Duron Carter

[Bleeds Double Blue]

Duron Carter was released by Saskatchewan today. Is he the deep threat we seem to lack or is there too much baggage to make signing him worthwhile? Your thoughts please.

[Argo]

Duron Carter was released by Saskatchewan today. Is he the deep threat we seem to lack or is there too much baggage to make signing him worthwhile? Your thoughts please.

My thought is the same as just posted in the Sask team thread : ))

Sign him.

[Bleeds Double Blue]

Moderators, I did not see the similar thread in the Sask team forum. Sorry about that. My bad. Feel free to deete this thread if you want.

[AngeloV]

I have serious doubts that Trestman would be interested in him. I can see him going back to Montreal.

[Ron]

Moderators, I did not see the similar thread in the Sask team forum. Sorry about that. My bad. Feel free to deete this thread if you want.

Well he's not a Rider anymore and the spec is about him coming here. I'd like to see him here as he's certainly better than a couple of the import receivers we have. As long as we don't make him a DB we should not see Mr Ordinary here.

* and not everyone reads other team threads. ;)

[macspectrum]

Well he's not a Rider anymore and the spec is about him coming here. I'd like to see him here as he's certainly better than a couple of the import receivers we have. As long as we don't make him a DB we should not see Mr Ordinary here.

* and not everyone reads other team threads. ;)

i think he would be a good addition to the argos and certainly help stretch the field as he instantly gives argos a deep play threat

jim popp certainly knows of carter as he played in mtl for 2 years

[Will]

Why not?

Oh mighty Pinball will talk to him.

Realistically though, I agree with Angelo's post.

[ArgoZ]

This has always bugged me about the CFL. Stars getting released before Labour Day for whatever reason, usually financial. It’s hard to be a fan when your team changes so often, even mid season. CFL players are so disposable. It’s a continued cycle: player signs for cheap, progresses to the point where they deserve a larger contract, then team decides they are not worth that money and they start over with one of the thousands of other players willing to play for peanuts.

I believe Popp already released Carter mid season, so I doubt he would consider him again, even though the Argos could use his talent. Montreal is the most likely destination in the CFL. If I was his agent, I would recommend getting his name out there and signing with one of the two American leagues starting up. Better money than looking for a job at a reduced rate in the CFL.

[Antwon]

Too much baggage and high maintenance.

[Neely2005]

This has always bugged me about the CFL. Stars getting released before Labour Day for whatever reason, usually financial. It’s hard to be a fan when your team changes so often, even mid season. CFL players are so disposable. It’s a continued cycle: player signs for cheap, progresses to the point where they deserve a larger contract, then team decides they are not worth that money and they start over with one of the thousands of other players willing to play for peanuts.

I believe Popp already released Carter mid season, so I doubt he would consider him again, even though the Argos could use his talent. Montreal is the most likely destination in the CFL. If I was his agent, I would recommend getting his name out there and signing with one of the two American leagues starting up. Better money than looking for a job at a reduced rate in the CFL.

Agreed. Hopefully the CFLPA does a better job of negotiating this time around.

[Will]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’m told <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Alouettes?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Alouettes</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Argos</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BCLions?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BCLions</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TiCats?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TiCats</a> have all reached out to Duron Carter. Some have made contract offers. I don’t expect the other 4 teams to reach out. Carter hopes to make a decision in the next couple of days. <a href="https://twitter.com/CFLonTSN?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CFLonTSN</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/CFL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@cfl</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/TSN_Sports?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TSN_Sports</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/TSN1040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TSN1040</a></p>&mdash; Farhan Lalji (@FarhanLaljiTSN) <a href="https://twitter.com/FarhanLaljiTSN/status/1028694825292328961?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 12, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[gilthethrill]

Read an article where Carters effort in practise and run plays during games are lacking.

[AngeloV]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’m told <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Alouettes?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Alouettes</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Argos</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BCLions?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BCLions</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TiCats?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TiCats</a> have all reached out to Duron Carter. Some have made contract offers. I don’t expect the other 4 teams to reach out. Carter hopes to make a decision in the next couple of days. <a href="https://twitter.com/CFLonTSN?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CFLonTSN</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/CFL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@cfl</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/TSN_Sports?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TSN_Sports</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/TSN1040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TSN1040</a></p>— Farhan Lalji (@FarhanLaljiTSN) <a href="https://twitter.com/FarhanLaljiTSN/status/1028694825292328961?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 12, 2018</a></blockquote>
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I don’t get why a team interested wouldn’t have just offered a late pick or neg list player for him? Why compete for his services if you are interested? Surprised to see the Argos in that list, but I hope they land him. He will make SJ, Edwards and Coombs that much more dangerous.

[ArgoGabe22]

I don’t get why a team interested wouldn’t have just offered a late pick or neg list player for him? Why compete for his services if you are interested? Surprised to see the Argos in that list, but I hope they land him. He will make SJ, Edwards and Coombs that much more dangerous.

I don't get it either. They say that trading in the CFL is difficult, because teams know once on the block, they wait for their release. But at least a trade guarantees that you now have that player.

[Argo57]

I don’t get why a team interested wouldn’t have just offered a late pick or neg list player for him? Why compete for his services if you are interested? Surprised to see the Argos in that list, but I hope they land him. He will make SJ, Edwards and Coombs that much more dangerous.

Have never been a fan of Carter’s, however he certainly would fill an area of need and make the team better so I wouldn’t mind seeing the Argonauts get him.

[ArgoRavi]

This has always bugged me about the CFL. Stars getting released before Labour Day for whatever reason, usually financial. It’s hard to be a fan when your team changes so often, even mid season. CFL players are so disposable. It’s a continued cycle: player signs for cheap, progresses to the point where they deserve a larger contract, then team decides they are not worth that money and they start over with one of the thousands of other players willing to play for peanuts.

I believe Popp already released Carter mid season, so I doubt he would consider him again, even though the Argos could use his talent. Montreal is the most likely destination in the CFL. If I was his agent, I would recommend getting his name out there and signing with one of the two American leagues starting up. Better money than looking for a job at a reduced rate in the CFL.

While Popp was the GM when Montreal released Carter very late in the 2016 season, that was really Jacques Chapdelaine's move. If the Argos are interested, then I suspect it is because Trestman believes that the veteran leadership in Toronto is solid enough to keep Duron in line, if necessary. There is no doubt in my mind that this move by the Riders was NOT financial in nature.

[Argo]

While Popp was the GM when Montreal released Carter very late in the 2016 season, that was really Jacques Chapdelaine's move. If the Argos are interested, then I suspect it is because Trestman believes that the veteran leadership in Toronto is solid enough to keep Duron in line, if necessary. There is no doubt in my mind that this move by the Riders was NOT financial in nature.

"Confusus" says: "Any and every past, present, and future winner of the Johnny Rogers Hot Dog Eating Award reeks of talent."

[macspectrum]

'He will make SJ, Edwards and Coombs that much more dangerous.'
correct ! - has baggage - but is very good
add carter and those 4 are a dangerous set
add cross and wilder from backfield
[and....again....resisting.....urge....to...make... .+ve...messam...comment]

[jerrym]

If he signs with the Argos, it will be an adventure.



Anyone surprised by Carter’s release clearly hasn’t been paying attention.
Amid reports that he fights with teammates (http://3downnation.com/2017/10/16/incident-practice-lead-duron-carter-suspension/) and misbehaves on team flights, Carter was twice charged in the off-season with marijuana possession (http://3downnation.com/2018/02/02/riders-duron-carter-facing-not-one-two-drug-charges-report/). On-field he is prone to taking undisciplined penalties, whining whenever the offence neglects him and loafing through plays where he isn’t the primary target.


http://3downnation.com/2018/08/12/davis-carter-wasnt-worth-trouble-money-anymore-riders/

[argotom]

The kid although very talented, is a head case and not worth the trouble with the major baggage.

[ArgoZ]

While Popp was the GM when Montreal released Carter very late in the 2016 season, that was really Jacques Chapdelaine's move. If the Argos are interested, then I suspect it is because Trestman believes that the veteran leadership in Toronto is solid enough to keep Duron in line, if necessary. There is no doubt in my mind that this move by the Riders was NOT financial in nature.

The main reason was probably his attitude and behaviour, but those reasons seem to always reflect on the contract. If he was cheaper, maybe he lasts longer or the whole season. There is usually always financial implications. They didn’t want to put up with him, nor was he worth the money to put up with him.

[jerrym]

Like I said earlier, it's always an adventure with Carter.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I might be done with football man... find a job that travels around the world, something where I can be myself 🤷🏾*♂️</p>&mdash; Duron Carter (@DC_CHILLIN_8) <a href="https://twitter.com/DC_CHILLIN_8/status/1028476116271546368?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 12, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[mchesher03]

In my opinion, he’s too “me first” and not a team player from what I’ve seen. However, I trust Popp and Trestman in terms of running things and if they think that his benefits outweight the costs, then by all means.

Although I’d say don’t sign him myself, I think he’d take some attention and you’d see SJ Green light it up even more.

[1971GreyCup]

Like I said earlier, it's always an adventure with Carter.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I might be done with football man... find a job that travels around the world, something where I can be myself 🤷🏾*♂️</p>&mdash; Duron Carter (@DC_CHILLIN_8) <a href="https://twitter.com/DC_CHILLIN_8/status/1028476116271546368?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 12, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That sounds a lot like the derogatory remarks one makes just before putting an offer in on a house one loves.😂😂

[doubleblue]

Great talent and a difference maker. But..........all the draw backs have already been said. Could they put up with him for 9 games and the playoffs? He would have fit in on one of Leo Cahill's team.

[AngeloV]

I think he proved he can be a team player just by the fact that he allowed the team to take him off the O and move him to D. From what I’ve read, he had a problem with OC McAdoo. Jones created this problem in my books. I say go after him. If anyone can get the best out of him, it’s Trestman. With the cap savings the Argos have from marquee players being 6 gamed, I see no risk. He doesn’t conform, cut him, even if it means taking a cap hit on his salary. As I said, they’ve already had tons of cap relief where they can afford to take the hit.

[Argo]

I think he proved he can be a team player just by the fact that he allowed the team to take him off the O and move him to D. From what I’ve read, he had a problem with OC McAdoo. Jones created this problem in my books. I say go after him. If anyone can get the best out of him, it’s Trestman. With the cap savings the Argos have from marquee players being 6 gamed, I see no risk. He doesn’t conform, cut him, even if it means taking a cap hit on his salary. As I said, they’ve already had tons of cap relief where they can afford to take the hit.

I agree.

To reference another previous comment... if he'd fit on a Leo Cahill team, well then, that's a feature not a bug, IMO. If I wanted to watch robots, there are a number of YouTube videos of latest and greatest automatons.

[AngeloV]

I agree.

To reference another previous comment... if he'd fit on a Leo Cahill team, well then, that's a feature not a bug, IMO. If I wanted to watch robots, there are a number of YouTube videos of latest and greatest automatons.

Well said. Although I'm sure there are many who think their morals are much higher than they are in reality that would object to his signing.

[macspectrum]

green said he would approve of carter on his team
and most fans would think green is a stand up guy

'S.J. Green would ‘definitely’ give Duron Carter his approval if Argos management asked'

[Argo57]

I think he proved he can be a team player just by the fact that he allowed the team to take him off the O and move him to D. From what I’ve read, he had a problem with OC McAdoo. Jones created this problem in my books. I say go after him. If anyone can get the best out of him, it’s Trestman. With the cap savings the Argos have from marquee players being 6 gamed, I see no risk. He doesn’t conform, cut him, even if it means taking a cap hit on his salary. As I said, they’ve already had tons of cap relief where they can afford to take the hit.

100% agree with this Angelo, very little risk and huge upside in signing him.
The guy makes plays and would instantly make the Argo O much better.

[Argo]

I expect this signing to occur. Among the potential destinations for Carter, the Argos are clearly the best fit and situation for him, while the team truly needs to add a dynamic receiver.

[Neely2005]

Apparently it's down to Toronto & Montreal.

[lazycro]

Apparently it's down to Toronto & Montreal.

Only reason I could see Montreal is because of John bringing in US viewers for him to be highlighted for NFL.

We have familiarity in a number of places and probably more of the personality of guys that he'd like around him.
(SJ, Edwards, Wilder)

[gilthethrill]

I would like to take this opportunity to wish all teams involved in the pursuit of Duron Carter nothi g but the best. Having said that, man would he look good in Double Blue despite his short comings. Just too talented.

[Jon Gonzo]

If you get a chance at -- potentially-- the best game breaker in football; you'd be a fool not to sign him. As mentioned above, if he does something egregious, then cut him. This is football, not golf.

[AngeloV]

Argos won a Grey Cup in 2004 with 2 of the biggest head case receivers I can think of in Arland Bruce and Robert Baker. I would have no problem bringing in Carter, and I really think a lot of this him being selfish is overblown. You can't help but wonder who the real head case in this situation is. Chris Jones has not only be disloyal to veteran players over the years, but also to organizations. He really screwed Calgary over when he bolted to join the Argos in 2012, then did the same to Edmonton when he left after a championship to join the Riders.

[Jon Gonzo]

Argos won a Grey Cup in 2004 with 2 of the biggest head case receivers I can think of in Arland Bruce and Robert Baker. I would have no problem bringing in Carter, and I really think a lot of this him being selfish is overblown. You can't help but wonder who the real head case in this situation is. Chris Jones has not only be disloyal to veteran players over the years, but also to organizations. He really screwed Calgary over when he bolted to join the Argos in 2012, then did the same to Edmonton when he left after a championship to join the Riders.

Ah yes, Robert Baker "The Touchdown Maker." Talk about a thug. I remember him fighting Chuck Winters a couple of times and punching Noel Prefontaine on the sidelines during a game.

Mike O'Shea had to go over and threaten to thump him, if he didn't relax.

Robert Baker is a gang-banger and is doing time in a Federal Penn for moving H.

But truthfully yes, football is a very tough sport played by many many kids from the mean streets and the inner cities.

You should hear Chuck Winters tell stories about his childhood in Detroit. He lost a brother to a drive-by shooting, and has said many times that sports saved his life

I recall back when I worked for the Argos, Bernard Williams had all kinds of problems reporting to TC on time cos he'd always get stopped at the border based on previous busts.

CFL dressing rooms really are an odd-odd mish-mash of inner-city rough boys, well educated rich kids, french canadians, westerners with cowboy hats, islanders and city slickers.

And the best rooms always come together however odd it may be.

My guess is that this room would be a good room for Duron Carter, who is an odd duck who (it is said) really only wants to fit in.

[Argo57]

Seems like Montreal is the front runner to land Carter, would like to see the Argos get him but perhaps Popp-Trestman are being cautious with this one.
Ultimately I trust their judgement.

https://twitter.com/TSNDaveNaylor?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Ese rp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

[ArgoGabe22]

Ah yes, Robert Baker "The Touchdown Maker." Talk about a thug. I remember him fighting Chuck Winters a couple of times and punching Noel Prefontaine on the sidelines during a game.

Mike O'Shea had to go over and threaten to thump him, if he didn't relax.

Robert Baker is a gang-banger and is doing time in a Federal Penn for moving H.

But truthfully yes, football is a very tough sport played by many many kids from the mean streets and the inner cities.

You should hear Chuck Winters tell stories about his childhood in Detroit. He lost a brother to a drive-by shooting, and has said many times that sports saved his life

I recall back when I worked for the Argos, Bernard Williams had all kinds of problems reporting to TC on time cos he'd always get stopped at the border based on previous busts.

CFL dressing rooms really are an odd-odd mish-mash of inner-city rough boys, well educated rich kids, french canadians, westerners with cowboy hats, islanders and city slickers.

And the best rooms always come together however odd it may be.

My guess is that this room would be a good room for Duron Carter, who is an odd duck who (it is said) really only wants to fit in.

The 1994 Lions is probably the worst makeup of players, yet still managed to win the Grey Cup.

[Argo]

Seems like Montreal is the front runner to land Carter, would like to see the Argos get him but perhaps Popp-Trestman are being cautious with this one.
Ultimately I trust their judgement.

https://twitter.com/TSNDaveNaylor?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twg r^author

Didn't hear any evidence, just conjecture. If DC and his agent are savvy, they'll choose Toronto.

[Rich]

Apparently Carter has the same agent as Kawhi Leonard and the two are friends, which opens up the possibility for some intriguing media synergies for him and the Argonauts in this town. Even better, Carter is the missing ingredient that could transform this offence into the league's best. He's gotta see that signing here is a win-win.

[ArgoRavi]

Apparently Carter has the same agent as Kawhi Leonard and the two are friends, which opens up the possibility for some intriguing media synergies for him and the Argonauts in this town. Even better, Carter is the missing ingredient that could transform this offence into the league's best. He's gotta see that signing here is a win-win.

Doesn't his Uncle Butch still live in Toronto? If he has a good relationship with him and wants to be close to family, that could sway him towards Toronto.

[gilthethrill]

Doesn't his Uncle Butch still live in Toronto? If he has a good relationship with him and wants to be close to family, that could sway him towards Toronto.

True Ravi, but Montreal is a solidly run organization without a shred of dysfunction. Can't blame him if he signs there.

[Will]

Doesn't his Uncle Butch still live in Toronto? If he has a good relationship with him and wants to be close to family, that could sway him towards Toronto.

I forgot about that connection.

FWIW

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Alouettes?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Alouettes</a> HC Mike Sherman tells <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TSN690?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TSN690</a> there will be &quot;no further discussions&quot; on bringing back <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DuronCarter?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DuronCarter</a>. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CFL</a> <a href="https://t.co/DM7deF119a">pic.twitter.com/DM7deF119a</a></p>&mdash; Rick Moffat (@RickMoffat) <a href="https://twitter.com/RickMoffat/status/1029694307249344513?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 15, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[jerrym]

With Montreal out of the picture, that leaves the Argos and Tiger Cats.

http://3downnation.com/2018/08/15/alouettes-sherman-says-wont-discussions-signing-duron-carter/

[Neely2005]

With Montreal out of the picture, that leaves the Argos and Tiger Cats.

http://3downnation.com/2018/08/15/alouettes-sherman-says-wont-discussions-signing-duron-carter/

The last I read it was down to Toronto and Montreal. When did Hamilton get back in the bidding?

[Argo57]

Perhaps no team will sign Carter?

https://www.tsn.ca/cfl/video/naylor-i-think-duron-carter-s-days-in-the-cfl-may-unfortunately-be-done~1462641

[Argo]

"May this - may that - cannot see Carter playing for Trestman"... yada, yada.

[lazycro]

Carter has disappeared from twitter

[gilthethrill]

Perhaps no team will sign Carter?

https://www.tsn.ca/cfl/video/naylor-i-think-duron-carter-s-days-in-the-cfl-may-unfortunately-be-done~1462641

Have to say, there was no substance to that segment.

[macspectrum]

Have to say, there was no substance to that segment.

what ? a media outlet releasing a video w/o substance ? say it ain't so joe ... say it ain't so
lol......

[Neely2005]

Carter says he's "close" to signing:

https://leaderpost.com/sports/football/cfl/saskatchewan-roughriders/duron-carter-remains-popular-with-saskatchewan-roughriders-fans?video_autoplay=true

[Argo]

Carter says he's "close" to signing:

https://leaderpost.com/sports/football/cfl/saskatchewan-roughriders/duron-carter-remains-popular-with-saskatchewan-roughriders-fans?video_autoplay=true

Close to signing, that is, with the Toronto Argonauts.

[AngeloV]

Carter says he's "close" to signing:

https://leaderpost.com/sports/football/cfl/saskatchewan-roughriders/duron-carter-remains-popular-with-saskatchewan-roughriders-fans?video_autoplay=true

That article was written on Tuesday, and the tone from media seemed to change yesterday.

[ArgoGabe22]

That article was written on Tuesday, and the tone from media seemed to change yesterday.

Is there actually any evidence that Trestman won’t ever want to coach him? Him deleting his account may have been ordered from a potential team. And Argos did talk with him, so I wouldn’t rule him out just because of what Naylor said.

[AngeloV]

Is there actually any evidence that Trestman won’t ever want to coach him? Him deleting his account may have been ordered from a potential team. And Argos did talk with him, so I wouldn’t rule him out just because of what Naylor said.

True. I hope the Argos do sign him, but I'm not sure it will happen.

[ArgoRavi]

Is there actually any evidence that Trestman won’t ever want to coach him? Him deleting his account may have been ordered from a potential team. And Argos did talk with him, so I wouldn’t rule him out just because of what Naylor said.

We can only go by Trestman's public comments and he sure seemed open to having Carter in Toronto a couple of days ago. Perhaps Naylor missed that?

[macspectrum]

We can only go by Trestman's public comments and he sure seemed open to having Carter in Toronto a couple of days ago. Perhaps Naylor missed that?

i sur do hope argos sign carter as he give a fast, deep threat and be a good fit with green
by stretching the d vertically green ould have a lot more to operate and if d goes man to man, i challenge ANY db in the league to successfully cover carter

[Ron]

Why is everyone assuming he'll be a WR? ;)

[macspectrum]

Why is everyone assuming he'll be a WR? ;)

cause trestman isn't stupid to try to make carter play defence

[jerrym]

cause trestman isn't stupid to try to make carter play defence

Dead on (except perhaps in an emergency created by injuries and only then for the rest of the game).

[Argo57]

Some more insight on why teams are shy about signing Carter.

https://leaderpost.com/sports/football/cfl/ed-willes-lions-argos-wont-gamble-on-polarizing-carter-but-thats-this-week/wcm/22d592bc-326e-4f51-9f3f-b210b1004b92

[ArgoGabe22]

Some more insight on why teams are shy about signing Carter.

https://leaderpost.com/sports/football/cfl/ed-willes-lions-argos-wont-gamble-on-polarizing-carter-but-thats-this-week/wcm/22d592bc-326e-4f51-9f3f-b210b1004b92

I dunno what’s the bigger story here, Argos no longer interested in Carter or it took an out of towner to ask the question because no local media was present?

[argolio]

I don't think he's a bad guy. He's just different. Maybe so different that he can only fit into teams for short stretches.

[Argo57]

I dunno what’s the bigger story here, Argos no longer interested in Carter or it took an out of towner to ask the question because no local media was present?

Good point, ironic it took questions from Regina media to members of the Argos organization to get some perspective and clarification on their perspective in regards to signing Carter, kind of pathetic actually.

[Wobbler]

I dunno what’s the bigger story here, Argos no longer interested in Carter or it took an out of towner to ask the question because no local media was present?
Or that the only writer to break the story thought an Imelda Marcos reference would play? Damn.

[1971GreyCup]

Maybe the media wasn't aware that by covering the event, they'd get free admission into the CNE.

I'd heard that the MLSE communications wizard that came over to the Argos didn't last through training camp. Argos are on there third communications manager in three months. Perhaps the new employee is struggling with the tasks required??

[Shatto]

Three communication manages in three months-------even Trump doesn't get rid of his staff that quickly!

[Argo]

Well then, let's enjoy "gambling on the polarizing effect" of missing the post-season in an eight team league.

[jerrym]

Three communication manages in three months-------even Trump doesn't get rid of his staff that quickly!

The month isn't over, but this wins my vote for joke of the month!

[1971GreyCup]

It’s reported that Duron Carter is in Toronto today visiting the Argos.

Justin Dunk tweet:

Duron Carter in #Toronto visiting #Argos 3downnation.com/2018/08/22/dur… #DoubleBlue #ArgosFootball #Saskatchewan #YQR #Riders #Montreal #Alouettes #AlsMTL #CFL

[Skilz]

TSN's Duane Forde reports the Argos as the Front Runner....

https://www.tsn.ca/argonauts-the-frontrunner-to-sign-carter-1.1161279

[macspectrum]

If he signs with the Argos, it will be an adventure.



http://3downnation.com/2018/08/12/davis-carter-wasnt-worth-trouble-money-anymore-riders/

maybe sj green can a maturing influence on him ?
he skillz would really help make argos offence formidable

[cfl-cis fan]

TSN's Duane Forde reports the Argos as the Front Runner....

https://www.tsn.ca/argonauts-the-frontrunner-to-sign-carter-1.1161279

We will need to free up more money to be able to sign Carter, Jones trade is not enough, will have to move 1 more/downgrade.

[macspectrum]

We will need to free up more money to be able to sign Carter, Jones trade is not enough, will have to move 1 more/downgrade.

lemon was recently sent to BC for nothing

[paulwoods13]

lemon was recently sent to BC for nothing

And we are saving a lot of money on QB salaries with RR on the IR likely for the rest of the season, plus Woods and Coombs were off the cap for a third of the season. Cap mgmt is not something that worries me at all at this point.

[Neely2005]

It’s reported that Duron Carter is in Toronto today visiting the Argos.

Justin Dunk tweet:

Duron Carter in #Toronto visiting #Argos 3downnation.com/2018/08/22/dur… #DoubleBlue #ArgosFootball #Saskatchewan #YQR #Riders #Montreal #Alouettes #AlsMTL #CFL

http://3downnation.com/2018/08/22/duron-carter-in-toronto-visiting-with-argos/

[gilthethrill]

It’s reported that Duron Carter is in Toronto today visiting the Argos.

Justin Dunk tweet:

Duron Carter in #Toronto visiting #Argos 3downnation.com/2018/08/22/dur… #DoubleBlue #ArgosFootball #Saskatchewan #YQR #Riders #Montreal #Alouettes #AlsMTL #CFL

This report from 3downnation about DC is almost...almost as interesting as Chris Jones changing from a black shirt to a green shirt while standing on the sidelines.

[Shatto]

It appears a distinct possibility Carter may be signed by the Argos. My take on the upside and downside on Carter being an Argo:

Upside:
.Gaining a proven hugely talented receiver
.Will open up more room for Green, Edwards et al
.Since his salary would only be for half a season, the cost is reasonable
.Trestman's coaching and personality will brook no bad behaviour --just what Carter needs
.Highly respected vets, Green and Woods know him and speak highly of him--also these vets should be able to keep him in line
.Perhaps his signing might create some local media and fan interest

Downside:
.He has been a problem throughout his career--can we expect a miraculous turnaround?
.Trestman stresses the team before the individual--can Carter buy into this philosophy?
.Could his larger than life personality (ego?) become a problem in the dressing room?
.Could he accept not being the number one target -will he accept running routes to open up room for other receivers?

Signing Carter is a risk but if any coach can manage Carter, it has to be Trestman. On the whole it is probably worth the risk to get his talent

[macspectrum]

'.Since his salary would only be for half a season, the cost is reasonable'

carter may be asking for more than a 1/2 season contract

[Shatto]

He might ask for more than half a season contract but he is not in any position to demand it. The Argos are in the driver's seat in these negotiations.

[macspectrum]

He might ask for more than half a season contract but he is not in any position to demand it. The Argos are in the driver's seat in these negotiations.

i think argos would be well served to sign him a 1/2 year contract w/ an option for 1 more year

[Argo57]

According to the Zicmeister the Carter signing is imminent.

https://torontosun.com/sports/football/cfl/toronto-argonauts/duron-carter-appears-headed-for-the-argonauts

[macspectrum]

According to the Zicmeister the Carter signing is imminent.

https://torontosun.com/sports/football/cfl/toronto-argonauts/duron-carter-appears-headed-for-the-argonauts

it will be very interesting to see the tenure of his, hopefully soon to be, contract

[matthew]

Not to mention Trestman & Pinball.


maybe sj green can a maturing influence on him ?
he skillz would really help make argos offence formidable

[Argo]

The expected and logical outcome.

Next, assuming availability, the team needs to apply itself and do whatever needs to be done to re-integrate Devier Posey.

At that point the Argos will have a stellar receiving corps.

[macspectrum]

The expected and logical outcome.

Next, assuming availability, the team needs to apply itself and do whatever needs to be done to re-integrate Devier Posey.

At that point the Argos will have a stellar receiving corps.

if that happens, 'stellar' would be the appropriate word

[jerrym]

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[jerrym]

I suspect we will see both some highs and some lows with Carter, as in the past if he signs with the Argos.

[1971GreyCup]

I’ve just heard that Carter will sign with the Argos this weekend.

[macspectrum]

I’ve just heard that Carter will sign with the Argos this weekend.

i wonder why 'this weekend' ?
is popp back in toronto ?

[1971GreyCup]

I’ll go to prison before I give up my sources. :)

[macspectrum]

I’ll go to prison before I give up my sources. :)

things that make me go hmmmmm

[Jon Gonzo]

Looking forward (hoping) for a Devier Posey - Duron Carter - SJ Green - Anthony Coombs - Armanti Edwards starting set. Mix that up with JWJ and Declan Cross and that O would pop.

[RB957]

I’ll go to prison before I give up my sources. :)


Didn't someone named Michael Cohen recently say something similar, lol??

[1971GreyCup]

Didn't someone named Michael Cohen recently say something similar, lol??

No, I think Cohen is signing like a bird! :)

[Argo57]

I’ll go to prison before I give up my sources. :)

It also says this in the Sun article.

[ArgoRavi]

With Chris Williams sustaining a suspected season-ending achilles injury in Hamilton on Thursday night, June Jones was thinking out loud in the post-game about pursuing Duron Carter.

[jerrym]

I’ve just heard that Carter will sign with the Argos this weekend.


With Chris Williams sustaining a suspected season-ending achilles injury in Hamilton on Thursday night, June Jones was thinking out loud in the post-game about pursuing Duron Carter.

Could this be another Casey Printers story a la 2007? Printers was heading to Montreal to sign when Hamilton offered him more money and voila, Printers was a Tiger Cat.

[macspectrum]

With Chris Williams sustaining a suspected season-ending achilles injury in Hamilton on Thursday night, June Jones was thinking out loud in the post-game about pursuing Duron Carter.

i hope argos don't lose carter especially to hamilton

[macspectrum]

a article in 3down.... claims that carter will be signed AFTER the argos v. als game
and be able to suit up for games v ticats

[macspectrum]

i wonder why the carter signing by argos has not been announced yet ... ?
makes me nervous ....

[lazycro]

i wonder why the carter signing by argos has not been announced yet ... ?
makes me nervous ....

Team didn't land till 5am Saturday, I expect that the whole day was taken as a day off due to that

[macspectrum]

Team didn't land till 5am Saturday, I expect that the whole day was taken as a day off due to that

didn't realize that
good point - thx
i was just thinking about him getting ready for the ticats game

[lazycro]

didn't realize that
good point - thx
i was just thinking about him getting ready for the ticats game

He'll probably be on field when they get on field Monday I would assume.... I forget the mandatory time off after travelling from a game from CFLPA maybe someone else can shed light.

Kate Pettersen is up in Muskoka today it looks like and she's usually in the city during their practices

Maybe an announcement late today, early tomorrow before they hit field.

[Neely2005]

https://thestarphoenix.com/sports/football/cfl/gone-fishing-free-agent-receiver-duron-carter-in-no-rush-to-play-again/wcm/85d85aed-e9fd-4a63-b6bb-fc252c9b3856

[Will]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">News: We&#39;ve signed two-time CFL All-Star 🇺🇸WR Duron Carter<br><br>🗞» <a href="https://t.co/czYg0qzVRu">https://t.co/czYg0qzVRu</a> <a href="https://t.co/HhosR4jtV4">pic.twitter.com/HhosR4jtV4</a></p>&mdash; Toronto Argonauts (@TorontoArgos) <a href="https://twitter.com/TorontoArgos/status/1033822729500348423?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[lazycro]

Double Blue Duron!

[Argo57]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">News: We&#39;ve signed two-time CFL All-Star 🇺🇸WR Duron Carter<br><br>🗞» <a href="https://t.co/czYg0qzVRu">https://t.co/czYg0qzVRu</a> <a href="https://t.co/HhosR4jtV4">pic.twitter.com/HhosR4jtV4</a></p>&mdash; Toronto Argonauts (@TorontoArgos) <a href="https://twitter.com/TorontoArgos/status/1033822729500348423?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Finally!!!

[Will]

But the locker room?

With the team at 3-6 it is a risk that I'm willing to take.

[lazycro]

He doesn't even need to change his number

[Mightygoose]

Good move. I'm certain that there are some 'understandings' between him and Popp to keep him in check.

Looking forward to hearing the terms.

Well done, I say.

[1971GreyCup]

In Popp We Trust!

[gilthethrill]

He doesn't even need to change his number

I wear a #89 practise jersey to the games. Not since Kenny Shaw was a PR player has an Argo worn that number. Much like Arland Bruce signing back prior to Labour Day in 2004, this could really be a key acquisition.

[Argo]

Very good move by all involved parties.

[Argo57]

This is a move the Argos had to make, Carter is a deep threat playmaker who other defences have to respect an element sorely missed in the Argonauts lineup.
Hopefully Duron realizes that this is probably his last chance in the CFL and enjoys a lengthy and productive tenure in Toronto.
Zero downside for the team on this one!

[ArgoGabe22]

I wear a #89 practise jersey to the games. Not since Kenny Shaw was a PR player has an Argo worn that number. Much like Arland Bruce signing back prior to Labour Day in 2004, this could really be a key acquisition.

Miles White wears #89. Or at least I think that’s his name.

[lazycro]

They have listed Duron at 89.... Right above White who is 89 lol

[gilthethrill]

Miles White wears #89. Or at least I think that’s his name.

That's right....darn!

[Argo57]

Miles White wears #89. Or at least I think that’s his name.

You mean Miles White used to wear #89?

[Stevoman]

Worth trying that's for sure. We all know he is great on the field and you have to think this is one of his last chances that a team might take on him. I do think the Argos have the right culture to help him succeed, however, if they don't start winning down the stretch that culture could quickly erode. I think they turn it around though and go 5-4 down the stretch.

[R.J]

Not a fan of this signing. Duron is very talented and we could use him, but he's been booted off 2 teams now for his shenanigans. Heck, Montreal held a player only vote to boot him out with him in the room lol.

[macspectrum]

Not a fan of this signing. Duron is very talented and we could use him, but he's been booted off 2 teams now for his shenanigans. Heck, Montreal held a player only vote to boot him out with him in the room lol.

2 of carter's former montreal team mates [green and woods] said he is welcome on the argo and woods went on to say that carter is a good gut and the bd rep from montreal, as he saw it, was not warranted
also jim popp said it was a wish of the montreal coach to remove carter

[jerrym]

It's a question of whether the good will outweigh the bad. At least in the short run, I think it will. But in the long run ?

[macspectrum]

It's a question of whether the good will outweigh the bad. At least in the short run, I think it will. But in the long run ?

argos are 3-6
u mean it can get worse ? really ?

duron carter is a flake but he got mad skillz and is a bona fide deep threat
i'd let him run flys and posts from o/s receiver spot all day long to stretch/tire out defence
if he gets double teamed deep, green should be wide open curl mid range - if he's single covered , throw him the rock

[Bleeds Double Blue]

Fasten your chinstraps gentlemen, this could be a wild ride.

[macspectrum]

SIGNED by argos !!!!!!

https://www.cfl.ca/2018/08/26/double-blue-duron-argos-land-free-agent-carter/

[lazycro]

White has moved to wearing #8 with DC taking his #89

[mchesher03]

Fasten your chinstraps gentlemen, this could be a wild ride.

I’ll admit to being a naysayer however I’ve come around to the “why not?” angle. If this team was going to right the ship, they’d have done so by now IMO. I think Carter will rack up stats with MBT and also, open things up for SJ to do the same.

[Mightygoose]

It appears Sep 22 will be the first time we'll see DC in action. vs. his recent team for that matter.

CFL News‏ @CFL_News <small class="time">21m21 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/CFL_News/status/1034135431133257728)</small>


RT .<s>@</s>TSNDaveNaylor (https://twitter.com/TSNDaveNaylor) Marc Trestman said Duron Carter will not play in either of the <s>@</s>TorontoArgos (https://twitter.com/TorontoArgos) upcoming games versus the <s>@</s>Ticats (https://twitter.com/Ticats). <s>#</s>CFL (https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash)


10:47 AM - 27 Aug 2018

[Argo]

http://3downnation.com/2018/08/27/video-duron-carter-signing-argos/

[Argo57]

SIGNED by argos !!!!!!

https://www.cfl.ca/2018/08/26/double-blue-duron-argos-land-free-agent-carter/

Nice scoop on the breaking news😛

[Shatto]

Considering the huge importance of the next two games, both against Hamilton, I find it a little surprising that Carter is not playing at least in the second game. The rather adamant statement "there is no chance he (Carter) will be playing in either game" left no doubt that we will not see him in the Labour Day weekend games. He is an experienced CFL receiver, so one might have assumed, he would have been ready for the return game at BMO---might even have helped with ticket sales. However, Trestman is in the best situation to know when Carter will be ready.

[macspectrum]

Nice scoop on the breaking news

i called the argo offices to let them know of my excitement
i know it probably doesn't matter much, but leaving then a positive message is probably something they don't hear often
certainly was good news !

[Neely2005]

It appears Sep 22 will be the first time we'll see DC in action. vs. his recent team for that matter.

CFL News‏ @CFL_News <small class="time">21m21 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/CFL_News/status/1034135431133257728)</small>


RT .<s>@</s>TSNDaveNaylor (https://twitter.com/TSNDaveNaylor) Marc Trestman said Duron Carter will not play in either of the <s>@</s>TorontoArgos (https://twitter.com/TorontoArgos) upcoming games versus the <s>@</s>Ticats (https://twitter.com/Ticats). <s>#</s>CFL (https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash)


10:47 AM - 27 Aug 2018

That seems a little excessive to me. I figured that he'd play his first game on September 8th.

[lazycro]

i called the argo offices to let them know of my excitement
i know it probably doesn't matter much, but leaving then a positive message is probably something they don't hear often
certainly was good news !

I waved at them this morning as I walked by the office.

[macspectrum]

That seems a little excessive to me. I figured that he'd play his first game on September 8th.

this firmly has me convinced that trestman is nuts
he gets one of the top 3 deep threat in the league and then shelves him


===========================
Marc Trestman takes heat for missed field goal on second down

Posted by Michael David Smith on December 2, 2013, 6:57 AM EDT
A lot of the blame also goes to Trestman.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/02/marc-trestman-takes-heat-for-missed-field-goal-on-second-down/
===========================
seems to me trestman places his own ego above that of winning

[R.J]

Nice scoop on the breaking news
https://media1.tenor.com/images/7942fef9f26cc3ef125bcca9a016cde7/tenor.gif?itemid=11587701

[Argo57]

Considering the huge importance of the next two games, both against Hamilton, I find it a little surprising that Carter is not playing at least in the second game. The rather adamant statement "there is no chance he (Carter) will be playing in either game" left no doubt that we will not see him in the Labour Day weekend games. He is an experienced CFL receiver, so one might have assumed, he would have been ready for the return game at BMO---might even have helped with ticket sales. However, Trestman is in the best situation to know when Carter will be ready.

I’m surprised as well, thought at the very least Carter would be available for the September 8th game?

[macspectrum]

Nice scoop on the breaking news

'sarcasm detector' - lol !!!!
😛 😛 😛

[gilthethrill]

That seems a little excessive to me. I figured that he'd play his first game on September 8th.

I thought he would be up to speed for Labour Day.

[doubleblue]

It is official for Do Ron with the Argos. I say play him both ways at times. Keep him busy and out of trouble.

[Argo57]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/7942fef9f26cc3ef125bcca9a016cde7/tenor.gif?itemid=11587701

lol👍

[Shatto]

If the Argos lose both games and based on the two teams' play so far, that is a distinct possibility; Tresman has left himself open to a lot of second guessing from both the media and fans.

[1971GreyCup]

Good Jim Popp interview where he answers all the salient questions regarding the Duron Cater signing.

http://3downnation.com/2018/08/27/qa-argos-gm-jim-popp-on-signing-duron-carter-what-really-happened-in-montreal/

[ArgoRavi]

If the Argos lose both games and based on the two teams' play so far, that is a distinct possibility; Tresman has left himself open to a lot of second guessing from both the media and fans.

This is pretty consistent with what they have done with any new player. They need to learn the system first before they can get into the lineup. This isn't the 1970s or 1980s anymore where you could bring a guy in on Monday and have him in the starting lineup by Saturday.

[Argo]

This is pretty consistent with what they have done with any new player. They need to learn the system first before they can get into the lineup. This isn't the 1970s or 1980s anymore where you could bring a guy in on Monday and have him in the starting lineup by Saturday.

ArgoRavi signature update in 3, 2, 1...

[Shatto]

I take Ravi's point and it is probably is best to wait until the Sask game before playing Carter. However that doesn't change the point that the coach might be second guessed by media and fans if they lose both games to the Ti-Cats
If you are old enough to remember back to the 70's and 80's (like me) you might remember that it sometimes seemed a player coming in Thurs or Fri would play that weekend! Times have changed for the better but it is neat to remember how (it was rumoured) Tobin Rote partied all night and went right from the party to the game----and played his best ever game for the Argos.

[gilthethrill]

This is pretty consistent with what they have done with any new player. They need to learn the system first before they can get into the lineup. This isn't the 1970s or 1980s anymore where you could bring a guy in on Monday and have him in the starting lineup by Saturday.

I think it is more about earning a roster spot. No doubt Carter would be ready to play on Labour Day. I understand the thought process, but this team should be sensing more urgency. Sitting Duron against Hamilton back to back, to me is a mistake. He was not signed to stand on the sidelines for the 2 biggest games of the season.

[paulwoods13]

I take Ravi's point and it is probably is best to wait until the Sask game before playing Carter. However that doesn't change the point that the coach might be second guessed by media and fans if they lose both games to the Ti-Cats

Hell, the coach is getting second-guessed now by some fans, or at least one. Just read a few threads here for evidence.

Trestman is nothing if not consistent. He does things his way and insists his players meet certain standards. Like anyone else joining the team, Carter will need to meet those standards before he's handed a spot.

[macspectrum]

I think it is more about earning a roster spot. No doubt Carter would be ready to play on Labour Day. I understand the thought process, but this team should be sensing more urgency. Sitting Duron against Hamilton back to back, to me is a mistake. He was not signed to stand on the sidelines for the 2 biggest games of the season.

afreed
its not like carter was out of football for a year
and
argos are 3-6
.
lets just hope argos make the playoffs

[gilthethrill]

Hell, the coach is getting second-guessed now by some fans, or at least one. Just read a few threads here for evidence.

Trestman is nothing if not consistent. He does things his way and insists his players meet certain standards. Like anyone else joining the team, Carter will need to meet those standards before he's handed a spot.

I was expecting my opinion to be unpopular. I am huge Trestman fan, just not a fan of this decision, that's all.

[Rich]

I think it is more about earning a roster spot. No doubt Carter would be ready to play on Labour Day. I understand the thought process, but this team should be sensing more urgency. Sitting Duron against Hamilton back to back, to me is a mistake. He was not signed to stand on the sidelines for the 2 biggest games of the season.

Agree completely. If we lose in Hamilton, the return match will make or break the season, and yet we would deliberately sit one of the top receivers in the league? It makes no sense.

If Carter is as committed as he says he is, there's no way it will take him three weeks to get comfortable with the system. How long did it take Bomben to reach the coach's "high standards"? And does anybody seriously believe that it would take three weeks for the coaches to determine whether Carter is a better WR than Mario Alford?

[macspectrum]

Agree completely. If we lose in Hamilton, the return match will make or break the season, and yet we would deliberately sit one of the top receivers in the league? It makes no sense.

If Carter is as committed as he says he is, there's no way it will take him three weeks to get comfortable with the system. How long did it take Bomben to reach the coach's "high standards"? And does anybody seriously believe that it would take three weeks for the coaches to determine whether Carter is a better WR than Mario Alford?

seems like more proof that the addition of carter was not welcome news for trestman and not playing him for 3 weeks is testman's 'temper tantrum'

[gilthethrill]

seems like more proof that the addition of carter was not welcome news for trestman and not playing him for 3 weeks is testman's 'temper tantrum'

Trestman is a very calm, cool, intelligent individual. To suggest he is having a "temper tantrum " due to the Carter signing could very well be your most absurd comment yet.

[macspectrum]

Trestman is a very calm, cool, intelligent individual. To suggest he is having a "temper tantrum " due to the Carter signing could very well be your most absurd comment yet.
argos are 3-6
argos and ticats [who are in 2nd place] play back2back games
trestman won't allow possibly #1 [top 3 at least] receiver in cfl to suit up for argos


and my comment is most absurd yet ?
.
lets see what is what at end of season
.
[h=1]“Let justice be done though the heavens fall”

[Neely2005]

seems like more proof that the addition of carter was not welcome news for trestman and not playing him for 3 weeks is testman's 'temper tantrum'

You can't possibly be serious.

[Argo57]

Trestman is a principled team first coach and undoubtedly wants to be fair to the receivers who have been with the team all year working hard to get in the lineup while at the same time sending Carter a message that must earn his spot on the field.
I am surprised that Carter won’t be in the lineup sooner but admire Trestman for staying true to himself and the rest of his players.

[macspectrum]

Trestman is a principled team first coach and undoubtedly wants to be fair to the receivers who have been with the team all year working hard to get in the lineup while at the same time sending Carter a message that must earn his spot on the field.
I am surprised that Carter won’t be in the lineup sooner but admire Trestman for staying true to himself and the rest of his players.

i hope u r as 'understanding' of trestman's antics if argos miss the playoffs
i was expecting argos to 'build' on their gc victory in an attempt to get fans back and to become more relevant in toronto
some here took my expecting them to try to build a dynasty like edmonton when they won 5 gc straight - hell be like calgagry and make teams scared to play u ot count it as a loss
toronto could be that way - teams would not like to play toronto
.
2012 argos won gc @ skydome
2013 east final
2015 missed playoffs
.
is it better to be an argos fan or a stamps fan ?

[argos1873]

Since Carter is a) not new to Canadian football, and b) hasn't been sitting for months, if I'm Trestman, I wouldn't deliberately sit a talent like Carter to get him aclimitized to the system. I see how he does in practice and play it from there. There's a week of practice before Labour Day, why decide right away to sit him. I'm sure there's lots Trestman knows they we don't, but on the surface it doesn't make sense to announce that he won't play for 2 games right away.

[Jon Gonzo]

Time for a Top 10 list here? (;

1) Trestman is having a temper tantrum right now over DC Chillin
2)

[macspectrum]

Time for a Top 10 list here? (;

1) Trestman is having a temper tantrum right now over DC Chillin
2)

'temper tantrum' was in quotes
#2 argos required to win 5 gc in a row like eskimos

[Neely2005]

'temper tantrum' was in quotes
#2 argos required to win 5 gc in a row like eskimos

How many teams in the history of the CFL have won 5 Grey Cups in a row? If that's your benchmark then you're going to be mighty disappointed as that's never going to happen again.

[macspectrum]

How many teams in the history of the CFL have won 5 Grey Cups in a row? If that's your benchmark then you're going to be mighty disappointed as that's never going to happen again.

nope, not my 'benchmark'
buy i did expect argos to get into playoffs 5 yr in a row, better yet win east
eskimos winning 5 gc in a row was an eg of how something similar can be done in the past

[ArgoGabe22]

Anyone recall a trade mid way in the season for the reciever, who played immediately? Easier for a defender to just get in there and play but it ain’t exactly easy for a reciever to just come in and play.

[argos1873]

Anyone recall a trade mid way in the season for the reciever, who played immediately? Easier for a defender to just get in there and play but it ain’t exactly easy for a reciever to just come in and play.

I don't know, but didn't Drew Willy, a QB play right away when he was traded to the Argos? Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Jon Gonzo]

Anyone recall a trade mid way in the season for the reciever, who played immediately? Easier for a defender to just get in there and play but it ain’t exactly easy for a reciever to just come in and play.

The Rough Riders sent us Emmanuel Tolbert which bolstered the Argo drive for the Grey Cup in 81. Long time ago, but I believe he lined up immediately. Not just trades, but NFL cuts come back and start right away all the time. Arland Bruce came back from the NFL in 04 after being cut by the 49'ers and started in the Labour Day game.

Also I recall when Mookie Mitchell came back from out West for his 2nd tour, he got inserted asap.

It's not like it can't be done, and done with success, it's just that Trestman is loyal to the roster that he's chosen and has toiled in this uniform since day 1. It's certainly is not a usual tactic, but how can you argue with the coaches ability to both win and to get the respect of his teams?

[macspectrum]

Anyone recall a trade mid way in the season for the reciever, who played immediately? Easier for a defender to just get in there and play but it ain’t exactly easy for a reciever to just come in and play.

bombden was traded from als on 29 jul 2018
argos site stats show him playing 3 games for argos 2018
counting backwards, 23 aug-mtl, bc, bye week, 3 aug-ottawa
makes it 3 aug 2018 when he 1st suited up for argos
.
how many days is it between 29 jul and 3 aug ? [yes, i'm being facetious]
.
kinda goes against your narrative , eh ? [no, i'm not being facetious] [ double -ve used for emphasis]

[macspectrum]

Anyone recall a trade mid way in the season for the reciever, who played immediately? Easier for a defender to just get in there and play but it ain’t exactly easy for a reciever to just come in and play.

telling him to run fly and post all day doesn't seem overly difficult
especially since argos are 3-6

[jerrym]

I have mixed feelings about using Carter long-term, but I would like to see him as asap, which should be at by at least the second Hamilton game IMO if it is believed he could help us make the playoffs.

[ArgoGabe22]

bombden was traded from als on 29 jul 2018
argos site stats show him playing 3 games for argos 2018
counting backwards, 23 aug-mtl, bc, bye week, 3 aug-ottawa
makes it 3 aug 2018 when he 1st suited up for argos
.
how many days is it between 29 jul and 3 aug ? [yes, i'm being facetious]
.
kinda goes against your narrative , eh ? [no, i'm not being facetious] [ double -ve used for emphasis]

Never knew Bomben was a reciever....

There is no narrative. I'm simply asking if anyone recalls a time a receiver was thrown right away into the lineup without at least missing a game first. I would like to know if it happened before.

Lastly, this isn't sandlot football. You don't just tell a receiver to keep running flys and posts. There is a playbook and everything which includes depths of routes, terminology, plus the quarterback's cadence. It's why they practice.

[Rich]

I'm simply asking if anyone recalls a time a receiver was thrown right away into the lineup without at least missing a game first.

One game is understandable. Two games is hard to swallow. They announced Carter's signing on Aug 27 and said he won't play until Sept 22, almost a whole month. We're talking about a team with the second-worst passing attack facing two huge games without using the newly-acquired services of a healthy all-star receiver. Anyone recall a time that happened before?

[gilthethrill]

Anyone recall a trade mid way in the season for the reciever, who played immediately? Easier for a defender to just get in there and play but it ain’t exactly easy for a reciever to just come in and play.

In 2004 Arland Bruce was released by San Francisco on September 3. He suited up for the Argos a few days later on Labour Day as receiver and KR. In the next 7 games he caught 15 passes for 247 yards.

[paulwoods13]

The Rough Riders sent us Emmanuel Tolbert which bolstered the Argo drive for the Grey Cup in 81. Long time ago, but I believe he lined up immediately.

I'm pretty sure Tolbert was picked up off waivers weeks before he played. His first game was the Grey Cup (in 1982, of course).

[paulwoods13]

Trestman didn't get where he is without developing, and sticking with, a value system. You don't hold your helmet the right way during the anthem, you don't play on his team. I think it's pretty clear he plans to make sure Carter understands and can abide by the values before he plays.

The difference between Carter and Bomben (aside from the fact that receivers presumably have a lot more complexity to grasp in the playbook) is that no one has ever said a bad word about Bomben. Lots of people, including teammates, have said lots of bad words about Carter. So which one is more likely to abide by Trestman's value system?

A value system, by the way, that contributed strongly to winning the Grey Cup last season. We were all happy as hell to have Trestman and the Love Boat last November; now some of us would like to throw all that out to force a potentially disruptive influence into the lineup. I'm not in that group.

[Jon Gonzo]

I'm pretty sure Tolbert was picked up off waivers weeks before he played. His first game was the Grey Cup (in 1982, of course).

That may well be. It was a long time ago, but somehow I remember him catching a big TD pass in a playoff game *before* the Grey Cup? I just did a search and you are correct, he was cut in Saskatchewan and picked up by the Argos late in the season. He was later traded with Darrell Nicholson to Calgary for Dan Rashovich in what turned out to be a bad trade for Toronto. ET had 4 - 1,000 yard all-star seasons with the Stamps, and had a pretty under-rated career. Unfortunately, I believe he is spending his days in a prison cell present tense as a sex offender.

[AngeloV]

That may well be. It was a long time ago, but somehow I remember him catching a big TD pass in a playoff game *before* the Grey Cup? I just did a search and you are correct, he was cut in Saskatchewan and picked up by the Argos late in the season. He was later traded with Darrell Nicholson to Calgary for Dan Rashovich in what turned out to be a bad trade for Toronto. ET had 4 - 1,000 yard all-star seasons with the Stamps, and had a pretty under-rated career. Unfortunately, I believe he is spending his days in a prison cell present tense as a sex offender.

Paul is correct. Tolbert replacer Scott McGhee at SB for the ‘82 Grey Cup game. He caught a screen for a long TD on his first touch. The big TD catch you may be thinking of was the ‘83 Eastern Final in the same play he torched the Cats with twice in the Labour Day classic that sam year. Just a straight go route from the inside.

For the record, his bio on CFLapedia says the Argos picked up Tolbert in September of ‘82 so he waited 2 months before suiting up.

http://www.cflapedia.com/Players/t/tolbert_emanuel.htm

[Will]

Paul is correct. Tolbert replacer Scott McGhee at SB for the ‘82 Grey Cup game. He caught a screen for a long TD on his first touch. The big TD catch you may be thinking of was the ‘83 Eastern Final in the same play he torched the Cats with twice in the Labour Day classic that sam year. Just a straight go route from the inside.

Same route that he ran against the Ticats in the Sept. 83 game for 66 and 80 yard touchdowns I think.

[AngeloV]

Same route that he ran against the Ticats in the Sept. 83 game for 66 and 80 yard touchdowns I think.

Yes. I’ll never forget that. Brutal defensive scheme by Hamilton had MLB Ben Zambiasi covering Tolbert in man coverage.

[R.J]

From Penton's "Insiders:
https://theathletic.com/495075/2018/08/29/penton-argos-the-most-underachieving-team-of-the-first-half-while-stampeders-still-the-stampeders/


I can’t say what kind of impact Duron (Carter) will have. If he’s not likely to get on the field for three weeks, (Marc) Trestman may have kicked him off the field by then. Coach Trestman didn’t seem impressed they signed him in the interviews I saw. Duron has basically run the same system and terminology while in Saskatchewan. I don’t know why it would take him that long to play. Coach Marc sells trust, teamwork and hard work to get his players to buy in and now he brings in Duron? I don’t think he liked the idea personally. Saying he’s not playing for three weeks is showing how bothered he is by it.

In (Duron) Carter’s situation you could throw him in the lineup right away. Same system, terminology and verbiage as Saskatchewan. So Duron could play getting off the plane. If he’s not playing, there must be an internal schedule for him getting acquainted. That’s silly. You signed him for a reason. Unleash him.

It's Franklin all over again IMO.

[macspectrum]

From Penton's "Insiders:
https://theathletic.com/495075/2018/08/29/penton-argos-the-most-underachieving-team-of-the-first-half-while-stampeders-still-the-stampeders/

It's Franklin all over again IMO.

'you signed him for a reason. Unleash him.'
unleash, is a very good word
.
as the late owner of the oakland raiders said; 'just win baby !'

[Rich]

Trestman didn't get where he is without developing, and sticking with, a value system. You don't hold your helmet the right way during the anthem, you don't play on his team. I think it's pretty clear he plans to make sure Carter understands and can abide by the values before he plays.

The difference between Carter and Bomben (aside from the fact that receivers presumably have a lot more complexity to grasp in the playbook) is that no one has ever said a bad word about Bomben. Lots of people, including teammates, have said lots of bad words about Carter. So which one is more likely to abide by Trestman's value system?

A value system, by the way, that contributed strongly to winning the Grey Cup last season. We were all happy as hell to have Trestman and the Love Boat last November; now some of us would like to throw all that out to force a potentially disruptive influence into the lineup. I'm not in that group.

Of course Carter needs to learn the "Trestman Way". But it shouldn't take a month to learn, it's not the fricken Bhagavad Gita. Either he gets it or he doesn't. Wouldn't it make more sense to play him as soon as possible, and if he screws up again then simply dump his sorry ass?

[Jon Gonzo]

Paul is correct. Tolbert replacer Scott McGhee at SB for the ‘82 Grey Cup game. He caught a screen for a long TD on his first touch. The big TD catch you may be thinking of was the ‘83 Eastern Final in the same play he torched the Cats with twice in the Labour Day classic that sam year. Just a straight go route from the inside.

For the record, his bio on CFLapedia says the Argos picked up Tolbert in September of ‘82 so he waited 2 months before suiting up.

http://www.cflapedia.com/Players/t/tolbert_emanuel.htm

I remember how happy my father and I were when the Argos got 'this gift' receiver from Saskatchewan. He was quite good (troubled, but good) and that post route is burned into my head. Those were some good memories. Ironic that we may have just picked up another 'gift' from the Greenies. We'll see how it goes, but I am all eyes, ears and peaked for the possibilities.

For the record, I understand what Trestman is doing here, but if it were up to me, I'd start him. If they are worried about simplicity, just put him in the X and tell him to go long.

[AngeloV]

I remember how happy my father and I were when the Argos got 'this gift' receiver from Saskatchewan. He was quite good (troubled, but good) and that post route is burned into my head. Those were some good memories. Ironic that we may have just picked up another 'gift' from the Greenies. We'll see how it goes, but I am all eyes, ears and peaked for the possibilities.

For the record, I understand what Trestman is doing here, but if it were up to me, I'd start him. If they are worried about simplicity, just put him in the X and tell him to go long.

Can’t disagree with you. I’d love to see him start too, but my guess is the Argos are just letting him prove that he is buying into the team and not just his own accomplishments. Either way, I’m good and happy to have him here.

[macspectrum]

Can’t disagree with you. I’d love to see him start too, but my guess is the Argos are just letting him prove that he is buying into the team and not just his own accomplishments. Either way, I’m good and happy to have him here.

if argos were 6-3 the argument is 'to have him prove himself' can be understood
but at 3-6 , not so much

[ArgoGabe22]

Will Duron Carter really make a huge difference, whether we will win or lose the next two games? There are a lot of things that need improvement and for all we know, defence could get blown out by the Cats even with Carter starting on O. I think Coombs is a bigger loss, if anyone has word on his status?

[R.J]

Will Duron Carter really make a huge difference, whether we will win or lose the next two games? There are a lot of things that need improvement and for all we know, defence could get blown out by the Cats even with Carter starting on O. I think Coombs is a bigger loss, if anyone has word on his status?
Coombs will be out the next few games according to Trestman via Scianitti.

[gilthethrill]

Will Duron Carter really make a huge difference, whether we will win or lose the next two games? There are a lot of things that need improvement and for all we know, defence could get blown out by the Cats even with Carter starting on O. I think Coombs is a bigger loss, if anyone has word on his status?

I can't help but think that just having DC waiting in the wings will push the likes of Rodney Smith and perhaps Mario Alford.

[macspectrum]

Will Duron Carter really make a huge difference, whether we will win or lose the next two games? There are a lot of things that need improvement and for all we know, defence could get blown out by the Cats even with Carter starting on O. I think Coombs is a bigger loss, if anyone has word on his status?

best deep threat argos [if not cfl] have, forces d to stretch, proven he can catch the ball
of course he can affect the outcome

[ArgoGabe22]

best deep threat argos [if not cfl] have, forces d to stretch, proven he can catch the ball
of course he can affect the outcome

In theory. MBT could also get harassed all night, throw interceptions galore, etc. Alford and Smith may also have huge breakout games. There are 11 other players and I don’t think everything will be on Carter or no Carter.

If the line blocks well and gives MBT time (and Wilder can run wild), along with a good game plan from the coaches, the Argos can still win this game without Carter. If all fails, they probably deserve to lose even with a good deep threat, if Carter were to start. Then there is the defence.

While the D has tightened up a bit, I still don’t have much faith in our secondary.

I just feel there are a whole magnitude of factors for the Argos to win back to back games and there is a little bit too much focus on Carter. If the Argos are serious about making a run for 2nd place, all three phases of the game need to be spot on from here on out.

[macspectrum]

In theory. MBT could also get harassed all night, throw interceptions galore, etc. Alford and Smith may also have huge breakout games. There are 11 other players and I don’t think everything will be on Carter or no Carter.

If the line blocks well and gives MBT time (and Wilder can run wild), along with a good game plan from the coaches, the Argos can still win this game without Carter. If all fails, they probably deserve to lose even with a good deep threat, if Carter were to start. Then there is the defence.

While the D has tightened up a bit, I still don’t have much faith in our secondary.

I just feel there are a whole magnitude of factors for the Argos to win back to back games and there is a little bit too much focus on Carter. If the Argos are serious about making a run for 2nd place, all three phases of the game need to be spot on from here on out.

u think alford and smith have a better receiving record than carter ? [altho' carter has mostly played d so far]

will carter even dress? coombs is out further decimating the argos receiving corps
hard for carter to have any effect on the outcome of the games if he does not play
.
argos would be in better shape if they just beat the als
[1st drive, 1st and goal from 5 and only fg - all on trestman]

[AngeloV]

Coombs will be out the next few games according to Trestman via Scianitti.

I sure hope the Argos move Alford to Coombs spot while he is out, and shift Noel or Williams outside. That spot requires someone that can make something happen after the ball is in their hands.

[macspectrum]

I sure hope the Argos move Alford to Coombs spot while he is out, and shift Noel or Williams outside. That spot requires someone that can make something happen after the ball is in their hands.

let's see how things are in week 16

[GregR]

What I don't get is why say he won't play in the next two games? Take it one game at a time seems to make more sense and would probably go over better with the fans. If he still isn't ready in practice for the second game then announce he won't play and it looks more on him than on the coaches.

[jerrym]

Duron vows he will act professionally. However, his answers were somewhat defensive. Being as positive and generous as I can be, he will hopefully live up to his promise.



he was smiling and laughing and being goofy, all the things he is known for — until he was asked what happened.
What happened in Regina? What happened in Montreal? What happened to a college football career at Ohio State and Alabama, where he never played a game? What happened to his NFL career, when clearly he was NFL stuff? “I feel like you are asking terrible questions,” the newest Argo said. The more specific the question, the less specific the answer.

“I’ve been everywhere,” he said, sounding like a line from a famous song. “I guess nobody can pinpoint what I am doing wrong. I guess you have to ask them in a sense. I’m trying to grow up and be a man and as I grow up and be a professional, I can’t work in grey areas and non-disclosures and stuff.” ...

When asked how we would like to be perceived, now in his third stop in the CFL, his seventh place in the past 10 football seasons, he said: “It doesn’t matter to me because you can’t control how you are perceived.”
“But what if you could the write the headlines yourself, what would they say,” I asked him. “I think I do write the headlines,” he said.
And round and round we went. ...

When asked if this is his last shot, he wasn’t sure how to answer, because what talent affords in almost every professional league is more rope for the gifted. “I don’t know (if its my last shot),” said Carter. “I read an article how my CFL days were done two weeks ago. So, I couldn’t tell you. All I can do is be myself and work hard. I want to play football. And I will continue to strive to be here.”


https://torontosun.com/sports/football/cfl/toronto-argonauts/simmons-duron-carter-vows-to-act-professionally-as-an-argonaut

[Rich]

What I don't get is why say he won't play in the next two games?

Here's another possibility. Trestman wants to settle on a starting QB for the rest of the season before activating Carter.

If MBT plays like he did against Montreal and we lose again, there are good reasons to believe that Trestman will go back to Franklin for the return match at BMO. Both QBs will have started 4 games, Franklin would be 1-3 and MBT 2-2, but MBT would have had the benefit of a) weaker opponents and b) better receivers. It would only be fair to give Franklin the same benefits before making the final decision in the bye week before the Sasky game.

[Scooter McCray]

My initial thoughts after signing were great, if nothing else he can play special teams on the LDC and be at receiver for the rematch. Such an athletic talent has to get on the field. When I heard he would not play I was disappointed at first, but now I am happy with what Trestman is doing. Carter has to change his act not just for the good of the Argos but for the good of him. He has worn out his stay everywhere he has been. One of the main knocks on him is that he does not practice hard, this undoubtedly wears on teammates. If he is just given a spot and he continues with this pattern, it will be damaging to the Argos and probably finish his career.

If Duron is sincere about working hard, and he finally brings it, what the team will get on the field will be miles ahead of what he has already accomplished, and he will have earned a respected spot on the roster by his coaches and teammates. The dividends on the field will be massive. It is worth the risk of sitting him out the the next two weeks. If the Argos can split these next two games they are in the exact same spot, but will be positioned for the stretch run with one of the most dangerous players in the league fully motivated.

[macspectrum]

My initial thoughts after signing were great, if nothing else he can play special teams on the LDC and be at receiver for the rematch. Such an athletic talent has to get on the field. When I heard he would not play I was disappointed at first, but now I am happy with what Trestman is doing. Carter has to change his act not just for the good of the Argos but for the good of him. He has worn out his stay everywhere he has been. One of the main knocks on him is that he does not practice hard, this undoubtedly wears on teammates. If he is just given a spot and he continues with this pattern, it will be damaging to the Argos and probably finish his career.

If Duron is sincere about working hard, and he finally brings it, what the team will get on the field will be miles ahead of what he has already accomplished, and he will have earned a respected spot on the roster by his coaches and teammates. The dividends on the field will be massive. It is worth the risk of sitting him out the the next two weeks. If the Argos can split these next two games they are in the exact same spot, but will be positioned for the stretch run with one of the most dangerous players in the league fully motivated.

again, if argos were 6-3 trestman can experiment w/ carter
but
argos are 3-6 and trestman can ill afford 3-8 after 2 games w/ ticats having sat their best deep threat

[Scooter McCray]

again, if argos were 6-3 trestman can experiment w/ carter
but
argos are 3-6 and trestman can ill afford 3-8 after 2 games w/ ticats having sat their best deep threat No question it is a risk, but if it works to the way I described, this will be the turning point in the Argo season and position them as a dangerous team heading into the playoffs. If they just play him and he wrecks the dressing room (one of the strengths still as of now), their season will be mediocre and lost.

[R.J]

Here's another possibility. Trestman wants to settle on a starting QB for the rest of the season before activating Carter.

If MBT plays like he did against Montreal and we lose again, there are good reasons to believe that Trestman will go back to Franklin for the return match at BMO. Both QBs will have started 4 games, Franklin would be 1-3 and MBT 2-2, but MBT would have had the benefit of a) weaker opponents and b) better receivers. It would only be fair to give Franklin the same benefits before making the final decision in the bye week before the Sasky game.
I think Trestman is all in with McLeod John Baltazar Bethel-Thompson.

[Argo]

I think Trestman is all in with McLeod John Baltazar Bethel-Thompson.

That seems what "reading the tea leaves" leads one to suspect.

[paulwoods13]

Here's another possibility. Trestman wants to settle on a starting QB for the rest of the season before activating Carter.

If MBT plays like he did against Montreal and we lose again, there are good reasons to believe that Trestman will go back to Franklin for the return match at BMO. Both QBs will have started 4 games, Franklin would be 1-3 and MBT 2-2, but MBT would have had the benefit of a) weaker opponents and b) better receivers. It would only be fair to give Franklin the same benefits before making the final decision in the bye week before the Sasky game.

I don't think fairness comes into play. Trestman does not have any history of switching QBs. I think he went against his own instincts in giving Franklin first crack at replacing Ricky. I don't see MBT being sat any time soon no matter how he plays. But I also expect him to keep playing well enough to warrant keeping the job.

[AngeloV]

If MBT plays like he did against Montreal and we lose again, there are good reasons to believe that Trestman will go back to Franklin for the return match at BMO.

So in your opinion MBT played poorly against Montreal? If that is your opinion, I strongly disagree.

[AngeloV]

I sure hope the Argos move Alford to Coombs spot while he is out, and shift Noel or Williams outside. That spot requires someone that can make something happen after the ball is in their hands.


let's see how things are in week 16

I fail to see how your response had anything to do with my original post.

[macspectrum]

I fail to see how your response had anything to do with my original post.

by week 16 prognostication should see if your 'moves' bear fruit
i still think NOT playing carter for 2 weeks is a mistake
alford/noel/williams are not close comparisons to carter

[jerrym]

Chris Carter comments on his son and Marc Trestman:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Trestman one of the smartest coach I ever meet. I don&#39;t know if DC will be a better player after being coached by Marc, like me, but I know he&#39;ll be a better person after this experience like I was <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFL?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CFL</a> <a href="https://t.co/adYGL7wXUm">https://t.co/adYGL7wXUm</a></p>&mdash; Cris Carter (@criscarter80) <a href="https://twitter.com/criscarter80/status/1034949336893980678?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 29, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[macspectrum]

So in your opinion MBT played poorly against Montreal? If that is your opinion, I strongly disagree.

1st series , argos are 1st and goal from 5, to settle for fg
macbeth should have done scored a td [run short yardage offence ww/ franklin for 3 down would have scored td]
if memory serves argos were 1st and goal from 10 and again settled for fg
macbeth did not have a great game
als only scored 25 pts

[macspectrum]

So in your opinion MBT played poorly against Montreal? If that is your opinion, I strongly disagree.


scoring 22 pts ia not great vs mtl
macbeth didn't play great

[Rich]

I don't think fairness comes into play. Trestman does not have any history of switching QBs. I think he went against his own instincts in giving Franklin first crack at replacing Ricky. I don't see MBT being sat any time soon no matter how he plays. But I also expect him to keep playing well enough to warrant keeping the job.

If MBT was already the undisputed starter coach would have said so. We are still in the process of determining the starting QB of this football team. It's all about results. Franklin didn't do well so coach says MBT earned the chance, but he needs to deliver results too. You think two losses is not enough to pull him, would three be? Four?

[Rich]

So in your opinion MBT played poorly against Montreal? If that is your opinion, I strongly disagree.

No he didn't play poorly, he wasn't that bad at all. That one drive he looked fabulous, crisp passing and good decisions, I thought he was finally putting it all together. But for the rest of the game he was just OK, showing no real improvement from his previous starts. You say he is "head and shoulders" better than Franklin but i don't see it that way, and I wonder if the coaching staff honestly doesn't either. We had five 2-and-outs against Montreal and only threw two passes longer than 20 yards, and as Davis Sanchez said, that's not going to cut it in the CFL. Another performance like that against Hamilton, and we lose the game, will rightly raise some serious questions. On the other hand, I think a big performance by MBT on Monday, and a win, would probably lock in his starter status.

[paulwoods13]

If MBT was already the undisputed starter coach would have said so. We are still in the process of determining the starting QB of this football team. It's all about results. Franklin didn't do well so coach says MBT earned the chance, but he needs to deliver results too. You think two losses is not enough to pull him, would three be? Four?

If you put a loss entirely on the qb, then one loss is enough to pull him. I think you are indulging in wishful thinking, Rich. I dont see MBT being sat unless he plays way worse than his current level, which imo is well above the level Franklin played at.

I also don't see Trestman ever saying MBT (or anyone other than Ricky) is the undisputed starter. That's done only for veterans like Ricky who have unquestionably earned the status, not for young players who are still developing.

[RB957]

If MBT was already the undisputed starter coach would have said so. We are still in the process of determining the starting QB of this football team. It's all about results. Franklin didn't do well so coach says MBT earned the chance, but he needs to deliver results too. You think two losses is not enough to pull him, would three be? Four?


If you put a loss entirely on the qb, then one loss is enough to pull him. I think you are indulging in wishful thinking, Rich. I dont see MBT being sat unless he plays way worse than his current level, which imo is well above the level Franklin played at.

I also don't see Trestman ever saying MBT (or anyone other than Ricky) is the undisputed starter. That's done only for veterans like Ricky who have unquestionably earned the status, not for young players who are still developing.

At this stage of the season, my feeling is that barring injury MBT stays in - win or lose - as long as he personally is playing well, or perhaps more correctly not losing the team games. I don't believe Trestman relishes constant upheaval and uncertainty, especially at such a crucial position, and especially that we are entering the second half of the season where the team has to make a big push. He is definitely not a Chris Jones type coach who will insert and remove QB's at will. As to whether MBT or Franklin is the better choice as long term solution, I still feel that remains to be seen, and will be up for debate for some time.

[AngeloV]

scoring 22 pts ia not great vs mtl
macbeth didn't play great

I'll be sure and take your response and review it further. Maybe even respond to the same post again.

[macspectrum]

I'll be sure and take your response and review it further. Maybe even respond to the same post again.
i'm all verklempt ..... lol

[ArgoRavi]

The Rough Riders sent us Emmanuel Tolbert which bolstered the Argo drive for the Grey Cup in 81. Long time ago, but I believe he lined up immediately. Not just trades, but NFL cuts come back and start right away all the time. Arland Bruce came back from the NFL in 04 after being cut by the 49'ers and started in the Labour Day game.

Also I recall when Mookie Mitchell came back from out West for his 2nd tour, he got inserted asap.

It's not like it can't be done, and done with success, it's just that Trestman is loyal to the roster that he's chosen and has toiled in this uniform since day 1. It's certainly is not a usual tactic, but how can you argue with the coaches ability to both win and to get the respect of his teams?

Tolbert joined the Argos in the fall of 1982 and did not play until the Grey Cup game. Regardless, offences and defences are far more complex today than they were even back in 2004. Carter himself said the other day that he isn't ready to play yet.

[ArgoRavi]

Unfortunately, I believe he is spending his days in a prison cell present tense as a sex offender.

I believe Tolbert has been out of prison for several years now. He had a son while he was in Toronto - I think during his second stint in the late 1980s - who played at York and was eligible for the CFL draft a few years ago.

[Argo57]

Tolbert joined the Argos in the fall of 1982 and did not play until the Grey Cup game. Regardless, offences and defences are far more complex today than they were even back in 2004. Carter himself said the other day that he isn't ready to play yet.

Although Tolbert was very effective for the Argos I always felt bad for Scott McGhee was was replaced by Tolbert after playing the majority of the 1982 season at WR.

[gilthethrill]

Although Tolbert was very effective for the Argos I always felt bad for Scott McGhee was was replaced by Tolbert after playing the majority of the 1982 season at WR.

McGhee became a solid target for Jim Kelly for Houston of the USFL.

[Argo57]

McGhee became a solid target for Jim Kelly for Houston of the USFL.

I’m sure his familiarity with Mouse Davis’s Run and Shoot offence helped him.

[1971GreyCup]

McGhee became a solid target for Jim Kelly for Houston of the USFL..

Jim Kelly is another QB that Marc Trestman worked with at the University of Miami.

[Stevoman]

I'm not quite sure how I feel about Carter not playing over the next two games. I was definitely surprised that it was stated that he was not going to play in the re-match next week but also understand that Trestman is going through a process and perhaps continuing to humble Carter and to make sure that he is buying into the team philosophy. I greatly respect this stance but with Montreal winning last night, these next two games are crucial and I want them to field the roster that gives them the best chance to win. If the Argos lose on Monday, does the pressure start to increase?

[macspectrum]

I'm not quite sure how I feel about Carter not playing over the next two games. I was definitely surprised that it was stated that he was not going to play in the re-match next week but also understand that Trestman is going through a process and perhaps continuing to humble Carter and to make sure that he is buying into the team philosophy. I greatly respect this stance but with Montreal winning last night, these next two games are crucial and I want them to field the roster that gives them the best chance to win. If the Argos lose on Monday, does the pressure start to increase?

if argos are 6-3 then it is easier to understand trestman's actions
but at 3-6 i still think trestman is reacting to being forced to get carter

[lazycro]

If they lose a receiver to injury this week (pls no) then we would see him next week with reasoning to be able to justify

[R.J]

if argos are 6-3 then it is easier to understand trestman's actions
but at 3-6 i still think trestman is reacting to being forced to get carter
Marc Trestman has become the new Chris Rudge...

[Shatto]

There appears to be 2 commonly held interpretations, as to why Trestman is refusing to play Carter this weekend:
1) It is to give Carter enough time to learn the playbook
2) It is to provide a lesson to Cater that he has to abide by Trestman's values

At a closer look neither of these explanations seem to hold water. Surely Carter should have been able to have learned the playbook in the time since he has been signed. As far as abiding by Trestman's code, Carter will demonstrate that one way or the other over the balance of the season. If his behaviour is unacceptable then he can be suspended or released when and if he causes a problem

Is there another reason? Could it be Trestman's way of notifying one and all that he runs the team and he makes the decisions on players, not anybody else in the administration. In other words---showing he is in charge---perhaps but we will never know for sure. I have a lot of respect and admiration for Trestman but his decision on Carter does seem rather strange, considering the situation the team is in right now.

[R.J]

There appears to be 2 commonly held interpretations, as to why Trestman is refusing to play Carter this weekend:
1) It is to give Carter enough time to learn the playbook
2) It is to provide a lesson to Cater that he has to abide by Trestman's values

At a closer look neither of these explanations seem to hold water. Surely Carter should have been able to have learned the playbook in the time since he has been signed. As far as abiding by Trestman's code, Carter will demonstrate that one way or the other over the balance of the season. If his behaviour is unacceptable then he can be suspended or released when and if he causes a problem

Is there another reason? Could it be Trestman's way of notifying one and all that he runs the team and he makes the decisions on players, not anybody else in the administration. In other words---showing he is in charge---perhaps but we will never know for sure. I have a lot of respect and admiration for Trestman but his decision on Carter does seem rather strange, considering the situation the team is in right now.
#1 always confuses me when I see/hear people talk about it. The OC in Saskatchewan Stephen McAdoo runs the Trestman offence. Sure, there may be some verbiage differences, but nothing a player couldn't pick up within a week, and even if he doesn't, the QB will let him know where to be (Live mic games show this happening quite frequently actually). By all accounts Carter sitting was one of the "stipulations" he had to agree to in order for him to be accepted on Trestman's team.

[Argo57]

#1 always confuses me when I see/hear people talk about it. The OC in Saskatchewan Stephen McAdoo runs the Trestman offence. Sure, there may be some verbiage differences, but nothing a player couldn't pick up within a week, and even if he doesn't the QB will let him know where to see (Live mic games show this happening quite frequently actually). By all accounts Carter sitting was one of the "rules" he had to agree to in order for him to be accepted on Trestman's team.

In my mind it doesn’t matter at this point, crippling losses to Montreal and Hamilton respectively have all but put this issue on the back burner.
This season is hanging by a thread and will be all but over if the Argos come up short against Hamilton this Saturday (highly likely at this point).

[paulwoods13]

I don't put any stock in the idea that Carter needs the time to learn the playbook. I think this is simply Trestman's way of doing business -- new guys who sign as free agents have to wait to join the lineup. It's different for guys acquired in trades (e.g. Bomben and Striker -- the former played right away, can't recall whether the latter did). I can't off the top of my head think of anyone else who signed as a FA after camp and was immediately inserted into the lineup but perhaps I'm forgetting someone. Smith, Alford and White, to name three, all had to bide their time for at least a couple of weeks.

[ArgoGabe22]

3DN may be stretching what Trestman said. But, i'm all for it.

http://3downnation.com/2018/09/05/argos-trestman-reverses-course-on-potential-of-duron-carter-playing-against-ticats/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+3downStaff3downnation+%283+Do wn+Nation+Staff++%E2%88%9A%29

[Argo57]

3DN may be stretching what Trestman said. But, i'm all for it.

http://3downnation.com/2018/09/05/argos-trestman-reverses-course-on-potential-of-duron-carter-playing-against-ticats/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+3downStaff3downnation+%283+Do wn+Nation+Staff++%E2%88%9A%29

Get him in the lineup ASAP!

[AngeloV]

I don't put any stock in the idea that Carter needs the time to learn the playbook. I think this is simply Trestman's way of doing business -- new guys who sign as free agents have to wait to join the lineup. It's different for guys acquired in trades (e.g. Bomben and Striker -- the former played right away, can't recall whether the latter did). I can't off the top of my head think of anyone else who signed as a FA after camp and was immediately inserted into the lineup but perhaps I'm forgetting someone. Smith, Alford and White, to name three, all had to bide their time for at least a couple of weeks.

The difference with the receivers that you mentioned is that they are all new to the league. So whether it's actually earning the right to get on the field in their cases, or simply taking longer to get the nuances of the league is anyone's guess. Argos need to get Carter in ASAP. I was very disappointed in Smith's effort on the deep ball Monday. Yes, it was slightly underthrown, but he had 6 inches on that DB, and rather than going up to haul it in, he waited for the ball to reach him. That was a catchable ball, and would have been a huge gain.

[Neely2005]

3DN may be stretching what Trestman said. But, i'm all for it.

http://3downnation.com/2018/09/05/argos-trestman-reverses-course-on-potential-of-duron-carter-playing-against-ticats/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+3downStaff3downnation+%283+Do wn+Nation+Staff++%E2%88%9A%29

Good. I could understand that he might not be ready for Labour Day but there's no reason that he couldn't be ready for Saturdays game.

[Neely2005]

https://www.tsn.ca/cfl/video/sanchez-if-he-plays-carter-will-create-more-space-for-argos-receivers~1478379

[argos1873]

Yeah, well, your team is 3 and 7, and in danger of missing the playoffs. Keep the natural talent on the bench, so he learns. I'll check back in November to see how this played out.

[paulwoods13]

I was very disappointed in Smith's effort on the deep ball Monday. Yes, it was slightly underthrown, but he had 6 inches on that DB, and rather than going up to haul it in, he waited for the ball to reach him. That was a catchable ball, and would have been a huge gain.

Agreed. Smith has size and raw talent, but does not yet seem to have good instincts as a receiver.

[Neely2005]

Carter to play tomorrow:

http://3downnation.com/2018/09/07/argos-duron-carter-play-ticats-saturday-trestman/

[Shatto]

Trestman has stated Carter will be on the active roster, wont start "but is expected to se some action--possibly as a returner"

What!!! --so one of the CFL's most explosive and dangerous players is going to back up players like Alford and/or Smith but------- might get to do some returns. What a waste of talent in what promises to be a hugely crucial game. Is Trestman intentionally trying to lose? I realize that is a ridiculous question but it sure seems that way.

Hopefully this is all a smoke screen to disguise the Argo's real intention of highlighting Carter in the passing game. We will see

[Argo57]

Trestman has stated Carter will be on the active roster, wont start "but is expected to se some action--possibly as a returner"

What!!! --so one of the CFL's most explosive and dangerous players is going to back up players like Alford and/or Smith but------- might get to do some returns. What a waste of talent in what promises to be a hugely crucial game. Is Trestman intentionally trying to lose? I realize that is a ridiculous question but it sure seems that way.

Hopefully this is all a smoke screen to disguise the Argo's real intention of highlighting Carter in the passing game. We will see

Carter could walk his pass routes and still be more effective that Smith, cut the crap and get him in the lineup.

[argos1873]

Hopefully this is all a smoke screen to disguise the Argo's real intention of highlighting Carter in the passing game. We will see

This is all a smoke screen. The first part of the smoke screen was not having Carter in the lineup, and losing, so as to give the Ti-Cats a false sense of superiority so that the Argos can win on Saturday. An ingenious plan!

God, when you are 3-6 you play the guy. There's no more what ifs,because the what ifs already happened. I appreciate the fact that there may be something we really don't know that the coaching staff does, but on face value this is dumb. This is not a guy new to Canadian football, and is not a guy who hasn't played in a year. As a fan I want to know the explanation as to why this guy didn't play right away. If there is some sort of reason, then I need to question why he was signed to begin with.

[R.J]

https://theathletic.com/506660/2018/09/05/penton-live-mic-weekly-concerts-helping-to-boost-cfls-tv-ratings/

Sometimes general managers force players on us. That’s what it looks like might have happened with Duron Carter. It doesn’t make sense for Jim Popp to sign Carter and for (Marc) Trestman not to play him in the two most important games of the year. As a coach, my gut tells me Marc didn’t want him

[Argo57]

This is all a smoke screen. The first part of the smoke screen was not having Carter in the lineup, and losing, so as to give the Ti-Cats a false sense of superiority so that the Argos can win on Saturday. An ingenious plan!

God, when you are 3-6 you play the guy. There's no more what ifs,because the what ifs already happened. I appreciate the fact that there may be something we really don't know that the coaching staff does, but on face value this is dumb. This is not a guy new to Canadian football, and is not a guy who hasn't played in a year. As a fan I want to know the explanation as to why this guy didn't play right away. If there is some sort of reason, then I need to question why he was signed to begin with.

I can understand sitting Carter out last game but the plan to have him miss both Hamilton games made no sense to me at all.

[R.J]

I can understand sitting Carter out last game but the plan to have him miss both Hamilton games made no sense to me at all.
The problem IMO was that Trestman had a set pre determined date. All Trestman had to say was Carter most likely wouldn't play the first game (due to not being acclimated with the team), and keep it vague afterwards. So, say something like "we'll see where it goes from there", or something along those lines. One thing I'm finding is that it's very easy to tell who Trestman wants on his team and who he doesn't...

[argos1873]

I can understand sitting Carter out last game but the plan to have him miss both Hamilton games made no sense to me at all.

At 3-6 (before the last game) I can't understand why they sat him the first game.

[Neely2005]

At 3-6 (before the last game) I can't understand why they sat him the first game.

To learn the playbook?

[paulwoods13]

The problem IMO was that Trestman had a set pre determined date. All Trestman had to say was Carter most likely wouldn't play the first game (due to not being acclimated with the team), and keep it vague afterwards. So, say something like "we'll see where it goes from there", or something along those lines.

Yes. Trestman's mistake was in projecting something too far into the future. While he might have preferred to sit Carter for two games, any number of unforeseeable things (including injuries) could have made it necessary to dress the guy in week 2. He left himself no wiggle room, which means he now appears to have backed away from his own philosophy. Not very professorial.

[paulwoods13]

As a fan I want to know the explanation as to why this guy didn't play right away. If there is some sort of reason, then I need to question why he was signed to begin with.

We fans can want all kinds of info that we're never going to get. I wanted to know why they cut Cory Boyd in 2012 -- no explanation was ever forthcoming, and no explanation of this one will be forthcoming, either. We may buy the tickets that keep the team in business, but management is not directly accountable to fans.

[Neely2005]

http://3downnation.com/2018/09/10/duron-carter-feels-the-love-and-wants-to-play-harder-for-argos-coach/

[AngeloV]

I think Trestman made another huge mistake in not starting Carter on Saturday. Even if he ran simple clearing routes all game, he would have taken away defenders and opened things up for the guys underneath all game, with the opportunity to maybe connect on a deep ball.

[ArgoGabe22]

Last play he was in in, he looked lost, got tangled with Green and had no idea the ball was coming his way.

[R.J]

I think Trestman made another huge mistake in not starting Carter on Saturday. Even if he ran simple clearing routes all game, he would have taken away defenders and opened things up for the guys underneath all game, with the opportunity to maybe connect on a deep ball.
Should hve just started him instead of Smith IMO.