Marcus Brady leaving for NFL

[Scooter McCray]

The Argo offence just got better by his departure? Discuss. Justin Dunk is reporting he is going to Indy Colts.

[Flutie]

The Argo offence just got better by his departure? Discuss. Justin Dunk is reporting he is going to Indy Colts.

Just got better? was winning the Grey Cup because of the players or the "O" coach? or both?

Doesn't he have to stay until the end of his contract?....................oh wait that only applies to players, Brady won't have sit out a year before he can be hired.

[Jon Gonzo]

The Argo offence just got better by his departure? Discuss. Justin Dunk is reporting he is going to Indy Colts.

Reported, and story broken by 3DN. Can't be true. Cover your ears. Lah la lala la. Carry on (;

[Jon Gonzo]

In all seriousness, next man up. Tommy Condell is ready to slide in, and Ricky Ray can begin to get a feel for QB/Receiver (probably un-officially). Jim Popp has announced his staff for the new season; still to come, is Marc Trestman. I am way more concerned about Chamblin, but we seem to be seeing some signs that he may indeed be moving on -- as reported by 3DN.

[AngeloV]

This kind of proves the point that both James Wilder and Victor Butler make. Amazing how a coach can be let out of contract to pursue NFL opportunities, yet a player, who has less years to do so, can't. I'm with Wilder 100% on this, and I realize that is an unpopular take among many on here.

[Scooter McCray]

Agreed. I'm more concerned about the DC job. I hope Chamvlin comes back. Marc Trestman calls the plays and it is his offence.

[Will]

This kind of proves the point that both James Wilder and Victor Butler make. Amazing how a coach can be let out of contract to pursue NFL opportunities, yet a player, who has less years to do so, can't. I'm with Wilder 100% on this, and I realize that is an unpopular take among many on here.

The technical answer--no CBA for coaches.

[Scooter McCray]

The technical answer--no CBA for coaches.True. There is no coaches union or CBA but they do have contracts like players.

[Will]

Given the lateness of this announcement, I assume that Condell is the next man up?

[AngeloV]

The technical answer--no CBA for coaches.

That is a CFL cop out IMO. As Scooter said, a contract is a contract. If a player can't be let out of it, neither should a coach.

[gilthethrill]

NFL should respect CFL contracts and not come a callin in the first place.

[R.J]

Not sad to see him go, but more than a bit unfair that Popp allows Brady and Chamblin out of their contracts, yet Butler and Wilder can't get out of theirs.

We have Condell, and Trestman runs the offense anyways, I doubt anyone notices Brady gone.

[Will]

It is silly, of course, he's leaving for greener pastures--which is what Wilder and Butler want to do.

[argos1873]

Yeah lets just forget about the CBA, which is something the players wanted originally, and release players whenever they want. You either have a CBA where contracts are enforced as fairly as possible across the board, or you get rid of it, and its a free for all. A contract is a contract, but the CBA changes how a contract must be enforced. How a team enforces a contract with one player, affects how any team enforces a contract with any other player, BECAUSE of the CBA. There's no such thing with coaches, at least not written and enforceable. It may seem hypocritical but its not something the players as a whole didn't agree to. Things like CBA's are often double edged swords that cut both ways. Some people love it when it cuts one way, but woe is me when it cuts the other way.

[doubleblue]

The Argo offence just got better by his departure? Discuss. Justin Dunk is reporting he is going to Indy Colts.

Wow. Another move out of left field, or is that right field. Good for Marcus. I like others have always got the feeling that he just relayed the message from Scott or Marc and didn't really call the plays in most cases. But he would have been learning all the time.
I expect the Trestman factor had something to do with this move, and they may have also talked to Scott Milanovich. Milo seems to be getting some credit for helping the Jags QB's this past season.
Condell should be ok if he's the replacement. Trestman is the QB guru so they are ok there as well.

[cfl-cis fan]

Not sad to see him go, but more than a bit unfair that Popp allows Brady and Chamblin out of their contracts, yet Butler and Wilder can't get out of theirs.

We have Condell, and Trestman runs the offense anyways, I doubt anyone notices Brady gone.

I think we will all notice Brady is gone if Condell takes over. Condell style on offence while in Hamilton was much different from what the Argos run today. Hope Trestman dictates completely how the O is run for the sake of continuity. Just MO

[Skilz]

I think we will all notice Brady is gone if Condell takes over. Condell style on offence while in Hamilton was much different from what the Argos run today. Hope Trestman dictates completely how the O is run for the sake of continuity. Just MO

Condell is the logical choice to be Brady's replacement. However, I do not believe the concepts will radically change with his promotion.

He has 1st hand knowledge as to what it takes to move the ball and keep Ricky productive.

Heck, Edwards, Green and Coombs might be in line for more touches, if we can't find anyone to run the ball (Malena?)

[AngeloV]

I like others have always got the feeling that he just relayed the message from Scott or Marc and didn't really call the plays in most cases.

I've never understood this line of thinking. There is a hell of a lot more to being an OC than calling plays. He was obviously very good at helping to put together a game plan or he wouldn't have stayed employed.



Reported, and story broken by 3DN. Can't be true. Cover your ears. Lah la lala la. Carry on (;

I especially like the part where Dunk tries to make a connection between Reich and Milanovich as being a reason why the Colts have interest in Brady. Because they both played at Maryland. Reich and Milanovich played 10 years apart in college, and their pro paths have never crossed. That is a huge reach.



New Indy head coach Frank Reich was a quarterback at the University of Maryland, the same school where former Argos bench boss and current Jacksonville Jaguars quarterbacks coach Scott Milanovich played. Brady spent eight seasons, from 2009 to 2016, on coaching staffs with Milanovich, first in Montreal and then Toronto. That’s the Colts connection.

[R.J]

Trestman in Montreal and in his introductary press conference in Toronto made it clear who runs the offense on his teams. I would imagine that Trestman accepts input from his coaching staff, but it's his playbook, game plan, and him calling the plays. If Condell is named OC, I don't think much will change, not to mention that Condell worked under Trestman and his offense last season.

[R.J]

Saw this coming a kilometre away.



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When you see other <a href="https://twitter.com/CFL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CFL</a> players released to go to the <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NFL</a> in middle of contracts, all your <a href="https://twitter.com/TorontoArgos?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TorontoArgos</a> coaches in the <a href="https://twitter.com/CFL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CFL</a> shopping around n taking <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NFL</a> jobs in the middle of contracts but your told you can't go to the <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NFL</a> and have to stay in the <a href="https://twitter.com/CFL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CFL</a> at the league minimum <a href="https://t.co/OdJRTWemGW">pic.twitter.com/OdJRTWemGW</a></p>&mdash; James Wilder Jr (@IAm_Wilder32) <a href="https://twitter.com/IAm_Wilder32/status/966724156535517184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Antwon]

Goes to show you football is a nasty/crazy business.
Orlando Steinauer is coming back to the cats from Fresno State! No way they can be paying him as an assistant HC what he made down there.
Also you think Fresno St might be a little ticked. Amazing turn around last year, and he bolts after one year. OS would have helped in future player recruitment etc with the success they had.
Also assuming Bob Young has promised him the HC position in a year or 2.

[ArgoZ]

Saw this coming a kilometre away

From what I understand and read, Wilder is not interested in negotiating a new contract with the Argos at this time. The Argos claim to not have had any talks with Wilder. So, why must he continue to harp that he has to play for league minumum? I understand his desires, but if he's lying to help promote his cause or get sympathy, it's not going to help anyone.

[ArgoZ]

This kind of proves the point that both James Wilder and Victor Butler make. Amazing how a coach can be let out of contract to pursue NFL opportunities, yet a player, who has less years to do so, can't. I'm with Wilder 100% on this, and I realize that is an unpopular take among many on here.

It's unfair. Players have benefits that coaches don't have, and that's unfair. Union and CBA. When the agreement expires, they can negotiate a new one. The CFL is no different than other businesses. At the company I work, the workforce is unionized, while management and office are not. Workers enjoy minimum rates, 10% vacation pay, $10/hr pension, plus many other added rights and health benefits, while everyone else does not. Is that fair? Management receives profit sharing, bonuses, paid sick days, while Union members do not. Is that fair? That's life here in Canada, one of the best countries in the world. If we're all the same, we would be like North Korea. And just like the CFL, all rules were laid out (Union members get their own book) before anyone joined this company, no one was forced. People are acting like Wilder was held at gunpoint to sign a CFL contract. I remember the day, he was all smiles to come play in Canada, especially since there were zero options elsewhere.

[ArgoRavi]

While I empathize with Wilder, the complaining has gone on long enough. He has to decide whether he wants to have a pro football career or not. If he doesn't want one, he will sit out this season and his career will likely be over. If he wants one, then he needs to either honour his existing contract or negotiate a new deal with the Argos. The constant complaining on Twitter isn't getting him anywhere and the sooner he realizes that, the better.

[ArgoRavi]

It's unfair. Players have benefits that coaches don't have, and that's unfair. Union and CBA. When the agreement expires, they can negotiate a new one. The CFL is no different than other businesses. At the company I work, the workforce is unionized, while management and office are not. Workers enjoy minimum rates, 10% vacation pay, $10/hr pension, plus many other added rights and health benefits, while everyone else does not. Is that fair? Management receives profit sharing, bonuses, paid sick days, while Union members do not. Is that fair? That's life here in Canada, one of the best countries in the world. If were all the same, we would be like North Korea. And just like the CFL, all rules were laid out (Union members get their own book) before anyone joined this company, no one was forced. People are acting like Wilder was held at gunpoint to sign a CFL contract. I remember the day, he was all smiles to come play in Canada, especially since there were zero options elsewhere.

I am grateful to be in a union and you have pretty much summed up how it all works. CFL coaches don't have access to pensions, so one could make an additional argument as to why their contracts are not as binding if they have a better opportunity open up for them. Also, Brady put in 10 years as a coach in this league as opposed to Wilder who has played one season. It is what it is and Wilder has to figure out what he wants to do instead of constantly complaining.

[AngeloV]

It's unfair. Players have benefits that coaches don't have, and that's unfair. Union and CBA. When the agreement expires, they can negotiate a new one. The CFL is no different than other businesses. At the company I work, the workforce is unionized, while management and office are not. Workers enjoy minimum rates, 10% vacation pay, $10/hr pension, plus many other added rights and health benefits, while everyone else does not. Is that fair? Management receives profit sharing, bonuses, paid sick days, while Union members do not. Is that fair? That's life here in Canada, one of the best countries in the world. If we're all the same, we would be like North Korea. And just like the CFL, all rules were laid out (Union members get their own book) before anyone joined this company, no one was forced. People are acting like Wilder was held at gunpoint to sign a CFL contract. I remember the day, he was all smiles to come play in Canada, especially since there were zero options elsewhere.

I think you are making the mistake of comparing an actual union to a players association. And honestly, I don't see any perks the players get that coaches don't. CFL player pensions are next to nothing, and unlike coaches, they can be dismissed and have their contracts torn up.

Again, I may be different here, but I'm with the players on these issues. The social media stuff doesn't bother me. That's just society today.

[ArgoZ]

I think you are making the mistake of comparing an actual union to a players association. And honestly, I don't see any perks the players get that coaches don't. CFL player pensions are next to nothing, and unlike coaches, they can be dismissed and have their contracts torn up.

Again, I may be different here, but I'm with the players on these issues. The social media stuff doesn't bother me. That's just society today.

If an employee association negotiates a legally bound contract with their employer, they are seen by the law as a union. Unions have had bad reputations, so "association" sounds better. I believe associations often had other divisions such as businesses and charities (things unions have nowadays anyway). Unions do have the abilty to strike, something associations generally don't and that's why we get lockouts instead. Quite fitting for the CFL to be honest. The CFLPA is weak (due to internal division) and while they do have perks that coaches don't (minimum wages, pension, insurance, grievances, arbitration, time restrictions), I agree, they are not amazing.

I try to be open and neutral on the Wilder case, because I think he's a great guy. However, I can't shake off the misconceptions presented and realities of the situation. Not everything in life is fair, nor does it have to be. Ravi does bring up a good point and a weakness in Wilder's cause, the complaining has started to become ad nauseum.

[cfl-cis fan]

Condell is the logical choice to be Brady's replacement. However, I do not believe the concepts will radically change with his promotion.

He has 1st hand knowledge as to what it takes to move the ball and keep Ricky productive.

Heck, Edwards, Green and Coombs might be in line for more touches, if we can't find anyone to run the ball (Malena?)

More touches does not equal balanced offence, we must run the ball as well as spread the touches.

[Jon Gonzo]

I especially like the part where Dunk tries to make a connection between Reich and Milanovich as being a reason why the Colts have interest in Brady. Because they both played at Maryland. Reich and Milanovich played 10 years apart in college, and their pro paths have never crossed. That is a huge reach.

Who is to say there is no connection and who is to say it's a reach? From where I sit, it is more a reach that this is what you find from this story. Ultimately and ironically, however, we wouldn't even be able to debate that point without having the initial report in the first place. So, if the story stands the test of time, another good day breaking CFL News for this source.

I didn't see it anywhere else today.

[Argo57]

While I empathize with Wilder, the complaining has gone on long enough. He has to decide whether he wants to have a pro football career or not. If he doesn't want one, he will sit out this season and his career will likely be over. If he wants one, then he needs to either honour his existing contract or negotiate a new deal with the Argos. The constant complaining on Twitter isn't getting him anywhere and the sooner he realizes that, the better.

Totally agree with you Ravi, at this point I’ve basically tuned him out.

[Argo57]

I’ve always considered Brady an offensive assistant instead of an OC so not phased by his departure at all.
Condell being promoted to OC could and should facilitate some new wrinkles in Trestman’s schemes which keeps things from getting too predictable.

[Argo]

Totally agree with you Ravi, at this point I’ve basically tuned him out.

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[Argo]

I’ve always considered Brady an offensive assistant instead of an OC so not phased by his departure at all.
Condell being promoted to OC could and should facilitate some new wrinkles in Trestman’s schemes which keeps things from getting too predictable.

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[Jon Gonzo]

I’ve always considered Brady an offensive assistant instead of an OC so not phased by his departure at all.
Condell being promoted to OC could and should facilitate some new wrinkles in Trestman’s schemes which keeps things from getting too predictable.

Very true. This is probably why no one in Argo-land is really wringing their hands right now. As for Brady, I think he really needed to make this move, to spread his wings. He could return a head coach, much like Orlondo did (in effect) yesterday.

On the other hand, I would really like to see continuity on Defence and I don't see anyone on the current staff, to elevate to DC, that I am personally comfortable with.

The name Tim Burke was mentioned earlier in another post. I have to wonder if a call has been placed, just in case? Trestman and Burke have two Cup wins together.

[jerrym]

I’ve always considered Brady an offensive assistant instead of an OC so not phased by his departure at all.
Condell being promoted to OC could and should facilitate some new wrinkles in Trestman’s schemes which keeps things from getting too predictable.

I have always seen Brady's offence as being too predictable. Even when Wilder started running wild, it seemed to me that it was more his running ability that forced the offence to change, thereby reducing the pressure on Ray, rather than a strategic change. Condell IMO will bring a freshness to the offence.

[R.J]

Strong likelihood Tommy Condell will be Argos OC - Dave Naylor

[Will]

Strong likelihood Tommy Condell will be Argos OC - Dave Naylor

Seamless transition--makes sense.

[jerrym]

The Indianapolis Colts made it official today.



NDIANAPOLIS — The Indianapolis Colts have signed Marcus Brady as assistant quarterbacks coach,


http://www.colts.com/news/article-1/Indianapolis-Colts-Finalize-2018-Coaching-Staff/992300bd-a61d-4ea8-8e2a-8992aa8e7654