Best Argonaut Receiving Corps Since...

[Rich]

It is almost unheard of for three receivers on the same team to get 100 yds, with a fourth at 70 something, in the same game. I think this is an outstanding group of receivers with a great mix of experience and youth, size and speed and savvy. Green, Fuller, Posey, Edwards and Coombs is the best group since maybe 2004 when we had Bruce, Baker, Miles, Soward and Talbot, and today's bunch will still get a lot better if they stay healthy.

[mchesher03]

Oh it’s been a while that’s for sure. I’d estimate about 5 passes that were caught on Sunday (some circus-like catches, some just Ricky putting the ball where the receiver makes the play or it’s incomplete) would have been dropped a year ago. Maybe not even attempted by Ricky.

Edwards, Fuller, Posey, Green – oh my. Wylie didn’t see much of the field on Sunday and he was one of our top receivers a year ago.

[Will]

The first game of the season suggests that the potential is there.

Yes, if this group lives up to it's Week 1 performance it would be the best group since 2005 when Miles, Baker and Bruce all went over 1,000-yards receiving. The Argos have only had four 1,000-yard receivers since then: Bruce (2006, 2008), Owens (2012) and Shaw (2016).

[AngeloV]

Oh it’s been a while that’s for sure. I’d estimate about 5 passes that were caught on Sunday (some circus-like catches, some just Ricky putting the ball where the receiver makes the play or it’s incomplete) would have been dropped a year ago. Maybe not even attempted by Ricky.

Edwards, Fuller, Posey, Green – oh my. Wylie didn’t see much of the field on Sunday and he was one of our top receivers a year ago.


Wylie didn't dress. I think he can be a good one, but to be honest, I'm surprised we wasn't released.

[doubleblue]

I like this group. First time I had much of a look at Edwards. He is quick and seems to have good hands. Green is still a step above, but Fuller and Posey are good receivers as well who know how to get separation. Hopefully those two TD drops are behind them. The only thing I worry about with those tall receivers is the knee injuries like what happened to Green last year or Toliver Sunday. Same thing with Andy Fantuz. They get blind sided low when they're extended and unprotected.

[OV Argo]

Aside from the phenomenal catches by SJ Green (like his old self), I didn't find much to be overly excited about the entire corps (500 passing yards more on Ray's accuracy; 2 glaring TD pass drops); great, soft hands and/or difficult/circus catch ability; YAC ability; blazing speed deep threat ability = things that really impress me about receivers. I like the look of Edwards though and he flashed some excellent receiver talent for the Riders last season.

I didn't get overly excited about the so-called big 3 of a couple of seasons ago either - maybe it's just me / sue me. ;o)

[mchesher03]

Angelo - makes more sense now. Crazy that one of our top 2 from a year ago is on the fringes of the roster now. I'll take it as a testament to the quality of the guys we have now!

[AngeloV]

Angelo - makes more sense now. Crazy that one of our top 2 from a year ago is on the fringes of the roster now. I'll take it as a testament to the quality of the guys we have now!

LOL. Top 2 from a year ago just shows you the problems we had last year.

[Wobbler]

I like Wylie, but I don't see how he could be considered one of our top two guys at any point last year. Nevertheless, we sure look better this year. So far!

[mchesher03]

LOL. Top 2 from a year ago just shows you the problems we had last year.

yeah he's on the 6 game IR. barring injury I don't see any of our current starting receivers losing their spots.

[jerrym]

Oh it’s been a while that’s for sure. I’d estimate about 5 passes that were caught on Sunday (some circus-like catches, some just Ricky putting the ball where the receiver makes the play or it’s incomplete) would have been dropped a year ago.Maybe not even attempted by Ricky.

Edwards, Fuller, Posey, Green – oh my. Wylie didn’t see much of the field on Sunday and he was one of our top receivers a year ago.


SJ Green means spectacular catches. The others looked impressive but I'll wait a bit before anointing them.

[Wobbler]

Looks like tomorrow we'll get a chance to see what Paden can do. Hopefully he'll have some good ideas about beating his old team (and, uh, hopefully Dionte Spencer won't).

[OV Argo]

Looks like tomorrow we'll get a chance to see what Paden can do. Hopefully he'll have some good ideas about beating his old team (and, uh, hopefully Dionte Spencer won't).


Paden was mediocre to sub-CFL-par at best with Ottawa; guess he improved lots, or is at least next import up. ;0)

[Wobbler]

Regardless of your views on the depth chart (I'd play Jones before Paden, but he's injured), starting a guy against his old team makes sense.

[argonaut11xx]

This group isn't even close to,

Greer, Tolbert, Pearson, Carinci, McGhee, Townsend.

but there is some MAGIC brewing....

[Gill The Thrill]

This group isn't even close to,

Greer, Tolbert, Pearson, Carinci, McGhee, Townsend.

but there is some MAGIC brewing....It's 2 games...one against a terrible Ticat team that will have the worst secondary in the CFL this year. Hearing them on 1150 TSN and they still make it seem like the Cats are a true contender. I thank them for the CFL coverage, but they're overestimating the Ticats. They'll be 0-3 after their losses this Sunday and in their home opener next week.

Back to the Argos receivers, Armanti Edwards had a good game last week compared to week 1, but Posey's dropped pass in the end zone as another poster mentioned should've been caught. He also dropped one in the season opener, but not in the end zone. ...Would be nice to see Jimmy Ralph get some playing time in the slot as all he did in the pre-season was catch everything that went his way. I think he deserves a series or two with the offense and not just special teams action.

We're probably in the same age bracket because I remember that '82 and '83 receiving corps. Hard to put in Scott McGee there despite playing well in the latter end of 1982, he was released by Obie after 2 games in 1983....I still remember his stat line of 4 catches for 14 yds in those first 2 games and not agreeing with Obie's decision. In hindsight, the only reason I could see for his release is because they needed a roster spot for John Palazeti who was signed at around the same time, even though McGee was an import. Palazeti was a veteran Canadian blocking back that is credited by Cedric Minter for throwing a game winning block in one of his game winning TD runs in either the East final or in the Grey Cup game that year. Also interesting to note that 3 of your 6 guys mentioned from that era were Canadians in Carinci, Pearson and Townshend.

[Argo57]

It's 2 games...one against a terrible Ticat team that will have the worst secondary in the CFL this year. Hearing them on 1150 TSN and they still make it seem like the Cats are a true contender. I thank them for the CFL coverage, but they're overestimating the Ticats. They'll be 0-3 after their losses this Sunday and in their home opener next week.

Back to the Argos receivers, Armanti Edwards had a good game last week compared to week 1, but Posey's dropped pass in the end zone as another poster mentioned should've been caught. He also dropped one in the season opener, but not in the end zone. ...Would be nice to see Jimmy Ralph get some playing time in the slot as all he did in the pre-season was catch everything that went his way. I think he deserves a series or two with the offense and not just special teams action.

We're probably in the same age bracket because I remember that '82 and '83 receiving corps. Hard to put in Scott McGee there despite playing well in the latter end of 1982, he was released by Obie after 2 games in 1983....I still remember his stat line of 4 catches for 14 yds in those first 2 games and not agreeing with Obie's decision. In hindsight, the only reason I could see for his release is because they needed a roster spot for John Palazeti who was signed at around the same time, even though McGee was an import. Palazeti was a veteran Canadian blocking back that is credited by Cedric Minter for throwing a game winning block in one of his game winning TD runs in either the East final or in the Grey Cup game that year. Also interesting to note that 3 of your 6 guys mentioned from that era were Canadians in Carinci, Pearson and Townshend.

Scott McGhee actually played very well in 1982 but O'Billovich replaced him with Emanual Tolbert just prior to the 82 Grey Cup which was a damn shame in a lot of ways.

[argolio]

Scott McGhee actually played very well in 1982 but O'Billovich replaced him with Emanual Tolbert just prior to the 82 Grey Cup which was a damn shame in a lot of ways.I don't know what was shameful from a football standpoint. Tolbert was the better player.

[ArgoRavi]

I don't know what was shameful from a football standpoint. Tolbert was the better player.

Tolbert also scored a first quarter TD in that Grey Cup game.

[Argo57]

I don't know what was shameful from a football standpoint. Tolbert was the better player.

From a football standpoint nothing, was talking about a guy playing the whole season then getting yanked when it really mattered.

[OV Argo]

This group isn't even close to,

Greer, Tolbert, Pearson, Carinci, McGhee, Townsend.

but there is some MAGIC brewing....


91 GC team receiving corps - DK Smith, Paul Masotti, Rocket Ismail, David Williams and Pinball (hybrid slot/RB but more of a pass catcher than a running back).

If you took all 5 of those guys' best CFL receiving season and added the yards up = one of the best CFL resume groups of all-time, I would bet.

[ArgoRavi]

From a football standpoint nothing, was talking about a guy playing the whole season then getting yanked when it really mattered.

Football, unfortunately, is a cruel game but Obie was known for making those kinds of decisions.

[Argo57]

Football, unfortunately, is a cruel game but Obie was known for making those kinds of decisions.

For sure Ravi, O'B showed no sentiment at all.

[paulwoods13]

Most successful coaches are ruthless at times. The Argos dropped Jeff Boyd and Chris Munford from the lineup late in the 1991 season even thought both guys had made very important contributions to that point.

[ArgoRavi]

For sure Ravi, O'B showed no sentiment at all.

The one move that typified Obie was when Craig Ellis played very well at running back during the first half of the 1986 season. Then Cedric Minter returns from the NFL and Ellis is promptly released (roster size was much, much smaller back in those days) as Obie felt that Minter was an upgrade on Ellis. IIRC, Minter had some injury issues and then the Argos had to turn to William Miller who also played well. By the start of the 1987 season though, Miller was gone and Minter traded to Ottawa for QB Gilbert Renfroe. Obie got some heat from the media during that era about how much he would turn over the roster thus contributing to a lack of player identity among a fanbase that was shrinking.

[Argo57]

The one move that typified Obie was when Craig Ellis played very well at running back during the first half of the 1986 season. Then Cedric Minter returns from the NFL and Ellis is promptly released (roster size was much, much smaller back in those days) as Obie felt that Minter was an upgrade on Ellis. IIRC, Minter had some injury issues and then the Argos had to turn to William Miller who also played well. By the start of the 1987 season though, Miller was gone and Minter traded to Ottawa for QB Gilbert Renfroe. Obie got some heat from the media during that era about how much he would turn over the roster thus contributing to a lack of player identity among a fanbase that was shrinking.

Minter was noticeably bigger and slower when he eventually returned from the Jets.
I also remember MLB Darrell Nicholson being dealt to Calgary and wondering what the hell O'Billovich was thinking but in hindsight he was only trying to do what was best for the Argos.

[jerrym]

This group isn't even close to,

Greer, Tolbert, Pearson, Carinci, McGhee, Townsend.

but there is some MAGIC brewing....


91 GC team receiving corps - DK Smith, Paul Masotti, Rocket Ismail, David Williams and Pinball (hybrid slot/RB but more of a pass catcher than a running back).

If you took all 5 of those guys' best CFL receiving season and added the yards up = one of the best CFL resume groups of all-time, I would bet.

I agree with OV. The current Argo receivers have potential, but aside from Green, they still have a lot to prove.

[doubleblue]

I agree with OV. The current Argo receivers have potential, but aside from Green, they still have a lot to prove.

Posey is alright but I don't think he is that much of an upgrade over the former "big three". Did Paden even get a ball thrown his way tonight?

[Will]

91 GC team receiving corps - DK Smith, Paul Masotti, Rocket Ismail, David Williams and Pinball (hybrid slot/RB but more of a pass catcher than a running back).

If you took all 5 of those guys' best CFL receiving season and added the yards up = one of the best CFL resume groups of all-time, I would bet.

I have to agree with OV that the '91 receiving corps as it was configured is the best in team history.

[AngeloV]

From a football standpoint nothing, was talking about a guy playing the whole season then getting yanked when it really mattered.

Hindsight being 20/20. At the time it was a great move and without it, Argos may not have won the Grey Cup in '83. Geoff Townsend actually played McGhee's spot in '83.

[AngeloV]

Posey is alright but I don't think he is that much of an upgrade over the former "big three". Did Paden even get a ball thrown his way tonight?

He is an upgrade. Attitude alone. Hurley is currently out of football. Elliott must have injured himself spinning the ball on his useless 7 yard crossing route late in the Argos game as he didn't dress for the Ti-Cats. And Hazelton hasn't done much for the Esks in 2 games. A #4 option on their core.

[Argo57]

Hindsight being 20/20. At the time it was a great move and without it, Argos may not have won the Grey Cup in '83. Geoff Townsend actually played McGhee's spot in '83.

I'll agree with that Angelo, ET had a productive stint in TO and Townsend has some speed as well.

[OV Argo]

I have to agree with OV that the '91 receiving corps as it was configured is the best in team history.


Williams and Pinner did little in that 91 GC win though - but getting the ball to all 5 of a great 5 pack every game would not be easy - some guys get covered well in match-ups or the D takes something away or they can be more decoys to open things up for other receivers.

Pure talent wise and CFL best season resume wise - it would be hard to argue with that corps. And they didn't need to have a Terry Greer or Mookie Mitchell amazing single, individual season - I'm going by the 5 on the field.

[Argo]

1983: http://www.justsportsstats.com/footballstatsindex.php?teamstats=CFLTOR&year=1983
1991: http://www.justsportsstats.com/footballstatsindex.php?teamstats=CFLTOR&year=1991

[OV Argo]

Terry Greer is an all-time CFL great receiver IMO and probably greatest Argo talent there ever; but (IMO again) he's the only receiver from the 83 five pack that makes the 91 version. David Williams, Paul Masotti and Rocket Ismail were all quite a bit more talented receivers than any of Tolbert, Pearson & Carinci (though I like all 3 of those guys as well); and as far as receiving backs - Minter was a very good one, but Pinball was just flat out way better - better hands, better YAC ability.

[timlb01]

He is an upgrade. Attitude alone. Hurley is currently out of football. Elliott must have injured himself spinning the ball on his useless 7 yard crossing route late in the Argos game as he didn't dress for the Ti-Cats. And Hazelton hasn't done much for the Esks in 2 games. A #4 option on their core.

That ball spinning drove me nuts. I am glad those guys are gone. Celebrating nothing all the time.

[Argo]

He is an upgrade. Attitude alone. Hurley is currently out of football. Elliott must have injured himself spinning the ball on his useless 7 yard crossing route late in the Argos game as he didn't dress for the Ti-Cats. And Hazelton hasn't done much for the Esks in 2 games. A #4 option on their core.

Well, the Argos' current receiving corps isn't too shabby!

I still think Hazelton is a good receiver who will earn his pay over the course of the season. IIRC, from highlights, he had a nice TD reception in game one.

Those poor, miserable Tabbies... not sure how much of the heavy blame to be shared there that Elliot should assume.

[1971GreyCup]

That ball spinning drove me nuts. I am glad those guys are gone. Celebrating nothing all the time.

Although it might be popular with that ever important 18 - 29 segment!

[AngeloV]

Although it might be popular with that ever important 18 - 29 segment!

Not when you're down by 17, with 3 minutes left on a catch that was short of a first down. That's ass clown material plain and simple.

[Rich]

I still say that ON PAPER, Green, Fuller, Posey, Edwards and Coombs was the best group since 2005.

But last night the receivers were terrible. Three TD drops. Coombs was the only guy to have a good night. Whitaker should be fined for trying to catch the ball overhanded. And what happened to Green on that late 3rd down pass in the end zone? Did he not see the ball coming? Paden looks weak and confused, we need to do better than him, surely Noel is stronger and better at this point.

But here's the thing: The receivers were terrible, Ricky had an off game, and we still got 330 yards through the air. Just wait till these guys really start gelling.

[ArgoRavi]

I still say that ON PAPER, Green, Fuller, Posey, Edwards and Coombs was the best group since 2005.

But last night the receivers were terrible. Three TD drops. Coombs was the only guy to have a good night. Whitaker should be fined for trying to catch the ball overhanded. And what happened to Green on that late 3rd down pass in the end zone? Did he not see the ball coming? Paden looks weak and confused, we need to do better than him, surely Noel is stronger and better at this point.

But here's the thing: The receivers were terrible, Ricky had an off game, and we still got 330 yards through the air. Just wait till these guys really start gelling.

I thought Paden played fairly well other than a mistake running with the ball after one of his catches. I looked at the third down play to Green several times and it looked like he just lost the ball. Ray should have had at least two, if not three, TD passes in this game but the receivers as a whole did have an off night.

[paulwoods13]

As I wrote in another thread, we don't appear to be laden with speed at receiver.