GAME THREAD - Week 6: Argos @ Roughriders

[ArgoGabe22]

Saturday, July 29, 6:30 PM
Mosaic Stadium

[ArgoGabe22]

2nd game in 6 days. Where is the outrage?

[mchesher03]

Second game in 6 days and 3rd in 11 days no?

Who cares, the important question is what the hell is genie bouchard doing at an argos game? Lol

The defence will make this a winnable game I hope. The backups for Laing, Butler and Woods all looked good – hopefully woods can be back on Saturday.

Just need that offence to click, heavy dose of coooooombs mix it some wilder runs and let’s see if they can’t get another road win here.

[gilthethrill]

2nd game in 6 days. Where is the outrage?

I am frowning if that helps at all.

[Antwon]

I want this win so bad!! I'm growing tired of some Sask media who think Glen is the second coming of Flutie and a future HOF. Mix in Jone's arrogance.

[Bleeds Double Blue]

2nd game in 6 days. Where is the outrage? I'm shaking my fist while trying not to spill my coffee.

[Argos1983]

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Figure this is about right....

[doubleblue]

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Figure this is about right....

One of the Good Old Boys. lol

[Joe Barnes]

I, for one, am not upset at the Argos tight schedule but am most perplexed by the slight shadow of the soccer lines still visable during Argos games at BMO...these lines spoil the sanctity of the gridiron! But seriously, I am totally looking forward to Saturday's game in Regina. Our patched up D did the job in the second half versus Ottawa, but the 'Riders will know what players are missing and have time to devise an offense to exploit the players filling in. Let's hope a few days of light practise are enough for the new guys. I think Tuggle can fill in at short notice. Will it be Finley in for Laing and Davis for Butler (going by Ottawa game depth chart) or are the ratio concerns/other options?

[argolio]

Get through the next two games, and the rest of the schedule is about as good as it gets.

[argotom]

Even though it is a short week and teams generally do not do well.
I am encouraged as I read today how coach Marc will not have a traditional practice week and instead involving rest, film the usual meetings and nothing more than a daily walk through.
A revolutionary, probably not the first to think of this.
A win is in store in Regina.

[Neely2005]

2nd game in 6 days. Where is the outrage?

TSN 1150 asked Declan Cross about the 3 games in 11 days this morning and he said that coach Trestman has them ready and they could play tomorrow.

EDIT: Here's the audio:

http://www.tsn.ca/radio/hamilton-1150/cross-first-career-cfl-touchdown-a-special-moment-1.814002

[doubleblue]

TSN 1150 asked Declan Cross about the 3 games in 11 days this morning and he said that coach Trestman has them ready and they could play tomorrow.

EDIT: Here's the audio:

http://www.tsn.ca/radio/hamilton-1150/cross-first-career-cfl-touchdown-a-special-moment-1.814002

That's ok for a part timer like Cross, but will the pass rush be as strong by the 4th quarter. Or will a S.J. Green have the same 0 to 60 on his routes. Has to be a little tough for the guys that are slugging it out on the offensive line play after play. I like the fact that Trestman is just doing walk throughs this week to help save the players legs etc. Everybody should know their assignments by now.

[ArgoGabe22]

That's ok for a part timer like Cross, but will the pass rush be as strong by the 4th quarter. Or will a S.J. Green have the same 0 to 60 on his routes. Has to be a little tough for the guys that are slugging it out on the offensive line play after play. I like the fact that Trestman is just doing walk throughs this week to help save the players legs etc. Everybody should know their assignments by now.

I think you're taking his comment a little too literally. Argos aren't going to make excuses about the schedules.

[Neely2005]

I think you're taking his comment a little too literally. Argos aren't going to make excuses about the schedules.

Yeah that's what I got too. We'll leave that for Ottawa and their fans.

[REAL]

doubleblue - You could have made your point without insulting the player on the team you happen to be rooting for. Fan!!

[Bleeds Double Blue]

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Figure this is about right.... You would be surprised to see how close that is to my driver's licence photo

[Neely2005]

Looks like Bear Woods will play:

http://m.torontosun.com/2017/07/27/argos-woods-not-seeing-stars-so-hes-going-to-play

[Wobbler]

Bear Woods sounds like... kind of a dumbass, honestly.

[Neely2005]

Bear Woods sounds like... kind of a dumbass, honestly.

Yeah he would probably be better served sitting at least this game out.

[gilthethrill]

I hope Trevor Harris gets fined for that helmet to helmet hit on Woods!

[mchesher03]

Re: Bear Woods – I’ll trust the coaches and Doctors on his status, I doubt they’d risk further injury if it was in doubt. Every game is important yes, but, not that important!

That said, a first half like vs. Ottawa just with converting majors would be nice J In all honesty, interested to see how the defence holds up although it sounds like they’re up to the task. Like to see a better game out of Wilder too, think that will happen. I’ll also put in my prediction that Lemon will step up this game too – we shall see.

[Wobbler]

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Pretty much as expected. We only have two healthy DTs right now, so the starters are pretty obvious. I suspect that we'll play more 30-front tomorrow to give them a break.

[gilthethrill]

Glad to see Terrence Plummer back on the roster. Special teams demon. Washington looks to have been displaced by Will Campbell at OT.

[paulwoods13]

Glad to see Terrence Plummer back on the roster. Special teams demon. Washington looks to have been displaced by Will Campbell at OT.

Given our injuries on defence and how well the o-line played last week, I expect Washington will be the INT who gets deactivated. Among the NATs, I guess it's either Herdman or Foster.

[Wobbler]

Or Jones, like last week.

[paulwoods13]

Or Jones, like last week.

Right -- missed him. Rather have Herdman in there to see what he can do on STs anyway.

[AngeloV]

Given our injuries on defence and how well the o-line played last week, I expect Washington will be the INT who gets deactivated. Among the NATs, I guess it's either Herdman or Foster.

I think it might be Matthews that gets deactivated. With this being the middle of 3 in 11, I would sit out a 4th QB over a 8th O-lineman.

[paulwoods13]

Man, I keep forgetting thst we have four QBs on the 46. It will be Mathews and Washington, I expect, and I think all the NATs on the 46 should be able to dress.

[argotom]

Man, I keep forgetting thst we have four QBs on the 46. It will be Mathews and Washington, I expect, and I think all the NATs on the 46 should be able to dress.


No one has ever answered why the teams cannot dress all of the roster instead of what now 44 out of 46?
I realize from the last salary cap increase there was the increase from 42 to 44, again why?

[Wobbler]

Man, I keep forgetting thst we have four QBs on the 46. It will be Mathews and Washington, I expect, and I think all the NATs on the 46 should be able to dress.
I'm too lazy to do the counting, so - no judgment!

[Bleeds Double Blue]

It is Saturday morning as I type this, Game Day, 10 hours or so before kickoff but I'm prepped and ready. My Chad Owens jersey is ready to be put on and there are plenty of cold beverages in the fridge. I've even taken the precautionary step of erecting a plexiglas barrier in front of my flat screen to protect it from the inevitable beer can toss after the Command Center botches another coaches challenge.

[Argo]

I've even taken the precautionary step of erecting a plexiglas barrier in front of my flat screen to protect it from the inevitable beer can toss after the Command Center botches another coaches challenge.

Also useful when tossing induced by exposure to the unsafe level of 1 mRB (milli Rod Black), which happens very soon after the game telecast begins.

[jerrym]

Given we are playing in Riderville and five days after our last game, I give the edge to the Riders.

[jerrym]

Duron Carter with only 16 receptions for 156 yards in five games so far is not performing like the legend he thinks he is.

[jerrym]

Good to see second year Nationals Declan Cross and Llevi Noel continuing to develop as they contribute on the Argo drive for a TD.

[argotom]

End of 1st quarter, Ricky looking very sharp.
The D is solid with the 2 new lineman looking like they have not missed anything.

[Argo57]

Catchable ball Wilder!

[argotom]

Ricky has rolled out of the pocket more in this 1+ quarter than all of last year.
Awesome additional concept to the scheme.

[argotom]

Only possible issue especially as it is hot and humid, is the RB Marshall running inside and getting good first down production.
This will wear out the lineman in the second half.

[Argo57]

Watman beaten cleanly on that sack.

[dmont]

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That was Cory Watman blowing both the pass protection and diving on the loose ball >:(

[jerrym]

Only possible issue especially as it is hot and humid, is the RB Marshall running inside and getting good first down production.
This will wear out the lineman in the second half.

The Riders are taking advantage of both the 40 degree heat by having the Argos bench on the sunny side of the field while they are in the shade, as well as using the ground game to grind down a team playing its second game in five days. It will be interesting to see how much these factors impact the Argos in the second half.

[dmont]

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The right side of that line is going to get Ricky killed tonight >:(

[jerrym]

Hajrullahu has had a lot of short punts in the last game and today.

[Wobbler]

I think we should give Jackson some reps at RB.

(I mean carries - he is already getting some reps)

[argotom]

The Riders are taking advantage of both the 40 degree heat by having the Argos bench on the sunny side of the field while they are in the shade, as well as using the ground game to grind down a team playing its second game in five days. It will be interesting to see how much these factors impact the Argos in the second half.


That's their home team advantage in this fantastic stadium, great planning!

[argotom]

How did SJ catch that TD with two guys all over him, wow.

[jerrym]

Ray is doing a good job of scrambling to avoid sacks, unusual for him.

[jerrym]

Great catch by SJ in double coverage!

[dmont]

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Wilder looking tentative again. What wrong with him this game?

Woohoo touchdown!!! Dangerous ball.

[Argo57]

Hajrullahu has had a lot of short punts in the last game and today.

Crappy kickoff as well.

[argotom]

Carter is a major head case, but that TD catch and we had many this year, could be the best so far.

[Wobbler]

Wow. That was your catch of the year, people. Much respect, Mr. Carter.

[jerrym]

Sears still taking bad penalties on the late QB hit.

[Bleeds Double Blue]

Sears cost us a touchdown with that unnecessary late hit but I guess that's the price we pay to have him. That's his game.

[argotom]

As an aside, we have had very exciting games all year long, with many points scored.
Can't remember such a season at this point.

[Neely2005]

Hajrullahu has had a lot of short punts in the last game and today.

That's for sure. He seems to go long or short, not much in between.

[jerrym]

Hard to believe that Glenn has passed 50,000 yards and is less than 400 yards behind Ron Lancaster.

[OV Argo]

D-line? - ok i know injuries happen and new guys have to step in; but the Argos are playing in 30+ degree heat and they have to go with 2 younger and inexperienced DTs, but - to have nothing behind them - other than a woefully under-sized & inexperienced DE in Walker as the only back-up ??? IMO - this is just inexcusable and on Trestman & Chamblin; and why not help the challenged D-line with plenty of blitzing - Bear Woods is a very good blitzing MLB? Letting a mediocre QB like Glenn have time and he will find some of his good receivers. Surely they could have had another real DT to bring in? - a young import guy from the PR?; and the Argos had signed for TC former CIS all-star / 300 pounder DT Sam Narkaj (and in classic GOB fashion viewed him as an O-line project ???) - my guess is that Narkaj is probably 10x the talent of a Walker as a DT. Maybe things will be fine when Cash or Waud are ready, but they aren't.

This game should be an easy win if it came down to Ricky Ray vs, freakin' Kevin Glenn. To have your D so under-manned with little adjustments is plain sad, IMO. And good thing it is a sharp, accurate vet like Ray at the helm - to find open receivers - cause a lesser QB playing with an often porous O-line (at least they replaced Watman after his matador act got Ray clobbered) and a weak run game (sorry - Wilder is not the answer) = recipe for disaster.

[Neely2005]

Wow. That was your catch of the year, people. Much respect, Mr. Carter.

It was, but 0 respect to that moron.

[dmont]

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I'm worried about the second half.

On the one hand, sask has been lucky. A couple of circus touchdowns that are normally drops. If the law of averages kicks in, those don't happen in the second half.

On the other, our guys are going to get tired, especially the d line where there's not a lot of rotation. Can we put in a same or better performance in the second half?

[argotom]

With Jackson coming close to returning one, the Coach no doubt will have more offensive packages for this mini Pinball.

[argotom]

Bad under throw on that attempted bomb to Fuller, had he lead him it looks like JF had a step.

[jerrym]

Great return by Jackson, who was determined to make up for dropping the punt.

[ArgoGabe22]

Watman gets beat, Deane gets beat. RG needs to improve.

[jerrym]

On the 18 yard Marshall run, the Argos appeared to show signs of tiring as the five days between games and the heat seems to be catching up with them.

[Bleeds Double Blue]

There you go. First beer can off the plexiglas protector with the Command Center doing their usual incompetent job.

[jerrym]

Despite the illegal contact on Carter penalty on review, Owusu-Ansah overall is doing a very good job of coverage.

[Wobbler]

I like first downs as much as the next guy, but are we ever going to let Fajardo throw the ball?

[jerrym]

Great time for Fuller to finally come through with a catch for a TD and the lead!

[jerrym]

With 16 catches in his last 2 games, and five more after three quarters, Coombs is becoming an important part of the offence, compared to previous seasons.

[argotom]

Marshall's inside pounding with 100 yards after 3 quarters could be bad news in the crucial last quarter.

[jerrym]

Carter putting on a show as he can when he puts his mind to it with 2 TDs and 100+ yards.

[larz-7]

oh no

[Neely2005]

Argos are getting frustrated.

[jerrym]

Loss of the ball on the short kick could be critical for the tiring Argo defence.

[argotom]

A short week plus the heat and humidity are taking it's toll.

[Neely2005]

A short week plus the heat and humidity are taking it's toll.

And the AC not working in the Argonauts locker room and the Argonauts bench in the sun.

[dmont]

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Jackson and his friggin backwards running....

[argotom]

Carter can't do anything wrong after that punt return.

[dmont]

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Team is officially out of gas. I'm not optimistic.

[jerrym]

In spite of his TD catch, I think Fuller is the weakest of the Argo International receivers as seen again on his allowing the ball to sail between his hands once more.

[dmont]

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I'm turning on Wilder. Have not liked his runs this game. Looks terrified of contact.

[larz-7]

still hoping for Glenn to toss one to our defence

[jerrym]

Ray has broken 300 yards for the sixth time in six games!

[argotom]

Wilder is much more dangerous running in the inside as downhill as he is not an outside threat.

[larz-7]

we have to score 7 here

[larz-7]

nope

[argotom]

What was Sears thinking on Grant?

[Argo57]

WTF was that Sears, smarten up!!

[Neely2005]

Johnny Sears may have just cost us the game with that unbelievably stupid play!

[jerrym]

Despite the announced crowd of 33,000+, there appears to be quite a few empty seats in the end zone and near the goal lines.

[Bleeds Double Blue]

Johnny Sears is killing me.

[Argo57]

Johnny Sears may have just cost us the game with that unbelievably stupid play!

Neely, I've seen some stupid plays in the past but that one is up there for sure.

[dmont]

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Goodnight, everybody.

[jerrym]

Johnny Sears may have just cost us the game with that unbelievably stupid play!

Yeah, and he also took a late QB hit earlier that cost the Argos points.

[larz-7]

and that boys is game over

[Bleeds Double Blue]

Two bonehead plays by Sears resulted in touchdowns.

[Argo57]

Argos managed to let Kevin Glenn pick them apart.

[larz-7]

well .i got nothing

[Neely2005]

Thanks Sears, you cost us the game with your stupidity.

[jerrym]

Two nice catches by Williams in the final drive to go with an earlier one. He definitely is showing promise.

[argotom]

Marshall with his 100+ rushing yards and with Glenn pitching and 2 Riders receivers catching 100+ yards was the offensive keys.

[Neely2005]

Neely, I've seen some stupid plays in the past but that one is up there for sure.

I've never seen anything like that before. So unbelievably stupid!

[Argo57]

Coombs is an emerging star in the CFL, Wilder is not the answer at RB IMO.
Not impressed by Fuller, doesn't seem to have the ability to make the 50/50 catch.
Pass rush certainly missed Butler and Laing tonight.
Sears stupidity a complete piss off.
Williams is a keeper at WR.

[Shatto]

Until the Argos get a running game, they are not going to challenge the better teams in the league. Wilder is big and strong but not the fast quick type of back required in the CFL. Big improvement needed in this area.

Trestman IMO, made a big mistake not going for the TD on 3rd down from the 5yd line. If they got it they went ahead by 1 point and if they don't they force Sask to drive the field from deep in their end of the field. There were several other big plays by both teams and some crucial Argo mistakes but not going from the 5 was a game changer.

[OV Argo]

I've never seen anything like that before. So unbelievably stupid!


Sears has always been a guy who has flashed talent with some big plays and hard hitting in his CFL career; but he has also taken bad penalties and been beat; and that play was just stupid/inexcusable. Warrants being sit down for a game or two IMO and see if another guy does not F-up like that.

[jerrym]

When Sears was with Winnipeg he was famous for his late QB hits, that often cost the Bombers the chance to stop the other team.

[argotom]

Until the Argos get a running game, they are not going to challenge the better teams in the league. Wilder is big and strong but not the fast quick type of back required in the CFL. Big improvement needed in this area.

Trestman IMO, made a big mistake not going for the TD on 3rd down from the 5yd line. If they got it they went ahead by 1 point and if they don't they force Sask to drive the field from deep in their end of the field. There were several other big plays by both teams and some crucial Argo mistakes but not going from the 5 was a game changer.

I was thinking the same thing, on the road with what 4 minutes left.

[Argo57]

Sears has always been a guy who has flashed talent with some big plays and hard hitting in his CFL career; but he has also taken bad penalties and been beat; and that play was just stupid/inexcusable. Warrants being sit down for a game or two IMO and see if another guy does not F-up like that.

Chamblin should rip him a new one OV.

[jerrym]

Until the Argos get a running game, they are not going to challenge the better teams in the league. Wilder is big and strong but not the fast quick type of back required in the CFL. Big improvement needed in this area.

Trestman IMO, made a big mistake not going for the TD on 3rd down from the 5yd line. If they got it they went ahead by 1 point and if they don't they force Sask to drive the field from deep in their end of the field. There were several other big plays by both teams and some crucial Argo mistakes but not going from the 5 was a game changer.

I agree. Other than his 2 Ottawa games that included one where Ottawa was playing tired in its third game in 11 days, Wilder has averaged 3.0, 2.9, 3.0 and 3.2 yards per carry in each game.

[Neely2005]

Sears has always been a guy who has flashed talent with some big plays and hard hitting in his CFL career; but he has also taken bad penalties and been beat; and that play was just stupid/inexcusable. Warrants being sit down for a game or two IMO and see if another guy does not F-up like that.

Yeah he needs to sit, he totally cost us the game.

[jerrym]

Riders emphasis on running and sitting on the sunny 40 degrees Celsius paid off in wearing the Argos down. Considering the Argos were playing with 4 days rest, they put forth a good effort, but it wasn't enough.

[gilthethrill]

Sears plays on Thursday. Dumb move but our defense is already short handed. He has played well thus far. Ray continues to play great. Concerned what Messam will do against our interior D line. Where was the Kevin Glenn red zone interception????

[ArgoGabe22]

I like first downs as much as the next guy, but are we ever going to let Fajardo throw the ball?

Why would we? Ray has 6 straight of 300+ yards.

[gilthethrill]

Marshall with his 100+ rushing yards and with Glenn pitching and 2 Riders receivers catching 100+ yards was the offensive keys.

However no other Rider RB gained a yard!

[Neely2005]

Why would we? Ray has 6 straight of 300+ yards.

I'm assuming that he means in a short yardage situation.

[ArgoGabe22]

Trouble processing what was going through Sears' head. Suitor (who should just wear a watermelon during the broadcast) thought he was waiting to strip the ball but given the Argos situation (down by 3), that makes little sense since it would've been a 2 and out. Not only did Sears wait for Grant to roll around, once he got up, what a sad attempt at tackling. Mind boggling.

Argos need a run game, but given the line, I'm not sure its possible. Wilder had no where to go.

[Bleeds Double Blue]

The only thing that is going to brighten my mood after that is watching the Tiger-Cats getting their asses kicked.

[ArgoGabe22]

I'm assuming that he means in a short yardage situation.

If so, it's risky. Given Fajardo's success (excluding the one last game), the sneak is almost guaranteed. Almost. Passes not so much.

[Stevoman]

With the parity in the CFL this season, Sears can't risk a play like that in the final 3 minutes of a 3 point game. Wilder was better in the 4th and is probably arguing that he would need more touches to be more effective earlier in the game but with this offence, he has to produce better whenever he gets the ball. Fuller is not reliable enough and has yet to come through in the clutch. Green is solid and while Carter made some spectacular plays, I would rather have Green on our side. I was also happy with the rest of the receiving core. Glenn played well enough but Ray was excellent again and as was Coombs. Overall, the Argos did well considering they were missing 2 key players and playing on a short week in a hot and loud stadium and without A/C in their locker which (no matter what anyone claims) was intentional. Oh well, a good and entertaining game!

[argotom]

With the Cats getting pounded in Calgary, it's another year of a weak East division likely means a 9-9 season will win it.

[Argo57]

With the parity in the CFL this season, Sears can't risk a play like that in the final 3 minutes of a 3 point game. Wilder was better in the 4th and is probably arguing that he would need more touches to be more effective earlier in the game but with this offence, he has to produce better whenever he gets the ball. Fuller is not reliable enough and has yet to come through in the clutch. Green is solid and while Carter made some spectacular plays, I would rather have Green on our side. I was also happy with the rest of the receiving core. Glenn played well enough but Ray was excellent again and as was Coombs. Overall, the Argos did well considering they were missing 2 key players and playing on a short week in a hot and loud stadium and without A/C in their locker which (no matter what anyone claims) was intentional. Oh well, a good and entertaining game!

SJ Green is a great receiver, Duron Carter is a talented receiver as well who also happens to be the biggest asshole in pro football.
Argo receivers are greatly improved but they need to find an upgrade for Fuller who shows little ability for the tough catch.

[Argo57]

On a positive note at least we're not Ticat fans!!!

[Neely2005]

The only thing that is going to brighten my mood after that is watching the Tiger-Cats getting their asses kicked.

Mood brightened!

[gilthethrill]

Calgary could be really tired on Thursday after running wild on Hamilton.

[Neely2005]

On a positive note at least we're not Ticat fans!!!

I'm always happy for that and it has nothing to do with tonight's game.

[Neely2005]

Argos’ Johnny Sears Jr. inexplicable decision costs Toronto chance at win:

http://3downnation.com/2017/07/29/argos-johnny-sears-jr-inexplicable-decision-costs-argos-chance-win/

[jerrym]

Coombs, with 9 receptions for 97 yards plus not going down as soon as he is touched as in previous seasons, just seems to be getting better and better as the season goes on.

[Wobbler]

Why would we? Ray has 6 straight of 300+ yards.
You missed the context Gabe. Why not let Fajardo throw on 2nd and one or 3rd and one?

[ArgoRavi]

Catchable ball Wilder!

This was one of five plays that made the difference in the game. If Wilder makes that catch, the Argos likely drive for at least another FG. Jeff Fuller also had a long pass from Ray go through his hands early the fourth quarter which killed that possession. There was also a roughing the passer call in the 3rd quarter, I believe, which extended a Rider drive that ended in a TD (should have been no more than a FG). Then there was the missed opportunity at a TD late in the 4th quarter and Sears' brain cramp shortly after when he tried to get cute instead of just touching down Bakari Grant. If any of those plays goes differently, the Argos could have been walking out with 2 points.

[Argo57]

This was one of five plays that made the difference in the game. If Wilder makes that catch, the Argos likely drive for at least another FG. Jeff Fuller also had a long pass from Ray go through his hands early the fourth quarter which killed that possession. There was also a roughing the passer call in the 3rd quarter, I believe, which extended a Rider drive that ended in a TD (should have been no more than a FG). Then there was the missed opportunity at a TD late in the 4th quarter and Sears' brain cramp shortly after when he tried to get cute instead of just touching down Bakari Grant. If any of those plays goes differently, the Argos could have been walking out with 2 points.

All good points Ravi and all the more frustrating!

[doubleblue]

Still a good effort on a very hot night and a short staffed defense. We can point to Sears brain cramp and Fuller and Wilder's drops but those things happen and we remember it more in tight ball games. But Saskatchewan were the desperate team here playing at home. Hopefully some of the DLine guys on the 6 game are ready to come off and help out. Namely Cash and Waud for starters. With Messam coming in next Thursday they can't keep going with Wynn and Findley in the middle without a break. Don't think Bear Woods was at his best last night either, maybe he should have sat out another game. Wouldn't hurt to try and dress another Import DB to rotate in once in a while either IMO.

[Neely2005]

This was one of five plays that made the difference in the game. If Wilder makes that catch, the Argos likely drive for at least another FG. Jeff Fuller also had a long pass from Ray go through his hands early the fourth quarter which killed that possession. There was also a roughing the passer call in the 3rd quarter, I believe, which extended a Rider drive that ended in a TD (should have been no more than a FG). Then there was the missed opportunity at a TD late in the 4th quarter and Sears' brain cramp shortly after when he tried to get cute instead of just touching down Bakari Grant. If any of those plays goes differently, the Argos could have been walking out with 2 points.


So frustrating. Plus now we have to keep hearing about how great the West is and how poor the East is.

[Argo]

So frustrating. Plus now we have to keep hearing about how great the West is and how poor the East is.

A game that the Argos could and should have won. Oh well, the team - even with some significant injuries - is competitive and entertaining across the board.

We're in a new era and need no longer expect the team to lose every game it plays in the most insipid fashion possible.

[Jon Gonzo]

A high level game that someone had to lose.

So many great things to talk about.

The CFL; don't take your eyes off it this season!

[ArgoGabe22]

You missed the context Gabe. Why not let Fajardo throw on 2nd and one or 3rd and one?

I still see no problem in just keeping it simple and getting an automatic first down, rather than trying something.

[Will]

Generally speaking, the Argos need to figure out four quarters. Well that is to say they need to figure out for the quarters on short weeks. I believe that all three of their losses so far have come on short weeks and that in all three instances they were competitive up until the 4th quarter.

What is it about this team though that always allows Kevin Glenn to rack up significant yardage against them? It seems that no matter the change of personnel or coaching staff that he saves his best for the Argos. This of course does not include the 100th Grey Cup.

[Argo57]

I can see why Trestman is liked and respected throughout the football community, class act in victory and defeat.
I'm glad he is with our team!!!

https://www.argonauts.ca/2017/07/29/marc-trestman-media-week-6-july-29/

[Wobbler]

I still see no problem in just keeping it simple and getting an automatic first down, rather than trying something.
90% of the time, sure. But I wish we were a bit less predictable.

Anyway, that's not why we lost yesterday, so I'll stop complaining about it.

[Neely2005]

I can see why Trestman is liked and respected throughout the football community, class act in victory and defeat.
I'm glad he is our team!!!

https://www.argonauts.ca/2017/07/29/marc-trestman-media-week-6-july-29/

Yes I'm very happy that we have class acts like Popp, Trestman, Copeland and Moore representing our team. Even more so when I look at Saskatchewan and Hamilton.

[ArgoRavi]

Generally speaking, the Argos need to figure out four quarters. Well that is to say they need to figure out for the quarters on short weeks. I believe that all three of their losses so far have come on short weeks and that in all three instances they were competitive up until the 4th quarter.

What is it about this team though that always allows Kevin Glenn to rack up significant yardage against them? It seems that no matter the change of personnel or coaching staff that he saves his best for the Argos. This of course does not include the 100th Grey Cup.

And who was Kevin Glenn's first ever win as a starter against? Yes, that is right, your Toronto Argonauts back in 2001 in one of the most frustrating Argos games I can ever recall watching.

[mchesher03]

Trouble processing what was going through Sears' head. Suitor (who should just wear a watermelon during the broadcast) thought he was waiting to strip the ball but given the Argos situation (down by 3), that makes little sense since it would've been a 2 and out. Not only did Sears wait for Grant to roll around, once he got up, what a sad attempt at tackling. Mind boggling.

Argos need a run game, but given the line, I'm not sure its possible. Wilder had no where to go.

Glad I’m not the only one who noticed this, I found Suitor’s overt cheerleading for the Riders a turn off and a new annoyance to go along with Rod Black’s persistence in making references to the NFL and Duron Carter being Chris Carter’s son.

[gilthethrill]

And who was Kevin Glenn's first ever win as a starter against? Yes, that is right, your Toronto Argonauts back in 2001 in one of the most frustrating Argos games I can ever recall watching.

Didn't Saskatchewan win like 13-12 at a very empty Sky dome? I seem to recall the Argos shooting themselves in the foot time after time that game. Glenn played like it was his first start, he did play well.

[argolio]

I know Suitor said Sears let Grant get up with the intention of stripping the ball, but that doesn't make sense since the Riders would have been forced into a clear punting situation. After watching the play a few times, it looked to me like their feet bumped into each other right after the catch, causing Grant to go down. That raises the possibility Sears thought the play was over.

[Argo]

Duron Carter is a talented receiver as well who also happens to be the biggest asshole in pro football.

The body of this article indicates that Carter is not, actually, a bad fellow.

http://3downnation.com/2017/07/30/duron-carter-gives-ball-spectacular-td-catch-young-cancer-survivor/

He certainly adds value and superb playmaking ability. I'm thinking that it's too bad that the maturation and reclamation - historically a feature of the Toronto Argonauts - isn't located at 43 40 N, 79 25 W.

[cfl-cis fan]

Good to see second year Nationals Declan Cross and Llevi Noel continuing to develop as they contribute on the Argo drive for a TD.

They continue to be ignored but continue to work hard. Good for them

[Shatto]

Waited till I could comment on the game more dispassionately --my observations:
Positives:
. Ray continues to play at an exceptionally high level and if this continues the team will win more games than they lose.
. Green, Coombs and Edwards are all proving to be reliable high quality receivers. Different strengths but all excellent receivers.
. Williams and Noel are demonstrating good potential. Would probably include Jones in that category, if he was playing. Jones is actually bigger, stronger and faster than the other two but the coaches don't seem to know how to utilize him yet.
. Despite losing 3 of their starting 4 DLmen, the DL played reasonably well, though they had some trouble with the running game
Negatives:
.The running game is non-existent. Team needs a quick running back and Wilder does not meet that need.
. Still too much pressure on Ray--a dangerous running back would help as teams now just pin their ears back and go for the QB.
. Fuller is not playing at the level expected. Williams, Noel and Jones could probably capably replace him and help the ratio as well.

In spite of the negatives. IMO. the team still has the potential to pull an upset over Calgary this Thursday. Here's hoping.

[OV Argo]

Waited till I could comment on the game more dispassionately --my observations:
Positives:
. Ray continues to play at an exceptionally high level and if this continues the team will win more games than they lose.
. Green, Coombs and Edwards are all proving to be reliable high quality receivers. Different strengths but all excellent receivers.
. Williams and Noel are demonstrating good potential. Would probably include Jones in that category, if he was playing. Jones is actually bigger, stronger and faster than the other two but the coaches don't seem to know how to utilize him yet.
. Despite losing 3 of their starting 4 DLmen, the DL played reasonably well, though they had some trouble with the running game
Negatives:
.The running game is non-existent. Team needs a quick running back and Wilder does not meet that need.
. Still too much pressure on Ray--a dangerous running back would help as teams now just pin their ears back and go for the QB.
. Fuller is not playing at the level expected. Williams, Noel and Jones could probably capably replace him and help the ratio as well.

In spite of the negatives. IMO. the team still has the potential to pull an upset over Calgary this Thursday. Here's hoping.


Agree with much of what you said; with a couple of exceptions: Jones is not faster than Noel - if you go by 40 times at the CFL Combine; don't know about Williams' 40 time.

And the D-line was very weak in that loss to the Riders; could not help stop Marshall's running and little pass rush that allowed a mediocre QB in Glenn to throw lots of completions to a good receiving corps. Going with 2 inexperienced DTs with no real back-up was inexcusable IMO; this needs to be corrected by next game or Mitchell & Messam could have a field day.

[Shatto]

Thanks OV, I stand corrected, yes Noel was fractionally faster at the combine -4.621 to 4.690.
At 6'4' and 233lbs that time for Jones was extremely good. I still find it surprising, that the coaches have yet to figure out how to utilize a receiver of his size and speed. Fuller is close at 6' 4'' and 223 but his performance so far, leaves one to question why a National like Jones or Noel are not playing in his place.
The claim was made that Woods had a productive game with a team high 8 tackles but it appeared that he was making those tackle after the RB had already gained 6 to 8 yds. Hopefully in future games he will meet the RB closer to the line of scrimmage and restrict the gains to fewer yds.