QBs, so ...

[bluto]

Never thought I'd be hoping for a Dane Evans & Chad Kelly platoon... but here we are.

[Antwon]

Well it would have been nice if he decided last week! The Argos could have forced him to decide then, but I assume they want to leave the back door open if he doesn't get an NFL shot and we're in a bad spot with QB by Labour day. Looking forward to Kelly taking it to the next level!

[Scooter McCray]

I would be open to Dane Evans coming here to compete. He is young. He has led his teams to 2 Grey Cup appearances. He has the opportunity to get back at the team that turned its back on him I the year they host the Grey Cup. There is a ton of motivation there. I like Chad Kelly, and think he is ready for primetime. But it's a long season and injuries happen. Look at the Grey Cup game. It took 2 QBs to win. Am I right in assuming Hamilton needs to release him at some point because they can't carry his contract?

[Antwon]

I would be open to Dane Evans coming here to compete. He is young. He has led his teams to 2 Grey Cup appearances. He has the opportunity to get back at the team that turned its back on him I the year they host the Grey Cup. There is a ton of motivation there. I like Chad Kelly, and think he is ready for primetime. But it's a long season and injuries happen. Look at the Grey Cup game. It took 2 QBs to win. Am I right in assuming Hamilton needs to release him at some point because they can't carry his contract?

I thought I read Evans does not have any bonus payment until training camp. So the Cats could hold on to him till then.

[Scooter McCray]

I thought I read Evans does not have any bonus payment until training camp. So the Cats could hold on to him till then.That's what I thought,otherwise they would have already. That's okay. I'm sure his preference would be to come here. It's not a massive move, gets to play against Hamilton alot, contender, etc...

[bluto]

Well it would have been nice if he decided last week! The Argos could have forced him to decide then, but I assume they want to leave the back door open if he doesn't get an NFL shot and we're in a bad spot with QB by Labour day. Looking forward to Kelly taking it to the next level!

We don't know that he didn't.

[paulwoods13]

We don't know that he didn't.

We also don't know that he had an offer on the table last week. I imagine the USFL does not factor CFL free agency into its operations.

[paulwoods13]

I thought I read Evans does not have any bonus payment until training camp. So the Cats could hold on to him till then.

They are likely to hold him hostage until the last minute, to keep him out of Toronto's clutches and prevent him from learning the Argo playbook during the off-season. It's a nasty way to treat a guy who a year earlier was the face of the franchise, but I guess that's what he faces at this point. Players will notice this, and at some point someone's gonna turn down an offer from Hamilton because of it. What goes around comes around.

[AngeloV]

They are likely to hold him hostage until the last minute, to keep him out of Toronto's clutches and prevent him from learning the Argo playbook during the off-season. It's a nasty way to treat a guy who a year earlier was the face of the franchise, but I guess that's what he faces at this point. Players will notice this, and at some point someone's gonna turn down an offer from Hamilton because of it. What goes around comes around.

It's very nasty, and really unnecessary. The learning the playbook aspect is not a big issue. He's not new to the league. I mean how long did it take ZC to step in and have success with Winnipeg in 2019? Same with Vernon Adams in BC last year. The nasty aspect is the treatment of the player who now has to wait to find housing in whatever city he ends up with and closing out any personal business he may have before camp. It just adds a lot of unnecessary stress on the player.

[OV Argo]

Could the Pussycats play real nasty with Evans, and, CFL teams who might want him, by placing him on the 6 game IR to start the season? Maybe not if he does not participate in Ticat TC ?

More likely, they play a waiting game and maybe try to get something in a trade for him come closer to reg. season ?

["Issues"Mcgee]

With MBT's departure the Argos have reached a critical time. The team is fresh off a Cup win and attendance looks like it is slowly trending upward again. So we have success both on and off the field.

The team has all the tools they need to keep playing at a high level, the biggest question now is at QB. Is Chad Kelly a contender or a pretender? Will he bring fans to the game as has been previously implied? Can the team bring in a competent backup?

Immediate success this coming season will be crucial. There could be a lot of opportunity this year and the team needs to seize it.

[Scooter McCray]

With MBT's departure the Argos have reached a critical time. The team is fresh off a Cup win and attendance looks like it is slowly trending upward again. So we have success both on and off the field.

The team has all the tools they need to keep playing at a high level, the biggest question now is at QB. Is Chad Kelly a contender or a pretender? Will he bring fans to the game as has been previously implied? Can the team bring in a competent backup?

Immediate success this coming season will be crucial. There could be a lot of opportunity this year and the team needs to seize it.I have faith in Pinball, Magri, and Barker to fill the role of QB. The track record of MLSE managing the business side of this team is abysmal. They have a part time President, who cares about the soccer team more.

[paulwoods13]

Could the Pussycats play real nasty with Evans, and, CFL teams who might want him, by placing him on the 6 game IR to start the season? Maybe not if he does not participate in Ticat TC ?


They could try that, but the risk of it blowing up in their faces is real. Evans reports to camp and says publicly, "I'm being held hostage by an organization that loved me a year ago and now hates me." Wouldn't that look good on Bob Young and Scott Mitchell? Also, if he reports to camp he gets a big bonus, which as far as I know would not be able to be saved under the SMS, in contrast to six game cheques that fall outside it when a player is on IR.

I believe they will wait as long as they can, possibly to the eve of camp, before releasing him. Unless Argos get panicky about having only Holmes as a fallback to Kelly. I imagine Toronto will try to sign one of Prukop or Pipkin or O'Connor in the meantime, just in case Evans doesn't shake loose for some reason.

[bluto]

I just doubt that any of todays news about MBT comes as a surprise to our GM-By-Committee, Evans or the TiCats.

The Ticats knew that they weren't keeping him and having $1M of salary in 2 QBs. There's likely already a deal or an understanding in place and they were just waiting on MBT's official announcement (which was after the Henoc announcement) before the final "big" news.

[SkalbaniasGhost]

Mike O'Connor should be signed regardless of the situation with Evans.The guy deserves a chance to play in this league.

[OV Argo]

Mike O'Connor should be signed regardless of the situation with Evans.The guy deserves a chance to play in this league.


Why wouldn't that signing have happened by now ?

NO CFL teams are interested in a Canadian trained / U Sports QB (unless the guy is an "athlete" who runs a 4.4 forty like Tre Ford); the GOBs would rather roll with every/any US QB they can drag up here. Mac QB Andreas Dueck is coming off 3 seasons as a starter with very good passing stats and all-star recognition, and has pro QB size. He will be ignored or shunned like Vanier winning QB Adam Sinagra of the Dinos was by the GOB club. What possible excuse do any of the CFL teams who have need for TC QB competition (all of them pretty well) have for not signing O'Connor now (or Sinagra or Dueck) for a TC look ?

[paulwoods13]

Why wouldn't that signing have happened by now ?

Because he wants too much money? Because he isn't sure he's playing in 2023? Because he has signed but it hasn't been announced? The point is, there are many possible reasons why O'Connor is apparently not under contract anywhere, and not all of them are GOB conspiracies.

[OV Argo]

Because he wants too much money? Because he isn't sure he's playing in 2023? Because he has signed but it hasn't been announced? The point is, there are many possible reasons why O'Connor is apparently not under contract anywhere, and not all of them are GOB conspiracies.

Ahhh; the good ole "what conspiracy" card. Well played Mauer.

[Skilz]

O'Connor obviously coudn't compete with Rourke in BC. - he also had his shots in Calgary. Cream rises to the top. If he was worthy, he would have flashed by now.

Getting back to the realistic possibilities, if and when Evans is cut, the Argos would be best to sign him to a 2 year deal - knowing that Kelly will be a FA after this season. Having both Qb's on a 1 year deal would be a recipe for disaster.

[paulwoods13]

Ahhh; the good ole "what conspiracy" card. Well played Mauer.

You're welcome. I know you would never deign to pull out an old trope, of course.

[Shatto]

Evans will get $170,000 at the beginning of training camp. Hamilton will not pay him that money so they must release him but could wait right up to training camp. Unless there is a complete surprise the Argos know Kelly will be their starting QB regardless of what is said about QBs competing for the position in training camp. So Evans or whoever else is signed will be the backup. Not that backups are unimportant, as we all know injuries can radically change the situation but I don't see the Argos trading for Evans unless it is something like a 7th round draft choice.

Hopefully the Argos hold their nerve and wait till Evans is released or they sign another QB who has some potential.

[OV Argo]

O'Connor obviously coudn't compete with Rourke in BC. - he also had his shots in Calgary. Cream rises to the top. If he was worthy, he would have flashed by now.

Getting back to the realistic possibilities, if and when Evans is cut, the Argos would be best to sign him to a 2 year deal - knowing that Kelly will be a FA after this season. Having both Qb's on a 1 year deal would be a recipe for disaster.


O'Connor had zero playing time as far as his "shot" in Calgary; he was listed as #2 behind Mitchell but when push came to shove, it was #3 Maier who got the call to replace Bo (and maybe the best call since Maier played very well). There will be no rising to "the top" without significant playing time and reps - for any player. Maybe Chad Kelly does next season for the Argos.

[Antwon]

Getting back to the realistic possibilities, if and when Evans is cut, the Argos would be best to sign him to a 2 year deal - knowing that Kelly will be a FA after this season. Having both Qb's on a 1 year deal would be a recipe for disaster.

Does anyone think the Argos try and get Kelly to sign an extension with a bonus for doing so? He would still have the NFL window if any teams were interested.

[Rich]

O'Connor obviously coudn't compete with Rourke in BC. - he also had his shots in Calgary. Cream rises to the top. If he was worthy, he would have flashed by now.


You gotta be careful about giving up too early on a guy. MBT played the best football of his life at 34. I agree O’Connor deserves another shot, and if for some reason we can’t land Evans, I would be willing to roll the dice with O’Connor at #2, so long as we have a top-level prospect at #3.

[ArgoRavi]

Does anyone think the Argos try and get Kelly to sign an extension with a bonus for doing so? He would still have the NFL window if any teams were interested.

I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility but I wonder how much money is available right now after most of the free agents have been signed.

[Mocha]

Mike O'Connor should be signed regardless of the situation with Evans.The guy deserves a chance to play in this league.

I'd certainly bring O"Connor in to compete at TC. It's not as though the Argos have any established CFL QBs now that MBT is gone. And bringing in Evans would be a positive, but he was very unreliable last season, so I don't think the club should be just handing him a position if he doesn't earn it at camp.

[bluto]

If it works out to be:
-Evans, playing to entrench himself as a legit CFL #1 on a team who's roster is set up for a run to be Eastern Champions again... which is why Hamilton would likely rather wait till 11:59pm the day before training camp opens to release him than get a late round draft pick from us to do it now.
-Kelly, playing in his contract year as a #2, wanting his shot at being a #1 next season or to attract a big contract down south. He'd also be behind a guy who may stumble, so it's attractive as #2 spots go.
-O'Connor, a 26 year old with CFL back up experience who may yet get his shot

Then I'd take that.

Can't really see anything available, or on our Neg list, that would be an upgrade on that platoon. QBs get hurt and I'd say that a QB starting 18 games is the exception not the rule.

[AngeloV]

I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility but I wonder how much money is available right now after most of the free agents have been signed.

It doesn't matter Ravi. The yahoo's from rest of the country believe that the Argos would get no penalty for breaking the cap as mandated by the Toronto Sports Network.

[Will]

It doesn't matter Ravi. The yahoo's from rest of the country believe that the Argos would get no penalty for breaking the cap as mandated by the Toronto Sports Network.

I noticed the other day that 3Down writer Ryan Ballantine discussed Hamilton and the salary cap, but the language was much more neutral and discussed the cap as a luxury tax.

[bluto]

So Evans goes to the Leos...

Chad Kelly is our de facto starter.
I don't know how to feel about this.

[ArgoGabe22]

What I find strange is that everyone thought Kelly would get no NFL looks at age 28 going to 29 but MBT got teams knocking on the door, given his age. Only argument that Kelly isn't close to being NFL bound is that he hasn't proven anything. But if he has one year left and is decent, what's stopping teams showing some interest (other than attitude/behavior) .

[gilthethrill]

What I find strange is that everyone thought Kelly would get no NFL looks at age 28 going to 29 but MBT got teams knocking on the door, given his age. Only argument that Kelly isn't close to being NFL bound is that he hasn't proven anything. But if he has one year left and is decent, what's stopping teams showing some interest (other than attitude/behavior) .

If MBT has NFL teams knocking at his door, why did he sign a USFL contract and not an NFL contract when he became a CFL FA?

[OV Argo]

OMG - Dane Evans traded to BC; what can we possibly do / no other QBs out there what-so-ever. The Argos are doomed; scuttled on the rocks and sunk. ;o)

[paulwoods13]

What I find strange is that everyone thought Kelly would get no NFL looks at age 28 going to 29 but MBT got teams knocking on the door, given his age. Only argument that Kelly isn't close to being NFL bound is that he hasn't proven anything. But if he has one year left and is decent, what's stopping teams showing some interest (other than attitude/behavior) .

I don't believe anyone said NFL teams were knocking on MBT's door. But yes, if Kelly has a great year, I believe he could garner some NFL interest. Even moreso if either Rourke or MBT (or both) plays in the NFL this year.

[paulwoods13]

At this point, we are going into the season with the least experience we've had at QB since 2010, if memory serves. And the least experience of any CFL team at the moment. It would be a considerable experiment to see if a guy with fewer than 100 CFL snaps can take the reins and make the horses gallop. I think he might be able to, but if he were to get hurt or otherwise fail, I don't want to rely on a guy with zero CFL snaps on his resume. Unfortunately the pickings are now rather slim. Pipkin has the most game experience, Prukop has been in the league longest but hasn't played much, and O'Connor had tantalizing potential at one point but seems to have fallen out of favour around the league. We better keep Kelly upright and hope he is as good as he thinks he is.

[Antwon]

If MBT has NFL teams knocking at his door, why did he sign a USFL contract and not an NFL contract when he became a CFL FA?

I read the teams that reached out to him didn't offer any signing money. My guess is he plays in the XFL, makes some money and get some more game tape. Then free to go into NFL training camp. As for the age thing, I don't think the naysayers look at the big picture. A LOT of NFL backup QB's played last year. Just look at who SF had backing up Purdy. Johnson was a stiff and he's 36 and been in the NFL 8 years! Have to think some teams may look at MBT with lots of current starts would be a better fit to step in.

[ArgoGabe22]

I don't believe anyone said NFL teams were knocking on MBT's door. But yes, if Kelly has a great year, I believe he could garner some NFL interest. Even moreso if either Rourke or MBT (or both) plays in the NFL this year.

Naylor mentioned 3 NFL teams inquired about MBT but did not offer anything guaranteed.

[Antwon]

At this point, we are going into the season with the least experience we've had at QB since 2010, if memory serves. And the least experience of any CFL team at the moment. It would be a considerable experiment to see if a guy with fewer than 100 CFL snaps can take the reins and make the horses gallop. I think he might be able to, but if he were to get hurt or otherwise fail, I don't want to rely on a guy with zero CFL snaps on his resume. Unfortunately the pickings are now rather slim. Pipkin has the most game experience, Prukop has been in the league longest but hasn't played much, and O'Connor had tantalizing potential at one point but seems to have fallen out of favour around the league. We better keep Kelly upright and hope he is as good as he thinks he is.

But wouldn't that be the story of the year for Toronto and the CFL. If Kelly plays to his potential and has a good year. We seen it with Rourke when the system catered to his strengths. And remember a QB delivering Frito Lay, then starting for Edmonton. We can hope!

["Issues"Mcgee]

At this point, we are going into the season with the least experience we've had at QB since 2010, if memory serves. And the least experience of any CFL team at the moment. It would be a considerable experiment to see if a guy with fewer than 100 CFL snaps can take the reins and make the horses gallop. I think he might be able to, but if he were to get hurt or otherwise fail, I don't want to rely on a guy with zero CFL snaps on his resume. Unfortunately the pickings are now rather slim. Pipkin has the most game experience, Prukop has been in the league longest but hasn't played much, and O'Connor had tantalizing potential at one point but seems to have fallen out of favour around the league. We better keep Kelly upright and hope he is as good as he thinks he is.

I am far more confident in the Argos situation at QB than I was when James Franklin was named starter.

[SkalbaniasGhost]

What I find strange is that everyone thought Kelly would get no NFL looks at age 28 going to 29 but MBT got teams knocking on the door, given his age. Only argument that Kelly isn't close to being NFL bound is that he hasn't proven anything. But if he has one year left and is decent, what's stopping teams showing some interest (other than attitude/behavior) .
He's in the driver seat right now and he is driving towards the horizon.

[SkalbaniasGhost]

If MBT has NFL teams knocking at his door, why did he sign a USFL contract and not an NFL contract when he became a CFL FA?
MBT has to see the lay of the NFL land come May.The NFL is going to discuss forcing teams to carry 3 QBs on the game day roster(See the SF 49ers playoff game).This will create 32 new jobs dedicated to the qb position.The NFL owners meeting is at the end of March and the issue will be addressed then.MBT can get salary and pension points.(even as a PR player). It makes all the sense in the world.

[gilthethrill]

I read the teams that reached out to him didn't offer any signing money. My guess is he plays in the XFL, makes some money and get some more game tape. Then free to go into NFL training camp. As for the age thing, I don't think the naysayers look at the big picture. A LOT of NFL backup QB's played last year. Just look at who SF had backing up Purdy. Johnson was a stiff and he's 36 and been in the NFL 8 years! Have to think some teams may look at MBT with lots of current starts would be a better fit to step in.

I was absolutely stunned when I saw Josh Johnson on the field for the 49ers playoff game. I figured the NFL had moved on from him. Interesting point you mentioned is that Johnson has been in the league for 8 years. That makes it easy for a very QB desperate team to call him up as opposed to a QB who has been out of the league for several years such as MBT.
As for MBT I hope he doesn’t get hurt playing in a lousy system in New Orleans (Birmingham) behind a semi pro O Line. If his partner’s employment situation changes, who knows, maybe he returns to the CFL in 2024 and is able to bring his young family with him.

[Shatto]

Now that the Evans option is off the table, it is time to look at the other options for adding a 3rd QB. It appear to come down to O'Connor or some unknown American QB the team has been looking at in the last while. Unless there an exceptional American QB who has fallen through the NFL cracks, I'd go for O'Connor.

[ArgoRavi]

If Swag Kelly is as good as he thinks and claims that he is - and I truly hope that he is - then he couldn't ask for a better situation to prove himself. He has an excellent team around him - defence, offensive line, receivers, and running backs - plus an excellent coaching staff. It's sink or swim time for him and I am optimistic that he will do the latter.

[Rich]

Losing Evans hurts, no doubt about it. I said I was prepared to roll the dice with O’Connor at #2, and I am, but it’s gonna make me nervous every game given Kelly’s physical style of play.

Any chance we trade for an experienced guy for the #2 slot? How about for the guy who doesn’t start in Ottawa, whoever it will be? I’d love to see Mazoli mentor both Kelly and the #3 prospect, wonder what it would cost to get him? We know Pinball loves the aging stars, right?

[Argo57]

Worst case scenario has played out unfortunately, I have no issue with Chad Kelly’s potential but expecting him to perform at a high level (and stay healthy) over an 18 game schedule is a huge gamble.
If he struggles badly or gets hurt the Argos are in big trouble.

[gilthethrill]

Worst case scenario has played out unfortunately, I have no issue with Chad Kelly’s potential but expecting him to perform at a high level (and stay healthy) over an 18 game schedule is a huge gamble.
If he struggles badly or gets hurt the Argos are in big trouble.

Not to worry. I thinks Evans to BC will make OVs favourite QB available….Dom Davis who recently signed there as a FA.

[Argo57]

Not to worry. I thinks Evans to BC will make OVs favourite QB available….Dom Davis who recently signed there as a FA.

Are Jimmy Franklin or Cleo Lemon busy these days?

[bluto]

OK, had a night to sleep on it.

Still do not feel good about this. It isn't that I don't think that Chad Kelly could become a frontline starting CFL QB. It's that he isn't one. Yes, the club's Player Personnel department know way more than I do about who has it in them to run our offence effectively. And Dinwiddie knows the QB position very well. But these guys have been wrong before (Arbuckle) and are going into a season to defend the championship with their chosen QB having had, as previously mentioned, less than 100 snaps, and nobody as yet behind him in case of injury or inefficacy.

Look at what these guys in our GM triumvirate put together this off season, it is a roster that won a GC and then was strengthened. It was ready to roll to the Eastern final. But the most crucial decision at the most crucial position now has us all hoping and praying. Feels like our Plan B (or C!) has become our Plan A.
Like if Team Red Bull built the best car in Formula 1 and Verstappen leaves them and they just give the keys to a promising driver who has only been in one F1 race.

I hope that my concerns prove to be unjustified... but here we are. Maybe I ought to be happy that now we have a big story with big question marks and uncertainty to stay tuned for. I'll be so happy if Chad Kelly makes me eat my words on this one.

[Scooter McCray]

OK, had a night to sleep on it.

Still do not feel good about this. It isn't that I don't think that Chad Kelly could become a frontline starting CFL QB. It's that he isn't one. Yes, the club's Player Personnel department know way more than I do about who has it in them to run our offence effectively. And Dinwiddie knows the QB position very well. But these guys have been wrong before (Arbuckle) and are going into a season to defend the championship with their chosen QB having had, as previously mentioned, less than 100 snaps, and nobody as yet behind him in case of injury or inefficacy.

Look at what these guys in our GM triumvirate put together this off season, it is a roster that won a GC and then was strengthened. It was ready to roll to the Eastern final. But the most crucial decision at the most crucial position now has us all hoping and praying. Feels like our Plan B (or C!) has become our Plan A.
Like if Team Red Bull built the best car in Formula 1 and Verstappen leaves them and they just give the keys to a promising driver who has only been in one F1 race.

I hope that my concerns prove to be unjustified... but here we are. Maybe I ought to be happy that now we have a big story with big question marks and uncertainty to stay tuned for. I'll be so happy if Chad Kelly makes me eat my words on this one.I'm sure this was how BC Lions fans felt one year ago. It's a good thing that Kelly is in town with his teammates. I'm sure he is putting in the work the way Nathan Rourke did. It's not lost on him the opportunity he has with as you mentioned a championship roster all around him. It doesn't get any better than this for a QB. The Argo braintrust need to go find some more young talent to back him up. If an injury occurs like happened in BC, they could then trade for Evans or Arbuckle, etc...

[Tobin Rote]

MBT is obviously having a very hard time letting go of his NFL dream. It gives me no pleasure to say this... but if he honestly thinks that he's getting an NFL contract in his mid-thirties and with a very limited record of playing success, he's quite delusional. I know that I'm in the minority on this... but I also didn't appreciate the fact that he advised the Argos of his future plans after all of the other CFL QB options had been signed by other teams. If he wanted to stay in the US that badly (and I would consider signing a USFL contract to be evidence of wanting it badly), he should have just said so a month ago.

[Will]

I won't fault MBT for the dream (no matter how unlikely it may seem).


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ryan Dinwiddie says <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Argos?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Argos</a> were aware of Mcleod Bethel Thompson’s decision and weren’t surprised nor did it affect team’s FA approach. Dinwiddie says Toronto is ready to give Chad Kelly the chance to be a starter.<br>“We feel good about Chad. Chad is our guy.” <a href="https://twitter.com/TSN_Sports?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TSN_Sports</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/CFLonTSN?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CFLonTSN</a></p>&mdash; Matthew Scianitti (@TSNScianitti) <a href="https://twitter.com/TSNScianitti/status/1628840078297505792?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 23, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[AngeloV]

MBT is obviously having a very hard time letting go of his NFL dream. It gives me no pleasure to say this... but if he honestly thinks that he's getting an NFL contract in his mid-thirties and with a very limited record of playing success, he's quite delusional. I know that I'm in the minority on this... but I also didn't appreciate the fact that he advised the Argos of his future plans after all of the other CFL QB options had been signed by other teams. If he wanted to stay in the US that badly (and I would consider signing a USFL contract to be evidence of wanting it badly), he should have just said so a month ago.

Ah yes. Th hate for MBT continues.

[AngeloV]

Worst case scenario has played out unfortunately, I have no issue with Chad Kelly’s potential but expecting him to perform at a high level (and stay healthy) over an 18 game schedule is a huge gamble.
If he struggles badly or gets hurt the Argos are in big trouble.

I think this is a big reason why the Argos are bringing back both Harris and Oulette in the backfield. A strong threat in the run game will make life easier for inexperienced QB’s. I expect to see the Argos do a lot of RPO action this year.

["Issues"Mcgee]

Ah yes. Th hate for MBT continues.

A few people on these boards were extremely critical of Chad Kelly seeking NFL opportunities. We had to read about how it will never happen and that Chad Kelly is in it for himself with no interest to lead the Argos whatsoever. His ego is so large he has delusional fantasies of playing in the NFL, etc.

I think the criticism of MBT is only fair considering he did exactly what Kelly was accused of but instead is receiving praise for being a family man and a Saint.

[Rich]

but I also didn't appreciate the fact that he advised the Argos of his future plans after all of the other CFL QB options had been signed by other teams. If he wanted to stay in the US that badly (and I would consider signing a USFL contract to be evidence of wanting it badly), he should have just said so a month ago.

In retrospect it looks like there is no way Hamilton was ever gonna let Evans come to the Argos, regardless of when MBT made his decision.

Naylor is reporting that Evans renegotiated his contract with the Lions down to $130k (from $450k), which makes me wonder why the Cats could not move him sooner. Was it just to fool the Argos into thinking they had a shot at him?

[AngeloV]

A few people on these boards were extremely critical of Chad Kelly seeking NFL opportunities. We had to read about how it will never happen and that Chad Kelly is in it for himself with no interest to lead the Argos whatsoever. His ego is so large he has delusional fantasies of playing in the NFL, etc.

I think the criticism of MBT is only fair considering he did exactly what Kelly was accused of but instead is receiving praise for being a family man and a Saint.

And I was not impressed with those comments about Kelly at the time either and made that known.

[Argo57]

A few people on these boards were extremely critical of Chad Kelly seeking NFL opportunities. We had to read about how it will never happen and that Chad Kelly is in it for himself with no interest to lead the Argos whatsoever. His ego is so large he has delusional fantasies of playing in the NFL, etc.

I think the criticism of MBT is only fair considering he did exactly what Kelly was accused of but instead is receiving praise for being a family man and a Saint.

MBT has been a solid durable performer who fulfilled his contract and decided to move on, disappointing he didn’t return….yes, deserving criticism and vitriol….no.

[Shatto]

In retrospect it looks like there is no way Hamilton was ever gonna let Evans come to the Argos, regardless of when MBT made his decision.

Naylor is reporting that Evans renegotiated his contract with the Lions down to $130k (from $450k), which makes me wonder why the Cats could not move him sooner. Was it just to fool the Argos into thinking they had a shot at him?

Argo management probably expected Hamilton would do all it could to prevent Evans coming to Toronto. I would imagine they have looked at options for bringing in another QB and we should hear something in the near future.

[ArgoRavi]

A few people on these boards were extremely critical of Chad Kelly seeking NFL opportunities. We had to read about how it will never happen and that Chad Kelly is in it for himself with no interest to lead the Argos whatsoever. His ego is so large he has delusional fantasies of playing in the NFL, etc.

I think the criticism of MBT is only fair considering he did exactly what Kelly was accused of but instead is receiving praise for being a family man and a Saint.

To be fair, I suspect that there is slightly more NFL interest in MBT than there is in Kelly currently (which is likely 0.0).

[paulwoods13]

A few people on these boards were extremely critical of Chad Kelly seeking NFL opportunities. We had to read about how it will never happen and that Chad Kelly is in it for himself with no interest to lead the Argos whatsoever. His ego is so large he has delusional fantasies of playing in the NFL, etc.

I think the criticism of MBT is only fair considering he did exactly what Kelly was accused of but instead is receiving praise for being a family man and a Saint.

I was one of the most outspoken critics of Kelly, altho I don't recall personally saying some of those things. But MBT did not not do exactly the same thing Kelly was accused of, to use your words. While under contract to the Argos, Kelly spoke publicly about both becoming the Argos' starting QB and wanting to go to the NFL. MBT was not under contract and said nothing publicly until he decided to leave and pursue opportunities in the U.S. Both guys want to be in the NFL, as does every other player in the CFL, but how they went about pursuing this desire was very different from one another.

[OV Argo]

To be fair, I suspect that there is slightly more NFL interest in MBT than there is in Kelly currently (which is likely 0.0).


To be fair also, Kelly is younger and was once a much higher rated NFL QB prospect in US college ball than MBT was. I doubt either end up on an NFL roster soon, but you never know.

And meanwhile, the Jacksonville Jaguars have signed their current #2 QB to a contract extension; which may (or may not) signal something about Nathan Rourke's prospects there ? (word was he did not want to bide his time as a #3 type prospect?)

[OV Argo]

Argo management probably expected Hamilton would do all it could to prevent Evans coming to Toronto. I would imagine they have looked at options for bringing in another QB and we should hear something in the near future.

Can't wait for NFL TC cuts, though there might be some off-season QB cuts there; top US college ball QBs will wait till the NFL draft and FA signings happen.

Have to look far & wide - to get a QB or two signed for TC - one would think?

[Shatto]

Dinwiddie has stated they would be looking for QBs that match Kelly's physical skillset. Perhaps a player like Prukop?

[Rich]

Dinwiddie has stated they would be looking for QBs that match Kelly's physical skillset. Perhaps a player like Prukop?

Prukop’s gone to the X. Ben Grant mentioned Nate Stanley, who’s an intriguing prospect but he’s a 6’4 pocket passer nothing like Kelly.

There’s a great interview with Coach D on 3Down, he says there will be as many as 4 new QBs in camp. He talks about how the Kelly offence will have him on the move and making throws from the edge. And he also talks at length about Kelly’s leadership and competitiveness; it looks like there will be no dropoff in those departments at QB this year.

[Antwon]

To be fair, I suspect that there is slightly more NFL interest in MBT than there is in Kelly currently (which is likely 0.0).

The funny thing here is he signed with the USFL to be closer to family. And he wants another kick at the NFL. So a team signs him probably with minimal money up front. That team could be across the country. And if he makes the roster, we all know the NFL then owns you. He'd be away from his family again.

[Antwon]

I think this is a big reason why the Argos are bringing back both Harris and Oulette in the backfield. A strong threat in the run game will make life easier for inexperienced QB’s. I expect to see the Argos do a lot of RPO action this year.

I agree 100%. The Argos are a strong team all around. And having a good punishing run game takes pressure off Kelly in that he doesn't have to do everything.

[OV Argo]

I agree 100%. The Argos are a strong team all around. And having a good punishing run game takes pressure off Kelly in that he doesn't have to do everything.

Yep - in theory - like to see it happen - we shall see.

Argos were dead last in the league last year in both rushing yards & rushing attempts.

[paulwoods13]

The funny thing here is he signed with the USFL to be closer to family. And he wants another kick at the NFL. So a team signs him probably with minimal money up front. That team could be across the country. And if he makes the roster, we all know the NFL then owns you. He'd be away from his family again.

This suggests he would happily accept a contract (regardless of how lucrative, or not) with an NFL team located far from his family. IMO that is extremely unlikely. Regardless, it's his life and he is gonna do what he believes is best for him and his family. Right now that means leaving good (albeit Cdn) dollars on the table to play in an upstart league where he can be close to his family. After that runs its course in five months, I imagine he will continue doing whatever he believes is best for him and his family.

[paulwoods13]

Yep - in theory - like to see it happen - we shall see.

Argos were dead last in the league last year in both rushing yards & rushing attempts.

The Argos had basically no running game until the last four or five weeks of the season, IIRC. Basically once Hunter got ensconced at LG. Hopefully this year they can build on that cohesion and become more effective running the ball. It would help if their tackles stayed healthy, of course.

[OV Argo]

The Argos had basically no running game until the last four or five weeks of the season, IIRC. Basically once Hunter got ensconced at LG. Hopefully this year they can build on that cohesion and become more effective running the ball. It would help if their tackles stayed healthy, of course.

Yet, pretty well most O-line wisdom says it is easier for O-linemen to run block and they enjoy that more. This is way more to do with offensive philosophy and thinking rather than playing to offensive strengths, IMO. You would think the coaching staff learned from the better ground game that helped paved the way to a GC win, AND get that it can help take pressure off a young QB. Could be a good time to see what young Adebobye can bring to the run game to go along with the talented duo of Harris & AJ - that would show faith in the run and diversity. But we shall see - seeing is believing for me in football - talk is another thing.

[paulwoods13]

Yet, pretty well most O-line wisdom says it is easier for O-linemen to run block and they enjoy that more. This is way more to do with offensive philosophy and thinking rather than playing to offensive strengths, IMO. You would think the coaching staff learned from the better ground game that helped paved the way to a GC win, AND get that it can help take pressure off a young QB. Could be a good time to see what young Adebobye can bring to the run game to go along with the talented duo of Harris & AJ - that would show faith in the run and diversity. But we shall see - seeing is believing for me in football - talk is another thing.

I think most o-line wisdom also says you need cohesion. The o-line had many configurations last season, including three different left tackles, a raw rookie for much of the season at LG and a weak link for a few games at RT. I don't disagree that the offensive philosophy might have been too pass-oriented, but I didn't see much evidence of success when they did run the ball until the home stretch.

[Rich]

I think most o-line wisdom also says you need cohesion. The o-line had many configurations last season, including three different left tackles, a raw rookie for much of the season at LG and a weak link for a few games at RT. I don't disagree that the offensive philosophy might have been too pass-oriented, but I didn't see much evidence of success when they did run the ball until the home stretch.

Yeah how many times did we see both Harris and Ouellette fighting like hell for 5 or 6 or 7 yards completely on their own with no help from the hogs. Dinwiddie stuck with it even when it wasn’t working, which was to his credit in the big picture. Part of the problem was statistical, IIRC the Argos didn’t have a single run from scrimmage longer than 20 yds, and most teams have a few of those to pad the stats.

Incidentally they haven’t officially announced Harris’ re-signing yet. Are one or both of the parties having second thoughts?

[Tobin Rote]

Ah yes. Th hate for MBT continues.

It certainly isn't hate... I'm just not all that impressed. I'm equally unimpressed if we head into next season without any experience in the QB room.

[AngeloV]

It certainly isn't hate... I'm just not all that impressed. I'm equally unimpressed if we head into next season without any experience in the QB room.

Not impressed with a QB that led the league in passing yards and his team to the Grey Cup. Taking a whole new level to the not easily impressed thing.

[Will]

Yeah how many times did we see both Harris and Ouellette fighting like hell for 5 or 6 or 7 yards completely on their own with no help from the hogs. Dinwiddie stuck with it even when it wasn’t working, which was to his credit in the big picture. Part of the problem was statistical, IIRC the Argos didn’t have a single run from scrimmage longer than 20 yds, and most teams have a few of those to pad the stats.

Incidentally they haven’t officially announced Harris’ re-signing yet. Are one or both of the parties having second thoughts?

I don't know if there were many, but A.J Ouellette's longest gain was 34 yards against the Alouettes.

["Issues"Mcgee]

Not impressed with a QB that led the league in passing yards and his team to the Grey Cup. Taking a whole new level to the not easily impressed thing.

Cody Fajardo led the CFL in passing yards in 2019.

[paulwoods13]

Cody Fajardo led the CFL in passing yards in 2019.

Bethel-Thompson led the CFL in passing yards in 2022, the year his team won the Grey Cup, which I think was AV's point. But MBT also did lead the league in touchdown passes in 2019.

["Issues"Mcgee]

Bethel-Thompson led the CFL in passing yards in 2022, the year his team won the Grey Cup, which I think was AV's point. But MBT also did lead the league in touchdown passes in 2019.

Yeah I have to stop arguing like a jerk I apologize for that.

I am very thankful for MBT's invaluable contribution to winning the Grey Cup and I'm pretty sure most rational Argo fans are. I do not believe that criticizing his NFL aspirations automatically amounts to hate though.

[Tobin Rote]

Yeah I have to stop arguing like a jerk I apologize for that.

I am very thankful for MBT's invaluable contribution to winning the Grey Cup and I'm pretty sure most rational Argo fans are. I do not believe that criticizing his NFL aspirations automatically amounts to hate though.

Hundred percent agree... BTW, I wasn't criticizing his NFL prospects... I was certainly questioning them however. If we're attempting to call MBT a great (or even a very good) quarterback... it certainly demonstrates just how far the CFL has regressed in terms of quarterback play. However, I suppose he is right there with Fajardo, Harris, Masoli, Adams, Evans etc. I don't think that's saying much.

[AngeloV]

Hundred percent agree... BTW, I wasn't criticizing his NFL prospects... I was certainly questioning them however. If we're attempting to call MBT a great (or even a very good) quarterback... it certainly demonstrates just how far the CFL has regressed in terms of quarterback play. However, I suppose he is right there with Fajardo, Harris, Masoli, Adams, Evans etc. I don't think that's saying much.

Actually, since he has led his team to a championship you have to put him above all those others that you mentioned. Harris won as a back up, but never led a team he was the undisputed starter to a championship. He was way better than you are giving him credit for is all I am saying.

[Shatto]

MBT was not the passer that Ray was or the runner that Allen was but he brought something that enabled him to be a winning QB---leadership. He had great determination and motivated the other players on offense to the best they could be. He would stay in the pocket till the last moment in order to get the ball to a receiver and he took horrendous hits doing so.

We could argue if he was a great or very good QB or not but it can't be denied that he was a very effective QB who showed excellent leadership on the field.

[paulwoods13]

MBT was not the passer that Ray was or the runner that Allen was but he brought something that enabled him to be a winning QB---leadership. He had great determination and motivated the other players on offense to the best they could be. He would stay in the pocket till the last moment in order to get the ball to a receiver and he took horrendous hits doing so.

We could argue if he was a great or very good QB or not but it can't be denied that he was a very effective QB who showed excellent leadership on the field.

Well put, Shatto. IMO he will go down in history as just behind Ray, Flutie, Holloway and Allen. IMO MBT is the best leader this team has had at QB since Holloway.

[OV Argo]

Well put, Shatto. IMO he will go down in history as just behind Ray, Flutie, Holloway and Allen. IMO MBT is the best leader this team has had at QB since Holloway.


Are we talking all-time Argo QBs, or just guys we have seen play lots ?

Joe Thiesmann was a far superior QB talent to MBT IMO; led them to a GC as a rookie (10 & 4 record) and after a bad Argo season where he did not play full time; his 3rd Argo season he led them to 2 games over .500. Strong passing arm and a real run threat QB.

[Argo57]

MBT was not the passer that Ray was or the runner that Allen was but he brought something that enabled him to be a winning QB---leadership. He had great determination and motivated the other players on offense to the best they could be. He would stay in the pocket till the last moment in order to get the ball to a receiver and he took horrendous hits doing so.

We could argue if he was a great or very good QB or not but it can't be denied that he was a very effective QB who showed excellent leadership on the field.

Also tough as nails and extremely durable.

[Tobin Rote]

Actually, since he has led his team to a championship you have to put him above all those others that you mentioned. Harris won as a back up, but never led a team he was the undisputed starter to a championship. He was way better than you are giving him credit for is all I am saying.

I'm sorry... I just don't agree. Unfortunately, the cap really limits the calibre of quarterbacks that we can get to play up here. Another very ordinary quarterback will win the Grey Cup this year too. They're all very ordinary. That's the point. We had one who was better than that... a Canadian to boot... and he's already gone south.

[paulwoods13]

Are we talking all-time Argo QBs, or just guys we have seen play lots ?

Joe Thiesmann was a far superior QB talent to MBT IMO; led them to a GC as a rookie (10 & 4 record) and after a bad Argo season where he did not play full time; his 3rd Argo season he led them to 2 games over .500. Strong passing arm and a real run threat QB.

I'm not in position to comment on anyone I never saw play (such as Rote, Wirkowski and Knox), but I'd rank them that way from when I started watching in 1968. Theismann was obviously talented -- talented enough to play for several years in the NFL -- but in terms of overall body of work as an Argo, I'd rate MBT higher. Two Cups (one as a starter), league leader in passing yards and TD passes, and of course leadership and toughness. Theismann shared the job his first season although was the man by the end of that season. Third season was OK, too. But I have no hesitation ranking MBT (and the other four guys I mentioned) higher than Joe.

[paulwoods13]

I'm sorry... I just don't agree. Unfortunately, the cap really limits the calibre of quarterbacks that we can get to play up here. Another very ordinary quarterback will win the Grey Cup this year too. They're all very ordinary. That's the point. We had one who was better than that... a Canadian to boot... and he's already gone south.

I don't think it's the cap alone -- we had a salary cap as far back as the early 1990s, and that decade was full of Hall of Fame QBs. It's a combination of factors including the growing disparity in salaries between the NFL and every other league, the fact that NFL teams now play "Canadian-style" pass-oriented offence, the fact the NFL finally got over the racism that prevented many Black athletes from playing QB, the fact the NFL stopped being so hung up on height, etc. And now we have two new leagues that pay in US dollars, run shorter seasons and allow guys to jump straight to the NFL in the same year.

[OV Argo]

I don't think it's the cap alone -- we had a salary cap as far back as the early 1990s, and that decade was full of Hall of Fame QBs. It's a combination of factors including the growing disparity in salaries between the NFL and every other league, the fact that NFL teams now play "Canadian-style" pass-oriented offence, the fact the NFL finally got over the racism that prevented many Black athletes from playing QB, the fact the NFL stopped being so hung up on height, etc. And now we have two new leagues that pay in US dollars, run shorter seasons and allow guys to jump straight to the NFL in the same year.

The whole CFL is doomed and dying / so little talent now shtick that seems to be going on in some places now is a bunch of bunk-o IMO, but typical Canadian inferiority complex & navel gazing stuff.

As far as QBs - in the last decade or so - Ricky Ray, Mike Reilly, Collaros, maybe Mitchell at his best, are examples of very good CFL QB talent that would have started for a CFL team in need at pretty well anytime in the past. And then Rourke comes along and sets all-time passing marks in his first season as a starter. But yep, the sky is falling.

[paulwoods13]

As far as QBs - in the last decade or so - Ricky Ray, Mike Reilly, Collaros, maybe Mitchell at his best, are examples of very good CFL QB talent that would have started for a CFL team in need at pretty well anytime in the past. And then Rourke comes along and sets all-time passing marks in his first season as a starter. But yep, the sky is falling.

Not sure I'd have cited Rourke as proof that the CFL needn't worry about losing good QBs like, erm, Rourke.

[Tobin Rote]

Not sure I'd have cited Rourke as proof that the CFL needn't worry about losing good QBs like, erm, Rourke.

The hope has to be that Rourke will get very tired of being practice listed... or even worse, passed around from team to team as an emergency injury replacement. It'll take a pretty big offer to get him back into the CFL though. It could happen... in a year or two.

[OV Argo]

Not sure I'd have cited Rourke as proof that the CFL needn't worry about losing good QBs like, erm, Rourke.


And the CFL lost Joe Theismann, Warren Moon, Dieter Brock, Tom Clements, Jeff Garcia, Henry Burris, even Ricky Ray & Dave Dickenson for a spell, to NFL opportunity in the past; yet, somehow, the CFL managed to survive and is still around. That, plus the NFL super experts write-off top CFL talent (at certain positions, including QB) moreso than ever in the past IMO. The sky is not falling.

[ArgoRavi]

I think that we all have nostalgia for the QBs of our youth, but I do often wonder if we aren't far too hard on today's QBs and maybe give a pass to old-time QBs that we don't give to today's.

QBs used to throw way more interceptions back in the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s. For example, Tom Clements threw 30 INTs to go along with a 56.8 completion percentage and a QB efficiency rating of 81 back in 1987. He won the MOP. Similar stats for a QB today would not go over well with coaches and fans.

The reality is that it is tougher to be a QB now than at any time in the league's history. You need to have a completion percentage of at least 66% and you need to throw many more TD passes than INTs (not the 35:30 ratio of Clements in 1987). Defences are more complex than ever before too. I would argue that far more is expected of today's QBs than those of the past and that, by and large, the crop of QBs we have in today's CFL aren't too bad, especially when one considers that scoring today is at a similar level to the 1980s CFL and much higher than the 1970s CFL.

[OV Argo]

I think that we all have nostalgia for the QBs of our youth, but I do often wonder if we aren't far too hard on today's QBs and maybe give a pass to old-time QBs that we don't give to today's.

QBs used to throw way more interceptions back in the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s. For example, Tom Clements threw 30 INTs to go along with a 56.8 completion percentage and a QB efficiency rating of 81 back in 1987. He won the MOP. Similar stats for a QB today would not go over well with coaches and fans.

The reality is that it is tougher to be a QB now than at any time in the league's history. You need to have a completion percentage of at least 66% and you need to throw many more TD passes than INTs (not the 35:30 ratio of Clements in 1987). Defences are more complex than ever before too. I would argue that far more is expected of today's QBs than those of the past and that, by and large, the crop of QBs we have in today's CFL aren't too bad, especially when one considers that scoring today is at a similar level to the 1980s CFL and much higher than the 1970s CFL.

We might have some nostalgia for great QBs of CFL past; but have to disagree on your assessment of modern day CFL QBs having a tougher job nowdays; sorry, offences are simpler than ever and designed for safe dink & dunk passing games that lead to much higher completion percentages and less taking chances or deep shots that can result in INTs. And the top CFL QBs of the past would be superstars in today's game. Agreed, that QBing now is not as bad as some think though. Not sure if you equate high scoring levels with great football, but I sure don't.

[bluto]

https://www.argonauts.ca/2023/03/09/argonauts-sign-qb-cameron-dukes-wr-david-ungerer-iii/

(https://www.argonauts.ca/2023/03/09/argonauts-sign-qb-cameron-dukes-wr-david-ungerer-iii/)QB Cameron Dukes from the Indoor Football League and former TiCat WR David Ungerer III

[paulwoods13]

We might have some nostalgia for great QBs of CFL past; but have to disagree on your assessment of modern day CFL QBs having a tougher job nowdays; sorry, offences are simpler than ever and designed for safe dink & dunk passing games that lead to much higher completion percentages and less taking chances or deep shots that can result in INTs. And the top CFL QBs of the past would be superstars in today's game. Agreed, that QBing now is not as bad as some think though. Not sure if you equate high scoring levels with great football, but I sure don't.

I'm not disagreeing that the approach to offence is much different (and IMO much less entertaining) than 30ish years ago, but those QBs didn't have to deal with constantly rotating (and therefore fresh) pass rushers or six DBs as the basic package. I would bet (but obviously can't prove) that the amount of time QBs have to throw now is reduced compared with QBs of that era, and the number of defensive looks/packages is higher now than it was then. I agree that top QBs of the past would (for the most part, if not uniformly) excel in today's game, but even if Matt Dunigan and Damon Allen were reincarnated, I doubt we'd see them able to successfully take a lot of deep shots.

[OV Argo]

I'm not disagreeing that the approach to offence is much different (and IMO much less entertaining) than 30ish years ago, but those QBs didn't have to deal with constantly rotating (and therefore fresh) pass rushers or six DBs as the basic package. I would bet (but obviously can't prove) that the amount of time QBs have to throw now is reduced compared with QBs of that era, and the number of defensive looks/packages is higher now than it was then. I agree that top QBs of the past would (for the most part, if not uniformly) excel in today's game, but even if Matt Dunigan and Damon Allen were reincarnated, I doubt we'd see them able to successfully take a lot of deep shots.


Football can be very trendy and copy-cat like in terms of style of play and play-books/calling. Can dictate personnel deployed. Same old look, thinking and play-calling is dumb football IMO (so I like the idea of rotating in fresh D-linemen for variety and energy; but you're certainly not going to see O-Lines do that)

The CFL defences of some time ago had to be able to deal with much more diversity on offence; applied ground game with 2 different backs; a big tight end who could block or be a pass catching threat; way more balance on offence; more deep threat passing game. So they couldn't always just pin their ears back and go after QBs with pass rush. And there were more better all-around talent defences in the past IMO; watch that 71 GC game and both teams' QBs were swarmed most of the game with little time to sit, read and make throws, and it wasn't because the Ds were rotating in fresh (and less talented) back-up D-Linemen.

And I have no trouble / little doubt judging most positions/players based on pure talent and overall football skills they demonstrated on the football field, regardless of the era or styles of play. A great football player is a great player period, IMO (though the 245-250 pound O-Linemen of the past would have to bulk up to play nowdays - easily done with modern training & applied diets/supplements; just like the lightweight cover S-OLBs of today would be in for a rude awakening against run pounded at them or dealing with big fullbacks or TEs). QB talents like Russ Jackson or Matt Dunigan would dominate in today's CFL IMO - both examples of easily better talents at a specific position compared to today's best, (say Collaros at QB, who IMO is still very good). And they were total package talents who were run threats and could & would throw lots of deep bomb strikes; plus likely had more say in play calls/selection or improvising (as opposed to today's QBs instructed into throwing so many 5 yard gainer check-downs or hitch passes - nice completion % though)

[AngeloV]

https://www.argonauts.ca/2023/03/09/argonauts-sign-qb-cameron-dukes-wr-david-ungerer-iii/

(https://www.argonauts.ca/2023/03/09/argonauts-sign-qb-cameron-dukes-wr-david-ungerer-iii/)QB Cameron Dukes from the Indoor Football League and former TiCat WR David Ungerer III

I really like the signing of Ungerer. I was hoping they would sign him. Has good quickness and can also return punts if needed.

[Argo57]

I really like the signing of Ungerer. I was hoping they would sign him. Has good quickness and can also return punts if needed.

After 3 years with a semi-professional team in Hamilton I’m sure Ungerer is thrilled to join the reigning World Champions!

[AngeloV]

After 3 years with a semi-professional team in Hamilton I’m sure Ungerer is thrilled to join the reigning World Champions!

Hahahaha.