October 30, 2015: BC Lions vs. Toronto Argonauts

[T-Bone]

http://cfl.assets.mrx.ca/shared/sked_blocks_logos/2012_2/2012_schedule_default2/bc.png vs. http://cfl.assets.mrx.ca/shared/sked_blocks_logos/2012_2/2012_schedule_default2/tor.png

Week 19
Friday, October 30, 2015 at 7:00pm EDT.
Rogers Centre. Toronto, ON.

TV: TSN1/3/4 (http://www.tsn.ca/tv#/)
Video Webcast: TSN Go (http://www.tsn.ca/tv#/) - ESPN3 (http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index/_/type/upcoming/sport/football/search/CFL/)
Radio: BC: TSN 1040 (http://www.tsn.ca/radio/vancouver-1040-i-1410) - TOR: TSN 1050 (http://www.tsn.ca/radio/toronto-1050)
Audio Webcast: BC: Here (http://player.tsn1040.ca/) - TOR: Here (http://www.tsn.ca/radio/tsn-1050-live-stream-1.52945?ot=example.AjaxPageLayout.ot)
Satellite Radio: SiriusXM (http://www.siriusxm.ca/sports/cfl/)

Depth Charts: BC: Here (http://www.bclions.com/page/bc-lions-2015-depth-charts-and-rosters) - TOR: Here (http://www.argonauts.ca/depthchart/list/team/7/year/2015)

Tickets Available: Here (http://www.argonauts.ca/page/toronto-argonauts-tickets) or at Rogers Centre Gate 9 Box Office (http://www.rogerscentre.com/events/tickets.jsp)

Game Preview: Here (http://argonauts.ca/video/index/id/118901)

Post-Game Update:

Game Highlights (http://www.cfl.ca/2015/10/31/recap-bc-27-toronto-25/)

Game Recap (http://www.argonauts.ca/article/syndicated/476741/one-step-closer-jennings-lions-fend-off-argonauts)

Final Score: 27-25 (http://www.tsn.ca/cfl/game/bc-lions-toronto-argonauts-20151030/Stats)

[1971GreyCup]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash">#Argos</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/fakeGAINER">@fakeGAINER</a> ARGO'S seeking elsewhere to play 2 more home games <a href="https://twitter.com/Rogers">@Rogers</a> unable to convert field before Jays home opener in April 2016</p>&mdash; Mike Pierzchalski (@pierzcm) <a href="https://twitter.com/pierzcm/status/657941528002867200">October 24, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Neely2005]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash">#Argos</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/fakeGAINER">@fakeGAINER</a> ARGO'S seeking elsewhere to play 2 more home games <a href="https://twitter.com/Rogers">@Rogers</a> unable to convert field before Jays home opener in April 2016</p>&mdash; Mike Pierzchalski (@pierzcm) <a href="https://twitter.com/pierzcm/status/657941528002867200">October 24, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Lol, good one.
:)

Finally, Home Game # 4 in Week # 19!

Hopefully I remember where our seats are.
:)

[1argoholic]

Funny

[timlb01]

Thank goodness the Jays are dead and we can play in the big smoke again. I hated going to the 3 games in Hamilton this year especially the last 2 back to back weeks. It will be an interesting game and I expect we will see Ricky Ray start. Hopefully we can finish the season winning our final games!

How amazing would it have been if the Argos owned the SkyDome and we would have bullied the Jays. This entire scenario may have been possible in the 1970's and early 80's. The media and the city would not have turned their backs on the Argos. The Blue Jays are "Canada's Team" my a#$. The CFL is Canada's League and more Canadians like the CFL the the Jays. Shame on you Rogers, Shame! I will never forget what you did, Never! Shame on you Jeff Orridge being a mute on the topic. It is your job to fight for what is best for the League and you chose to do nothing.

Hopefully we will get a home playoff game and get to Winnipeg! I think Fridays game will show us all if this team will come together and challenge for the Cup. Go Argos Go!

[Rocket]

Thank goodness the Jays are dead and we can play in the big smoke again. I hated going to the 3 games in Hamilton this year especially the last 2 back to back weeks. It will be an interesting game and I expect we will see Ricky Ray start. Hopefully we can finish the season winning our final games!

How amazing would it have been if the Argos owned the SkyDome and we would have bullied the Jays. This entire scenario may have been possible in the 1970's and early 80's. The media and the city would not have turned their backs on the Argos. The Blue Jays are "Canada's Team" my a#$. The CFL is Canada's League and more Canadians like the CFL the the Jays. Shame on you Rogers, Shame! I will never forget what you did, Never! Shame on you Jeff Orridge being a mute on the topic. It is your job to fight for what is best for the League and you chose to do nothing.

Hopefully we will get a home playoff game and get to Winnipeg! I think Fridays game will show us all if this team will come together and challenge for the Cup. Go Argos Go!


Has anyone seen Jeffery ORRIDGE?

[R.J]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a> sources say <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash">#Argos</a> to announce Ricky Ray will make first start of 2015 this week against <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BCLions?src=hash">#BCLions</a></p>&mdash; Matthew Scianitti (@TSNScianitti) <a href="https://twitter.com/TSNScianitti/status/658297720235536384">October 25, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hearing <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash">#Argos</a> coaches thought &quot;Ricky looked liked Ricky&quot; following QB 2nd half appearance vs. MTL</p>&mdash; Matthew Scianitti (@TSNScianitti) <a href="https://twitter.com/TSNScianitti/status/658297789743546368">October 25, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Milanovich confirms Ray&#39;s start &amp; says after repeated unacceptable behaviour on the sidelines, Gurley will not play vs <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BClions?src=hash">#BClions</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash">#Argos</a></p>&mdash; Matthew Scianitti (@TSNScianitti) <a href="https://twitter.com/TSNScianitti/status/658318225646686208">October 25, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Leash for Ray will be &quot;broad&quot; coach wants to see what Ray can do. Ricky is confident he can throw the deep ball. QB feels no pressure <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a></p>&mdash; Matthew Scianitti (@TSNScianitti) <a href="https://twitter.com/TSNScianitti/status/658319283303358464">October 25, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[Wobbler]

A broad leash? That's... a harness, I guess? Well here's hoping that Ray helps us plow our way to victory!

[AngeloV]

If Ray plays well, it can turn out to be the best of both worlds for the Argos, as perhaps re-signing both QB's will become easier with Harris' camp coming to the realization that he is not going to get huge coin.

[gilthethrill]

I watched the 1st half of the Lions Cats game Friday night. Lions really played with a lot of energy. Jennings looked really good at home.

[R.J]

http://argonauts.ca/video/index/id/118743

[Double Dare]

I watched the 1st half of the Lions Cats game Friday night. Lions really played with a lot of energy. Jennings looked really good at home. Jennings IS good ... far better than Matthews or Harris.

[paulwoods13]

Jennings IS good ... far better than Matthews or Harris.

Wow -- this is based on five or six starts? Remember how everyone on here was saying Trevor was better than Ricky after five wks? Remember how good Casey Printers looked in 2004? I'd hold off just a bit on anointing Jennings as the next star QB in this league.

[ArgofanIan]

I was kind of worried.... Rogers would find a way to not let us play our final games... at Sky dome... I see on the ARGO web site you can buy tickets ... and our Purolator game is on as well... so Looks like things are falling into place... so hopefully that's official and we can enjoy the end of the season...

Our last two games maybe must win games for the LIONs and Bombers.. With Ottawa playing Hamilton... not sure how things are going to play out.

Anyways ... lets get out and support the team.

Go ARRGOS!

[Double Dare]

I'd hold off just a bit on anointing Jennings as the next star QB in this league. Did I say that? I said he is far better than Matthews & Harris.

[paulwoods13]

Did I say that? I said he is far better than Matthews & Harris.

Yes you did. And I said I'd wait more than five games before drawing such conclusions about him (or Mathews for that matter).

[Double Dare]

Jennings IS good ... far better than Matthews or Harris. Here is what I said ...

[R.J]

Wow -- this is based on five or six starts? Remember how everyone on here was saying Trevor was better than Ricky after five wks? Remember how good Casey Printers looked in 2004? I'd hold off just a bit on anointing Jennings as the next star QB in this league.
Unless I'm missing something and it was posted elsewhere, DD stated that Jennings is good, far better than Harris or Matthews, of which I agree, maybe not FAR better though. I don't see anywhere it written that Jennings is the next start QB and neither do I recall anyone on here stating that Harris was better than Ray, maybe time to move on from Ray because of injuries or his age, but Harris better than Ray ????

[gilthethrill]

The Argos will have to play a very good game in order to beat this Lion team that seems to be on the rise.

[Scooter McCray]

The Argos will have to play a very good game in order to beat this Lion team that seems to be on the rise.

Agreed. They can beat the Lions. But can they pull themselves back from the brink mentally and finish out the year strong without the road baggage anymore? If they can do that and move onward and visualize the opportunity that is there for the taking they will be in a good place. There should be no mentally tougher team in football than the Argos. They are their own worst enemy.

[gilthethrill]

Agreed. They can beat the Lions. But can they pull themselves back from the brink mentally and finish out the year strong without the road baggage anymore? If they can do that and move onward and visualize the opportunity that is there for the taking they will be in a good place. There should be no mentally tougher team in football than the Argos. They are their own worst enemy.

The CFL is a hard league to figure out. It seems a team can look dreadful one week, then look amazing the next. (Montreal). Same with Hamilton, they looked good 2 games ago then looked horrible in BC. The Argos seem to get blown out each time they've lost this year with the exeption of the home loss to Hamilton. Would not be surprised to see them bounce back in a huge way Friday.

[Scooter McCray]

The CFL is a hard league to figure out. It seems a team can look dreadful one week, then look amazing the next. (Montreal). Same with Hamilton, they looked good 2 games ago then looked horrible in BC. The Argos seem to get blown out each time they've lost this year with the exeption of the home loss to Hamilton. Would not be surprised to see them bounce back in a huge way Friday.

I agree with you. I think they can finally pin their ears back. Had they had to finish their season out at THF than I think they might be done. It was asking too much of these players. My thinking is they have new hope now, new found energy to see the season out. Safe in the knowledge next year will be 180 degrees different.

[R.J]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Phil Bates in for WR Tori Gurley for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash">#Argos</a>. Big body. Nice hands. Former Seahawk&amp;Cowboy. NFL opportunities limited after broken foot <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a></p>&mdash; Matthew Scianitti (@TSNScianitti) <a href="https://twitter.com/TSNScianitti/status/659074057686634496">October 27, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[Wobbler]

Huh. I had assumed that Spencer would go back in, but this is more interesting. It's nice to get a look at our most promising PR guys, and hey, Ricky has about as much familiarity with Bates as he does with our other receivers.

[AngeloV]

Huh. I had assumed that Spencer would go back in, but this is more interesting. It's nice to get a look at our most promising PR guys, and hey, Ricky has about as much familiarity with Bates as he does with our other receivers.

Depending on the status of CVZ and Wayne Smith, perhaps both Bates and Spencer will dress.

[gilthethrill]

Depending on the status of CVZ and Wayne Smith, perhaps both Bates and Spencer will dress.

Could Palardy replace Rogers as PK? Our kicking game will be outclassed again this Friday regardless.

[R.J]

Depending on the status of CVZ and Wayne Smith, perhaps both Bates and Spencer will dress.

FWIW, I saw Van Zeyl with the first team offense in a video via TSN discussing Ray returning to right the ship, hopefully he can stay healthy enough to start. Saw something else that made me stomach turn however, Fonoti was also taking reps with the first unit at RG............smh.


Could Palardy replace Rogers as PK? Our kicking game will be outclassed again this Friday regardless.
Pains me to say it, but I'd rather see Palardy play over that Rogers kid.

[OV Argo]

Depending on the status of CVZ and Wayne Smith, perhaps both Bates and Spencer will dress.


What is the status of the O-line heading to the play-offs? Who is nicked or maybe somebody is able to come off the injured list?

What about Campbell & King, and are Van Zeyl & Smith questionable ?

Trotting out 2 raw rookie imports was not a good idea IMO and it showed; also showed the total lack of faith in Sewell & Michell i guess. If those 2 new import guys play again, when either of Mitchell or Sewell could be given a shot = sad IMO.

O-line is going to be key for this pass only offence - wether it's Ray or Harris playing QB; but Ray might fare better with his quicker reads & smart decision making to get rid of the ball - before getting schmucked or throwing bad picks. Of couse, IMO, some more commitment to some ground game could help, but I doubt that will happen.

[R.J]

Yeah, I really don't understand how Sewell isn't playing, saying that Fonoti played no better than a pylon is disrespectful to pylons IMO.
If it were up to me I'd put Van Zeyl at RG and start Sewell at RT. While only limited spot duty, I think Sewell has looked good on the outside.

[AngeloV]

Yeah, I really don't understand how Sewell isn't playing, saying that Fonoti played no better than a pylon is disrespectful to pylons IMO.
If it were up to me I'd put Van Zeyl at RG and start Sewell at RT. While only limited spot duty, I think Sewell has looked good on the outside.

I would do the same thing.

[ArgoRavi]

What is the status of the O-line heading to the play-offs? Who is nicked or maybe somebody is able to come off the injured list?

What about Campbell & King, and are Van Zeyl & Smith questionable ?

King is done for the season, OV, so he is simply not an option.

As far as the kicking game goes, I am willing to give Jake Rogers another chance. If he doesn't perform considerably better in the dome then it would be time to look at another option although Waters might be ready for the Winnipeg game anyway.

[OV Argo]

Yeah, I really don't understand how Sewell isn't playing, saying that Fonoti played no better than a pylon is disrespectful to pylons IMO.
If it were up to me I'd put Van Zeyl at RG and start Sewell at RT. While only limited spot duty, I think Sewell has looked good on the outside.


Mitchell has been such either a bust or mystery guy in his CFL time - top rated, high draft pick and a several year starter at OT in Div I ball; he did start some at guard for the Esks and i think did OK there; but he has been off and on the roster and seemed like he was done at one time; now back on a CFL roster but i guess just thought of as a back-up; Sewell might be an option at OT, but I might be inclined to think Mitchell could do as well or better at OT or be decent at guard. Trotting out those 2 raw rookie imports last game was a slap in the face to both Sewell & Mitchell IMO and typical CFL gob Americans first attitude stuff. Another brand new import receiver air-lifted in and handed a starting job in place of Gurley now ? - I'd rather see a vet in Stala play, but maybe they have too many NIs starting - 7 is plenty.

[Wobbler]

We're going to appear in the East Semi, so this season can't be any worse than a mild disappointment. We should make a good effort to host that game, but that's just one of our remaining goals. Further experimentation on the OL should be shelved because it's time to collect data on QB performance and figure out what we're going to do in 2016+. But elsewhere? Yes please.

[Scooter McCray]

The East is up for grabs. Hamilton without Collaros is vulnerable. Ottawa is playing well and can win the division. Toronto owns Ottawa. Give Ray the next two starts but work Trevor into the games. Have Ray start against Hamilton in semi. Start Harris against Ottawa in Final and start Ray in grey cup to secure his 4th grey cup win.

[1argoholic]

Getting excited for two nights in the Big Smoke. Should turn out to be a GREAT B-Day weekend. Hopefully an Argo win but at least I can yell crap about Rogers after hitting Amsterdam. Then Sat will have Cora Pizza involved with more quality beer and then The Brains, East End Radicals and Los Kung Fu Monkey's at The Horseshoe.

Well hopefully the guys are chilled and have had a great week of practice leading up to a big game. They need to get on track and they can help themselves by keeping Ray from getting killed. Hope Ray is as calm as he always seems and has a terrific game. If we need Harris he's available. Might help him relax as well.

Just sitting here as the rain pounds off of our metal roof and thought of how nice it would be to be playing at BMO tonight. It would be HELL!!!!

[timlb01]

When are we expecting Swayze Waters to be back? I cannot find anything on him recently. The kicking game has been rough lately. I also think the Argos need to have a plan if he goes down in the post season .... we will be in huge trouble then!

[gilthethrill]

When are we expecting Swayze Waters to be back? I cannot find anything on him recently. The kicking game has been rough lately. I also think the Argos need to have a plan if he goes down in the post season .... we will be in huge trouble then!

I am certain Watters is expected back for the season finale against Winnipeg. Will be interesting who is in uniform to kick Friday. I see the Argos drafting a kicker in the off season to be groomed behind Swayze.

[R.J]

Mitchell has been such either a bust or mystery guy in his CFL time - top rated, high draft pick and a several year starter at OT in Div I ball; he did start some at guard for the Esks and i think did OK there; but he has been off and on the roster and seemed like he was done at one time; now back on a CFL roster but i guess just thought of as a back-up; Sewell might be an option at OT, but I might be inclined to think Mitchell could do as well or better at OT or be decent at guard. Trotting out those 2 raw rookie imports last game was a slap in the face to both Sewell & Mitchell IMO and typical CFL gob Americans first attitude stuff. Another brand new import receiver air-lifted in and handed a starting job in place of Gurley now ? - I'd rather see a vet in Stala play, but maybe they have too many NIs starting - 7 is plenty.
As of right now I'd say Mitchell is a bust, although in fairness he's only been in there for very limited spot duty, along with FG attempt and 3rd down gambles, etc. Maybe he along with Sewell just need some actual game reps (at least a couple of games starting IMO). How Milanovich can start Fonoti again is frustrating and confusing to me. I also agree with the notion of Stala starting, he's been a good team guy all year and come up big when the team has needed him, he's the type of guy that Milanovich should be rewarding.

[paulwoods13]

Twitter report from AJ Jakubec ‏@AJonSports (Redblacks play-by-play guy):
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Henry Burris at practice &amp; in uniform today. He&#39;s throwing. But Thomas DeMarco is taking all of the first team reps. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RNation?src=hash">#RNation</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a></p>&mdash; AJ Jakubec (@AJonSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/AJonSports/status/659406993770332161">October 28, 2015</a></blockquote>
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If Burris hurt his knee last week, as seems possible, East may be even more wide-open than it was before. All the more reason to be sure RR is ready to play if needed.

[argolio]

The team psyche of the Argos interests me a lot more than news out of Ottawa and Hamilton. I'm worried that the huge wall we hit last week could mean this season is effectively over, which makes this week, playing against a highly motivated team, the biggest game of 2015.

[Neely2005]

Getting excited for two nights in the Big Smoke. Should turn out to be a GREAT B-Day weekend. Hopefully an Argo win but at least I can yell crap about Rogers after hitting Amsterdam. Then Sat will have Cora Pizza involved with more quality beer and then The Brains, East End Radicals and Los Kung Fu Monkey's at The Horseshoe.

Well hopefully the guys are chilled and have had a great week of practice leading up to a big game. They need to get on track and they can help themselves by keeping Ray from getting killed. Hope Ray is as calm as he always seems and has a terrific game. If we need Harris he's available. Might help him relax as well.

Just sitting here as the rain pounds off of our metal roof and thought of how nice it would be to be playing at BMO tonight. It would be HELL!!!!

Don't forget that BMO Field will have a roof over the stands next year too.

[Argo]

The team psyche of the Argos interests me a lot more than news out of Ottawa and Hamilton. I'm worried that the huge wall we hit last week could mean this season is effectively over, which makes this week, playing against a highly motivated team, the biggest game of 2015.

This game will show what the Argos are made of, as BC is now playing like anything but a pushover.
Another catatonic effort from the Argos and...

[shayman]

Don't forget that BMO Field will have a roof over the stands next year too.

Let's hope the rain always falls exactly straight down :-)

[ArgoRavi]

The team psyche of the Argos interests me a lot more than news out of Ottawa and Hamilton. I'm worried that the huge wall we hit last week could mean this season is effectively over, which makes this week, playing against a highly motivated team, the biggest game of 2015.

I think that the return home, Ricky Ray's return and the BMO Field tour will get this team reinvigorated. I look for a strong performance on Friday night although I predicted a rebound last week which we didn't see. Still, this team seems like a resilient one to me.

["Issues"Mcgee]

Any indication so far on what the attendance will be on Friday? Even if it's only around 15,000, the dome is going to seem like Mosiac Stadium after a certain two games I need not mention.

[ArgoRavi]

Any indication so far on what the attendance will be on Friday? Even if it's only around 15,000, the dome is going to seem like Mosiac Stadium after a certain two games I need not mention.

Truer words have never been spoken.

[Bleeds Double Blue]

Any indication so far on what the attendance will be on Friday? Even if it's only around 15,000, the dome is going to seem like Mosiac Stadium after a certain two games I need not mention.Whatever the expected attendance, you can add 2 more to the total because I am on my way to the airport. I hope there will still be a few good seats available when we get there.

[R.J]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash">#Argos</a> depth chart vs. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BCLions?src=hash">#BCLions</a>. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a> <a href="https://t.co/fKlXNH87yT">pic.twitter.com/fKlXNH87yT</a></p>&mdash; CFL News (@CFL_News) <a href="https://twitter.com/CFL_News/status/659761694651121664">October 29, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[paulwoods13]

Looks like Johnson and either Bradfield or Palardy to sit.

[argotom]

Now that TFC has lost big in Montreal tonight and that's great to hear, let the construction work on BMO begin.
As for tomorrow around 15k is about right.

[PullTogether73]

now that tfc has lost big in montreal tonight and that's great to hear

smh.

[1argoholic]

Time to add some double blue seats to that place.

[AngeloV]

Inetersting note: The game will be on TSN radio 1050 tonight. Surprisingly, they are moving the Raptors game down the dial to 1010. Can this be seen as some long overdue respect?

[Scooter McCray]

Inetersting note: The game will be on TSN radio 1050 tonight. Surprisingly, they are moving the Raptors game down the dial to 1010. Can this be seen as some long overdue respect?

On TV which game will draw more viewers do you think? Argos or Raptors?

[gilthethrill]

Inetersting note: The game will be on TSN radio 1050 tonight. Surprisingly, they are moving the Raptors game down the dial to 1010. Can this be seen as some long overdue respect?

Man I hope there is a pre-game show on TSN radio that I can listen to on the way home from work.

[AngeloV]

On TV which game will draw more viewers do you think? Argos or Raptors?

Argos...Raptors early season ratings are never great.

but then..the Leafs are also on tonight, so it is going to be an interesting night.

[Scooter McCray]

Argos...Raptors early season ratings are never great.

but then..the Leafs are also on tonight, so it is going to be an interesting night.

Well there will be alot of sports viewers tonight. If the Leafs and Raptors have poor games some of that viewership should swing over to the Argos. Good to see TSN 1050 stick with the Argos then, given the other MLSE teams are both playing.

[ArgofanIan]

This is a must win for BC so kind of worried about tonight's game. At times they have looked real good.... but most of the time not... Think we will need our A game tonight..looking forward to it... I will be there...GO ARRRGOS

[AngeloV]

Man I hope there is a pre-game show on TSN radio that I can listen to on the way home from work.

No pre game. Broadcast starts at 7.

[gilthethrill]

No pre game. Broadcast starts at 7.

Oh well...no "Yes Guy No Guy" with Tatti & Anunziatta...but the post game show will be good ...to all those who can attend the game live, enjoy!

[PullTogether73]

This is a must win for BC so kind of worried about tonight's game. At times they have looked real good.... but most of the time not... Think we will need our A game tonight..looking forward to it... I will be there...GO ARRRGOS

It's the recent trends that have me concerned about this game.
B.C. has looked very good in its last 2 games. The Argos have possibly played their worst all season over the last 2 games.
If that trend continues...😩

I'm leaving in about 45 minutes for the game.
I'll be sitting in my season seats in Section 215 row 4 by myself unfortunately - couldn't find anyone to join me tonight!☹️

[Gill The Thrill]

On TV which game will draw more viewers do you think? Argos or Raptors?

Toronto and Vancouver are two of the 3 largest markets in Canada, although not the best CFL markets this year, they'll still get their share of viewers. Throughout all of Canada, the Argos/Lions game will win out particularly many in BC and Ontario outside of the city markets in the rest of their provinces. Lived outside of Toronto for several years and always got "Go Argos Go," whenever I wore Argo gear, more outside of the GTA than in the GTA. With the Leafs playing, it will be interesting but they may get blown out early against a decent skating Ranger team forcing many to change the channel. Then there is the World Series, where the Canadian viewership may be higher than years previous because fans have followed the MLB playoffs.

All that said, Argos will beat Raptors throughout Canada...bothers me to friggin say this but the Raps may win in the GTA....still though, people that live in the sticks do buy merchandise too, so advertisers will be getting there value.

[Ballstothewall]

The Raptors at times have trouble breaking 150,000 and have has games with TV numbers below 100,000

[1971GreyCup]

David Braley sighting tonight. First time in years I've seen him near the team. Of course, his BC Lions are in town. A fan actually asked Braley for an autograph.

[argonaut11xx]

Looks like `Friends and Family Night` on TV.

Sadly the sound on television makes it sound WORSE than the THF games.

The Argos need this win, and im hoping that the TORONTO v EVERYONE attitude wins out.

[Ballstothewall]

Looks like `Friends and Family Night` on TV.

Sadly the sound on television makes it sound WORSE than the THF games.

The Argos need this win, and im hoping that the TORONTO v EVERYONE attitude wins out.




Yes, the hundreds of us down here tonight, thanks all you Argo fans at Home watching

[gilthethrill]

I like the fact that the D forced 3 turnovers in the first half...do not like the fact that the Argos scored 0 points off of them. Jake Rogers does not appear to be a pro kicker. Our Oline looks over matched, Lions do not respect the play fake. Wish Barker could have obtained Rainey off the street. Exciting 2nd half coming up.

[jerrym]

Ricky's short game looks OK but there is no zip on his long ball. He's obviously still recovering.

[gilthethrill]

Ricky's short game looks OK but there is no zip on his long ball. He's obviously still recovering.

The Argos offence was light out all year in the redzone with Harris....hope Ray can continue that success.

[Argo57]

I like the fact that the D forced 3 turnovers in the first half...do not like the fact that the Argos scored 0 points off of them. Jake Rogers does not appear to be a pro kicker. Our Oline looks over matched, Lions do not respect the play fake. Wish Barker could have obtained Rainey off the street. Exciting 2nd half coming up.

You are too kind in your assessment of the kicker, the guy sucks huge plain and simple.
Ray hanging tough and starting to get going, hopefully the Argo O-Line can protect him.

[gilthethrill]

You are too kind in your assessment of the kicker, the guy sucks huge plain and simple.
Ray hanging tough and starting to get going, hopefully the Argo O-Line can protect him.

So, what you are trying to say is Rogers Sucks?

[Argo57]

So, what you are trying to say is Rogers Sucks?

Yes Rogers sucks huge!!!!

[Gill The Thrill]

Yes, the hundreds of us down here tonight, thanks all you Argo fans at Home watching

No problem...Wendy's Friday Night Football on TSN could use the ratings. Screw the 7:00 pm start, screw the Rogers Centre and screw their stadium food of which the Argos get not a cent from concession sales.

Sad that it seems that low, but what do you expect? The team gave up on home field advantage from game 1 this year with that Ft. Macmurray crap.

I also advocated that the team STAY in 416 during thier exiled home games. Those crowds of 3-4,000 could have easily been acheived at York University and would have provided a better atmosphere which may may have actually seen them perform better. I actually think more would have come out, but at least the Argos could've gauged where there fan base is willing to travel within Toronto. Instead the Argos chose to listen to too many Burlington and Oakville fans. Seems like there is not as many Argo fans in Peel and Halton as some posters here would want you to believe.

In truth, I've been to 2 Skydome games, and the first one at Hamilton, so I've done my part. Second of all, I prefer to not feel rushed in eating a healthy dinner which is why I decided to pass on this game, and attend next week's 7:30 pm start time which affords me that extra half hour to enjoy a meal before heading to the stadium....hope the Argos take that in consideration, and schedule all evening games for 7:30 pm at BMO field.

[jerrym]

There should have been a BC penalty when Ray was hit sliding feet first.

[gilthethrill]

There should have been a BC penalty when Ray was hit sliding feet first.

I thought it was more of an upper back hit.....

[gilthethrill]

Is Gabriel out of the game? TSN sideline reporter has said nothing.

[Argo57]

Cleyon Laing having a great game then pulls his usual boneheaded penalty!!

[gilthethrill]

Cleyon Laing having a great game then pulls his usual boneheaded penalty!!

Stupid 15 yard penalties are haunting this team with one game left.....if it has not been corrected by now it won't be this season.

[jerrym]

The Lions sure have got the breaks on their TD drive with Jennings being not being whistled down on the QB sneak and a couple of Argo penalties.

[gilthethrill]

Cut Rogers before the 4th quarter starts..Lions are getting short fields.

[jerrym]

Once the Argos start getting penalties, they continually blow their cool over it and quickly get more.

[gilthethrill]

Once the Argos start getting penalties, they continually blow their cool over it and quickly get more.

After that 3rd quarter, the chances of the Argos hosting a playoff game may have ended.

[jerrym]

Isaac just told his teammates off getting riled up over referees' calls instead of focusing on the game. Good for him, but the coach's should be jumping on this, instead of Isaac.

[larz-7]

we may get a penalty soon for just being on the feild

[jerrym]

What little mobility Ray had seems to be totally gone now.

[larz-7]

What little mobility Ray had seems to be totally gone now.
he is tired

[Argo57]

he is tired

Tired of getting sacked.

[jerrym]

Miles just keep impressing me every game with his savvy play,

[jerrym]

Hawkins blocks a punt and scores. Now let's see if the offence can do something with the momentum change.

[Gill The Thrill]

Cut Rogers before the 4th quarter starts..Lions are getting short fields.

Jake Rogers...6'4", 217lbs; Born: Warsaw, Indiana...College: Univ of Cincinatti.

You could tell there is too many International (Import American) roster spots on CFL teams when the Argos are wasting an International roster spot on this so called kicker. Surely, there is a frickin Canadian somewhere that could be paid just as much to kick a ball better than this goof. That 42 yarder was not even close, looked like he was going for a single point on the sidelines in the endzone.
For all the idiot NFL only fans, this guy has actually been invited to several NFL camps. What the hell are scouts doing, looking at him with his jersey on and saying, "yah, he looks like a football player." What a joke?

[jerrym]

The Argo defence seems energized by the block as it strips Harris of the ball.

[jerrym]

Jake Rogers...6'4", 217lbs; Born: Warsaw, Indiana...College: Univ of Cincinatti.

You could tell there is too many International (Import American) roster spots on CFL teams when the Argos are wasting an International roster spot on this so called kicker. Surely, there is a frickin Canadian somewhere that could be paid just as much to kick a ball better than this goof. That 42 yarder was not even close, looked like he was going for a single point on the sidelines in the endzone.
For all the idiot NFL only fans, this guy has actually been invited to several NFL camps. What the hell are scouts doing, looking at him with his jersey on and saying, "yah, he looks like a football player." What a joke?

I agree totally.

[Gill The Thrill]

The Argo defence seems energized by the block as it strips Harris of the ball.Finally, some sign of life. Could make things interesting in the CFL standings if the Argos can pull this off. I'd like to see an Eastern crossover for once.

[Argo57]

Jake Rogers...6'4", 217lbs; Born: Warsaw, Indiana...College: Univ of Cincinatti.

You could tell there is too many International (Import American) roster spots on CFL teams when the Argos are wasting an International roster spot on this so called kicker. Surely, there is a frickin Canadian somewhere that could be paid just as much to kick a ball better than this goof. That 42 yarder was not even close, looked like he was going for a single point on the sidelines in the endzone.
For all the idiot NFL only fans, this guy has actually been invited to several NFL camps. What the hell are scouts doing, looking at him with his jersey on and saying, "yah, he looks like a football player." What a joke?

Well said.
Couldn't agree more!!

[Gill The Thrill]

I just turned my head to read this board...what happened to the Argos inside the BC 30.

Did they not go for the FG?

[jerrym]

Great job by Foley to get to Jennings especially when there should have a holding penalty on BC on Foley's rush.

[larz-7]

go boys go

[Ballstothewall]

And the number of people who watch the Grey Cup does not necessarily translate to people who love the CFL. It's an event and a lot of casual fans/non-fans tune in. Also, the Grey Cup is one-time investment of three to five hours. The Blue Jays drew huge audiences for 11 playoff games and a lot of regular-season games. For the record the Super Bowl has outdrawn the Grey Cup in recent years.

I truly believe if a survey was taken today across the country, the Blue Jays would be outpoll the CFL. As a CFL fan I wish that weren't so, but I think it would be.
If a survey was taken today, the Jays would outpoll the Leafs too

[larz-7]

Great job by Foley to get to Jennings especially when there should have a holding penalty on BC on Foley's rush.
sorry that dont count. would make too much sense

[gilthethrill]

Jake Rogers...6'4", 217lbs; Born: Warsaw, Indiana...College: Univ of Cincinatti.

You could tell there is too many International (Import American) roster spots on CFL teams when the Argos are wasting an International roster spot on this so called kicker. Surely, there is a frickin Canadian somewhere that could be paid just as much to kick a ball better than this goof. That 42 yarder was not even close, looked like he was going for a single point on the sidelines in the endzone.
For all the idiot NFL only fans, this guy has actually been invited to several NFL camps. What the hell are scouts doing, looking at him with his jersey on and saying, "yah, he looks like a football player." What a joke?

Justin Palardy should have been dressed last game as well as tonight.

[jerrym]

I know some have commented on the small crowd but it doesn't look as bad as I thought it would on TV. Of course that is not saying much.

[jerrym]

Great catch by Owens!

[larz-7]

its 3 down football now wtf

[larz-7]

too little time left we need a pick 6

[gilthethrill]

Cut the offensive line along with Rogers too......

[jerrym]

Ray was hit as he threw the interception. The combination of greater mobility by Jennings and better pass protection has helped BC win this game.

[larz-7]

abit of a heart breaker . we had a chance but blew it

[gilthethrill]

3-5 in the last 8 games...not a good time to falter..

[jerrym]

Same old old story - penalties, penalties penalties.

[dmont]

.

This loss is on Milanovich.

1. Should have taken Ray out in the second half. Ray's arm was jelly in the final two quarters. Plus, Harris plays great in high pressure games.

2. Should have gone for it on 2 and 5. Had no confidence in Rays offense (see point 1)

A very winnable game that Milo let slip away. Sorry Coach.

[jerrym]

Rogers must go - no explanation needed.

[larz-7]

.

This loss is on Milanovich.

1. Should have taken Ray out in the second half. Ray's arm was jelly in the final two quarters. Plus, Harris plays great in high pressure games.

2. Should have gone for it on 2 and 5. Had no confidence in Rays offense (see point 1)

A very winnable game that Milo let slip away. Sorry Coach.
Ray needed to stay until at least the fourth .yes he was tired everyone could see it.At that point Milo should of went to Trever and said i want this game.
Ray needs reps as does Trever. i honestly though they would be a duo the rest of the season.

[Argo57]

Only positive is Ray and his wonky wing survived the latest O-Line shitshow!!
Don't expect much in the playoffs folks.

[larz-7]

Wanted a kicker whom can punt more than 30 yards, and make a field goal from the same, We have a back up receiver whom can do this but we would rather pay some one else

[Stevoman]

Foley had a great game and so did the Argonauts special teams.
Ray was decent in the first half but was lucky on the TD throw, defender over ran it. Second half, it was obvious that he is not strong enough and may never be again. There was no chance for a comeback led by the offence as they could not throw deep.
Penalties killed them again in the 3rd quarter.
What kind of kicking game was that? Points left all over on the field and if it were not for special teams this wouldn't have been close.
A very winnable game but not without a kicker, and with a one armed quarterback, and too many hot heads.

[PullTogether73]

Just back from this game and read the last couple of pages of comments.

So I take it this game was as painful to watch on TV as it was in person?

OMG!
The offence couldn't be worse in the last three games.👎

[ArgoRavi]

The four reasons the Argos lost tonight were a terrible kicking game, no offence in the second half, poor pass protection throughout the game and the two defensive drives with all of the penalties in the third quarter which handed the Lions 14 points.

It is too bad that the defence had those two penalty-filled drives because I thought that Casey Creehan came up with a pretty good defensive gameplan tonight which they excecuted well. The Argos took Andrew Harris out the game, forced four turnovers on defence and blocked two kicks while only turning over the ball once and still managed to lose. Jake Rogers should be released tomorrow. He is simply not a professional-calibre kicker.


Ray needed to stay until at least the fourth .yes he was tired everyone could see it.At that point Milo should of went to Trever and said i want this game.
Ray needs reps as does Trever. i honestly though they would be a duo the rest of the season.

He had to stick with Ray for the entire game to see exactly what he has in him at this point. The terrible game by the offensive line was a factor tonight and didn't do Ray any favours. The TSN guys said at halftime that the Lions need to take away the short passing game and see if Ray could beat them deep and that is exactly what B.C. did.


Isaac just told his teammates off getting riled up over referees' calls instead of focusing on the game. Good for him, but the coach's should be jumping on this, instead of Isaac.

I am sure that the coaches have preached this all season. At this point, having a veteran do it would probably have more impact.

[1971GreyCup]

This year is turning out to be mirror of Grey Cup 2012 Argos. We are in the opposite in 2015 with starting hot & collapsing in time for playoff stretch run. Although no difference when it comes to Argos propensity to take dumb penalties. Four years and we haven't got the discipline instilled?

[PullTogether73]

The cheerleaders' performance to "Thriller" was better than anything the Argos offence did all night.
SMH.

[Blue90]

Just another terrible performance by this team and the coaching staff.
Coaching....Why is Ray playing in the 2nd half.....he can hardly throw the ball and when he does it's a 5 yard pass.
Offensive line......offensive
Defensive line.......offensive
Kicking team........offensive
Specialty teams.....offensive
Discipline......unbelievable.....how long will they continue to take unnecessary penalties
If they keep playing like this they will be lucky to get 5000 fans for their playoff game.

[ArgoRavi]

If they keep playing like this they will be lucky to get 5000 fans for their playoff game.

Unless Hamilton sweeps Ottawa, the Argos won't be playing a playoff game at home this year.

[Will]

I understood on one hand why Ricky Ray was starting this game. Trevor Harris had struggled two games in a row and Scott Milanovich wanted to see if he couldn't spark this offense. However, in complete retrospect, I don't understand the logic in it for one reason and that is Ricky Ray is seemingly incapable due to his injuries to execute this offense to it's fullest. It's either Ray can't throw downfield or our receivers have not been able to get open downfield for three weeks in a row. I really do believe that he shouldn't have been in this game by the second half. That TD drive late in the second quarter possibly extended his time in the game. I do not buy the factor that the Argos needed to see what they had in Ray because week 19 of the season is not the time to be doing this. The offense as a whole aside from the QB situation should be of great concern as well. The right side of that OL is going to have to rebuilt over the off-season that's for certain. The Big Three have also gone into a disappearing act similar to that losing streak earlier in the season.

I said on the site Twitter feed that special teams cannot be causing you games in October. Well, special teams helped cost this team a game in October. Special teams were awful, awful, awful tonight from the punting to place kicking to returns. British Columbia started out at or around midfield so many times and with Ray arguably limited that played to their advantage. Even if BC didn't produce on the drive they could pin the Argos deep and due to the Argos inept punting they just handed that field position right back. Jake Rogers should not be doing the punting and kicking chores for this football team next week.

I'm going to openly wonder whether any of the DC, OC or ST coordinator will be back next season. As for Scott Milanovich, I really haven't understood several of his calls over the past couple of weeks. I get that he's had to put up with a lot of shit in his time in Toronto, but this is the first time in his tenure that I've really felt frustrated about his coaching. The sequence in the third quarter with the team taking penalty after penalty, I realize that he's not on the field physically doing the stuff that leads to the flag, but a lack of discipline has been a hallmark of his administration. But, part of that might fall on having too many 1st year players on the team year-after-year. But, even that's a vicious cycle because this team has way too much turnover in the secondary and when you keep having to bring in new guys the same patterns emerge.

[PullTogether73]

R
Just another terrible performance by this team and the coaching staff.
Coaching....Why is Ray playing in the 2nd half.....he can hardly throw the ball and when he does it's a 5 yard pass.
Offensive line......offensive
Defensive line.......offensive
Kicking team........offensive
Specialty teams.....offensive
Discipline......unbelievable.....how long will they continue to take unnecessary penalties
If they keep playing like this they will be lucky to get 5000 fans for their playoff game.

????
Special team blocked a punt and returned it for a touchdown, and also blocked a field goal.
One of the best performances I've seen from an Argos special team.

Also, defensive line stuffed the league's leading rusher all night.

[Double Dare]

It seemed like BOTH teams didn't actually want to win this game.

Milanovich sucked as usual. Laughing with the ref on the sidelines while Brandon Isaac was doing his job for him.

[Argo57]

This year is turning out to be mirror of Grey Cup 2012 Argos. 2015 started hot & collapsed in time for playoff stretch run. Although no difference when it comes to Argos penalties. Four years and we haven't got the discipline instilled?

In 2012 you had the feeling they were capable of putting it together to make a run at it, personally this season I don't think it is even a remote possibility.

[Argo]

Milanovich --> Mehlanovich

[gilthethrill]

If you install a pass first offence & are unable to protect the qb, it really does not matter who is at the helm. For the second game in a row the best Argo blocker was Brandon Whittaker. How does Marcus Brady stick with the game plan when protection breaks down constantly?

LB Brandon Isaac showed that he is a real pro & why it is important to have CFL veterans on your team. Despite not getting any pressure on Jennings, I thought the Argo D line was great in stuffing Harris over & over again. Despite an up & down year, I thought Creehan put together a solid game plan.

Special teams gave BC a short field all night long due to poor punting. I thought I heard on the Argo post game show he (Jake Rogers, not to be confused with Ted) did not even punt in the NCAA, so why is being asked to do that now? Delbert Alverado was tweeting this past week as to why he is not being given an opportunity in the CFL. I along with others on the forum have been wondering the same thing.

Extremely disappointed the Argos most likely will not be hosting the ESF this year. I doubt Winnipeg, now eliminated & coming off a bye will feel much like playing next Friday night. Should end up with a 10 win season, which is really quite remarkable despite all the warts this team still displays.

[paulwoods13]

I saw no evidence that RR can throw the deep ball, other than the Bates TD which was OK. But in warmups he was firing pretty crisp passes 35 yards. From what I can see our receivers are not getting open anywhere on the field, and of course our o-line is truly awful, so a deep passing game is naught but a theory at this point. The o-line factor may require us to go back to Trevor since he can at least do a bit of running under pressure.

Obviously Rogers is just horrendous, possibly the worst kicker the Argos have employed in my lifetime. People are pissed that we let Pfeffer go, and I get that, but we also had Michael Palardy who had a good game as a punter and kickoff man. I know it was a ratio decision (altho I think there may have been more to it than that -- i.e. a promise to let him go back to the U.S. if offered an NFL tryout) but jeez. Of all the kicks Rogers made last night -- punts, FGs, converts and kickoffs -- maybe three were passable. And many were utterly atrocious.

Not much else to say at this point, except we can still finish second if Ham sweeps Ott and we bat Wpg. Possible, especially if Burris is out. But I wouldn't bet on us beating the Bombers.

[OV Argo]

Did the "Rogers sucks" chant ever get going inside the SkyDump last night? - I was really looking forward to hearing that on TV.

Another very poor outing IMO, and this team has one reg. season game to go to get it together or else they will probably get slaughtered in the East semi.


Kicking game, O-line and D-backfield are real weak spots IMO, along with the same old simpleton offence (2 best plays other than the jump ball TD grab by that new receiver, were the sweeps to Spencer and Coombs for good gains - otherwise, it's the same old dink & dunk, checkdown $h*t, with one simple run play thrown in once in awhile); is Ray's arm really not ready or well under 100% so that he can't throw downfield ? - he did have plenty of time to throw on several plays but had to throw the ball away - i'm not so sure with the factors of clueless play-calling and a porous O-line limiting him in this game?

This coaching staff - particularly on the offensive side of the ball - looks really dumb at times, and it falls on Milanovich; so does the constant lack of discipline and stupid penalties; and the questionable roster moves ... HC & OC are huge issues with this team IMO.

[argolio]

We did a fantastic job on Andrew Harris AND won the turnover battle, but if you can't pressure the opposing QB (we were mediocre at best) and protect your own (we were terrible at best), you're generally screwed in today's football. We may need a major o-line overhaul for 2016 considering their play in recent games.

The Lavelle Hawkins catch was a huge play late in the game. AJ Jefferson cheated just a bit towards Arseneaux, and Jonathan Jennings made a great read and throw. The extra field position from an incomplete pass might have been enough to get us in FG range.

[timlb01]

The two most frustrating things about the game was 1) We cannot find a kicker... my Grandmother is a free agent!!!! What the hell and 2) Rickey cannot or appears cannot through the deep ball. Come on man, this was brutal!!!!! This season maybe a write off.

Man, the kicking game over the past few weeks has shown proved how important this role is and how underrated it is. Surely we should have had a 2 people for the kicking roles giving up another roster position.

[Argo57]

I have been a huge Milanovich supporter since he has arrived in Toronto but his coaching has really slipped this season.
Keep hearing that he has a "brilliant" offensive mind and quite frankly when watching this team I don't see it.
I also believe the "big three" as a unit lack speed, and as OV and other have touched on our O-Line and DB's are not anywhere championship quality.
Here's what I see heading into the playoffs, one and done, if this happens I would expect the new ownership group to make changes.
The question is how deep will they go with these changes, co-ordinators and positional coaches or a complete housecleaning??

[Rocket]

Might be time to let go or reconstruct chad Owens contract next time around this guy has not done much the last couple of years besides the one catch in Ottawa this year other then that he has gone unnoticed. Just think that we would be able to find a bigger receiver with better hands who doesn't drop the ball on the run as much as owens does. Having Andre durie injured has not really helped out either. Always nice to have him in the game where you can count on him to get the yardage needed.
Don't know what to do now with the quarterback situation as Trevor Harris has looked awful last couple of games.

[Argo57]

Might be time to let go or reconstruct chad Owens contract next time around this guy has not done much the last couple of years besides the one catch in Ottawa this year other then that he has gone unnoticed. Just think that we would be able to find a bigger receiver with better hands who doesn't drop the ball on the run as much as owens does. Having Andre durie injured has not really helped out either. Always nice to have him in the game where you can count on him to get the yardage needed.
Don't know what to do now with the quarterback situation as Trevor Harris has looked awful last couple of games.

CFL defences still fear Owens due to his big play ability, TSN flashed a comparison of Owens stats with Ray and Harris starting, he is much more productive with Ray at the helm, simply different QB's see the game slightly differently than others and develop their own chemistry with certain guys, doesn't mean he has lost it
8 other teams would jump at the chance to add Owens talents and passion for the game.

[gilthethrill]

I have been a huge Milanovich supporter since he has arrived in Toronto but his coaching has really slipped this season.
Keep hearing that he has a "brilliant" offensive mind and quite frankly when watching this team I don't see it.
I also believe the "big three" as a unit lack speed, and as OV and other have touched on our O-Line and DB's are not anywhere championship quality.
Here's what I see heading into the playoffs, one and done, if this happens I would expect the new ownership group to make changes.
The question is how deep will they go with these changes, co-ordinators and positional coaches or a complete housecleaning??

Are you aware that both Barker and Milanovich were extended for 3 years earlier this season? That is an endorsement by the new ownership group. I like the idea of continuity at the top.

[Argo57]

Are you aware that both Barker and Milanovich were extended for 3 years earlier this season? That is an endorsement by the new ownership group. I like the idea of continuity at the top.

Yes, earlier this season when they were playing well, contract extensions don't always guarantee they will be kept around especially when the fan base is subjected to the shit performances we have been lately.
I'm not advocating a change however results are what ultimately matters and if the Argonauts lose in the semi final who knows what will happen.
Brady and Creehan should be nervous more than anyone.

[OV Argo]

Are you aware that both Barker and Milanovich were extended for 3 years earlier this season? That is an endorsement by the new ownership group. I like the idea of continuity at the top.


I don't like the idea of continued mediocrity and some horrible roster moves/decisions. But maybe all will be well with the new ownership and new home.

[Blue90]

Might be time to let go or reconstruct chad Owens contract next time around this guy has not done much the last couple of years besides the one catch in Ottawa this year other then that he has gone unnoticed. Just think that we would be able to find a bigger receiver with better hands who doesn't drop the ball on the run as much as owens does. Having Andre durie injured has not really helped out either. Always nice to have him in the game where you can count on him to get the yardage needed.
Don't know what to do now with the quarterback situation as Trevor Harris has looked awful last couple of games.

I agree that Owens has definitely lost a step and really appears to be injury prone. It seems like every time he's hit hard, he ends up on the ground and then limps off the field. I love Owens as a competitor, but he is definitely not the player he was a couple of years ago. I wouldn't mind seeing Diontae Spencer take his spot as a receiver next year.

It appears that maybe Ricky Ray is done also. After one year he doesn't appear to have recovered from his shoulder injury. Yesterday's game was sad. At 36 years old maybe this should be his last season. Injuries seem to have taken a toll on him, similiar to Owens.

[ArgoRavi]

In 2012 you had the feeling they were capable of putting it together to make a run at it, personally this season I don't think it is even a remote possibility.

When the Argos were 7-9 in 2012, I don't recall anyone on this forum believing that they would win the Grey Cup and many didn't believe they would make the playoffs.

[Argo57]

When the Argos were 7-9 in 2012, I don't recall anyone on this forum believing that they would win the Grey Cup and many didn't believe they would make the playoffs.

Fair point Ravi, hindsight is a wonderful thing, however this 2015 Argo team is nowhere close in talent and also coaching when compared to the 2012 team.
No indication that any late season heroics are in store this season.

[gilthethrill]

Yes, earlier this season when they were playing well, contract extensions don't always guarantee they will be kept around especially when the fan base is subjected to the shit performances we have been lately.
I'm not advocating a change however results are what ultimately matters and if the Argonauts lose in the semi final who knows what will happen.
Brady and Creehan should be nervous more than anyone.

I honestly don't recall the Argos playing very well this season, but kept winning regardless.

[Stevoman]

I honestly don't recall the Argos playing very well this season, but kept winning regardless.

I think they have played well in spurts this season. Dominant for a quarter (usually the 3rd or 4th) but never starting well and have yet to see a complete game. Like Ravi has mentioned, they are in the post season and now is the time for them to play some complete games. If so, they could win the Grey Cup.

[ArgoRavi]

I think they have played well in spurts this season. Dominant for a quarter (usually the 3rd or 4th) but never starting well and have yet to see a complete game. Like Ravi has mentioned, they are in the post season and now is the time for them to play some complete games. If so, they could win the Grey Cup.

The 2012 team really didn't come together until the playoffs. Interesting that the Argos finished 9-9 in 2012 while scoring 445 points and yielding 491. This year they are 9-8 after 17 games and have scored 417 points while yielding 488. They were 4-5 at home and 5-4 on the road in 2012. They are 5-4 on the road this year and 4-4 so far at home although that includes 2 "home" losses in Hamilton and "home" wins in Alberta and Ottawa. In other words, this Argos team is not all that dissimilar to the 2012 team. And for anyone who says that the defence on the 2012 team was that much better, remember that they gave up 36, 24, 44, 26, and 40 points over their final five regular season games before really coming together in the playoffs to yield 26, 20 and 22 points (Grey Cup) with the total given up in that Grey Cup game being quite deceiving as it may have been their best defensive performance of the season.

[1argoholic]

This team seems to be fighting harder against each other on the sidelines then against the other team. Second week in a row where guys fought on the sidelines. WTF.

Offensive play calling was just that. Ray still has it, just let the guy toss the ball down field if anyone can get open. We could very well have two more loses to end the season. They don't look good at all right now.

[timlb01]

What I hate the most about our offence since 2012 is that we do not ever have the quarterback roll out of the pocket as part of the play. Roll out, design plays that have the quarterback moving... probably suits Harris better than Ray but holy cow... did you see Mike Riley last night...

Who is going to Ottawa or Hamilton for the Semi Final???

[R.J]

Are you aware that both Barker and Milanovich were extended for 3 years earlier this season? That is an endorsement by the new ownership group. I like the idea of continuity at the top.
I also like continuity at the top, but only when it's the right people. Keep Barker, dump Milanovich IMO.

Yes, earlier this season when they were playing well, contract extensions don't always guarantee they will be kept around especially when the fan base is subjected to the shit performances we have been lately.
I'm not advocating a change however results are what ultimately matters and if the Argonauts lose in the semi final who knows what will happen.
Brady and Creehan should be nervous more than anyone.
Brady is just an extension of Milanovich. I could see Creehan staying, if only to keep continuity, but I hoping Creehan is shown the door the second the Argonauts season is over and someone like Benevides or Claybrooks are brought in. Though I don't see Claybrooks going anywhere, he's the heir apparent DC in Calgary.

[paulwoods13]

Benevides would be good as DC, and I am open to Corey Chamblin as well altho I know I'm on an island with that.

IMO there is no way Milanovich gets fired this off-season, nor should he. We are in playoffs for third time in four years under him, despite losing our best QB, one of our best receivers and our kicker for nearly the entire season (plus Greenwood and Gabriel for good chunks of it). And playing five actual home games, four when it actually mattered. If we struggle to compete next year with a more favourable schedule and more consistent home/road travel, it might be a different story. But I see nothing in his CV as Argo head coach that comes close to warranting termination at this point. Three-four weeks ago he was being touted as possible coach of the year.

[R.J]

I am open to Corey Chamblin as well altho I know I'm on an island with that.
I don't understand how you could want Chamblin anywhere near this team, his defense was absolutely horrible, even when he was the DC in Hamilton.

IMO there is no way Milanovich gets fired this off-season, nor should he.
I highly doubt anyone honestly thinks Milanovich is going anywhere, the contract extension made sure of that. Some here want him gone, but wanting him gone and him actually getting fired are two different things.

[Scooter McCray]

Benevides would be good as DC, and I am open to Corey Chamblin as well altho I know I'm on an island with that.

IMO there is no way Milanovich gets fired this off-season, nor should he. We are in playoffs for third time in four years under him, despite losing our best QB, one of our best receivers and our kicker for nearly the entire season (plus Greenwood and Gabriel for good chunks of it). And playing five actual home games, four when it actually mattered. If we struggle to compete next year with a more favourable schedule and more consistent home/road travel, it might be a different story. But I see nothing in his CV as Argo head coach that comes close to warranting termination at this point. Three-four weeks ago he was being touted as possible coach of the year.

If they win a playoff game given what has happened this year he should be coach of the year. It is the worst schedule any pro team in any sport has ever had all time. Assuming they beat Winnipeg they will have a 10-8 record while having played only 5 home games. Unheard of.

[paulwoods13]

I don't understand how you could want Chamblin anywhere near this team, his defense was absolutely horrible, even when he was the DC in Hamilton.

Just a gut feeling that I think he could be an excellent DC. His team did win a Grey Cup and I doubt he left the DC completely alone. In any event, I fully understand I may be one of the few people in Cda open to the idea of him coming in here.

[Antwon]

Just a gut feeling that I think he could be an excellent DC. His team did win a Grey Cup and I doubt he left the DC completely alone. In any event, I fully understand I may be one of the few people in Cda open to the idea of him coming in here.

Benevides in a heartbeat would be an upgrade. Always ran strong defenses in BC.