Spending cap coming for football operations expenditures

[R.J]

http://3downnation.com/2018/06/05/spending-cap-coming-for-football-operations-expenditures/

Seems as though Dunk as watched the Naylor/Ambrosie clip. It'll be interesting to see what happens during CBA negioations as well; since I'm sure players are aware that Owners are spending considerably more on football ops, and the numbers of coaches in the League has ballooned the last several years. Most CFL teams had a maximum of 8 Coaches in 2007 - now teams average around 12.

[Mightygoose]

It does seem Ambroise is leaving his mark enhancing the business side. Increase revenues and manage expenses so this being aimed at the later.

Curious to see how this is implemented. Will it be a cap for each team and they add as many or few possible under it. Definitely see smaller coaching staffs, though I wonder if there is risk of losing talent to the forthcoming AAF and maybe XFL 2.0.

[R.J]

Done deal
https://www.tsn.ca/cfl-approves-cap-on-football-operations-costs-for-2019-season-1.1104128

The new measures will limit teams to a coaching staff of 11 and other football operations staff to 17. The total compensation for those 28 employees is not to exceed $2.738 million. Player salaries are capped at $5.2 million for the upcoming season.

These measures, passed recently by the league’s board of governors, will go into effect for the 2019 season.
I like it, but Trestman may have a hard time with this. (His staff is always the largest in the CFL).

[Mightygoose]

A cap less than 8 million for all players, coaches and football ops? Might get some more interested investors. Better cost certainty for the Halifax hopefuls.

[1971GreyCup]

Done deal
https://www.tsn.ca/cfl-approves-cap-on-football-operations-costs-for-2019-season-1.1104128

I like it, but Trestman may have a hard time with this. (His staff is always the largest in the CFL).

Actually Chris Jones Riders leads the CFL with 15 coaches vs. 13 coaches in Toronto.

[R.J]

Actually Chris Jones Riders leads the CFL with 15 coaches vs. 13 coaches in Toronto.
True, Riders have 15 and we have 14. And last year Trestman had 16 - the next closest was Jones' staff at 13. So, aside from this upcoming season - Trestman has always had the largest staff.

[R.J]

A cap less than 8 million for all players, coaches and football ops? Might get some more interested investors. Better cost certainty for the Halifax hopefuls.
TBH, I have a feeling this is a CBA play. While it may not disappear right away: within two years would be my guess.

[rdavies]

Coaches and scouts to consider forming union after league decides to cap football expenditures (http://3downnation.com/2018/06/05/coaches-and-scouts-to-consider-forming-union-after-league-decides-to-cap-football-expenditures/)
Justin Dunk 3downnation June 5, 2018

In the wake of the CFL’s decision to impose a cap on football operations expenditures, coaches and scouts around the Canadian Football League have begun discussions about forming a union.

According to TSN reporter Dave Naylor, the hard money number will be $2.723 and coaching staffs will be maxed out at 11 and front office executives at 17.

Just based on sheer numbers, there will be coaches who get pink slips when the football expenditures cap takes effect in 2019. Current coaching staff numbers across the league: the Montreal Alouettes have 14 people on staff, Ottawa Redblacks 10, Hamilton Tiger-Cats 11, Toronto Argonauts 15, Winnipeg Blue Bombers 10, Saskatchewan Roughriders 15, Edmonton Eskimos 13, Calgary Stampeders 10 and B.C. Lions 10. That means 13 coaches would be unemployed in 2019.

“Some coaches and scouts are going to lose their jobs after this season,” one league source said.

Total player salaries are capped at $5.2 million and the CFLPA has a union for the athletes. Football executives and coaches are in the process of trying to band together and form their own union. That would pave the way for having to establish a collective bargaining agreement.

“If the league wants to treat us like the players,” another source said. “we will fight.”

[ArgoZ]

After years without, we finally, this year, have a QB coach. This news probably means the position will be gone next season.

[R.J]

Coaches and scouts to consider forming union after league decides to cap football expenditures (http://3downnation.com/2018/06/05/coaches-and-scouts-to-consider-forming-union-after-league-decides-to-cap-football-expenditures/)
Justin Dunk 3downnation June 5, 2018

In the wake of the CFL’s decision to impose a cap on football operations expenditures, coaches and scouts around the Canadian Football League have begun discussions about forming a union.

According to TSN reporter Dave Naylor, the hard money number will be $2.723 and coaching staffs will be maxed out at 11 and front office executives at 17.

Just based on sheer numbers, there will be coaches who get pink slips when the football expenditures cap takes effect in 2019. Current coaching staff numbers across the league: the Montreal Alouettes have 14 people on staff, Ottawa Redblacks 10, Hamilton Tiger-Cats 11, Toronto Argonauts 15, Winnipeg Blue Bombers 10, Saskatchewan Roughriders 15, Edmonton Eskimos 13, Calgary Stampeders 10 and B.C. Lions 10. That means 13 coaches would be unemployed in 2019.

“Some coaches and scouts are going to lose their jobs after this season,” one league source said.

Total player salaries are capped at $5.2 million and the CFLPA has a union for the athletes. Football executives and coaches are in the process of trying to band together and form their own union. That would pave the way for having to establish a collective bargaining agreement.

“If the league wants to treat us like the players,” another source said. “we will fight.”
Argos have 14. For some reason Poindexter is listed twice on Argonauts.ca

[R.J]

After years without, we finally, this year, have a QB coach. This news probably means the position will be gone next season.
We should be fine. At 14, we just have to let go off the 3 out of 4 from these positions: Quality Control, Asst. Special Teams Coach, Strength & Conditioning Coach, and Offensive Quality Control Coach & Ast. O Line Coach.

[PullTogether73]

We should be fine. At 14, we just have to let go off the 3 out of 4 from these positions: Quality Control, Asst. Special Teams Coach, Strength & Conditioning Coach, and Offensive Quality Control Coach & Ast. O Line Coach.

I still laugh every time I see the title "Quality Control" coach in football.
Made up crap to add a friend of the head coach to the coaching staff.
:(

[Antwon]

Argos have 14. For some reason Poindexter is listed twice on Argonauts.ca

The Cats have 11. But must be paying a fortune. Consider they're paying Austin not to coach, June Jones, Gerry Glanville, and lured Steinauer back from a lucrative NCAA position.

[Will]

Haven't decided how I feel about this yet.
I'm a bit conflicted.
If it is intended to decrease the size of coaching staffs then I'm all for it.
But, what happens with a "fired coach?" Would he count against the cap?

[argotom]

I am not sure this is a good idea, especially that it will no doubt affect the ability to hire and keep HC and the coordinators.
Since everything has a number, I think the better way might be to have a players and coaches all inclusive cap let's say at $10M

[ArgoZ]

We should be fine. At 14, we just have to let go off the 3 out of 4 from these positions: Quality Control, Asst. Special Teams Coach, Strength & Conditioning Coach, and Offensive Quality Control Coach & Ast. O Line Coach.

Well, in that case, good bye assistant ST and assistant O line and O Quality coaches. I’m surprised they even have those positions. If those positions are filled with young minds, getting experience, it will be a shame and may increase recycled trends.

[R.J]

I still laugh every time I see the title "Quality Control" coach in football.
Made up crap to add a friend of the head coach to the coaching staff.
:(
I also have no idea what a Quality Control Coach is. What is it they do/needed for ?

Haven't decided how I feel about this yet.
I'm a bit conflicted.
If it is intended to decrease the size of coaching staffs then I'm all for it.
But, what happens with a "fired coach?" Would he count against the cap?
I also like limiting the Coaching staffs, but my concern is the monies being capped; good coaching and GM's won't come cheap. It also sounds like there's more changes coming; which could limit camps and such. I think the League should take a look at how many teams are hiding fake injures - that would save some money. IMO this issue is a combination or one of two things: Edmonton crying because they can't outspend anyone anymore (Rhodes is the biggest whiner in the League from what I've been told) and/or a CBA ploy. The timing makes me pretty confident about the CBA bit; the League can say "hey look, we know coaching staffs have ballooned, and we know that Coaches like Jones and Trestman are making more than the top paid QB's, but we really don't have much money left, so we had to cap them to give you guys another $100k" - you get the idea.

According to Ambrosie, League revenues go up 1.3% annually, but expenses are going up 5%; that maybe true, but no one is forcing the Owners to pay more on the football ops side, and this move would make the CFL the only League with an operational cap. $2.8 million also seems ridiculously low for 28 people and Coaches along with GM's taking up 30% of that.

As for the fired coaches bit, nothing been stated about it, but I imagine it wouldn't count against the cap. The League has to be very careful here IMO.

[R.J]

http://www.620ckrm.com/2018/06/05/cfl-to-institute-a-cap-on-coaches/#.WxepWSC8e44.twitter

“The players have been frustrated,” the Commissioner admitted. “They’ve watched as their compensation has been capped, they’ve watched us continue to add bodies and add compensation to the non-player operations. They’ve told us that was one of their big frustrations going into next (CBA). It doesn’t make sense to have an unlevel playing field. We had a bit of an arms race going on. One team adds a coach, then everybody else adds one.

“I’m not against anybody but what I am for is wanting the league to be great and reach its full potential. You have to make some of these tough decisions. Whatever comes our way, we’ll deal with it in a respectful fashion.”

[Will]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality_control_coach

Kinda explains it.

[R.J]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality_control_coach

Kinda explains it.
It kind of sounds like the Video Coordinator; of which the Argos have one ( and an Asst. video coordinator as well).

[Antwon]

I’m fine with capping the number of coaches as the number seems reasonable. Forcing a hard cap next year is a bad idea and short sighted.

How do teams with coaches signed for future years fit those contracts in a cap?
Does the cap amount take any account into where the team is based? Cost of living in TO or Vancouver dwarfs that of other cities.
As mentioned how are fired coach contracts accounted for?

Hopefully as part of the plan the hard cap is not enforced until all team contracts are new from this date forward.

[PullTogether73]

The coaches may be up in arms about this, but I wonder how they would feel if there was a coaches (as a group) salary cap?
There is a players salary cap of course - total dollars spent on players.
What if the same thing applied on the coaches side - instead of a number of coaches cap, a $ cap spent on coaches per team.

:hmmmm::rolleyes:

[R.J]

The coaches may be up in arms about this, but I wonder how they would feel if there was a coaches (as a group) salary cap?
There is a players salary cap of course - total dollars spent on players.
What if the same thing applied on the coaches side - instead of a number of coaches cap, a $ cap spent on coaches per team.

:hmmmm::rolleyes:
The bit I love in the Dunk post is an unnamed source stating something along the lines of "if they're going to treat us like players: we'll fight" (not verbatim I know). At least someone acknowledged that the players are treated unfairly - not so great when the shoe's on the other foot.

[R.J]

http://leaderpost.com/sports/football/cfl/saskatchewan-roughriders/roughriders-will-comply-with-cfls-2-7m-football-ops-salary-cap-but-some-coaches-will-not-be-retained-in-2019

The salary caps means that football operations staff may have to deal with pay cuts in 2019. Jones, who is also the defensive co-ordinator, will be among those looking at a salary reduction. Jones reportedly earns $650,000 to $700,000 a season.

“You think I would hang everyone out to dry and not take a pay cut?” Jones said. “You should know me better than that.”

A nice gesture by Jones IMO.

On a side note: How would this cap work for John Hufnagel ? He's the team's President, General Manager & Exec. Committee Member.

[R.J]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">(1/2)<br>The more I talk to friends about the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CFL</a> approved cap on football ops, the less I like it. I agree that we’ve gotta limit the number of coaches on a staff, however the league now has coaches like Marc Trestman, Mike Sherman, &amp; June Jones, along w/ some impressive others...</p>&mdash; Luc Mullinder (@lucmull95) <a href="https://twitter.com/lucmull95/status/1004450925811941376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 6, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">(2/2 con’t)<br>We’ve gotta do WHATEVER IT TAKES to bring in &amp; KEEP high caliber coaches. The on-field talent is so much better now! The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CFL</a> needs coaches that are capable of extracting that talent. We can’t be a league where “developing coaches” outweigh tenured coaches. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GottaGrow?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GottaGrow</a></p>&mdash; Luc Mullinder (@lucmull95) <a href="https://twitter.com/lucmull95/status/1004450943742631936?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 6, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[SkalbaniasGhost]

David Braley strikes again.He does not have a dedicated scout in the U.S Midwest or New England(They do play football in that region).He skimped on that when Bob Ackles passed over a decade ago.The Lions have not sent a scout or member of the coaching staff to the following college all star games(see below) going on several years now. The Eskimos and Stamps were not present either.They give you a deal on the hotel room near the events.What's the excuse?
FCS Bowl
National Bowl
Tropical Bowl
Globe Bowl
HBCU Bowl
Dream Bowl

This league's problem is a revenue issue.They are struggling with advertising on a national and international scale.They struggle with merchandising.They have media agreements with ESPN(US) and BT(UK) that expire at the end of this year.They should easily be able to score 12 to 15 million for the Non-Canadian Broadcasting and streaming right to their product for their next 3 years.What's the relationship with Amazon?

[R.J]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;It&#39;ll hurt the league because you&#39;ll not have as many young coaches to develop &amp; you&#39;ll have a lot of recycling like we had when I first got into the league.&quot; - Chris Jones on the coaching limits to be instituted in 2019<a href="https://t.co/gx1rstTI6F">https://t.co/gx1rstTI6F</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CFL</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Riders?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Riders</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/sportscage?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@sportscage</a></p>&mdash; CFL News (@CFL_News) <a href="https://twitter.com/CFL_News/status/1006562484558483456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 12, 2018</a></blockquote>
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While I still like the idea of capping Coaching position; I've changed my tune about the rest of it. $2.7 million is not enough, and 17 Football Ops personnel is quite small when you looks through teams. I'm still holding out hope that this is just a CBA ploy. It's sounding like the majority of complaints about Ops size is against surprise surprise the Riders.