Throughts on ISIS?

[1argoholic]

Wonder what others think. My views are that it's time to start teaching kids in school about them and how they use the internet. Why can't someone pull their BS video's? This threat isn't going anytime soon so I would think that hitting the ground instead of just airstrikes needs to be done. Airstrikes wipe out more then just ISIS members also ISIS uses kids who are basically forced into this way of life. Airstrikes wipe them out. Kids who know nothing but are basically taken into this cult like organization and used and abused. Man this world is a screwed place.

[argonaut11xx]

Wonder what others think. My views are that it's time to start teaching kids in school about them and how they use the internet. Why can't someone pull their BS video's? This threat isn't going anytime soon so I would think that hitting the ground instead of just airstrikes needs to be done. Airstrikes wipe out more then just ISIS members also ISIS uses kids who are basically forced into this way of life. Airstrikes wipe them out. Kids who know nothing but are basically taken into this cult like organization and used and abused. Man this world is a screwed place.

I think they (radical islam) are the worst of the worst.

Nazi/Stalin/PotPal/Ide Imin/ these guys were terrible at best, but they at least had the GUTS to wear a uniform, and be obvious in their tyranny/beliefs.
This new threat to freedom , IMO are just GUTLESS punks and internet idiots.

If you honestly believe in a cause, then stand up, talk out loud, and wear the colours.

If you want a WAR, or jihad, then at least have the GUTS to wear the colours of your team.

[AngeloV]

Nazi/Stalin/PotPal/Ide Imin/ these guys were terrible at best, but they at least had the GUTS to wear a uniform, and be obvious in their tyranny/beliefs.
This new threat to freedom , IMO are just GUTLESS punks and internet idiots.

If you want a WAR, or jihad, then at least have the GUTS to wear the colours of your team.

ISIS worse than the NAZI's? I think you may have a difficult time getting people to agree with you on that. Remember, NAZIS tried to take over the world completely unprovoked. ISIS believes (note: I am not saying they are right) that they are just retaliating for what has been done to them.

[argonaut11xx]

ISIS worse than the NAZI's? I think you may have a difficult time getting people to agree with you on that. Remember, NAZIS tried to take over the world completely unprovoked. ISIS believes (note: I am not saying they are right) that they are just retaliating for what has been done to them.

Angelo my point had nothing to do with a ranking of the bastards i meantioned, but at least the one's i listed above had the guts to put on a uniform and stand up for their beliefs no matter how offside.

Radical Islam are gutless terrorists, they are to cowardly to wear a uniform.

[AngeloV]

Angelo my point had nothing to do with a ranking of the bastards i meantioned, but at least the one's i listed above had the guts to put on a uniform and stand up for their beliefs no matter how offside.

Radical Islam are gutless terrorists, they are to cowardly to wear a uniform.

That's one way of looking at it. Another is to look at those that do wear uniforms that terrorize and rape civilians as being the true cowards, because in the eyes of many, they can do know wrong and take advantage of that.

Point being, what is going on with these suicide attacks, is disgusting. But none of us know what some of these people have been put through to make them think the way they do. I'm sure they didn't just wake up one day and say I hate the free world and they are going to pay for that.

[argonaut11xx]

That's one way of looking at it. Another is to look at those that do wear uniforms that terrorize and rape civilians as being the true cowards, because in the eyes of many, they can do know wrong and take advantage of that.

Point being, what is going on with these suicide attacks, is disgusting. But none of us know what some of these people have been put through to make them think the way they do. I'm sure they didn't just wake up one day and say I hate the free world and they are going to pay for that.

Its a frustrating situation when you know that the radical muslim who killed Nathan Cirillo attended a mosque in Burnaby BC,kinda next door to where i live now. If he wore a uniform of radical islam, the mosque i trust would not have let him in. Fighting a war against ghosts is unwinnable.

And i think we are both on the same side of this discussion.

[Double Dare]

It's the right call for Canada to withdraw our (6) planes. They were only bombing during 1/3 of their missions. A lot of times they flew without firing. You can't win this "war" this way. How many years has this same strategy been deployed? You have to fight fire with fire. This is guerilla warfare, terrorist warfare, and it must be fought as such.

[ArgoGabe22]

Target their oil which Russia finally did is a start IMO.

[Double Dare]

Target their oil which Russia finally did is a start IMO. The U.S. would never do that ... they want the oil.

[argonaut11xx]

Target their oil which Russia finally did is a start IMO.

That is the exact proper strategy, if you take away the wealth, watch them fall. I believe that is also the strategy of the French Aircraft carrier which is heading to the region now for planned attacks.

[Wobbler]

Target their oil which Russia finally did is a start IMO.
The coalition has been targeting ISIS-operated refineries all along. The only new thing the Russians have done, as I understand, is to target trucks believed to be used for transporting oil.

[1argoholic]

I still believe who have to carpet bomb anywhere that they have training camps, hideouts etc but you still at some point need your troups on the ground. After watching a CNN special last week on how ISIS formed and it's roots the US is a huge reason for them. They originally were pissed at the US and Bush. Then when the US finally kicked Suddam Hussein and his military around and the jailed military bastards got free they joined the battle with upstart ISIS. One easy solution to save people and to stop the internet bs posted by ISIS is unplug The World Wide Friggin Web. What's more important humanity or writting bs on forums?

[Wobbler]

Uh... yeah. Let's crash the world economy. That'll help!

[KCargosfan]

The U.S. would never do that ... they want the oil.

For what? We have plenty of oil as is coming from the Dakotas, Montana and Texas. The price of oil isn't crashing because oil is in short supply, reserves are at their highest.

[jerrym]

Wonder what others think. My views are that it's time to start teaching kids in school about them and how they use the internet. Why can't someone pull their BS video's? This threat isn't going anytime soon so I would think that hitting the ground instead of just airstrikes needs to be done. Airstrikes wipe out more then just ISIS members also ISIS uses kids who are basically forced into this way of life. Airstrikes wipe them out. Kids who know nothing but are basically taken into this cult like organization and used and abused. Man this world is a screwed place.

I agree that ISIS is not going away anytime soon. I suspect this will take at least one generation. One news report said they are losing 1,000 fighters a month in battle, but recruiting 2,000. In Mosul, a city of more than 1,000,000 in their "Caliphate", they are already teaching kids their ideology and how to use weapons as soon as they can walk. To defeat ISIS one must take back their territory so they cannot continue recruiting children and educating our young people about their recruitment tricks.
We also have to start dealing with the countries that covertly support terrorism, including our alleged "allies", who have been promoting religious jihad for decades.



Saudi Arabia is said to be the world's largest source of funds and promoter of Salafist jihadism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafist_jihadism),[97] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#cite_note-97) which forms the ideological basis of terrorist groups such as al-Qaeda (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda), Taliban (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban), ISIS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_in_Iraq_and_the_Levant) and others. Donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide, according to Hillary Clinton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton).[98] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#cite_note-Guardian-WikiLeaks-98) According to a secret December 2009 paper signed by the US secretary of state, "Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qaida (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda), the Taliban (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban), LeT (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lashkar-e-Taiba) and other terrorist groups."[99] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#cite_note-99)
The violence in Afghanistan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan) and Pakistan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan) is partly bankrolled by wealthy, conservative donors across the Arabian Sea whose governments do little to stop them.[98] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#cite_note-Guardian-WikiLeaks-98) Three other Arab countries which are listed as sources of militant money are Qatar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar), Kuwait (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuwait), and the United Arab Emirates (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Emirates), all neighbors of Saudi Arabia. Taliban and their militant partners the Haqqani network (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haqqani_network) earn "significant funds" through UAE (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Emirates)-based businesses. Kuwait is described as a "source of funds and a key transit point" for al-Qaida (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaida) and other militant groups.[98] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#cite_note-Guardian-WikiLeaks-98)[100] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#cite_note-100) The Pakistani militant outfit Lashkar-e-Taiba, which carried out the 2008 Mumbai attacks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Mumbai_attacks), used a Saudi-based front company to fund its activities in 2005.[98] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#cite_note-Guardian-WikiLeaks-98)[101] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#cite_note-101) According to studies, most of suicide bombers in Iraq (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq) are Saudis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi).[102] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#cite_note-suicide-bombers-in-iraq-102)[103] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#cite_note-103)[104] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#cite_note-104) 15 of the 19 hijackers of the four airliners who were responsible for 9/11 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks) originated from Saudi Arabia, two from the United Arab Emirates (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Emirates), one from Egypt, and one from Lebanon.[105] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#cite_note-105) Osama bin Laden (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden) was born and educated in Saudi Arabia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism




Pakistan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan) had long been accused by neighbour India (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India), and western nations like the United States,[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_state-sponsored_terrorism#cite_note-US-1)[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_state-sponsored_terrorism#cite_note-2) and the United Kingdom[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_state-sponsored_terrorism#cite_note-3) of its involvement in terrorist activities in India and Afghanistan.[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_state-sponsored_terrorism#cite_note-4)[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_state-sponsored_terrorism#cite_note-5) Pakistan's tribal region along the border of Afghanistan has been claimed to be a "haven for terrorists" by western media and the United States Defense Secretary.[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_state-sponsored_terrorism#cite_note-6)[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_state-sponsored_terrorism#cite_note-7)[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_state-sponsored_terrorism#cite_note-8) According to an analysis published by the Saban Center for Middle East Policy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saban_Center_for_Middle_East_Policy) at Brookings Institution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brookings_Institution) in 2008, Pakistan was, "with the possible exception of Iran, perhaps the world’s most active sponsor of terrorist groups... aiding groups that pose a direct threat to the United States."[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_state-sponsored_terrorism#cite_note-9) Daniel Byman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Byman), an author, also writes that, "Pakistan is probably today's most active sponsor of terrorism".[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_state-sponsored_terrorism#cite_note-byman-10)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_state-sponsored_terrorism