tough one and will be determined by our defensive front 4 causing pressure and confusion for Franklin.

[Wobbler]

Depth chart (http://cfl.uploads.mrx.ca/league/pdf/en/depth/2015/ArgosDepth_at_EDM_Aug28080858.pdf)

For whatever reason, King is listed as the starter at LT. Zaleski is listed in Gillanders' spot; if he dresses and plays, we'll know that he probably *was* acquired as a position player rather than as a LS.

[gilthethrill]

I believe that it means that the player sustained a non-football-related injury that is forcing him to miss time.

Perhaps, but would it be too much to ask as a fan to know how your star players are injured? Same with Vega...an established player who just quietly goes on the IR. Any other team in Toronto has a player sustain even a minor injury, the fans will hear about it. I think the Argos lack a good communications department and have for years. Things like this does not help the Argos reputation.

[Argo]

Perhaps, but would it be too much to ask as a fan to know how your star players are injured? Same with Vega...an established player who just quietly goes on the IR. Any other team in Toronto has a player sustain even a minor injury, the fans will hear about it. I think the Argos lack a good communications department and have for years. Things like this does not help the Argos reputation.

It seems that the one or two reporters that cover the Argos actually has/have to ask the particular injury-related questions when talking with Milanovich, otherwise the information isn't divulged.

[Will]

It seems that the one or two reporters that cover the Argos actually has/have to ask the particular injury-related questions when talking with Milanovich, otherwise the information isn't divulged.

I wouldn't say that the Argos are the only professional sports team that prefers to be discrete about injuries. Oftentimes in hockey you get the proverbial "upper" or "lower body injury" explanation.

When I was at walk through on Tuesday, I personally didn't notice anything amiss with Vega.

[doubleblue]

In addition to Isaac and Gillanders, who were expected, Jason Vega has been added to the IR and Branden Whitaker is now "Disabled". I forget what that actually means.

New guys Bonner and Zaleski have been activated, along with Josey and B Smith.

It looks like Walker will get some reps this week, since he's the only backup DE we can dress.

Looking forward to seeing Cam Walker finally get in a game for some spot duty and experience. I think he is going to be a good pass rusher when he develops and fills out a bit.
Also thought Steele would be ready by now instead of Josey. He is needed on Special Teams. I never saw anything that indicated Steele had a serious injury.

Milanovich sounds hopeful that Bonner may turn out to be a good one down the road at OLB or DB. Wonder where Matt Ware is these days.

Vega has not really set the world on fire as a RE this year. IMO Gillanders will be missed on STs.

[mchesher03]

my depth chart comments for what they are worth:

- looks like Whittaker is still out, I know everyone loves Kackert (myself included) but I hope that isn't serious - Whittaker has been great for us and was a beast in our "home" win vs Edmonton to open the year
- the combo of Greenwood and Gabriel being back has really solidified our tackling IMO. Two great tacklers given we definitely had some issues in that area (especially in their absence)
- curious to see what performance our D-Line puts in this week. Feel they have been coming on strong as of late after a slow start. Hopefully Cummings plays like last week
- similar to whittaker - hopefully Chad Owens isn't seriously hurt. Love watching Spencer play though - what speed!
- would rather see Spencer returning kicks and punts then Jefferson but guessing by the way Milo is, he feels Jefferson has surer hands.
- I've been casually following the Jarriel King - Bruce Campbell battle for the starting LT job all year (King was hurt at the onset I think) - seems to have been back and forth when both have been healthy although typically King gets the nod.
- really really looking forward to what our 3 rookie receivers can produce tomorrow. As much as I'm enjoying this year and what Trevor has done, imagine Ricky throwing to these guys - yikes! guess it may be wishful thinking this season though...

[gilthethrill]

Like in week 1, expect the Argos front 7 to feast on a below average Eskimo O-line and disrupt this kid Franklin. However, I expect him to rollout and connect on long passes seemingly at will like has been happening all season to our secondary. But in the end, it just won't be enough to defeat the 1st place Argos.

[Wobbler]

I guess we found out he was sick after we had already submitted our injury list and therefore needed to "disable" him to make room for Josey..?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Breaking news <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash">#Argos</a> RB Brandon Whitaker fell ill &amp; is out for tonight&#39;s game in Edmonton. Henry Josey has made the trip &amp; will play. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a></p>&mdash; Mike Hogan (@tsnmikehogan) <a href="https://twitter.com/tsnmikehogan/status/637403995737190400">August 28, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Wobbler]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash">#Argos</a> scratches : B. Campbell, S. Mitchell. Also H. Josey in for B. Whitaker. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a> <a href="http://t.co/HB9JHFy7nY">pic.twitter.com/HB9JHFy7nY</a></p>&mdash; Mike Hogan (@tsnmikehogan) <a href="https://twitter.com/tsnmikehogan/status/637422668434661376">August 29, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Will]

The Eskimos may be playing mind games:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hearing there&#39;s a chance that Matt Nichols may start at QB for Edmonton after all. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a></p>&mdash; Mike Hogan (@tsnmikehogan) <a href="https://twitter.com/tsnmikehogan/status/637422927693025280">August 29, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/ravira">@ravira</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/willge87">@willge87</a> Who knows? Jordan Lynch was just taking snaps with the first offence. Mind games. LOL</p>&mdash; Mike Hogan (@tsnmikehogan) <a href="https://twitter.com/tsnmikehogan/status/637424328368230400">August 29, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[Will]

Not an encouraging start. The Argos tendency of allowing 2nd down conversions continues.

[dmont]

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Blame Agnew on that touchdown. Horrible attempt at a tackle.

Why oh why can't this defense show up for the start of a game?

[argotom]

Way to easy on the Esks TD drive, we are going to have to put a lot more pressure on the kid otherwise it will be a long night.

[gilthethrill]

Well...here we go again.....

[dmont]

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Agnew again! What is wrong with that guy?

[Will]

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Agnew again! What is wrong with that guy?

The Argos sent Jefferson on a blitz leaving Agnew to cover Walker. Not a good idea.

[argotom]

Was that a replay of the first drive, again little or no pressure on the QB.
The Esks got jobbed should have been a TD.

[argotom]

It's almost like a game of flag football when we are on D.

[Wobbler]

Somebody flipped a switch - Harris looks much more confident.

[Will]

Inexplicably bad kick by Swayze Waters.

[dmont]

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I see our left tackle is playing with his eyes closed. Great job, King.

[gilthethrill]

Can't run the ball and can't protect the QB....team looks really flat.....short week did not help.

[Will]

The Argos are back in the game as Adrian McPherson scores a TD.

[Wobbler]

Go for two!

[Antwon]

Nice catch Spencer!

[Will]

Franklin started to look more human towards the end of the half, and the Argos have a bit of momentum heading into the 3rd.

[argotom]

We are lucky to be down 3 in that ugly first half.

[dmont]

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Good on the offense.

I am astounded that it's only a 3 point game. Very fortunate. Let's hope the Argos do what they do in the second half.

[Will]

Time of Possession favors the Eskimos 19:31-10:29 and Shakir Bell hasn't even got anything going really. This has to change in the second half.

[Will]

Agnew is not having a great game.

[Wobbler]

Was the August 14th Chad Kackert a one-time-only phenomenon? He hasn't been the same since.

[Will]

Was the August 14th Chad Kackert a one-time-only phenomenon? He hasn't been the same since.

The Argos in general have not been able to get any sort of running game going in the past two weeks.

[Wobbler]

The Argos in general have not been able to get any sort of running game going in the past two weeks.
I'm not talking about the running game. Kackert showed amazing acceleration in his limited reps vs. Winnipeg but has looked very ordinary since.

[Wobbler]

Credit where it's due: that was a nice downhill run.

[Will]

Crucial call coming up.

The Argos get a TD to pull within 2. Time for the defense to back up the offense.

[Wobbler]

Wow. That looked like a debacle in the making, but McPherson and Hazelton pulled it out.

Also: WE SHOULD HAVE GONE FOR TWO.

[argos1873]

Wow, I didn't see that TD happening the way it did. Nice job on that play.

[Will]

Agnew again

[Wobbler]

Yeah, we might need to cut Agnew.

[Will]

Not an opportune time for that.

[argotom]

That return may be on Waters as he neither had the distance or the hang time.

[Antwon]

We need to practice tackling this week!

[Will]

Aside from the Spencer catch in the first half have the Argos attempted a deep throw?

[argotom]

Aside from the Spencer catch in the first half have the Argos attempted a deep throw?

No, Harris has not had the time way too much pressure with the pocket collapsing.

[Will]

I don't think they went downfield too much last week either.

[Antwon]

Aside from the Spencer catch in the first half have the Argos attempted a deep throw?

Not much!

[Will]

The Argos were in this game until Diontae Spencer trips on his feet at the 20-yard line. The defense, though, has not been good tonight with brutal tackling and losing containment on Franklin. Also, our blocking schemes on PR and KR seem extremely ineffective tonight.

[Antwon]

The defense has looked pretty sloppy all game.

[Will]

The defense has looked pretty sloppy all game.

The Cleyon Laing penalty is also inexcusable.

[Will]

But, Edmonton's defense has also been pretty good. They've put pressure on Harris all game long and have seemingly taken away any deep routes.

[Antwon]

Elliot gives up on a play.....should be cut! No excuse.

[Will]

Unacceptable Elliott, unacceptable!

[larz-7]

this team was very tired

[argotom]

First Hazleton does not run fill out on the deep pass, then Elliott has a brain cramp what was he thinking?

[argos1873]

Well that went from Chile to Antarctica very quickly.

[argotom]

No tackling tonight just horrible D.

[Will]

Ironically, the 4th quarter collapse does not fall entirely on the defense. The Argos won in the 4th against Ottawa with special teams and in this game that is what started their downfall with the Lawrence TD and then another solid return by Lawrence. Our own returns cannot generate much of anything. It is telling that Spencer trips at the 20 and then on the next punt Lawrence returns the punt that seals the deal.

[paulwoods13]

This was a classic trap game -- short week, long travel, opponent riled up after getting humiliated. But we still turned in a very disappointing effort all around.

Agnew is, remarkably, an even worse tackler than Isaac -- and we have a lot of other defenders who don't know how to wrap guys up. Our kickoff returns were atrocious -- never started even as far as the 30. We gave up a PR TD. Elliott gave up on a play that would have been a TD. Our run blocking was non-existent.

We absolutely must sweep Hamilton in the next two weeks to have any hope of finishing first. Lose one of them and we lose the season series. And we're likely not having all of our remaining home games at home, so we need to pile up points now.

[gilthethrill]

Two things that have problematic for some time....just unable to gain yard on the ground in short yardage situations....also the D just can't stop teams on second and long....Elliott should be shown the bench for that effort.

[Stevoman]

Failing to stop them on second and long (almost every time) and poor tackling are the main areas to blame. No excuses even though this is their 7th road game of the season. I think this loss can help them get re-focused and help prepare them for labour day and not just rely on 4th quarter comebacks.

[ArgoFan1]

Tackling was extremely horrible tonight !! Looked like some of those guys just didn't want any kind of contact. What a terrible game by the Argos all around though. A lot of work needs to be done to get this team ready for Labour Day !! Next two games could decide the fate of this season.

[Will]

Failing to stop them on second and long (almost every time) and poor tackling are the main areas to blame. No excuses even though this is their 7th road game of the season. I think this loss can help them get re-focused and help prepare them for labour day and not just rely on 4th quarter comebacks.

The 2nd and long conversions really hurt, and a couple of them were on dump/screen plays as well. Of course, that is the product of poor tackling.

How the Argos respond to this game on Labor Day is very key. Critics have been (rightly) pointing out that they have won their games by close margins so I hope that this gives them a kick in the pants.


This was a classic trap game -- short week, long travel, opponent riled up after getting humiliated. But we still turned in a very disappointing effort all around.

Agnew is, remarkably, an even worse tackler than Isaac -- and we have a lot of other defenders who don't know how to wrap guys up. Our kickoff returns were atrocious -- never started even as far as the 30. We gave up a PR TD. Elliott gave up on a play that would have been a TD. Our run blocking was non-existent.

We absolutely must sweep Hamilton in the next two weeks to have any hope of finishing first. Lose one of them and we lose the season series. And we're likely not having all of our remaining home games at home, so we need to pile up points now.

Two crucial games for both teams coming up.

[Bleeds Double Blue]

Argos just looked like a team running on fumes. Some time off and games in their own time zone should help.

[larz-7]

were is Tim Burke these days?I think we have alot of talent on this team ,but something is missing

[Will]

were is Tim Burke these days?I think we have alot of talent on this team ,but something is missing

Tim Burke resigned from the team a couple of weeks before training camp for reasons that remain unknown. The Argos had no choice but to promote Casey Creehan to defensive coordinator.

[1argoholic]

Tackling has SUCKED ALL YEAR not just tonight. We have won with smoke and mirrors this year and tonight there was no smoke and the mirrors broke. I can't believe that the team and we as fans have to keep putting up with BULLSHIT schedules. Will things change next year or we be playing second fiddle to TFC?

We might be 6-3 but we could be 6-5 soon.

This game was a farce.

[argolio]

Can't say I'm too surprised what with the idiotic scheduling for this game. We gave up way too many second and long conversions, and tackled extremely poorly, yet we were still in the game longer than we probably deserved to be considering how flat we looked.

Put this one in a landfill and move on.

[argos1873]

Tackling has SUCKED ALL YEAR not just tonight. We have won with smoke and mirrors this year and tonight there was no smoke and the mirrors broke. I can't believe that the team and we as fans have to keep putting up with BULLSHIT schedules. Will things change next year or we be playing second fiddle to TFC?

We might be 6-3 but we could be 6-5 soon.

This game was a farce.

We will be 6-5 soon, but it won't be due to the schedule. The cats are going to beat us, but that's ok. This year is just a gimmie year. Don't put any thought into it. There's some glimmers of hope in Harris and the big 3 etc., but don't expect anything big out of this team. What they've given us so far is way more than enough expected from a shell of a pro football team. Barker and Milanovich have done the best they can, and they've proven they can do alot with little. Just hold on till next year. That being said, its not like this team hasn't won when they shouldn't have, and that may happen again when it matters. I'm not counting on it though. Its a gimmie year as far as I'm concerned.

[Stevoman]

We will be 6-5 soon, but it won't be due to the schedule. The cats are going to beat us, but that's ok. This year is just a gimmie year. Don't put any thought into it. There's some glimmers of hope in Harris and the big 3 etc., but don't expect anything big out of this team. What they've given us so far is way more than enough expected from a shell of a pro football team. Barker and Milanovich have done the best they can, and they've proven they can do alot with little. Just hold on till next year. That being said, its not like this team hasn't won when they shouldn't have, and that may happen again when it matters. I'm not counting on it though. Its a gimmie year as far as I'm concerned.

Keep in mind that they've played so many games on the road and generally, these are how games are won on the road: keep it close and wait for mistakes to be capitalized on. They are not a smoke and mirrors team. They have the ability to play excellent football but unfortunately it has only been in spurts so far. Even if they lose the next 2 to Hamilton, they would be far from done for this season. They are capable of beating anyone on any given week but yes, lots to be cleaned up if they want to win on labour day.

[ArgoRavi]

Keep in mind that they've played so many games on the road and generally, these are how games are won on the road: keep it close and wait for mistakes to be capitalized on. They are not a smoke and mirrors team. They have the ability to play excellent football but unfortunately it has only been in spurts so far. Even if they lose the next 2 to Hamilton, they would be far from done for this season. They are capable of beating anyone on any given week but yes, lots to be cleaned up if they want to win on labour day.

Well said! I don't even look at these next two games as being the season for the Argos. The season is a marathon and not a sprint. I look at the next two games as giving the Argos a better idea of what they need to do to be a Grey Cup contender come November.

Overall, we should be happy with a 6-3 record at the halfway point of the season, especially with the Argos having to make six trips out west already this season. Remember that this was essentially our second road game against the Esks this season.

[Argo]

The scheduling the Argos have had to endure, for yet another season, has been an absolute farce.

The team needs to find several better players on D - that unit is just not good enough.

Is Creehan really the best we can do? I doubt it.

Asleep at the switch... failing to sign Stephan Logan to, at least, return kicks.

[PullTogether73]

Well said! I don't even look at these next two games as being the season for the Argos. The season is a sprint and not a marathon. I look at the next two games as giving the Argos a better idea of what they need to do to be a Grey Cup contender come November.

If the season is a sprint and not a marathon, wouldn't the next two games essentially decide the fate of the Argos for this season?
I think you said that backwards.


We will be 6-5 soon, but it won't be due to the schedule. The cats are going to beat us, but that's ok. This year is just a gimmie year. Don't put any thought into it. There's some glimmers of hope in Harris and the big 3 etc., but don't expect anything big out of this team. What they've given us so far is way more than enough expected from a shell of a pro football team. Barker and Milanovich have done the best they can, and they've proven they can do alot with little. Just hold on till next year. That being said, its not like this team hasn't won when they shouldn't have, and that may happen again when it matters. I'm not counting on it though. Its a gimmie year as far as I'm concerned.

A 6-3 record, with most games played on the road, tied for first place in their division, playing with a lot of rookies, and you are writing the season off already?
I think you have to turn in your fan card.

[Will]

Well said! I don't even look at these next two games as being the season for the Argos. The season is a sprint and not a marathon. I look at the next two games as giving the Argos a better idea of what they need to do to be a Grey Cup contender come November.

Overall, we should be happy with a 6-3 record at the halfway point of the season, especially with the Argos having to make six trips out west already this season. Remember that this was essentially our second road game against the Esks this season.

The Argos at 6-3 have certainly exceeded my expectations thus far.


The scheduling the Argos have had to endure, for yet another season, has been an absolute farce.

The team needs to find several better players on D - that unit is just not good enough.

Is Creehan really the best we can do? I doubt it.

Asleep at the switch... failing to sign Stephan Logan to, at least, return kicks.

Creehan isn't the best we can do, but we are stuck with him.

It doesn't matter who returns for the Argos if our special teams unit cannot properly set-up returns.

[Antwon]

A 6-3 record, with most games played on the road, tied for first place in their division, playing with a lot of rookies, and you are writing the season off already?
I think you have to turn in your fan card.

I agree. Considering all the uncertainty this year Barker and Millanovich have done a great job to have us where we're at. As a young team we're behind Cal, Ham, and Edm as being a complete team in all phases. And there will be growing pains with any young team. We will only get better.
I think a split with Hamilton will keep us in the thick of things, and I expect a much better effort in those games.

[argonaut11xx]

Both Josey and Coombs had over 100 yards each in this game....too bad running sideways doesnt count.

The game was a joke, a complete lack of effort by most.

[Ron]

The game was a joke, a complete lack of effort by most.

Nope. Hard effort by most. They just got their asses kicked. No Joke.

[AngeloV]

Both Josey and Coombs had over 100 yards each in this game....too bad running sideways doesnt count.

The game was a joke, a complete lack of effort by most.

What did Coombs do wrong? IMO, he was the best player the Argos had on offence last night.

[ArgoRavi]

Nope. Hard effort by most. They just got their asses kicked. No Joke.

I have seen multiple people in multiple places say that the Argos lacked effort last night. The only evidence of that I saw was Elliott prematurely giving up on a play and I bet that he never does that again. I agree that they were simply beaten by the Esks. As Paul said, this was a trap game and I would add that the Esks were extra motivated not to be beaten by the Argos again as they were in Week 1.

[argotom]

I have seen multiple people in multiple places say that the Argos lacked effort last night. The only evidence of that I saw was Elliott prematurely giving up on a play and I bet that he never does that again. I agree that they were simply beaten by the Esks. As Paul said, this was a trap game and I would add that the Esks were extra motivated not to be beaten by the Argos again as they were in Week 1.


It's almost like they were looking passed the Esks and at the LD game with the Cats?

[Argo]

IIRC, I heard Suitor say the Argos were playing their fifth game in 25 days. Difficult.

[Blue90]

Just a terrible effort by the defensive team. Does anyone know how to tackle? No pass rush. Again they make a rookie QB look very good.

Special teams terrible. Can we please get Mike O'Shea back?

Offense. Slow start as usual. Can our coach not get these guys to play in the first half of a game?

[LLB997]

Interesting comments near the end of the game about Ricky Ray's return. The showed him throwing the ball and predicted a 2 to 3 week return or something along those lines. In my opinion, if he is practicing no contact and its almost labour day, I think we should be lucky to see Ricky Back by week 15.

[AngeloV]

Interesting comments near the end of the game about Ricky Ray's return. The showed him throwing the ball and predicted a 2 to 3 week return or something along those lines. In my opinion, if he is practicing no contact and its almost labour day, I think we should be lucky to see Ricky Back by week 15.

Hard to really say that. There is no contact on QB's period during practice, whether it is a full equipment or just helmet practice. So I don't see where the opportunity to have a contact practice, for him in particular, would happen.

[LLB997]

Hard to really say that. There is no contact on QB's period during practice, whether it is a full equipment or just helmet practice. So I don't see where the opportunity to have a contact practice, for him in particular, would happen.

great point Angelo, but I believe Cuthbert said that he was throwing only, and considering how far along we are and as someone who is 1 year into a shoulder separation myself I thought a 2 to 3 week return prediction seemed overly optimistic and i'm just relaying Chris's comment on the no contact at this time. Ive always heard the shoulder was a slow heal but man I had no idea. Remember , Ricky if and when he is back will be taking limited snaps I would think. and its not a great scenario as far as consistency goes if they are battling to secure a playoff spot.Frankly, if he is not taking snaps by mid sept. I think the timing for a return could be problematic. Mid October is no time to be working out the kinks and its not something they are going to want to rush. Hope I am wrong as he is very close to being good to go.

[AngeloV]

great point Angelo, but I believe Cuthbert said that he was throwing only, and considering how far along we are and as someone who is 1 year into a shoulder separation myself I thought a 2 to 3 week return prediction seemed overly optimistic and i'm just relaying Chris's comment on the no contact at this time. Ive always heard the shoulder was a slow heal but man I had no idea. Remember , Ricky if and when he is back will be taking limited snaps I would think. and its not a great scenario as far as consistency goes if they are battling to secure a playoff spot.Frankly, if he is not taking snaps by mid sept. I think the timing for a return could be problematic. Mid October is no time to be working out the kinks and its not something they are going to want to rush. Hope I am wrong as he is very close to being good to go.

I don't disagree with any of that. I also tore my rotator cuff 3 years ago, and it has never fully healed. Of course, I didn't have surgery and barely re-habbed it, and continue to throw in my touch leagues with pain. But I am closer to 50 than 40 and have a real job, so I either live with it, or quit playing ball. I've decided to live with it.

[paulwoods13]

Everything points to Sept. 26 for his return. It will happen when he and the doctors and the coaches deem he's ready. I'm not gonna worry about it in the meantime. TH has been more than fine in his absence.

[Wobbler]

Did anyone notice any contributions by Walker, Bonner, or Zaleski? They dressed, but didn't record any stats and I never saw them.

[paulwoods13]

I saw Walker in at DE on one defensive play, and Zaleski on one kick coverage play. Someone claimed on another forum that the punt-return TD was caused in large part by Bonner failing to maintain the proper positioning but I did not notice that myself.

[Wobbler]

Thanks Paul.

[Will]

I saw Walker in at DE on one defensive play, and Zaleski on one kick coverage play. Someone claimed on another forum that the punt-return TD was caused in large part by Bonner failing to maintain the proper positioning but I did not notice that myself.

Suitor might have mentioned it on the broadcast itself, but am far from 100% on this.

[ArgoRavi]

Suitor might have mentioned it on the broadcast itself, but am far from 100% on this.

Suitor did mention Bonner's error there which led to the punt return TD.

[AngeloV]

I saw Walker in at DE on one defensive play, and Zaleski on one kick coverage play. Someone claimed on another forum that the punt-return TD was caused in large part by Bonner failing to maintain the proper positioning but I did not notice that myself.

Bonner definitely was responsible for outside contain on that play and got caught trying to go inside.

[gilthethrill]

Bonner definitely was responsible for outside contain on that play and got caught trying to go inside.

True. A rookie mistake. Overall, the Argo cover units have been very good this season. Another off season concern that has been answered in a positive way.

[AngeloV]

True. A rookie mistake. Overall, the Argo cover units have been very good this season. Another off season concern that has been answered in a positive way.

Agreed, and I do believe the 5 games in 25 days thing, including 2 short weeks had a lot to do with the way the game finished. Within 2 points to start the 4th quarter actually was pretty good.

[argolio]

Agreed, and I do believe the 5 games in 25 days thing, including 2 short weeks had a lot to do with the way the game finished. Within 2 points to start the 4th quarter actually was pretty good.Agreed. We did well to stay close into the 4th quarter.

["Issues"Mcgee]

We will be 6-5 soon, but it won't be due to the schedule. The cats are going to beat us, but that's ok. This year is just a gimmie year. Don't put any thought into it. There's some glimmers of hope in Harris and the big 3 etc., but don't expect anything big out of this team. What they've given us so far is way more than enough expected from a shell of a pro football team. Barker and Milanovich have done the best they can, and they've proven they can do alot with little. Just hold on till next year. That being said, its not like this team hasn't won when they shouldn't have, and that may happen again when it matters. I'm not counting on it though. Its a gimmie year as far as I'm concerned.

Did you graduate from the Steve Simmons school of sports analysis? Sure, that was an embarrassing loss, but in many cases teams benefit in the long run from being knocked down to earth. Shell of a pro football team? Tone down the baseless negativity a little. The Cats lost to the Als, for god's sake! If you really think the Argos are going 6-5, then I got a crisp Borden that says you're wrong.

Blind faith, my friend. It's the lifeblood of every pro sports team.

[ArgoRavi]

True. A rookie mistake. Overall, the Argo cover units have been very good this season. Another off season concern that has been answered in a positive way.

I was very concerned about having a newbie to Canadian football coaching the special teams this year but Scott Downing has done a nice job so far. The cover teams have been excellent. Hopefully he can get the return game going with more consistency in the second half of the season.

[D-Gap-Willie]

True. A rookie mistake. Overall, the Argo cover units have been very good this season. Another off season concern that has been answered in a positive way.

Not trying to be combative, but that is no " rookie mistake" - that is a fundamental flaw. I had it pounded into me about 60 years ago in Pop Warner Football. "Cover your lane at all costs " is about as fundamental to special teams coverage as putting your helmet on with the face mask at the front. This has not changed and will not change. The problem is not a "rookie mistake" but mental laziness, lack of discipline and focus. Bonner is not the only one -- it's a team-wide problem, that can not only be blamed on the players.

It's as though everyone feels this is a gimme year, and things only start to matter when the new ownership takes over.

[AngeloV]

I was very concerned about having a newbie to Canadian football coaching the special teams this year but Scott Downing has done a nice job so far. The cover teams have been excellent. Hopefully he can get the return game going with more consistency in the second half of the season.

He works very hard teaching during practice. I agree he has done a nice job.

[argolio]

Not trying to be combative, but that is no " rookie mistake" - that is a fundamental flaw. I had it pounded into me about 60 years ago in Pop Warner Football. "Cover your lane at all costs " is about as fundamental to special teams coverage as putting your helmet on with the face mask at the front. This has not changed and will not change. The problem is not a "rookie mistake" but mental laziness, lack of discipline and focus. Bonner is not the only one -- it's a team-wide problem, that can not only be blamed on the players.

It's as though everyone feels this is a gimme year, and things only start to matter when the new ownership takes over.So you're saying we're really the Riders instead of 6-3.

[Ron]

So you're saying we're really the Riders instead of 6-3.

I think he's saying we're the 2014 Blue Bombers

[Argo57]

Late and probably repetitive observations regarding the Edmonton game.
Our defensive play (and tackling) have regressed recently which is worrisome, Creehan always has the shit scared glare on when they show him on the sidelines, also worrisome!!
Barring an extreme elevation in the play of our D by seasons end I would at least place a call to Mike (Baba Booey) Benevides to gauge his interest in the DC job, he is a Toronto guy who knows the game inside out and has coached some pretty good Defences in the past.
Agnew should be gone by now, looked lost last game and can't tackle.
Does get tiresome seeing the Argonauts making these Rookie QB's look good.

[D-Gap-Willie]

So you're saying we're really the Riders instead of 6-3.

Sorry about the late reply. No, I am not saying "we're really the Riders instead of 6-3". However, I do say that we are damned lucky to be 6-3 at this point. The 2014 Argos have some superb personnel and can ( and frequently do) make some exceptional plays. However, are they a consistent, intense, well-prepared, disciplined and professional team ?? - NO, not on any one of these counts. Winning is all very nice, but winning while in control is the end goal.

It bothers me these things do not seem to be getting addressed with any urgency. I'm just that kind of guy - I look for results today, not tomorrow. I see no significant changes from Game 1 to this week in any of these areas. If my feelings are correct that we are merely drifting through the year to get to BMO and the new ownership, then I sense that as being a "gimme year"