What did Tori Gurley do on the bench? [Archive]

Scooter McCray

10-26-2015, 02:37 PM

Seriously, what did he do? Couldn't tell by watching on TV, and there were no fans on that side of the stadium. Scott Milanovich stated this was his third strike. I knew Vidal Hazelton was into the antics on the field, but Gurley has been fine on the field. His issues have been on the bench. But what has he been doing? It must be pretty bad to get a benching. I cut the Argos a ton of slack this season with what they have had to deal with, but I was hoping all of this adversity would bring the team together not pull them apart as the defense got into it on the sidelines too.

Will

10-26-2015, 02:59 PM

Scooter McCray

10-26-2015, 03:11 PM

During the game in Montreal on Thanksgiving Monday it had been reported that Gurley had been getting into it verbally with Marcus Brady presumably over the play-calling. I guess something similar occurred on Friday night?

Sugarbush!! I didn't think any of the Argos had any jump on Friday other than Whitaker and Gillanders. Gurley obviously misdirected his energy to his coaches rather than to his opposition. Same thing with the DBs getting into it on the bench.

Something tells me this could be the turning point of the Argo season now that they are home for good and not on the road anymore. Let's face it that was not the Argo team Friday. If they had to keep playing in Hamilton, than I say the season is over. But I think they will grasp this moment and realize they can achieve what no other team in history has. Win despite insurmountable odds all season long.

R.J

10-26-2015, 08:00 PM

During the game in Montreal on Thanksgiving Monday it had been reported that Gurley had been getting into it verbally with Marcus Brady presumably over the play-calling. I guess something similar occurred on Friday night?
Rumour is that it was over play calling, though it should be noted that it wasn't the first or only time that happened. Other players have also had heated "discussions" with Brady as well, I recall both Coombs and Harris getting upset with the OC.

timlb01

10-27-2015, 10:29 AM

Lets face it, Gurley, Elliott and Hazelton are all very talented but they all have an edge to them. I hate how after every catch they spin the ball on the turf. They are cockey and a not so good way. I applaud Jim Barker finding the talent that we lacked the past couple of seasons. I also applaud Milanovich for sitting them down when required. He is doing the right thing but these 2 or 3 players will need to be evaluated in the off season. This is the game and the week to know where we stand as a team. Do we have what it takes? Will we host a playoff game? Should I buy my Grey Cup tickets and make the trip?? The coach is doing the right thing, and we can always second guess the calls that are made on offense. If it was easy we would win every week!

AngeloV

10-27-2015, 11:21 AM

Lets face it, Gurley, Elliott and Hazelton are all very talented but they all have an edge to them. I hate how after every catch they spin the ball on the turf. They are cockey and a not so good way.

I have never had a problem with guys spinning the ball after a catch. How is that different than when a player gets up and makes an emphatical "first down" gesture? Personally, I hate seeing leagues trying to discourage it. As long as you don't get into an opponents face, it should be good to go. It's what sports have become, and doesn't bother me in the least...as long as it's my team doing the celebrating..LOL.

timlb01

10-27-2015, 11:32 AM

I have never had a problem with guys spinning the ball after a catch. How is that different than when a player gets up and makes an emphatical "first down" gesture? Personally, I hate seeing leagues trying to discourage it. As long as you don't get into an opponents face, it should be good to go. It's what sports have become, and doesn't bother me in the least...as long as it's my team doing the celebrating..LOL.

It is always better when it is our team! I just don't like how it is done after every catch. Just like doing the 1st down sign... it is fine but not every 1st down. These guys need to calm down a bit. Too cockey for my liking. Don't get me wrong I love the emotion and intensity showing but not this type of stuff after every catch.

You are right I do not want things to turn into the No Fun League.

PullTogether73

10-27-2015, 01:08 PM

Bleeds Double Blue

10-27-2015, 01:16 PM

I'm with you on this one timlb01. I'm old school and a firm believer in the axiom of acting as if you've been there before. I say give the ball to the ref and get in the huddle. Leave the theatrics to Hollywood. By the way, Bleeds Double Blue (me) will be making the trip this week to take in the game. Multiple ball spinnings and emphatic first down gestures by the home team will be overlooked in this instance. :)

AngeloV

10-27-2015, 01:38 PM

I can't remember which receiver it was, but last week against Montreal he caught a pass for a gain of 4 yards on 2nd and 5.
That receiver should have the ball spun in his face for running such a stupidly short route.

Are you saying the receiver spun the ball despite the fact he was short? That is stupid.

As for running the route too short, it's not always on the receiver. Sometimes (I would say ususally) the throw brings the receiver back to the spot where he catches the ball, and it's usually caused by good defence pushing the route back.

ArgoGabe22

10-27-2015, 01:57 PM

1argoholic

10-27-2015, 02:27 PM

Everything has to be a You tube clip moment or whatever the latest and greatest site is. Also in hockey when every goal is like the game winning Stanley Cup goal. Do they really need to fist pump the whole friggin bench? I guess these guys haven't crashed down to earth in their young lives yet. A four yard catch is massive in their lives.

AngeloV

10-27-2015, 02:29 PM

I also hate it when players celebrate making a tackle but at the same time the other team makes a first down. I saw Eric Fraser hit a Bombers receiver after he made a 15 yard catch. If your hit caused him to drop the ball then maybe.

I remember that. Of note is the fact that the Bombers came back to win that game, and that actually may have been a bit of a turning point. Eric Fraser is a brutal safety anyways. Couldn't cover his own shadow.

gilthethrill

10-27-2015, 02:41 PM

ArgoRavi

10-27-2015, 04:00 PM

I also hate it when players celebrate making a tackle but at the same time the other team makes a first down. I saw Eric Fraser hit a Bombers receiver after he made a 15 yard catch. If your hit caused him to drop the ball then maybe.

This is my biggest pet peeve. Don't celebrate anything if you have allowed the other team to get a first down.

paulwoods13

10-27-2015, 04:59 PM

I was reading a story in Sports Illustrated about how some NFL teams track a stat they call "defeats." Basically when your defence prevents the offence from doing what it needed to do, such as gain a first down on third down. Celebrations on defence should be limited to defeats, IMO. Celebrations on offence should be limited to TDs or gains of more than 30 yards. Not every friggin' first down.

ArgoGabe22

10-27-2015, 05:15 PM

In addition to Hazelton and now Gurley being benched due to behavioral issues, the ever reliable ArgoGabe mentioned that in Montreal this year, Elliott was on the bench mocking the Als offence by waving goodbye. I gather it was before Montreal almost came back to win.

This is true as I was behind the bench. Was waving to the Als offence taking the field and then directed it towards the fans. I have seen him do it towards the away fans before on TV. Behaviour like this bugs me as we all know what happened in the re-match with the Als.

AngeloV

10-27-2015, 07:20 PM

This is true as I was behind the bench. Was waving to the Als offence taking the field and then directed it towards the fans. I have seen him do it towards the away fans before on TV. Behaviour like this bugs me as we all know what happened in the re-match with the Als.

You really have to take this with a grain of salt. Who knows what kind of banter goes on during the game between some fans and players. They could be waving bye bye to a particular fan that is just being downright obnoxious all game. Trust me, I know. I used to sit behind the visitors bench at CNE in '87 when I was 19, and (shockingly?) I was obnoxious as hell to some players, and we quite often had fun banter like that going back and forth. When he was a BC Lion, I used to really go at it with Jan Carinci. That was some pretty fun stuff.

I mean, are people not allowed to have fun? This is all a whole lot to do with nothing.

R.J

10-27-2015, 08:41 PM

I mean, are people not allowed to have fun? This is all a whole lot to do with nothing.
I take it that you're new to the politically correct world of today ?
Where everyone likes to complain, everything gets taken out of context and good old school fun isn't allowed.

PullTogether73

10-27-2015, 09:00 PM

I take it that you're new to the politically correct world of today ?
Where everyone likes to complain, everything gets taken out of context and good old school fun isn't allowed.

If "fun" is abusing people, then I wonder what was being taught in those "old schools", but it is out of date.

AngeloV

10-27-2015, 09:45 PM

If "fun" is abusing people, then I wonder what was being taught in those "old schools", but it is out of date.

Who was abused?

R.J

10-27-2015, 10:34 PM

Who was abused?
I guess that is what bantering with players from another team is called nowadays.

AngeloV

10-27-2015, 10:45 PM

I guess that is what bantering with players from another team is called nowadays.

Ah..well don't I feel stupid now.

PullTogether73

10-28-2015, 10:36 AM

You really have to take this with a grain of salt. Who knows what kind of banter goes on during the game between some fans and players. They could be waving bye bye to a particular fan that is just being downright obnoxious all game. Trust me, I know. I used to sit behind the visitors bench at CNE in '87 when I was 19, and (shockingly?) I was obnoxious as hell to some players, and we quite often had fun banter like that going back and forth. When he was a BC Lion, I used to really go at it with Jan Carinci. That was some pretty fun stuff.

I mean, are people not allowed to have fun? This is all a whole lot to do with nothing.

Perhaps I misunderstood the comment about being obnoxious to players during a game.
The discussion is about why a player may be seen as being hostile or "showboating" to the other team and/or its fans.
The comment above offered the explanation that the player may have had to put up with some fan being obnoxious to them during the game, and was reacting to it.

Did I read this incorrectly?

AngeloV

10-28-2015, 11:45 AM

Perhaps I misunderstood the comment about being obnoxious to players during a game.
The discussion is about why a player may be seen as being hostile or "showboating" to the other team and/or its fans.
The comment above offered the explanation that the player may have had to put up with some fan being obnoxious to them during the game, and was reacting to it.

Did I read this incorrectly?

You read it correctly, but admittedly I was just speculating. I have not only done it in the past (along time ago) but I also still see it. I was sitting behind the Argos bench on Aug 3 in Hamilton, and some fans were just meciless with their insults. How can you really blame a player for waving bye-bye to some fans after a road win if this happens during the game?

I really think that some are taking these actions way to personally.

ArgoGabe22

10-28-2015, 12:52 PM

How can you really blame a player for waving bye-bye to some fans after a road win if this happens during the game?

I really think that some are taking these actions way to personally.

Really my original point from the Thanksgiving game thread was that it would look really foolish for Elliot if the Als did in fact come back and score and then winning in OT. The Als fans behind the bench were all fine and even chanted "STALA" in good fun.

I have no problem with guys having fun, as long as they don't look stupid in the process. The Stampeders in the mid to late 2000s had great choreographed celebrations but at the same time you can't dismiss guys like Joffrey Reynolds who never celebrated and just gave the ball directly to the referee.

AngeloV

10-28-2015, 01:47 PM

The Stampeders in the mid to late 2000s had great choreographed celebrations but at the same time you can't dismiss guys like Joffrey Reynolds who never celebrated and just gave the ball directly to the referee.

Except in the end, it was Reynolds that had the questionable off field issues.

My point being that I don't care too much what a guy does on the field, as long as it is not costing the team on the field.

PullTogether73

10-28-2015, 02:26 PM

My point being that I don't care too much what a guy does on the field, as long as it is not costing the team on the field.

True enough.

And after having gone to several games in Hamilton over the past few years, including the last two Argo "home" games, I can understand why players would want to stick it to the fans.

I won't be going back to the Hammer for any more games btw. The atmosphere created by the fans ruins the game imo. I don't mean that as a visiting team's fan - I wouldn't enjoy it if I was a Tiger-cats fan either.

ArgoGabe22

10-28-2015, 04:18 PM

This from an anonymous CFL source written in the Sun.

Toronto was getting the crap kicked out them last week. I think it was 28-3 or something like that, and (Kevin) Elliott spins the ball after making a first down. That tells me he's a selfish player

And

There's not much the Argos can do about all the bad behaviour. It's tough to fix in Week 17, but the bed has been made and all you can do is bench or release guys IF it's that bad

AngeloV

10-28-2015, 04:45 PM

And I had an annonymous source tell me differently. In other words, might be true, might not be.

paulwoods13

10-28-2015, 05:37 PM

True enough.

And after having gone to several games in Hamilton over the past few years, including the last two Argo "home" games, I can understand why players would want to stick it to the fans.

I won't be going back to the Hammer for any more games btw. The atmosphere created by the fans ruins the game imo. I don't mean that as a visiting team's fan - I wouldn't enjoy it if I was a Tiger-cats fan either.

I felt that way for years, and boycotted IWS for the better part of a decade because of the abuse. But I haven't experienced anything really bad the past four times I saw the Argos play the Cats, last game at IWS and first three games at THF. There are idiots at every Argo-Ticat game, especially LDay, but I feel they are in a dwindling minority and not at all like the obnoxious idiots who used to populate the uncomfortable benches in Box G and H at IWS.