Argo QBs for TC ?

[OV Argo]

A lot of CFL teams have announced off-season signings of new QBs; the bottom feeder EE & RedBlacks have a whole pile of QBs for TC now; Pussycats just announced a new QB signing.

What are the Argos up to there? - Kelly situation is concerning; 2 young guys with limited resumes who were back-ups last year are still there (and young Dukes was pretty impressive for a raw rookie IMO). But what about more TC competition? Sure, lots of time yet till TC, but just wondering what will happen there? Surely a far & wide search is underway and a new American QB or two signing will be upcoming ?

[Mocha]

I wouldn't mind seeing Tyrell Pigrome in camp--short yardage guy with some upside.

[Argo57]

A lot of CFL teams have announced off-season signings of new QBs; the bottom feeder EE & RedBlacks have a whole pile of QBs for TC now; Pussycats just announced a new QB signing.

What are the Argos up to there? - Kelly situation is concerning; 2 young guys with limited resumes who were back-ups last year are still there (and young Dukes was pretty impressive for a raw rookie IMO). But what about more TC competition? Sure, lots of time yet till TC, but just wondering what will happen there? Surely a far & wide search is underway and a new American QB or two signing will be upcoming ?

I agree with this OV, would be nice to add some additional talent and depth at this position.

[OV Argo]

I agree with this OV, would be nice to add some additional talent and depth at this position.

Seems mind-boggling that they would go into TC with just Kelly (with his off-field issues) and the 2 guys from last season as that's it for QBs. Maybe they are taking their time and looking at lots of prospects, or perhaps have a potential NFL cut in mind after the draft and free agency there ?

[ArgoRavi]

Seems mind-boggling that they would go into TC with just Kelly (with his off-field issues) and the 2 guys from last season as that's it for QBs. Maybe they are taking their time and looking at lots of prospects, or perhaps have a potential NFL cut in mind after the draft and free agency there ?

I am pretty sure that they are waiting to see what happens with the NFL draft and subsequent free agent signings before they bring another QB or two in.

[OV Argo]

I am pretty sure that they are waiting to see what happens with the NFL draft and subsequent free agent signings before they bring another QB or two in.


Sure = could be; just that a bunch of other CFL teams have already signed QBs this off-season. Hoping for an NFL cut to become available? We shall see.

[Shatto]

As a rookie, Dukes looked very good last year and might have the potential to develop into a starting QB. IMO Scott needs to be replaced. So hopefully the team will bring in a couple of QBs to compete for the 3rd QB spot. Hogan's list of 10 players on the negotiation list, showed 5 QBs. One of those players may be available after the NFL draft. My personal preference is Matocha, who had a brilliant college career but at 5'11" is unlikely to garner much NFL interest.

The Argos have been very successful in identifying and recruiting players. I'm sure they have some QBs in mind and we should hear more before training camp begins.

[paulwoods13]

I would bet the Kelly situation has caused all kinds of disruption in off-season planning and recruitment. Neither his status nor Murphy's is clear at this point. Magri (who no longer has Alex Russell alongside) has to hold down the fort.

There's no doubt in my mind that Argos will bring at least four QBs to camp, but I doubt we will hear about any more signings for a while. Given the possibility of Kelly missing some games, I'm certainly not inclined to write off Scott. While it seems clear that Dukes is the better QB, we haven't yet seen what Scott might bring to the table.

[gilthethrill]

I would bet the Kelly situation has caused all kinds of disruption in off-season planning and recruitment. Neither his status nor Murphy's is clear at this point. Magri (who no longer has Alex Russell alongside) has to hold down the fort.

There's no doubt in my mind that Argos will bring at least four QBs to camp, but I doubt we will hear about any more signings for a while. Given the possibility of Kelly missing some games, I'm certainly not inclined to write off Scott. While it seems clear that Dukes is the better QB, we haven't yet seen what Scott might bring to the table.

The fact that Scott was trusted with 4 snaps last year after the team clinched in September tells me the team has zero faith in him. Why he hasn’t been cut so he can find another opportunity is beyond me.

Forgive me for digressing, but with only 3 D coaches in the entire staff, that situation should have been resolved and announced some time ago.

[Argo57]

The fact that Scott was trusted with 4 snaps last year after the team clinched in September tells me the team has zero faith in him. Why he hasn’t been cut so he can find another opportunity is beyond me.

Forgive me for digressing, but with only 3 D coaches in the entire staff, that situation should have been resolved and announced some time ago.

I agree with all of this.
The D will have several newcomers so going with a skeleton staff on that side of the ball is a dumb strategy.
Surely the will add a couple of coaches on D?
Just when it seemed this organization was running like a “well oiled machine” things have unraveled a little.

[gilthethrill]

I agree with all of this.
The D will have several newcomers so going with a skeleton staff on that side of the ball is a dumb strategy.
Surely the will add a couple of coaches on D?
Just when it seemed this organization was running like a “well oiled machine” things have unraveled a little.

Looking at turnover on D….I thought the Argos did a Brilliant Job maintaining continuity coming off 16-2. Of the D Line projected starters, only Ceresna is new, but he is a vet and knows the league. The LBs, McManus and Jones (who is an upgrade over Williams at MLB) return, with only Pickett’s spot (Adeleke)? up for grabs. In the Secondary, McFadden, Pierce and Metchie return…along with Amos (any idea if he will be healthy by TC)? and perhaps Carnell returns to form, so really only 2 spots are open.
It is starting to be puzzling as a fan why the coaching staff isn’t set. Hopefully when it gets settled Hoagie will have an article focused on the process.

[Argo57]

Looking at turnover on D….I thought the Argos did a Brilliant Job maintaining continuity coming off 16-2. Of the D Line projected starters, only Ceresna is new, but he is a vet and knows the league. The LBs, McManus and Jones (who is an upgrade over Williams at MLB) return, with only Pickett’s spot (Adeleke)? up for grabs. In the Secondary, McFadden, Pierce and Metchie return…along with Amos (any idea if he will be healthy by TC)? and perhaps Carnell returns to form, so really only 2 spots are open.
It is starting to be puzzling as a fan why the coaching staff isn’t set. Hopefully when it gets settled Hoagie will have an article focused on the process.

I have no issues with the personnel assembled on D, they knew they couldn’t keep all the eligible free agents in double blue.
They sure did a nice job in keeping as many players as possible and bringing in some high quality replacements, my issue is them apparently going lean with the coaching staff on defence, makes no sense as it sits right now.
I will be surprised if they don’t add another defensive coach or two but who knows.
As with most training camps there are always a couple of young players who step up and take starting jobs, this year should be no different.

[gilthethrill]

I have no issues with the personnel assembled on D, they knew they couldn’t keep all the eligible free agents in double blue.
They sure did a nice job in keeping as many players as possible and bringing in some high quality replacements, my issue is them apparently going lean with the coaching staff on defence, makes no sense as it sits right now.
I will be surprised if they don’t add another defensive coach or two but who knows.
As with most training camps there are always a couple of young players who step up and take starting jobs, this year should be no different.

As always, a well thought out, accurate and knowledgeable assessment by Argo57.

[Argo57]

As always, a well thought out, accurate and knowledgeable assessment by Argo57.

You’re way too kind gil.

[paulwoods13]

The fact that Scott was trusted with 4 snaps last year after the team clinched in September tells me the team has zero faith in him. Why he hasn’t been cut so he can find another opportunity is beyond me.

Forgive me for digressing, but with only 3 D coaches in the entire staff, that situation should have been resolved and announced some time ago.

Despite clinching early, they absolutely had to give as many snaps as possible to Dukes, no? Clearly he was the one who'd be playing if Kelly had been injured in a must-win game, so they focused on getting him some meaningful playing time. That doesn't mean they do or don't love Scott, but I'm pretty confident they are not writing him off. Even a year watching from the sideline is likely more conductive to learning how to play QB in this league than coming in cold. As for the other stuff about defensive coaches, again, the org has had its off-season disrupted pretty badly.

[OV Argo]

Hope the QB search is looking far & wide; likely won't include considering any Canadian QBs though?

Love to see Sherby's Anthony Robichaud get a look - big QB with a good arm and decent mobility from what i saw of him (including an excellent game at last year's U Sports East_West Bowl all-star game) ; him and Toronto guy Marcus Reeb (3 year starter and all 3 seasons named 2nd team Conference all-star in US college ball Div III) were tested at the recent CFL Invitational Combine. 3 other QBs going to the upcoming main Combine. Argos brought in Dukes & Scott from the lower levels of US college ball last season, but maybe Canadian QBs don't rate?

The GOBs fear/dismissal of Canadian QB talent remains as entrenched as ever I guess ?

[gilthethrill]

Despite clinching early, they absolutely had to give as many snaps as possible to Dukes, no? Clearly he was the one who'd be playing if Kelly had been injured in a must-win game, so they focused on getting him some meaningful playing time. That doesn't mean they do or don't love Scott, but I'm pretty confident they are not writing him off. Even a year watching from the sideline is likely more conductive to learning how to play QB in this league than coming in cold. As for the other stuff about defensive coaches, again, the org has had its off-season disrupted pretty badly.

Sure Dukes deserved the bulk of the playing time down the stretch….but 4 snaps for Scott? Not exactly a strong endorsement. I agree the organization has had its offseason disrupted, but there was plenty of time to get the D side of the staff resolved prior to that coming out.

[Mocha]

Hope the QB search is looking far & wide; likely won't include considering any Canadian QBs though?

Love to see Sherby's Anthony Robichaud get a look - big QB with a good arm and decent mobility from what i saw of him (including an excellent game at last year's U Sports East_West Bowl all-star game) ; him and Toronto guy Marcus Reeb (3 year starter and all 3 seasons named 2nd team Conference all-star in US college ball Div III) were tested at the recent CFL Invitational Combine. 3 other QBs going to the upcoming main Combine. Argos brought in Dukes & Scott from the lower levels of US college ball last season, but maybe Canadian QBs don't rate?

The GOBs fear/dismissal of Canadian QB talent remains as entrenched as ever I guess ?

I wonder if Taylor Elgersma will this year's QB intern again. Hopefully he'll open some eyes.

[OV Argo]

Ah yes, the CFL's little Lebowski QB achiever internship program, for Canadians who show some promise.

Something will come of this, eventually. ;o)

[paulwoods13]

Sure Dukes deserved the bulk of the playing time down the stretch….but 4 snaps for Scott? Not exactly a strong endorsement. I agree the organization has had its offseason disrupted, but there was plenty of time to get the D side of the staff resolved prior to that coming out.

Gil, if they had played Scott for, say, half of a game, and then Dukes got forced into a playoff game due to injury and crapped the bed, we'd all be second-guessing their personnel deployment down the stretch. Hell, we all second-guessed their personnel deployment over the last six games anyway. I was among those who wanted to see Scott play some during that run of meaningless games. But not playing him was defensible IMO. How many snaps did Argos give Zach Collaros in 2012? One quarter, 11 passes, and only after Trevor Harris played in two games and threw 19 passes. Did that mean they weren't giving a strong endorsement to Collaros? And regardless of all this, my main point is that -- especially in the situation we're in, with the starter's status uncertain -- I'd far rather have two guys who have at least been in the system for a year and been exposed to Cdn football than jettison one of them in favour of a kid fresh out of the U.S. Now if they were to sign Taylor Cornelius, I'd be much more open to cutting Scott.

[Mocha]

Ah yes, the CFL's little Lebowski QB achiever internship program, for Canadians who show some promise.

Something will come of this, eventually. ;o)

Tre Ford has done all right since his internship, but yeah it's certainly not (yet) turned into a direct pipeline to CFL roster spots for top USports QBs.

[AngeloV]

I'd far rather have two guys who have at least been in the system for a year and been exposed to Cdn football than jettison one of them in favour of a kid fresh out of the U.S. .

So you rather would have kept Ben Holmes over Dukes and Scott last year? And IIRC, you were adamant that you had no interest in Cody Fajardo as insurance last year.

[OV Argo]

Tre Ford has done all right since his internship, but yeah it's certainly not (yet) turned into a direct pipeline to CFL roster spots for top USports QBs.

And it never will

[paulwoods13]

So you rather would have kept Ben Holmes over Dukes and Scott last year? And IIRC, you were adamant that you had no interest in Cody Fajardo as insurance last year.

Holmes was beaten out for the job -- nothing wrong with someone winning or losing a job in head-to-head competition. Although he dressed for just one game in 2022, he had been with the team for about three-quarters of that season, and consequently I expected he would emerge as the No. 2 based on his previous exposure to the offence. Clearly that experience, such as it was, wasn't enough to beat out Dukes and Scott. It doesn't change my opinion that there is no good reason to get rid of Scott at this point, especially since we might start the season with a new No. 1 and a new No. 2. Dukes has less experience now than Kelly had heading into last year, and Scott has even less than that. But they both have more than anyone new to the CFL will have. If a newbie comes in and beats out either one, great. But cutting Scott before camp would make zero sense IMO even if we didn't have the Kelly cloud hanging over the team.

I still want no part of Cody Fajardo, although it's obviously a moot point since he's not on the market.

[Shatto]

It will be a surprise if the civil case is not settled before it goes to court with a NDA as part of the settlement. If that is the case, the league may find its hands tied re any discipline against Kelly. However the league might still be able to fine the organization for not following league defined protocol. It is quite possible Kelly will be starting QB from day one, if the afore mentioned actions occur.

Scott did not impress in training camp, in practices I observed or in his brief game time. He might be in training camp but if the team signs a couple of more promising QBs, Scott's time in camp may be very short. That is only my opinion and who knows Scott may surprise us all but based on last year's play it's not likely.

[AngeloV]

I still want no part of Cody Fajardo, although it's obviously a moot point since he's not on the market.

So if it weren't a moot point, you would want no part of a QB that just led his team to a championship? Sounds personal to me, Paul.

[paulwoods13]

So if it weren't a moot point, you would want no part of a QB that just led his team to a championship? Sounds personal to me, Paul.

It depends how you define personal, I guess. I've never met him, but I simply don't like the guy either as a quarterback or a team leader. Personal preference.

[AngeloV]

It depends how you define personal, I guess. I've never met him, but I simply don't like the guy either as a quarterback or a team leader. Personal preference.

Well, his current coach has now had him in 2 different cities. Safe to say he disagrees with you.

[paulwoods13]

Well, his current coach has now had him in 2 different cities. Safe to say he disagrees with you.

Sure. Again, personal preference. I'm also not a fan of Maas, FWIW. Good on both guys for winning the Grey Cup; that doesn't mean I have to like them or wish they were Argos.

[ArgoRavi]

It will be a surprise if the civil case is not settled before it goes to court with a NDA as part of the settlement. If that is the case, the league may find its hands tied re any discipline against Kelly. However the league might still be able to fine the organization for not following league defined protocol. It is quite possible Kelly will be starting QB from day one, if the afore mentioned actions occur.

Scott did not impress in training camp, in practices I observed or in his brief game time. He might be in training camp but if the team signs a couple of more promising QBs, Scott's time in camp may be very short. That is only my opinion and who knows Scott may surprise us all but based on last year's play it's not likely.

My understanding is that the league's investigation is separate from any legal issues that Kelly and the team are facing.

[ArgoGabe22]

It depends how you define personal, I guess. I've never met him, but I simply don't like the guy either as a quarterback or a team leader. Personal preference.

The same could be said about what’s others, like myself, thought of MBT’s leadership after his last season here.

[paulwoods13]

The same could be said about what’s others, like myself, thought of MBT’s leadership after his last season here.

I'm shocked.

[OV Argo]

Chadster up to some stuff on social media (per Riderfans) ?

[Shatto]

My understanding is that the league's investigation is separate from any legal issues that Kelly and the team are facing.

It is tricky. If the case does go to court, the league could investigate but would not likely reveal their findings while the case is ongoing. If as expected, the parties settle with a NDA before court commences, the parties would be unable to speak about the case, which obviously would make any investigation practically impossible. Cases like this seldom reach court unless the defendant(s) feel they have an unassailable defense. Even then most try the avoid a civil court trial as nothing is ever a 100% certainty in such matters. However, the league could investigate if league protocol was followed.

[paulwoods13]

Chadster up to some stuff on social media (per Riderfans) ?

The recent tweets are disconcerting. The video, assuming it's real, is downright disturbing.

[ArgoGabe22]

Chadster up to some stuff on social media (per Riderfans) ?

Video doesn’t help. If he can act like that on a live video, I don’t doubt he can explode on any coworker, trainer etc .

[Skilz]

Video doesn’t help. If he can act like that on a live video, I don’t doubt he can explode on any coworker, trainer etc .

For the benefit of those like myself who have not seen the video - judge for yourselves.

https://twitter.com/Todd_Moggey/status/1770191672174928339

[Antwon]

The recent tweets are disconcerting. The video, assuming it's real, is downright disturbing.

Yep, I don't know what else to say.

[primetime31]

Can some please provide me with some context for his video?

[Rich]

Can some please provide me with some context for his video?

Pro athlete uses inappropriate language on social media. Stop the presses.

The pearl-clutching around here is getting out of hand.

[paulwoods13]

Kelly's bizarre and inappropriate post has drawn some unwelcome attention from the rights-holder and apparently around the league.

https://www.tsn.ca/cfl/video/loud-offseason-gets-louder-for-chad-kelly-after-social-media-vid~2865983?fbclid=IwAR3Bth99yCEAXrkisxKhmqMMSm1dd RGF6_NMWOLMLTiXHrhQLaCjAh9Gczw

[ArgoGabe22]

Pro athlete uses inappropriate language on social media. Stop the presses.

The pearl-clutching around here is getting out of hand.

The video isn’t wildly inappropriate as some on social media are making it out to be, it’s just very strange and extremely poor timing. It’s definitely a head scratcher. Like wtf is he thinking? He needs to stay off social media, lay low and just work on football.

[gilthethrill]

The video isn’t wildly inappropriate as some on social media are making it out to be, it’s just very strange and extremely poor timing. It’s definitely a head scratcher. Like wtf is he thinking? He needs to stay off social media, lay low and just work on football.

Kelly is the reigning league MOP and face of the Argonauts. Time to start acting like it.

[Will]

The video isn’t wildly inappropriate as some on social media are making it out to be, it’s just very strange and extremely poor timing. It’s definitely a head scratcher. Like wtf is he thinking? He needs to stay off social media, lay low and just work on football.

It is very strange and extremely poor timing that is amplified by what else is going on with him. It would be prudent for him to stay off social media.

[ArgoRavi]

Pro athlete uses inappropriate language on social media. Stop the presses.

The pearl-clutching around here is getting out of hand.

The big knock against Kelly through the years is his immaturity. Between the meltdown in the East Final, the "concussion" excuse that came out of the blue a few days later, the serious sexual harassment allegations (and, sorry folks, but a sexual harassment allegation in the workplace is a pretty serious one and a fireable offence, if validated), and these social media antics, it's becoming increasingly difficult to accept that this guy has matured. And I say this as someone who had thought and hoped that Kelly was finally maturing.

[paulwoods13]

If it's not inappropriate, wouldn't that mean it's appropriate? Or is inappropriate but just not "wildly" inappropriate?

[ArgoGabe22]

If it's not inappropriate, wouldn't that mean it's appropriate? Or is inappropriate but just not "wildly" inappropriate?

Twitter is making it seem worse than it is. It is not a video/post warranting a release IMO. I have a ton of questions myself surrounding the video but it certainly could be worse.

[paulwoods13]

"It could be worse" sure is a great way of describing the face of our franchise.

[gilthethrill]

"It could be worse" sure is a great way of describing the face of our franchise.

2024 Ticket Sales Slogan…”It Could Be Worse”…..I like it Paul!

[ArgoGabe22]

"It could be worse" sure is a great way of describing the face of our franchise.

You think Kelly should be released over the video? Murphy arguably made worse comments that surfaced in a video, left the team and was quietly rehired.

When you see the Argos trending and a shitstorm online and you watch the actual video, still very strange, you realize, this isn’t as bad as you might have first feard given the headlines. Still unacceptable but yeah, it could’ve been worse.

[AngeloV]

I have basically stayed away from commenting on this thread. The fact of the matter is that we have no clue what happened. For all we know, maybe Kelly and the accuser had an affair that went bad. Maybe her accusation is truthful, but again, we have no idea.
As for his bizarre social media posts, I would hope he would know better, but if I was accused of something that deep down I believe was a false accusation (and I'm not saying it is false, but Kelly might believe it is), I have no idea how I would react, and anyone that says they know how they would react is a liar. Until you are in that situation, you just don't know.

[Rich]

The big knock against Kelly through the years is his immaturity. Between the meltdown in the East Final, the "concussion" excuse that came out of the blue a few days later, the serious sexual harassment allegations (and, sorry folks, but a sexual harassment allegation in the workplace is a pretty serious one and a fireable offence, if validated), and these social media antics, it's becoming increasingly difficult to accept that this guy has matured. And I say this as someone who had thought and hoped that Kelly was finally maturing.

If he didn’t have maturity issues he would be in the NFL right now. So would Argo fans prefer a mediocre QB who always acts professionally, or an MOP who occasionally acts up? You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

[Rich]

It is very strange and extremely poor timing that is amplified by what else is going on with him. It would be prudent for him to stay off social media.

On Instagram yesterday he posted videos of a workout where he’s throwing dimes, as he does. I doubt Rider fans will be reposting THOSE videos.

[OV Argo]

If he didn’t have maturity issues he would be in the NFL right now. So would Argo fans prefer a mediocre QB who always acts professionally, or an MOP who occasionally acts up? You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

IF occasionally acting up meant making the odd goofy comment on social media, then sure. Some will draw a line at whacked-out, loon behavior or getting in fights/disputes with others on the team you are supposed to be helping lead.

[paulwoods13]

You think Kelly should be released over the video? Murphy arguably made worse comments that surfaced in a video, left the team and was quietly rehired.

When you see the Argos trending and a shitstorm online and you watch the actual video, still very strange, you realize, this isn’t as bad as you might have first feard given the headlines. Still unacceptable but yeah, it could’ve been worse.

I get that there are people on Twitter demanding that Kelly be released. Some seem to be doing so based solely on the video, while others are basing the call on the allegations against him, or on the allegations *and* the video.

Since you asked, No, I don't think Kelly should be released over the video. But calling it "unacceptable" is an understatement IMO.


I have basically stayed away from commenting on this thread. The fact of the matter is that we have no clue what happened. For all we know, maybe Kelly and the accuser had an affair that went bad. Maybe her accusation is truthful, but again, we have no idea.
As for his bizarre social media posts, I would hope he would know better, but if I was accused of something that deep down I believe was a false accusation (and I'm not saying it is false, but Kelly might believe it is), I have no idea how I would react, and anyone that says they know how they would react is a liar. Until you are in that situation, you just don't know.

No, we don't know what (if anything) happened between Kelly and the complainant, or Murphy and the complainant, or the org and the complainant. The lawsuit at this point is just a list of allegations that have not been tested or proven in court. But we have now also seen troubling public behaviour from the player the team is built around. If this happened entirely on its own at a time when there were no other matters outstanding, some if not many fans would be deeply concerned about it. The fact it happened while this allegation is hanging over him and the org ratchets up the concern IMO. Whatever he might feel or know about the allegations against him, that type of public behaviour is not the way to respond. I would hope he'd have someone advising him to lay low and let the processes play out instead of adding fuel to the fire, and that he would take such advice seriously.

[paulwoods13]

If he didn’t have maturity issues he would be in the NFL right now. So would Argo fans prefer a mediocre QB who always acts professionally, or an MOP who occasionally acts up? You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

Because it's either one or the other? I can think of a lot of non-mediocre QBs who always acted professionally, and a lot of mediocre QBs who always acted professionally. What I can't seem to think of is a lot of MOPs who occasionally "acted up" (if that's how this is being described).

[Rich]

I can think of a lot of non-mediocre QBs who always acted professionally.

If there are so many of these guys howcum we haven’t signed one in a couple of years?

[Rich]

Twitter is making it seem worse than it is. It is not a video/post warranting a release IMO.

I get the sense that a lot of the negativity on Twitter is from CFL haters who will use any excuse to trash the league, like the guy who said he hopes this incident will result in even smaller crowds than the Argos usually get.

But again, if that’s the price for having an MOP QB on the roster, I for one will gladly pay it.

[gilthethrill]

IF occasionally acting up meant making the odd goofy comment on social media, then sure. Some will draw a line at whacked-out, loon behavior or getting in fights/disputes with others on the team you are supposed to be helping lead.

Let’s just hope Kelly’s mental state is good. Like AV touched on, maybe he is not handling these allegations well and is struggling.

[Argo57]

I get the sense that a lot of the negativity on Twitter is from CFL haters who will use any excuse to trash the league, like the guy who said he hopes this incident will result in even smaller crowds than the Argos usually get.

But again, if that’s the price for having an MOP QB on the roster, I for one will gladly pay it.

Even amongst CFL fans many hate the Argonauts, to them I say go f*ck yourselves.
Proud to be a fan of this team!

[ArgoGabe22]

I get the sense that a lot of the negativity on Twitter is from CFL haters who will use any excuse to trash the league, like the guy who said he hopes this incident will result in even smaller crowds than the Argos usually get.

But again, if that’s the price for having an MOP QB on the roster, I for one will gladly pay it.

Its fans of the other teams I have noticed.

[OV Argo]

Even amongst CFL fans many hate the Argonauts, to them I say go f*ck yourselves.
Proud to be a fan of this team!

Not sure I can call anybody who "hates" other CFL teams a real CFL fan? Sure, you can strongly dislike some other teams (especially long-time close rivals like the Pussycats), but this hater stuff I just don't get. Don't be a jealous or pompous homer who only knows his own team, but respect/ treasure all the teams in a 9 team historic league and you're more of a true CFL fan - to me / IMO.

The CFL haters in general out there in our own country - like the NFL fan-boys and all-American hype $uckers and the like minded dupes in our media - now those clowns can go F themselves = pathetic victims of the Canadian inferiority complex who lap up glitter-hype till they puke/spew it.

[Argo57]

Not sure I can call anybody who "hates" other CFL teams a real CFL fan? Sure, you can strongly dislike some other teams (especially long-time close rivals like the Pussycats), but this hater stuff I just don't get. Don't be a jealous or pompous homer who only knows his own team, but respect/ treasure all the teams in a 9 team historic league and you're more of a true CFL fan - to me / IMO.

The CFL haters in general out there in our own country - like the NFL fan-boys and all-American hype $uckers and the like minded dupes in our media - now those clowns can go F themselves = pathetic victims of the Canadian inferiority complex who lap up glitter-hype till they puke/spew it.

Can’t argue with any of this OV.

[ArgoGabe22]

Team made no mention of Kelly’s bday. They have posted on Instagram bdays in the past. Hmm…

[kellynjk]

The big knock against Kelly through the years is his immaturity. Between the meltdown in the East Final, the "concussion" excuse that came out of the blue a few days later, the serious sexual harassment allegations (and, sorry folks, but a sexual harassment allegation in the workplace is a pretty serious one and a fireable offence, if validated), and these social media antics, it's becoming increasingly difficult to accept that this guy has matured. And I say this as someone who had thought and hoped that Kelly was finally maturing.

Totally agree with everything you've said here. Considering Kelly is almost 30 years, he seems remarkably immature and where the hell is his judgement. I think most people in a similar situation would realize the value of just keeping a low profile till this sexual harassment allegation is dealt with and not do silly things on social media.

[kellynjk]

2024 Ticket Sales Slogan…”It Could Be Worse”…..I like it Paul!

HA, ha, ha - I like it. "It Could be Worse" as the Ticket Sales Slogan - it acknowledges some of the challenges that the Argos might face, but also has that "silver lining" aspect to it!!!

[ArgoRavi]

Team made no mention of Kelly’s bday. They have posted on Instagram bdays in the past. Hmm…

Anything on social media about Chad Kelly right now elicits a lot of negative reaction. I am guessing that the team would rather avoid that.

[Will]

I agree with Ravi, any post relating to Kelly is going to elicit a strong and negative reaction. I wouldn't read anything more into the lack of birthday tweet other than the fact that the team is aware of this, and has identified that it isn't prudent to post anything related to him right now.

[paulwoods13]

I agree with Ravi, any post relating to Kelly is going to elicit a strong and negative reaction. I wouldn't read anything more into the lack of birthday tweet other than the fact that the team is aware of this, and has identified that it isn't prudent to post anything related to him right now.

Which is a pretty terrible position to be in as an org. The most outstanding player in the league, who is reportedly being paid $100k as "marketing money," has to be kept under wraps. Guess they will build their marketing campaign some other way.

[ArgoRavi]

Which is a pretty terrible position to be in as an org. The most outstanding player in the league, who is reportedly being paid $100k as "marketing money," has to be kept under wraps. Guess they will build their marketing campaign some other way.

The Argos are definitely in a difficult position, perhaps of their own making (depending on what comes out of the investigation). For me, this entire Chad Kelly situation has taken the wind out of the sails of being excited for the upcoming season. This is a shame, considering that this is still an excellent and deep team which, I think, made some strong moves again this off-season.

[paulwoods13]

The Argos are definitely in a difficult position, perhaps of their own making (depending on what comes out of the investigation). For me, this entire Chad Kelly situation has taken the wind out of the sails of being excited for the upcoming season. This is a shame, considering that this is still an excellent and deep team which, I think, made some strong moves again this off-season.

I could not agree more, Ravi.

[kellynjk]

Yes agree it's a real shame. This situation has cast a shadow over the upcoming Argo season and I think there's no question it will hinder how they can market and promote the Argos. It has basically forced them not to talk about the Argos at all because they don't want to have to deal with alot of questions about Kelly, the investigation etc.

[ArgoZ]

Totally agree with everything you've said here. Considering Kelly is almost 30 years, he seems remarkably immature and where the hell is his judgement. I think most people in a similar situation would realize the value of just keeping a low profile till this sexual harassment allegation is dealt with and not do silly things on social media.

Kelly has not been accused of sexual harassment. This could be an important fact once things get settled.

[kellynjk]

Kelly has not been accused of sexual harassment. This could be an important fact once things get settled.

Okay point taken, but being accused of harassment is just as serious and disturbing. Kelly has talent for sure, but I have a bad feeling that the Argos are going to have continually deal with his immaturity and behaviour, so it’s a shame that he’s their marquis player at the moment.

[ArgoZ]

Okay point taken, but being accused of harassment is just as serious and disturbing. Kelly has talent for sure, but I have a bad feeling that the Argos are going to have continually deal with his immaturity and behaviour, so it’s a shame that he’s their marquis player at the moment.

Harassment is often subjective and can be all of levels from repeatedly asking something (collections) to extreme stalking. Sexual harassment is more defined and often leads to criminal charges. Kelly is facing no criminal recourse and to be honest, is being accused of being a giant A-hole to put it in laymen’s terms. I don’t know what the punishment for that is, if true, but losing your job would have legal challenges. A professional team could cut ties because they don’t want that type of player around, yet we are not hearing that. In fact, the Argos are moving ahead with him as QB. That’s very telling. They have to be confident of the outcome and/or be privy to important information we are not. Once again, we have to let this unfold before making outlandish claims or opinions and the least we can do is get the terms right if we are going to speculate.

[Shatto]

Harassment is often subjective and can be all of levels from repeatedly asking something (collections) to extreme stalking. Sexual harassment is more defined and often leads to criminal charges. Kelly is facing no criminal recourse and to be honest, is being accused of being a giant A-hole to put it in laymen’s terms. I don’t know what the punishment for that is, if true, but losing your job would have legal challenges. A professional team could cut ties because they don’t want that type of player around, yet we are not hearing that. In fact, the Argos are moving ahead with him as QB. That’s very telling. They have to be confident of the outcome and/or be privy to important information we are not. Once again, we have to let this unfold before making outlandish claims or opinions and the least we can do is get the terms right if we are going to speculate.

A succinct but complete layout of the case before Kelly and the Argos. Hope this helps everyone.

[kellynjk]

Well the bottom line is the Argos shouldn’t have to deal with any of this and maybe wouldn’t be if Kelly was more mature and as you put it not “actually like a giant asshole!” I just disappointed that he is showing these tendencies and this is not the first time (that whole bullshit story about a bad concussion for example) and the Argos have banked so much on this guy - big multi-year contract etc. For me personally it has really dampened my excitement for the upcoming season!

[AngeloV]

Well the bottom line is the Argos shouldn’t have to deal with any of this and maybe wouldn’t be if Kelly was more mature and as you put it not “actually like a giant asshole!”

Or maybe the Argos don't believe the accusations to be warranted and haven't "found him guilty" like 99% of the population that thinks they know what happened and have come to their own conclusions.

[kellynjk]

Or maybe the Argos don't believe the accusations to be warranted and haven't "found him guilty" like 99% of the population that thinks they know what happened and have come to their own conclusions.

Or maybe there are a lot of people that are just willing to let Kelly behave any way he wants and trivialize his bad behaviour because he played well last season!

[Argo57]

Or maybe there are a lot of people that are just willing to let Kelly behave any way he wants and trivialize his bad behaviour because he played well last season!

Or maybe no one has a clue what actually happened or didn’t happen (including yourself) and should let things play out before coming to any conclusions!!

[Argo57]

Harassment is often subjective and can be all of levels from repeatedly asking something (collections) to extreme stalking. Sexual harassment is more defined and often leads to criminal charges. Kelly is facing no criminal recourse and to be honest, is being accused of being a giant A-hole to put it in laymen’s terms. I don’t know what the punishment for that is, if true, but losing your job would have legal challenges. A professional team could cut ties because they don’t want that type of player around, yet we are not hearing that. In fact, the Argos are moving ahead with him as QB. That’s very telling. They have to be confident of the outcome and/or be privy to important information we are not. Once again, we have to let this unfold before making outlandish claims or opinions and the least we can do is get the terms right if we are going to speculate.

Summed up quite nicely ArgoZ, let’s see how this plays out.

[AngeloV]

Or maybe there are a lot of people that are just willing to let Kelly behave any way he wants and trivialize his bad behaviour because he played well last season!

I have more faith in Pinball than that.

[kellynjk]

I have more faith in Pinball than that.

I hope you are right.