Support the city and reap the rewards... maybe!

[Wobbler]

I think that part of why the Argos haven't "made it" recently is a lack of local identification. No one cares about the Blue Jays or Raptors, but the Leafs are less embarrassing than usual. Could it hurt to support them this Spring?

[Will]

Has to go both ways.

[paulwoods13]

I disagree that no one cares about the Raptors or Jays. No doubt there are a lot of kids who swelled Jays crowds the past two years because it was a party atmosphere in there, but they also have serious fans, and so do the Raptors.

[AngeloV]

I disagree that no one cares about the Raptors or Jays. No doubt there are a lot of kids who swelled Jays crowds the past two years because it was a party atmosphere in there, but they also have serious fans, and so do the Raptors.

I would say Raptors have less serious fans than the Jays. They do have a lot come playoff time, but their TV ratings during the season are still on the brutal side. I find them however to be the #1 bandwagon team in the city.

[Will]

The Argos do tweet whenever another Toronto sports team is starting in the playoffs or starting their season. I don't know if it is consistently reciprocated by the other teams.

[Will]

I did a few polls on Twitter this week about whether CFL or Argo fans support the other Toronto sports teams. It isn't scientific by any stretch, but a few things caught my eye: the dislike for the other Toronto team split on whether it was a summer sport or winter sport. The Raptors actually did much better than I anticipated.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash">#Argos</a> or <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a> fans are you an MLS fan too?</p>&mdash; Argofans.com (@Argofans) <a href="https://twitter.com/Argofans/status/852166193146363904">April 12, 2017</a></blockquote>
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No surprises there!

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash">#Argos</a> fans are you a Leafs fan as well?</p>&mdash; Argofans.com (@Argofans) <a href="https://twitter.com/Argofans/status/852165555545145345">April 12, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash">#Argos</a> fans or <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash">#CFL</a> fans are you also a Jays fan?</p>&mdash; Argofans.com (@Argofans) <a href="https://twitter.com/Argofans/status/852165442269564929">April 12, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[paulwoods13]

IMO the raptors have a very large following among the cord-cutting generation, which ooesn't translate into tv ratings. Older folks tend to ignore basketball but those under 30 follow it, speaking generally of course.

[Will]

IMO the raptors have a very large following among the cord-cutting generation, which ooesn't translate into tv ratings. Older folks tend to ignore basketball but those under 30 follow it, speaking generally of course.

The Raptors have also done an excellent job of marketing themselves since the team started winning.

[Will]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">To: <a href="https://twitter.com/MapleLeafs">@MapleLeafs</a> ; <a href="https://twitter.com/Raptors">@Raptors</a><br>From: <a href="https://twitter.com/TorontoArgos">@TorontoArgos</a> <br>CC: <a href="https://twitter.com/SLemonator">@SLemonator</a><br><br>Subject: GOOD LUCK 👍🏆 <a href="https://t.co/RwM4ck2UAg">pic.twitter.com/RwM4ck2UAg</a></p>&mdash; Toronto Argonauts (@TorontoArgos) <a href="https://twitter.com/TorontoArgos/status/852632189040775168">April 13, 2017</a></blockquote>
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If individual Argo fans choose to support or not support the Raptors, Leafs and Jays then that is their personal choice.

[Neely2005]

We support all the Toronto teams except the leafs but we're only passionate about hockey and the CFL.

[ArgoRavi]

IMO the raptors have a very large following among the cord-cutting generation, which doesn't translate into tv ratings. Older folks tend to ignore basketball but those under 30 follow it, speaking generally of course.

When Chris Zelkovich had his column on Yahoo, he mentioned in one of his final columns something along the lines of how Raptors viewers don't really sit through the entire game and that they watch the highlights on their phones. In other words, they "consume" the product differently than other sports fans do.

[Wobbler]

Why shouldn't Argo management and promoted personnel endorse the Leafs? Let's play together!

[ArgoGabe22]

I didn't see it but supposedly the HNIC intro last night excluded the Argos. I'm guessing they did some sort ode to Toronto's Championship winning teams or something along those lines.

[paulwoods13]

I didn't see it but supposedly the HNIC intro last night excluded the Argos. I'm guessing they did some sort ode to Toronto's Championship winning teams or something along those lines.

It's very inconvenient to the story lines that the silly Argos keep winning championships once or twice a decade.

[Neely2005]

I didn't see it but supposedly the HNIC intro last night excluded the Argos. I'm guessing they did some sort ode to Toronto's Championship winning teams or something along those lines.


If they didn't include the Argonauts it must have been a pretty short video.

[Downtownfan]

That intro was yet another example of the shameful treatment the Argos receive from the media in this city.

[Will]

I didn't see it but supposedly the HNIC intro last night excluded the Argos. I'm guessing they did some sort ode to Toronto's Championship winning teams or something along those lines.

Well if they exclude the Argos and Rock then it's pretty thin on recent footage, but the narrative seems to be that there hasn't been a Toronto champion since 1993.

[Argo57]

Well if they exclude the Argos and Rock then it's pretty thin on recent footage, but the narrative seems to be that there hasn't been a Toronto champion since 1993.

Typical small minded slight.
Don't let the facts get in the way of a good storyline I guess?

[ArgoRavi]

Typical small minded slight.
Don't let the facts get in the way of a good storyline I guess?

It was a Rogers production so why should we be surprised?

[BATKINSON001]

The fact that the media doesn't acknowledge the Argos really bugs me.

How do we force them to acknowledge that the Argos exist outside of bad publicity?

[paulwoods13]

We can't "force" any type of coverage. But the Argos can work their way back into the media's consciousness (Rogers excepted) by filling BMO most of the time and putting an entertaining, competitive product on the field. It's all doable but some of it (the filling-BMO part) will take time.

[Argo57]

It was a Rogers production so why should we be surprised?

Sadly we shouldn't be.

[argos1873]

BTW the HNIC introduction couldn't have been an "ode to Toronto championships" since they included Raptor, and TFC players. None of which have ever won a championship. To justify them, it might have been about Toronto teams that made the playoffs in the last year. Neither the Rock nor the Argos made the playoffs their last season.

[Will]

BTW the HNIC introduction couldn't have been an "ode to Toronto championships" since they included Raptor, and TFC players. None of which have ever won a championship. To justify them, it might have been about Toronto teams that made the playoffs in the last year. Neither the Rock nor the Argos made the playoffs their last season.

Or it was "Come see the other Rogers sports teams in Toronto.​"

[Will]

We can't "force" any type of coverage. But the Argos can work their way back into the media's consciousness (Rogers excepted) by filling BMO most of the time and putting an entertaining, competitive product on the field. It's all doable but some of it (the filling-BMO part) will take time.

This is something that Copeland brought up at the open mic, that while he can't lose sleep over what Rogers says or does not say. But, if the Argos do work themselves back into the public's consciousness somehow won't the media coverage have to change by default.

[Scooter McCray]

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It is this willful ignoring of the Argos as if they are not or ever have been part of this city' sports landscape is the reason why I struggle to support the other teams.

[AngeloV]

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It is this willful ignoring of the Argos as if they are not or ever have been part of this city' sports landscape is the reason why I struggle to support the other teams.

Agreed. Of course the Leafs to me are an exception, because the Argos thrived for many years when it was just them and the Leafs. By default, I hold the previously all American leagues coming to Toronto responsible....especially the baseball team.

Childish? Perhaps, but I don't care.

[Will]

Agreed. Of course the Leafs to me are an exception, because the Argos thrived for many years when it was just them and the Leafs. By default, I hold the previously all American leagues coming to Toronto responsible....especially the baseball team.

Childish? Perhaps, but I don't care.

I would think that the Blue Jays would deserve more hostility on this criteria vs the Raptors.

Being a Jays fan is difficult for me because I acknowledge the hostility of their owner to the CFL and the Argos. So I admittedly have a small corner inside that is happy when they have a bad season because I see it as bad karma for Rogers, but am still happy when they win. Sounds bandwagon I know, but can't make one decision or the other.

[AngeloV]

I would think that the Blue Jays would deserve more hostility on this criteria vs the Raptors.

Being a Jays fan is difficult for me because I acknowledge the hostility of their owner to the CFL and the Argos. So I admittedly have a small corner inside that is happy when they have a bad season because I see it as bad karma for Rogers, but am still happy when they win. Sounds bandwagon I know, but can't make one decision or the other.

I get it. It's probably different for me and some others on here, because we remember when the Leafs were kings of the winter and spring, while the Argos owned the summer and fall.

[Scooter McCray]

I see no reason for this ignorance of the Argos and the CFL other than a concerted attempt to kill the league in favor of the NFL to come here.

[Harpastum]

Our Mayor is a former CFL commissioner - which is a good starting point.
I think with just a little more promotional effort - the average citizen's awareness of the Argos can happen.

[Harpastum]

I see no reason for this ignorance of the Argos and the CFL other than a concerted attempt to kill the league in favor of the NFL to come here.

Come on Scooter... I mean nice thought but let's be realistic.
You will never see someone step up with the kind of money it takes to buy an NFL team - & base it in a city that has shown a lack of suppport for the game.
Rogers tried with the Bills - & our chance to share an NFL team died with their failure.

[Neely2005]

Our Mayor is a former CFL commissioner - which is a good starting point.
I think with just a little more promotional effort - the average citizen's awareness of the Argos can happen.

I don't know how much more promotion they can do compared to what they did last year. Maybe changing their focus from mass media to a more grass roots approach will help.

[Harpastum]

Yes - they did a lot of promotion & I commend their effort last year.
And they need to continue this effort in 2017 - to build on this new foundation of increased awareness.
And I agree with a grass roots approach.
Football has fallen far from where it once was - & many other sports are played by kids these days.
We may never (again) be #1 in this town - but this is a HUGE market.
So we only need to carve out a small segment of sports supporters - & we'll be just fine.

[Shipyard]

IMO the raptors have a very large following among the cord-cutting generation, which ooesn't translate into tv ratings. Older folks tend to ignore basketball but those under 30 follow it, speaking generally of course.

streamers are caught in the TV ratings ... if they are watching the TSN/SN signal with the sound on. Same goes for bars, gym, even walking in bestbuy.

but your right cord cutting generation isn't even watching the games ... just catching the nightly highlights (attention span is tooo short) and chatter on social media.

[Wobbler]

The Argos are a junior partner in the current Toronto sports scene, but we can still benefit from the partnership. Having uniformed players support the Leafs (on camera) seems like an easy/cheap way to demonstrate home town loyalty and representation. Isn't that our strength? I'd be surprised if another "Toronto team" has a higher frequency of Ontario players.

[Scooter McCray]

Come on Scooter... I mean nice thought but let's be realistic.
You will never see someone step up with the kind of money it takes to buy an NFL team - & base it in a city that has shown a lack of suppport for the game.
Rogers tried with the Bills - & our chance to share an NFL team died with their failure.It's still not stopping them from trying. They have more money than brains. Why else are they ignored to such an extent? I can't think of another explanation.

[paulwoods13]

streamers are caught in the TV ratings ... if they are watching the TSN/SN signal with the sound on. Same goes for bars, gym, even walking in bestbuy.

How does that work? Are you saying that the ratings measurement system can pick up any device anywhere that receives the stream, and can know how many people are in the vicinity, provided the sound is on? That seems a bit far-fetched to me.

[Neely2005]

How does that work? Are you saying that the ratings measurement system can pick up any device anywhere that receives the stream, and can know how many people are in the vicinity, provided the sound is on? That seems a bit far-fetched to me.

"capture out-of-home viewing (hotel, vacation home, office, bars and restaurants -- only if the sound is on)"

http://www.tvb.ca/pages/ppm+measurent_htm

[AngeloV]

The Argos are a junior partner in the current Toronto sports scene, but we can still benefit from the partnership. Having uniformed players support the Leafs (on camera) seems like an easy/cheap way to demonstrate home town loyalty and representation. Isn't that our strength? I'd be surprised if another "Toronto team" has a higher frequency of Ontario players.

Best the Argos can do is to somehow get Rogers on board and get some positive commentary from them for a change. Difficult to do though, as I don't see Rogers willing to do it unless they somehow get a piece of the TV deal.

[Will]

I see no reason for this ignorance of the Argos and the CFL other than a concerted attempt to kill the league in favor of the NFL to come here.

Yep, they somehow think that NFL would look favorably on deliberately allowing the existing football team to die.

[ArgoRavi]

Best the Argos can do is to somehow get Rogers on board and get some positive commentary from them for a change. Difficult to do though, as I don't see Rogers willing to do it unless they somehow get a piece of the TV deal.

Agreed. Even if Rogers showed five games in a season as they did back in 2004, it would change the mindset of that organization towards the CFL considerably. Of course, getting five CFL games on Sportsnet is the trick.