September 11, 2015: Hamilton Tiger-Cats vs. Toronto Argonauts

[T-Bone]

http://cfl.assets.mrx.ca/shared/sked_blocks_logos/2012_2/2012_schedule_default2/ham.png vs. http://cfl.assets.mrx.ca/shared/sked_blocks_logos/2012_2/2012_schedule_default2/tor.png

Week 12
Friday, September 11, 2015 at 7:30pm EDT.
Rogers Centre. Toronto, ON.

TV: TSN1/5 (http://www.tsn.ca/tv#/)
Video Webcast: TSN Go (http://www.tsn.ca/tv#/) - ESPN3 (http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index/_/type/upcoming/sport/football/search/CFL/)
Radio: HAM: TSN 1150 (http://www.tsn.ca/radio/hamilton-1150) - TOR: TSN 1050 (http://www.tsn.ca/radio/toronto-1050)
Audio Webcast: HAM: Here (http://player.hamilton.tsn.ca/) - TOR: Here (http://www.tsn.ca/radio/tsn-1050-live-stream-1.52945?ot=example.AjaxPageLayout.ot)
Satellite Radio: SiriusXM (http://www.siriusxm.ca/sports/cfl/)

Depth Charts: HAM: Here (http://ticats.ca/depth-charts/) - TOR: Here (http://www.argonauts.ca/depthchart/list/team/7/year/2015)

Pre-Game Tailgate Party: Starting at 5:00pm Outside Gate 11

Tickets Available: Here (http://www.argonauts.ca/page/toronto-argonauts-tickets) or at Rogers Centre Gate 9 Box Office (http://www.rogerscentre.com/events/tickets.jsp)

Game Preview: Here (http://argonauts.ca/video/index/id/115997)

Post-Game Update:

Game Highlights (http://www.cfl.ca/video/index/id/116107)

Game Recap (http://argonauts.ca/article/argos-fall-to-tiger-cats-in-labour-day-rematch)

Final Score: 35-27 (http://www.tsn.ca/cfl/game/hamilton-tiger-cats-toronto-argonauts-20150911/Stats)

[1argoholic]

Hamilton should take a few days off while Milanovich and crew get their heads from their asses. Hamilton wins big yet again.

[Argo]

Hamilton should take a few days off while Milanovich and crew get their heads from their asses. Hamilton wins big yet again.

Tell us how you really feel : )

[1argoholic]

hahaha.

[R.J]

Milanovich & Co. have to show if this team is for real or just a team that gets lucky. All three facets of the game need to improve, if they don't Barker and Milo had better make some tough decisions.

[Wobbler]

We've had 10 games to evaluate, and I think it is quite clear that we're a mid-range team. We can beat the top dogs if they make a lot of mistakes, but we're not a true Grey Cup contender. I don't think we're one or two players (or coaches) away from contending, either, but an off-season re-vamp that puts us in the (considerably more important) 2016 GC game seems achievable.

[paulwoods13]

We've had 10 games to evaluate, and I think it is quite clear that we're a mid-range team. We can beat the top dogs if they make a lot of mistakes, but we're not a true Grey Cup contender. I don't think we're one or two players (or coaches) away from contending, either, but an off-season re-vamp that puts us in the (considerably more important) 2016 GC game seems achievable.

I tend to agree with this assessment. Earlier this season the Grey Cup seemed like a realistic possibility, less so now -- altho even the mighty Ticats can be beaten (and if Collaros were to get hurt for any stretch of time, they are toast IMO). Still, if we can win two of our next three to stay comfortably in second place, we have at least a hope of gelling at the right time, possibly with a three-time champion back under centre. Our defence's problems would seem to be fixable if mgmt has the will.

[Ron]

Milanovich & Co. have to show if this team is for real or just a team that gets lucky. All three facets of the game need to improve, if they don't Barker and Milo had better make some tough decisions.

The team has actually played very well considering. The winning has glossed over obvious flaws that were always there. Right now the youth of the team is catching up to it. (Let alone the damage of Creehan multiplying exponentially)

ie: I've noticed a decline in Harris. He's regressed a tad in his vision as he now tends to lock on to where he expects to throw the ball. In Hammer i counted 6 times a Argo receiver broke open (3 times wide open) and Harris was just locked into where he intended to throw. If a QB like Ray was in there he'd have seen 5 of those 6 and the game would have looked a lot different. Not a trashing of harris but one can call it an expected regression at his stage of development. Watching the receivers being very frustrated with his missing them being open has to cause some ripple through the offense.

[ArgoRavi]

When I see an excess of pessimism on this forum, I think back to an October day in 2012 after an embarrassing home loss to lowly Winnipeg - the Argos' third home loss in a row - which dropped them to a 7-9 record. Many on here didn't think that the Argos would make the playoffs and yet just a few short weeks later, we all remember what happened. I am certainly not counting out the Argos at this point.

[Argo57]

The team has actually played very well considering. The winning has glossed over obvious flaws that were always there. Right now the youth of the team is catching up to it. (Let alone the damage of Creehan multiplying exponentially)

ie: I've noticed a decline in Harris. He's regressed a tad in his vision as he now tends to lock on to where he expects to throw the ball. In Hammer i counted 6 times a Argo receiver broke open (3 times wide open) and Harris was just locked into where he intended to throw. If a QB like Ray was in there he'd have seen 5 of those 6 and the game would have looked a lot different. Not a trashing of harris but one can call it an expected regression at his stage of development. Watching the receivers being very frustrated with his missing them being open has to cause some ripple through the offense.

Spot on regarding Harris IMO, the first half has been a good learning experience for both Harris and the organization, they now know what they have.
A couple of weeks ago I advocated leaving Harris in there but this team needs a lift and when Ray is ready put him in.

[OV Argo]

Huge game to rebound against the Ticats - better show-up. And NO excuses to not be competitive - heads should roll on the coaching staff if not IMO - all the way up to HC - yep and sorry bout that Milo fans - didn't make the play-offs last year and looked like absolute $h*t in the biggest game of the year so far; a repeat sad-sack performance = time to do some serious thinking there.

2 games to go against Ottawa too are big - might be fighting them for 2nd place - and the way the Ottawa pass attack can get going and against a porous pass D = could be big trouble ; lose those 2 games and might be looking at hoping to cross-over into the wimpy West: BC look like the 3rd place team there with lots of games to go there, but I believe we will see an East cross-over team for the 1st time unless Montreal or Ottawa melt-down the rest of the season .


Spot on regarding Harris IMO, the first half has been a good learning experience for both Harris and the organization, they now know what they have.
A couple of weeks ago I advocated leaving Harris in there but this team needs a lift and when Ray is ready put him in.


ZERO question IMO that Ray should be the starter as soon as he is good to go; loved Harris' game early in the season but he has either struggled or regressed lately and just does not have the big game experience; sitting a healthy HOF QB for a young guy who has flashed some talent because the thinking is it is Harris' team now is just laughable - IMO

[Argocister]

Spot on regarding Harris IMO, the first half has been a good learning experience for both Harris and the organization, they now know what they have.
...........

.... and so do the other teams defenses. Harris has to start looking for the different .... and not as comfortable options on his reads ..... or the receivers et al have to provide him with some different routes.
He is reminding me of Collaros in his first year with Austin .... there were a few times I thought he regressed .... or rather stalled on his comfort plays. The only thing is the opposing defense learn those comfort plays after a few games.

Harris will improve.... but I wouldn't mind Ricky for awhile.

The Argos have a distance to go before they improve to the level of Calgary or the kittens. But .... on any given day they can have a 110% game .... just has to be well timed and peaking at the playoffs.
I think they will rebound this Friday ..... not sure if the cats will allow them the win, but I will be cheering for them

[Argo]

When I see an excess of pessimism on this forum, I think back to an October day in 2012 after an embarrassing home loss to lowly Winnipeg - the Argos' third home loss in a row - which dropped them to a 7-9 record. Many on here didn't think that the Argos would make the playoffs and yet just a few short weeks later, we all remember what happened. I am certainly not counting out the Argos at this point.

The trouble is, well into the season, we're seeing multiple listless and feeble outings from the Argonauts' players and coaching staff.
Ambitious and not inconsiderable change is required to make this ship seaworthy.

[Argo57]

When I see an excess of pessimism on this forum, I think back to an October day in 2012 after an embarrassing home loss to lowly Winnipeg - the Argos' third home loss in a row - which dropped them to a 7-9 record. Many on here didn't think that the Argos would make the playoffs and yet just a few short weeks later, we all remember what happened. I am certainly not counting out the Argos at this point.

Some would say pessimism some would say realism.
Personally don't get the same vibe from this team compared to the 2012 team.
2012 New coaching staff running a new offensive system with a veteran QB, talented receivers and Kackert hitting stride assisted with some really solid O-Line play.
On the D in 2012 very solid overall with Chris Jones and Orlando Steinauer running the show with a good mix of veterans and youth who had bought into the system and believed in it, a far cry from where we are today.

[ArgoRavi]

Some would say pessimism some would say realism.
Personally don't get the same vibe from this team compared to the 2012 team.
2012 New coaching staff running a new offensive system with a veteran QB, talented receivers and Kackert hitting stride assisted with some really solid O-Line play.
On the D in 2012 very solid overall with Chris Jones and Orlando Steinauer running the show with a good mix of veterans and youth who had bought into the system and believed in it, a far cry from where we are today.

If you go back to the thread after that October game at home to Winnipeg though, you would find opinions on this forum even harsher than the ones that we have seen since Monday's game.

[Will]

If you go back to the thread after that October game at home to Winnipeg though, you would find opinions on this forum even harsher than the ones that we have seen since Monday's game.

Well 1argoholic was probably active in that thread too :)

The difference between 2012 and 2015 is that the east is much more competitive this year. Can't afford mistakes.

[1argoholic]

Difference this year as to 2012 is that our D bends, breaks and can't cover or tackle. Really I get into games and hope to win each one but with the change in personal what can we expect. Our db's are really struggling and we have little pass rush. This sets us up to fail. As I've mentioned if I were playing TO I'd pass on every down and go no huddle. You'd just roast this team playing like that. It has to be playing on these young guys who are playing worse each game.

[argonaut11xx]

.... these young guys who are playing worse each game.

YUP..the Argo's defence...I could eat 10 bowls of chili, hammer down a dozen beers, and then eat some chinese takeout and a have few ryes....and the Argo defense would still stink more than my smelly SH*T.....

[Argo]

YUP..the Argo's defence...I could eat 10 bowls of chili, hammer down a dozen beers, and then eat some chinese takeout and a have few ryes....and the Argo defense would still stink more than my smelly SH*T.....

We'd all better have some beans. We're going through some mighty rough country on Friday.

"Defence? We ain't got no defence. We don't need no defence. I don't have to show you any stinkin' defence!"

[jerrym]

We've had 10 games to evaluate, and I think it is quite clear that we're a mid-range team. We can beat the top dogs if they make a lot of mistakes, but we're not a true Grey Cup contender. I don't think we're one or two players (or coaches) away from contending, either, but an off-season re-vamp that puts us in the (considerably more important) 2016 GC game seems achievable.

I basically agreement with your assessment. However, teams occasionally get lucky at playoff time due to key injuries to the other team, an off game by their opponent, an above average performance by their own players, or a few lucky breaks. Beyond these rare occurrences, I don't see the Argos going far in the playoffs.

[AngeloV]

I basically agreement with your assessment. However, teams occasionally get lucky at playoff time due to key injuries to the other team, an off game by their opponent, an above average performance by their own players, or a few lucky breaks. Beyond these rare occurrences, I don't see the Argos going far in the playoffs.

True. There have been a lot of Grey Cup winners with less than stellar regular seasons. As we know, a .500 team winning the cup is not that rare.

[Wobbler]

The depth chart (http://cfl.uploads.mrx.ca/league/pdf/en/depth/2015/Week_11_Depth_Chart094910.pdf) is finally up. Yurichuk and Agnew are our starting outside linebackers - I sure hope we don't need to tackle anyone tomorrow.

[Ron]

There's always the chance that the Cats offensive players wore themselves out on Monday.

[Argo57]

The depth chart (http://cfl.uploads.mrx.ca/league/pdf/en/depth/2015/Week_11_Depth_Chart094910.pdf) is finally up. Yurichuk and Agnew are our starting outside linebackers - I sure hope we don't need to tackle anyone tomorrow.

Hopefully Hamilton is overconfident and drinking heavily tonight, otherwise probably will be a long night.
Question is if the Argonauts get beaten soundly and or humiliated tomorrow night will some heads finally roll??

[AngeloV]

Question is if the Argonauts get beaten soundly and or humiliated tomorrow night will some heads finally roll??

I would think they would have to..especially heading into the bye.

[Stevoman]

Linebacking looks like it might be a problem tomorrow! Is Spencer actually in????

[ArgoRavi]

Linebacking looks like it might be a problem tomorrow! Is Spencer actually in????

Spencer is on the 46 but I am guessing that he will be one of the two scratches.

[ArgoRavi]

Question is if the Argonauts get beaten soundly and or humiliated tomorrow night will some heads finally roll??

What if the Argos have their finest defensive game of the season and shuts down the potent Hamilton offence? Would that be treated as a "one off" and some heads will still roll during the bye or will it be treated as a sign of things to come with the current personnel and defensive coaches?

[Argo]

What if the Argos have their finest defensive game of the season and shuts down the potent Hamilton offence? Would that be treated as a "one off" and some heads will still roll during the bye or will it be treated as a sign of things to come with the current personnel and defensive coaches?

Short-term pain in aid of long-term gain seems far more likely.

[Argo57]

What if the Argos have their finest defensive game of the season and shuts down the potent Hamilton offence? Would that be treated as a "one off" and some heads will still roll during the bye or will it be treated as a sign of things to come with the current personnel and defensive coaches?

Wouldn't hold your breath on that one Ravi.

[Will]

What if the Argos have their finest defensive game of the season and shuts down the potent Hamilton offence? Would that be treated as a "one off" and some heads will still roll during the bye or will it be treated as a sign of things to come with the current personnel and defensive coaches?

Hypothetically speaking, I would have to treat it as a "one off" until the team puts up a couple of similar performances to make me think otherwise.

[Argocister]

What if the Argos have their finest defensive game of the season and shuts down the potent Hamilton offence? Would that be treated as a "one off" and some heads will still roll during the bye or will it be treated as a sign of things to come with the current personnel and defensive coaches?

I'm thinking a one off as well .... but .... I would like to hold on for a few more games .... like 8!

[AngeloV]

If at all possible, I would fire him regardless of outcome tonight. When the Argos allow teams to convert as many 2nd and long situations as they do, it points directly to the man calling the defence. Wrong defensive calls in key situations.

[argotom]

What if the Argos have their finest defensive game of the season and shuts down the potent Hamilton offence? Would that be treated as a "one off" and some heads will still roll during the bye or will it be treated as a sign of things to come with the current personnel and defensive coaches?

It hasn't happened all year save and except the Fort Mac game.
If it does, it's definitely a fluke.

[R.J]

Hopefully Hamilton is overconfident and drinking heavily tonight, otherwise probably will be a long night.
Question is if the Argonauts get beaten soundly and or humiliated tomorrow night will some heads finally roll??

I would think they would have to..especially heading into the bye.

If at all possible, I would fire him regardless of outcome tonight. When the Argos allow teams to convert as many 2nd and long situations as they do, it points directly to the man calling the defence. Wrong defensive calls in key situations.
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What if the Argos have their finest defensive game of the season and shuts down the potent Hamilton offence? Would that be treated as a "one off" and some heads will still roll during the bye or will it be treated as a sign of things to come with the current personnel and defensive coaches?
One off, pull it off 3-4 games in a row and continue to progress then I'd see it as a positive sign. You can bet that I'm not going to hold my breath in anticipation of this happening.

[Gill The Thrill]

I can't believe there will be people with basic cable that will not have access to watching a Hamilton-Toronto CFL game on their one TSN signal...crazy and why the league should never have gone away from having an over-the-air carrier that would have allowed every TV in Canada to have accessible CFL coverage. Truth was if you had basic cable with Rogers in Toronto, then you may not have seen a CFL game on TV in 5 years (including Grey Cups) as they offer Sportsnet Ontario, but no TSN.

That can't be good for ratings and shows how good ratings are despite access or how many people who still have cable don't just have basic cable?

As for the game, I'm hoping for a closer game than Monday's. Objectively predicting a Ticats win, but hopefully a good game.

Score Prediction - Hamilton 34 , Toronto 24. Argo secondary still the achilles heel of this team as the Ticats will make big plays that'll be the difference. Argo offence will hopefully perform better, but Milo will not lean on the running game enough to make a difference. If Kackert and Whitaker get the blocking and are given the ball, then the Argos may discover how to beat this Cats team the way Montreal has twice this season...with a solid ground game.

[AngeloV]

I can't believe there will be people with basic cable that will not have access to watching a Hamilton-Toronto CFL game on their one TSN signal...crazy and why the league should never have gone away from having an over-the-air carrier that would have allowed every TV in Canada to have accessible CFL coverage.

You do know that when the league had over-the-air carriers as their rights holders that not every game was televised, and even those that were televised were subject to blackout in the local market, right?

[ArgoRavi]

If at all possible, I would fire him regardless of outcome tonight. When the Argos allow teams to convert as many 2nd and long situations as they do, it points directly to the man calling the defence. Wrong defensive calls in key situations.

I don't want to be in a situation where I am hoping that the Argos have another crappy defensive performance tonight and lose so that Creehan can be fired. In fact, I cannot hope for that. My hope is that, regardless of what happens in tonight's game, the Argo brass will take a long, hard look at the defence and team in general as this upcoming bye week is really their last chance to make any major changes for this season.

[AngeloV]

I don't want to be in a situation where I am hoping that the Argos have another crappy defensive performance tonight and lose so that Creehan can be fired. In fact, I cannot hope for that. My hope is that, regardless of what happens in tonight's game, the Argo brass will take a long, hard look at the defence and team in general as this upcoming bye week is really their last chance to make any major changes for this season.

I agree Ravi. That's why I say win or lose tonight, it has to be done.

Furthermore, as I have stated before, he is a bad representative of the organization. I've been to practice where there are groups of kids around, and he just goes off with loud F bomb after F bomb. It really is embarrassing.

[Ron]

why the league should never have gone away from having an over-the-air carrier that would have allowed every TV in Canada to have accessible CFL coverage. .

LOL. You act like the CFL had a choice.

And to the general topic ...

I don't see any heads rolling even if the get blown out again.

[Ron]

I don't want to be in a situation where I am hoping that the Argos have another crappy defensive performance tonight and lose so that Creehan can be fired. In fact, I cannot hope for that. My hope is that, regardless of what happens in tonight's game, the Argo brass will take a long, hard look at the defence and team in general as this upcoming bye week is really their last chance to make any major changes for this season.

So you want him fired but also want the team to play well enough to keep him?

[argotom]

If Creehan somehow survives this season, there appears no doubt he will be canned at year end.
So why not do it now at least over the bye week.

[Gill The Thrill]

You do know that when the league had over-the-air carriers as their rights holders that not every game was televised, and even those that were televised were subject to blackout in the local market, right?But that was known at the beginning of the season or when the schedule came out. TSN is changing the TV schedule on the day of the game like they did last week... That can't be good for an audience that's use to seeing games on their TSN signal no matter what.

[Gill The Thrill]

If Creehan is responsible for some personall on defence...then we know his judge of talent is every bit as bad as his coverages.

[argonaut11xx]

If Creehan is responsible for some personall on defence...then we know his judge of talent is every bit as bad as his coverages.

How do you spell success on defence???....S T U B L E R

[Argo57]

I agree Ravi. That's why I say win or lose tonight, it has to be done.

Furthermore, as I have stated before, he is a bad representative of the organization. I've been to practice where there are groups of kids around, and he just goes off with loud F bomb after F bomb. It really is embarrassing.

Hence the players have probably tuned him out and have sniffed through the BS to know that Creehan is clueless and not worth their respect, especially if he carries on like you have reported Angelo (which I believe 100%).

[jerrym]

'Gut-check time' for Argonauts



The Argos find themselves on the brink, faced with one of those moments in a long season when character is tested, a time when they either rebound from an embarrassment or sink further into the abyss.
No other explanation is required, the backdrop to Friday night’s visit by Hamilton featuring so many layers that it’s virtually impossible to list them all, or at least give each dimension its due justice.
In all three phases, the Argos weren’t good on Labour Day Monday when the host Ticats whipped their visitors, 42-12, leading 27-1 at the break when Hamilton didn’t even punt once in the game’s opening 30 minutes.


http://www.torontosun.com/2015/09/10/gut-check-time-for-argonauts

[jerrym]

Argo changes may well be coming if the Argos don't play well tonight.



The product wasn’t good on Monday and it hasn’t been good in back-to-back losses for the Argos.
This team is crying out for change, but it isn’t coming any time soon.
When he got home Monday night, Milanovich got a copy of the game tape and watched it, rewinding plays, mulling over adjustments the Argos need to make for Friday’s game, a short week that gives both teams basically one full practice day.
Offence, defence, special teams, Milanovich saw it all, the missed plays, missed assignments, breakdowns, the rout that ensued as the Ticats mauled the Argos, 42-12.
“Unfortunately, it’s very similar,’’ he said. “It’s the details. It’s six inches here, it’s Trevor (Harris) underthrowing a corner route by this far (Milanovich’s hands were extended by roughly four inches). Same thing on defence. Our linebacker maybe one yard short in his depth and Zach (Collaros) barely gets it over his head.
“That was maybe one of the positive things. It was like: ‘Wow! It’s not like we were that far off.’ But at some point we have to grasp the details and get them right. It’s why we coach them. It can be fixed, but in some cases it’s happened too frequently.”
A punt return in Edmonton for a touchdown, a blocked punt in Hamilton, two plays that underscore the need to clean things up on special teams.
Five first-half first downs on Monday and zero first-half points, this after the Argos’ offence had seven points in the second half in Edmonton, including zero in the game’s final quarter.
Henry Burris threw for 426 yards by completing 32 of 36 passes against Toronto.
Then came James Franklin in his starting debut, Edmonton’s quarterback completing 29 of 38 attempts for 335 yards.
Collaros was 26 of 38 for 400 yards as Hamilton led 27-1 at halftime.
Whether the team has reeled off three wins in a row or has now lost two in succession, changes are always being pondered.
“It’s pretty much a weekly thing,’’ said Milanovich.


http://www.torontosun.com/2015/09/08/argos-entire-october-home-slate-in-jeopardy

[jerrym]

Finally, the Argos stop the Ticats. Its an interception that leaves them on their 2 but I'll take any sign of life in the defence at this point.

[jerrym]

When you come up with a big play, you can't immediately negate it with an interception, especially against the Ticats in your own end if you want to win.

[jerrym]

Coates immediately proves my point on the first play from scrimmage following the Ticat interception.

[tennyis]

wow attendance looks brutal tonight, ive been switching between the jays game have they mentioned it all?

when I said the argos should keep collaros and trade ray you guys thought I was nuts.. I REALLY wish they did now!

[tennyis]

trick play... what a waste

[jerrym]

Biggest play on the Argo TD drive was Harris's run showing the Harris and the Argos are here to compete.

[Neely2005]

Great trick play attempt!

Look at that, run the ball and things open up!

[tennyis]

Biggest play on the Argo TD drive was Harris's run showing the Harris and the Argos are here to compete.

agreed BUT iw asn't a fan of the trick play. had he got hurt on the play.. and it was because he was trying to run for a first down on second down afer a trick play i wouln't have been a happy camper!

[jerrym]

Owens is suffering fumbilitis recently but fortunately this time the ball came out after he touched the ground.

[jerrym]

Big improvement in Argo downfield coverage on returns so far.

[Wobbler]

Sounds like there are more Ti-Cat fans than Argo fans in the crowd.

[Argo57]

Bush league bullshit roughing call against Hawkins.

[Neely2005]

Sounds like there are more Ti-Cat fans than Argo fans in the crowd.

Nope, they're just on the side with the cameras and the sound guy.

[Neely2005]

Bush league bullshit roughing call against Hawkins.

Terrible call!

[jerrym]

Bush league bullshit roughing call against Hawkins.

I agree - Hawkins was doing everything he could to not hurt him.

[Ron]

Terrible call but consider the view the ref had. Ground level from behind.

[argos1873]

Terrible call but consider the view the ref had. Ground level from behind.

Agreed, all he could probably see is Hawkins hands to the back.

[jerrym]

Waters saves the day on lousy punt coverage. How often have I seen that this season?

[jerrym]

Refs miss holding on Holley run. Then call Argos on phantom illegal contact. Refs not having a good game again.

[Wobbler]

I'm dismayed that we never seem to have a dump-off option when Hamilton blitzes. A blitz should be an opportunity, not a damage control prompt.

[Neely2005]

Brutal refereeing!

[Argo57]

Refs miss holding on Holley run. Then call Argos on phantom illegal contact. Refs not having a good game again.

Saw it as well, Okpalaugo play pretty stupid!!

[jerrym]

However, Okpalaugo dumb penalty was deserved becoming the icing on the penalty cake TD for Hamilton.

[Stevoman]

Football has gotten way too sensitive!!!!!!! That call on Hawkins on the sidelines was ridiculous and embarrassing to watch the Ticats bench erupt. That illegal contact call on #9 was terrible and I don't want to watch a game where that is called a penalty. CFL needs to fix this. Okapualogo on the other hand has no reason to complain, he's making stupid plays.

[jerrym]

Argos need to march some distance down the field after 3 two-and-outs, if they are to avoid wearing out their own defence.

[jerrym]

Of course they go 4 two-and-outs.

[jerrym]

With that penalty-filled mesh, the Argos are lucky to escape with only a FG. Over 100 yards in the first half in penalties, even with bad reffing, is totally unacceptable.

[jerrym]

Another quick out giving the Ticats the ball again before the half. If this doesn't change in the second half, a worn down Argo defence will be easy pickings.

[Argo57]

League should be embarrassed by this officiating display.

[Neely2005]

League should be embarrassed by this officiating display.

I've never seen the fans this mad at a ref.

[Argo57]

With good reason.
Crappy penalties aside the offence needs to get something going.

[jerrym]

Gurley TD! Still need to stop taking penalties.

[tennyis]

League should be embarrassed by this officiating display.

dont disagree but the argos should also be embarrased by there play and professionalism

yapping at the refs isn't helping

[Argo57]

About time TD!!

[Neely2005]

dont disagree but the argos should also be embarrased by there play and professionalism

yapping at the refs isn't helping

Hard not to when the refs are this bad though.

[Wobbler]

Good job going for two. It didn't work this time, but it'll work next time (statistically).

[Argo57]

Waters dinged again!!

[Wobbler]

Waters can't really be injured again, can he?

[jerrym]

Coombs TD! On the comeback trail!

[Neely2005]

Why is Stala kicking?

Edit, never mind I see above that he's injured again.

[jerrym]

Waters can't really be injured again, can he?

Sure looks that way.

[Argo57]

Good defences hold and get the O back on the field, unfortunately we score and Hamilton has no issue marching down for a TD.

[Ballstothewall]

[QUOTE=tennyis;67965]wow attendance looks brutal tonight, ive been switching between the jays game have they mentioned it all?

when I said the argos should keep collaros and trade ray you guys thought I was nuts.. I REALLY wish they did now![/QUOTE

Not really, it looks alright now, you have to wait till second Q. More then the last game, would say 18,000]

[Ballstothewall]

17,674 in the house tonight

[Neely2005]

17,674 in the house tonight

50 / 50 is $7000!

[Wobbler]

I wonder whether our medical staff has been evaluating Waters properly. A 29-year-old kicker isn't normally fragile, but if there are concerns they should be communicated to the coaching staff. Obviously.

[Wobbler]

I don't *really* think there was interference on that play, honestly, but t'was terrific coaching by Milanovich to create enough time to assess the play and then challenge it. Nicely done.

[Argo57]

I wonder whether our medical staff has been evaluating Waters properly. A 29-year-old kicker isn't normally fragile, but if there are concerns they should be communicated to the coaching staff. Obviously.

Don't worry Wobbler, we can always make a trade with Ottawa to get one of their kickers.

[Argo57]

Hamilton going right after Hawkins.

[Argo]

A real sportsman here: https://vine.co/v/eFMu1n9Dp7D

[Wobbler]

Don't worry Wobbler, we can always make a trade with Ottawa to get one of their kickers.
Good call. Chris Milo may not be elite, but he has been pretty steady (heh heh).

[LLB997]

this team frustrates me to no end.

[Stevoman]

A real sportsman here: https://vine.co/v/eFMu1n9Dp7D
Yup, Kent Austin in a nutshell. Absolutely no class. It's embarrassing really...

[Stevoman]

Argos showed much more fight tonight but Hamilton is a very strong team and took full advantage of too many Argos penalties. 6-5 but 4 of those losses have come to last year's Grey Cup teams. While definitely struggling, the Argos are not that far away either.

[Argo57]

A real sportsman here: https://vine.co/v/eFMu1n9Dp7D

I noticed that one as well, Stala didn't look too happy (with good reason), Austin is an arrogant asshole!!

[Argo57]

Argos showed much more fight tonight but Hamilton is a very strong team and took full advantage of too many Argos penalties. 6-5 but 4 of those losses have come to last year's Grey Cup teams. While definitely struggling, the Argos are not that far away either.

Better but far from good enough, our defence continues to come up small when it counts!!

[larz-7]

i thought we played alot better tonight and really thought we could pull this off.penalties killed us, and most were justified .What bugged me the most is one we took for touching Zacks feet yet Harris gets naiedl after the the throw no penalty.then Stala gets hit with his leg still up after the kick. no penalty. Embarrassing is the head ref calling off setting penalties on the argos when one was for hamilton.He screwed up again calling argos on a penalty when it was once again hamilton.

[larz-7]

thanks for posting this .karma is gonna be a bitch for this turd come playoffs.

[argotom]

Better but far from good enough, our defence continues to come up small when it counts!!


Agreed, the D was horrid again tonight.
Soft zone coverage on the back side with little or no pressure from the line.
Creehan has to get the axe.

[Neely2005]

A real sportsman here: https://vine.co/v/eFMu1n9Dp7D

About the same amount of class as the Hamilton fans.

[ArgoRavi]

I am disappointed in the loss tonight but was pleased to see a good "push back" from the Argos. I don't think that the gap is that huge between these two teams although the Argos clearly have some work to do to close it by playoff time.

I was starting to waver a little after the Labour Day game as to whether Ray shouldn't be the starting QB when he comes back but, after tonight, I am much firmer in my belief that we have to stick with Harris. He really took the team on his back tonight and deserved a much better fate IMO. The offence came alive in the 2nd half and showed that they can move the ball effectively against Steinauer's defence.

The defence played better in the 1st half but penalties did them in. In the 2nd half, they seemed to regress as they couldn't generate any stops and allowed far too many 2nd a long conversions once again. I still like the personnel on this defence but they have to do some tweaking. I am just not sure that Creehan is the guy to get the most out of this defence but Barker and Milanovich are going to have to do some deep thinking in the coming days to figure out how they are going to make this defence a "championship-calibre" one.

I didn't think the special teams were bad tonight but they had two major screw-ups which resulted in 10 Hamilton points. There was the blocked punt in the 4th quarter which was quite predictable given that Stala was in to punt and Banks' return in the 2nd quarter which was a result of a poor punt by Waters and Herbert not keeping contain. That resulted in a short field for the Ticats which they turned into a TD. Kackert looked good returning kickoffs though and played his best game overall since the Winnipeg game.

Finally, as an Argos fan, I have never liked the Ticats but I honestly don't think I have hated a Hamilton team more than this one. And it all starts with their head coach. Kent Austin was caught on a TSN microphone just before the half accusing Devin Smith of faking an injury when he would have had no reason to do so. I know that one of the Smith DBs suffered a suspected concussion but am not sure if it was Devin or Branden. If it was Devin, that looks even worse on Austin but, regardless, it was a classless move by him in addition to his bumping Stala on the sidelines later in the game. If the Argos can go into Hamilton in the East Final and knock the Ticats off, it might be the sweetest win ever. I just hate this cocky, arrogant Ticats team.

[Will]

Austin bumping Stala obviously annoys me, but the Argos haven't given them much reason not to be cocky and arrogant, and the very fact that some are hoping for karma is only further evidence of that fact. They swept the season series by a combined score of 111-58 and are now in the driver's seat for top spot in the east.

The left-hand of the Argos does not know what the right-hand is doing and I've felt that this is an issue over the years. In this game, the defense played a decent first half, not great, but they certainly looked better than Monday. Collaros did not have as many wide-open receivers and I felt that the team did a nice job containing him. But, the offense sputtered in the first half. Flip this to the second half where the offense starts to move the ball, but the defense goes back to it's usual ways. What was even more disappointing is the line of scrimmage where the Tiger-Cats OL did a nice job opening holes for their running game. That area on the field is the most improved for the Tiger-Cats, IMO.

The Argos offense has been plagued all season by costly penalties. Sometimes it's a receiver yapping, but the most frustrating part is that the Argos will make 2-3 first downs to move the ball into the opponent's 40-50 yardline, however it seems to me like a costly holding penalty or hands to the face or whatever by the OL backs them up and the drive stalls. The Argos were overwhelmed for the most part by the Ticats blitzing schemes. As I said on Monday, the team speed on the Ticats defense is superb in the way they close in on receivers to break up plays.

The bye week is a tremendous opportunity for the Argos reflect on this losing streak and see if they can't make the necessary changes. As bad as the last three games have been the team is still 6-5 and while, unfortunately, 1st place in the east is probably out of reach the team still needs to fend of Ottawa and Montreal. The two remaining games against Ottawa are crucial, and this talk about the team having to play the 10/06 game in TD Place is sickening given that Ottawa is a completely different team home vs. away. I fear, however, that based on Milanovich's comments tonight that Creehan got a stay of execution assuming that he was on the "hot seat" with the coaching staff (and not us fans) in the first place.

[Stevoman]

I agree that Harris was a warrior tonight and stood his ground making throws knowing he was going to be hit. I have full confidence in him. Also, glad Milanovich gambled on that 3rd down that led to the Gurley touchdown. That was quite surprising to me.

[1argoholic]

Tired and it's pushing 3am and it's long crap trip home after a game and loss like that. WAY too many penalties, many very stupid and many I'm still looking for. Stupidest play was the fumble recovery and celebration while not having a clue that the play was still alive. I got up dropping f bombs and walked out for a few minutes. I knew we were going to lose come hell or no Waters. Good one! haha. This team needs help. We need more Spencer! Barker should be trying to fill gaps and cut some slack useless guys.

Sick of people yapping about The Jays. I just tell them that I don't care and that Rogers sucks.

[Ron]

Yup, Kent Austin in a nutshell. Absolutely no class. It's embarrassing really...

Bob Young ‏@CaretakerBob (https://twitter.com/CaretakerBob)<small class="time" style="font-size: 13px; color: rgb(136, 153, 166);"> 3h3 hours ago (https://twitter.com/CaretakerBob/status/642565853414846464)</small>
Bob Young retweeted Tim Owens
That's just funny. Dave is popular w Kent and most of Hamilton. It's a jocks version of "Hi Dave" ;-)

[Double Dare]

Bob Young ‏@CaretakerBob (https://twitter.com/CaretakerBob)<small class="time" style="color: rgb(136, 153, 166); font-size: 13px;"> 3h3 hours ago (https://twitter.com/CaretakerBob/status/642565853414846464)</small>
Bob Young retweeted Tim Owens
That's just funny. Dave is popular w Kent and most of Hamilton. It's a jocks version of "Hi Dave" ;-)
You whiney guys are clued. As soon as Austin did it, I could tell it was all in fun. Stala was surprised at the moment, but is laughing about it today.

[Double Dare]

I couldn't believe my eyes ... fencepost Milanovich actually called a few trick and risky plays last night! Whoa.

[mchesher03]

Well we started going for it because waters was out. Without knowing at the time about waters, the 3rd and 9 "go for it" blew my mind like many others I'm sure. Seeing waters out then it made sense more. We are the second best team in the east, Hamilton is the clear cut first seed and we will have to go to Hamilton to make it to grey cup - it is what it is here now.

[Argo]

I did not watch the game, just looked at the stat sheet and the highlights. It appears that once again Owens was a non-factor. Time to start Spencer instead?

[Will]

Bob Young ‏@CaretakerBob (https://twitter.com/CaretakerBob)<small class="time" style="font-size: 13px; color: rgb(136, 153, 166);"> 3h3 hours ago (https://twitter.com/CaretakerBob/status/642565853414846464)</small>
Bob Young retweeted Tim Owens
That's just funny. Dave is popular w Kent and most of Hamilton. It's a jocks version of "Hi Dave" ;-)



Well if Bob Young says it's OK...

[AngeloV]

Waters saves the day on lousy punt coverage. How often have I seen that this season?

In defense of that punt coverage, it was a lousy punt by Waters. Line drive, short, down the center of the field. Banks caught it coming forward with momentum his way. Very difficult to cover. Coverage was great the rest of the night.

[AngeloV]

I'm dismayed that we never seem to have a dump-off option when Hamilton blitzes. A blitz should be an opportunity, not a damage control prompt.

Harris was very confused in the first half and was not seeing things well on the blitzes. At the game I noted 1 play where Whitaker ran a flat route and was being covered by DE Justin Hickman. Harris tried to force the ball over the middle to Hazelton. Just a bad read by what I saw as a frustrated QB, and I don't blame him. He was getting hit so much, it wasn't funny.


League should be embarrassed by this officiating display.

I was saying the same thing all night. Never mind just the BS calls, but the big stupid guy (Bradbury) at least on three occasions identified the wrong team when making his call. How can a head ref be that confused?

[AngeloV]

I did not watch the game, just looked at the stat sheet and the highlights. It appears that once again Owens was a non-factor. Time to start Spencer instead?

Owens made a big catch on a 3rd and 13 which was called back due to offsetting penalties. He also converted another 3rd and 8 play on the last drive which gave the Argos an opportunity to at least try and tie the game at the end. There is nothing wrong with Owens other than the fact that he is being overlooked in the offence. Hell, 3 weeks ago everybody was complaining about Coombs, and he has been great the last 3 games.

[gilthethrill]

Kackert looked good as a KR. I thought Milanovich was gonna kill Hazelton after he mouthed of yet again, costing his team 10 precious yards. No complaints about lack of fight in the Argos last night. No doubt Barker is on the phones looking for a kicker & hopefully Ball, Brampton lad Muamba & Carter to help out on D.

Go Lions on Sunday. Going to be an interesting last 7 games...could care less about MLB.

[R.J]

LOL. You act like the CFL had a choice.
Actually the league did have a choice re: staying on OTA TV, at the time when the CFL and TSN signed in original exclusive agreement back in 07, it was confirmed that the CBC and Global (then owned by CanWest) were planning on a joint bid worth $20 million per season, of which the CFL didn't even bother looking at. Also the CFL didn't have to stay exclusive for 2014 and beyond (TSN's exclusive negotiating rights ended in Fbb. 2013), they choose to. The extension to 2021 is understandable, as it's pretty evident it was included as part of the BELL's ownership of the Argonauts.

Kackert looked good as a KR. I thought Milanovich was gonna kill Hazelton after he mouthed of yet again, costing his team 10 precious yards. No complaints about lack of fight in the Argos last night. No doubt Barker is on the phones looking for a kicker & hopefully Ball, Brampton lad Muamba & Carter to help out on D.

Go Lions on Sunday. Going to be an interesting last 7 games...could care less about MLB.
I could see the Argos bringing back Anthony Alix for kicking duties and I would agree that Barker needs to find a way to bring Muamba, Ball and Carter, IMO they're sorely needed.

[gilthethrill]

Actually the league did have a choice re: staying on OTA TV, at the time when the CFL and TSN signed in original exclusive agreement back in 07, it was confirmed that the CBC and Global (then owned by CanWest) were planning on a joint bid worth $20 million per season, of which the CFL didn't even bother looking at. Also the CFL didn't have to stay exclusive for 2014 and beyond (TSN's exclusive negotiating rights ended in Fbb. 2013), they choose to. The extension to 2021 is understandable, as it's pretty evident it was included as part of the BELL's ownership of the Argonauts.

I could see the Argos bringing back Anthony Alix for kicking duties and I would agree that Barker needs to find a way to bring Muamba, Ball and Carter, IMO they're sorely needed.

Not a huge fan of Alix....according to Drew Edwards twitter, Muamba is visiting the Ti-Cats today but will not sign today....that sucks.

[argotom]

Kackert looked good as a KR. I thought Milanovich was gonna kill Hazelton after he mouthed of yet again, costing his team 10 precious yards. No complaints about lack of fight in the Argos last night. No doubt Barker is on the phones looking for a kicker & hopefully Ball, Brampton lad Muamba & Carter to help out on D.

Go Lions on Sunday. Going to be an interesting last 7 games...could care less about MLB.

Absolutely part of the evil Rogers empire, who cares about the Crap Jays and good riddance of the dome.

[R.J]

Not a huge fan of Alix....according to Drew Edwards twitter, Muamba is visiting the Ti-Cats today but will not sign today....that sucks.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources around <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/cfl?src=hash">#cfl</a> saying Muamba will visit three teams in next couple of days. Hamilton and Toronto confirmed.</p>&mdash; gary lawless (@garylawless) <a href="https://twitter.com/garylawless/status/642731624254144512">September 12, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[Argo]

Owens made a big catch on a 3rd and 13 which was called back due to offsetting penalties. He also converted another 3rd and 8 play on the last drive which gave the Argos an opportunity to at least try and tie the game at the end. There is nothing wrong with Owens other than the fact that he is being overlooked in the offence. Hell, 3 weeks ago everybody was complaining about Coombs, and he has been great the last 3 games.

Ok, that's good to hear.

I assume that if we signed Muamba we could play Spencer. I wouldn't be surprised, though, to see the rich get richer, with Muamba signing with the Ti-Cats, or another top-tier, financially flush (for the CFL) team c/w a superior playing facility.

Coombs looked dynamic on the highlight reel.

[ArgoRavi]

Ok, that's good to hear.

I assume that if we signed Muamba we could play Spencer. I wouldn't be surprised, though, to see the rich get richer, with Muamba signing with the Ti-Cats, or another top-tier, financially flush (for the CFL) team c/w a superior playing facility.

Yep, the Argos will have to sell Muamba on what will be happening a year from now to have any chance at signing him.

[1971GreyCup]

I would be pleased to see additional players and coaches brought in. Barker should have lots of Cap space for
Ricky Rays 6 day injury status. Interested to see if Braley releases the funds needed for Alix, Muamba and Ball.

[Rocket]

I noticed that one as well, Stala didn't look too happy (with good reason), Austin is an arrogant asshole!!

I noticed seeing that on t.v as well! funny the idiot tsn announcers didn't even mention anything about the hit or how Stala wanted a go at it with Austin. Typical tsn announcers clueless and just plain bad!

[Argo57]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources around <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/cfl?src=hash">#cfl</a> saying Muamba will visit three teams in next couple of days. Hamilton and Toronto confirmed.</p>&mdash; gary lawless (@garylawless) <a href="https://twitter.com/garylawless/status/642731624254144512">September 12, 2015</a></blockquote>
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This will be a good barometer as to how the Argonauts are perceived by free agents.

[gilthethrill]

I noticed seeing that on t.v as well! funny the idiot tsn announcers didn't even mention anything about the hit or how Stala wanted a go at it with Austin. Typical tsn announcers clueless and just plain bad!

There was the love fest for Adrian Tracey & chatter about Thursday nights NFL game surrounding headsets....had no idea about the Stala bump until I came on the forum.

[Argo57]

There was the love fest for Adrian Tracey & chatter about Thursday nights NFL game surrounding headsets....had no idea about the Stala bump until I came on the forum.

Also the endless shots of Fantuz and his stupid grin on the sidelines became an irritation after a while.

[Neely2005]

Well if Bob Young says it's OK...

Well obviously he's an impartial observer. It's not like he would be trying to protect his coach.

[Argocister]

50 / 50 is $7000!

Monday's labour day pot was over20,000

[ArgoRavi]

I would be pleased to see additional players and coaches brought in. Barker should have lots of Cap space for
Ricky Rays 6 day injury status. Interested to see if Braley releases the funds needed for Alix, Muamba and Ball.

What would Anthony Alix cost? Regardless, I seriously doubt we will be seeing him in Toronto again as he played very poorly the last time he was around and didn't look that good in Ottawa either.

[Argocister]

Maybe Swayze will be fine after a couple weeks rest....... Here's hoping .
I'm not impressed with the thoughts of Alix or Alvarado ..... And there's no way now that the RedBlacks are taking Milo off their active roster. Too bad Whyte got picked up last week by the Esks.
Pre?

[1971GreyCup]

RedBlacks with 2 kickers on the squad, sounds like a good plan to me.

[AngeloV]

RedBlacks with 2 kickers on the squad, sounds like a good plan to me.

Except for the fact that both are much better place kickers than punters.

[AngeloV]

A real sportsman here: https://vine.co/v/eFMu1n9Dp7D


Yup, Kent Austin in a nutshell. Absolutely no class. It's embarrassing really...

I'm guessing someone in the league office wasn't too impressed, as Austin issued an apology for the incident. Sorry, but I don't care for that I'm sorry.

http://www.tsn.ca/tiger-cats-head-coach-austin-issues-apology-1.359786

[1971GreyCup]

Austin "Ethics are what you do when nobodies looking." Not when you're on national TV

[1argoholic]

Some say it was a joke. Why would he apologize then. He's fecal matter in my books. Austin you are like Rogers, YOU BLOW!!!!

[jerrym]

I missed the last part of the game as I had to go to a dance with my wife. However, I did catch the last Argo possession as the dance was at a casino with large TV screens. My impressions:
The refs were atrocious - saying anything more would get me banned.
The Argos were outplayed by a better team but they did not give up the fight, which is important for making the playoffs.
Even taking into account the refs, the Argos once again showed a total lack of penalty discipline -if this is not corrected their season will come to grief.
Harris showed his leadership skills in playing with an attitude that will serve him well throughout his career.
Obviously, the loss of Waters is a big blow as he is simply irreplacable at anywhere near the same skill level.

[Neely2005]

I'm guessing someone in the league office wasn't too impressed, as Austin issued an apology for the incident. Sorry, but I don't care for that I'm sorry.

http://www.tsn.ca/tiger-cats-head-coach-austin-issues-apology-1.359786

Austin has been fined $5000. IIRC Barker was fined $7500 for being on the sideline last season.

[ArgoRavi]

Austin has been fined $5000. IIRC Barker was fined $7500 for being on the sideline last season.

Barker was also banned from the sideline for the rest of the season which amounted to the final two regular season games.

[TheHammer]

Barker was also banned from the sideline for the rest of the season which amounted to the final two regular season games.

Jim Barker is a GM who potentially effected the outcome of the game. While I do not support Kent's actions, he is a coach who was simply unprofessional.

What's more fineable?

[AngeloV]

Jim Barker is a GM who potentially effected the outcome of the game. While I do not support Kent's actions, he is a coach who was simply unprofessional.

What's more fineable?

Whether he was joking or not, when he bumped a player from behind, that player could have lost his balance and been injured. No matter how remote that possibility was, it is way worse than a GM yelling at an official.

[Neely2005]

Jim Barker is a GM who potentially effected the outcome of the game. While I do not support Kent's actions, he is a coach who was simply unprofessional.

What's more fineable?

One made physical contact, one didn't. It's pretty clear to me which one is more fineable.


Barker was also banned from the sideline for the rest of the season which amounted to the final two regular season games.

Forgot about that. Also it looks like Barker was fined $2500 (plus the 2 game ban) not $7500. Still think that Austin is getting off light since he made physical contact and Barker did not.

[1argoholic]

What if Austin did that to a player who would have turned around and knocked him cold? This scene could have gotten real ugly real fast. On a side note too bad he didn't do that to Ricky Foley. haha. Would have loved to see Austin knocked cold.

[paulwoods13]

What if Austin did that to a player who would have turned around and knocked him cold? This scene could have gotten real ugly real fast. On a side note too bad he didn't do that to Ricky Foley. haha. Would have loved to see Austin knocked cold.

It's possible Austin was hoping for Stala to go off and get himself tossed. He was our emergency kicker, after all. Maybe unlikely, but not out of the realm of consideration IMO.

[argonaut11xx]

It's possible Austin was hoping for Stala to go off and get himself tossed. He was our emergency kicker, after all. Maybe unlikely, but not out of the realm of consideration IMO.

Austin is the kind of character than would pull a stunt like that for sure...he is gutterfilth

[Argo]

Austin is the kind of character than would pull a stunt like that for sure...he is gutterfilth

His formal apology is very fine material, however.

But his behaviour... there are some things that a gentleman, let alone a sportsman, just does not do.

[Double Dare]

His formal apology is very fine material, however.

But his behaviour... there are some things that a gentleman, let alone a sportsman, just does not do. I thought it was hilarious ... Austin doing his "walking dead" impression : ) Too bad Milanovich didn't express more emotion ... the original "walking dead" head coach.

[1argoholic]

Karma will catch up with Austin one day while not paying attention he'll get hammered by a guy getting knocked out of bounds and hurt him real good.

[argotom]

Definitely a bush league move by him.
Having said that, the man does coach with an edge, like it or not.