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Re: Naylor: Argos receive permission to speak to O'Shea
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2025 5:17 pm
by paulwoods13
shatto wrote: ↑Wed Nov 12, 2025 4:43 pm
O'Shea was just in town and obviously has listened to the Toronto offer. Hope Pelly made a generous offer to O'Shea both financially and with respect to his control of player personnel.
Will someone please explain to me why Keith Pelley, the CEO of a massive sports conglomerate, would get anywhere near contract negotiations for head coach of the Argonauts? Isn't that at least one thing we would expect a GM to look after (even though the GM apparently doesn't do other GM stuff like scout, recruit and negotiate player contracts)? I know Pelley fell in love with Craig Berube after going out for lunch with "Chief," but does he really plan to have all team personnel report directly to him?
Re: Naylor: Argos receive permission to speak to O'Shea
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2025 5:27 pm
by ARGO57
paulwoods13 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 12, 2025 5:17 pm
shatto wrote: ↑Wed Nov 12, 2025 4:43 pm
O'Shea was just in town and obviously has listened to the Toronto offer. Hope Pelly made a generous offer to O'Shea both financially and with respect to his control of player personnel.
Will someone please explain to me why Keith Pelley, the CEO of a massive sports conglomerate, would get anywhere near contract negotiations for head coach of the Argonauts? Isn't that at least one thing we would expect a GM to look after (even though the GM apparently doesn't do other GM stuff like scout, recruit and negotiate player contracts)? I know Pelley fell in love with Craig Berube after going out for lunch with "Chief," but does he really plan to have all team personnel report directly to him?
Pelley is a legend in his own mind and seems to be a control freak, no surprise here.
Re: Naylor: Argos receive permission to speak to O'Shea
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2025 8:45 pm
by Antwon
ArgoRavi wrote: ↑Wed Nov 12, 2025 2:10 am
John Hodge says that talk is ramping up that Chris Jones will get the HC job in Toronto.
Please no!!!
Re: Naylor: Argos receive permission to speak to O'Shea
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2025 10:51 pm
by ArgoGabe22
Howard Berger is reporting a deal will be made between Toronto and Osh.
Re: Naylor: Argos receive permission to speak to O'Shea
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2025 11:56 pm
by RB957
Antwon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 12, 2025 8:45 pm
ArgoRavi wrote: ↑Wed Nov 12, 2025 2:10 am
John Hodge says that talk is ramping up that Chris Jones will get the HC job in Toronto.
Please no!!!
Double that!!
Re: Naylor: Argos receive permission to speak to O'Shea
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2025 11:58 pm
by RB957
paulwoods13 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 12, 2025 5:17 pm
shatto wrote: ↑Wed Nov 12, 2025 4:43 pm
O'Shea was just in town and obviously has listened to the Toronto offer. Hope Pelly made a generous offer to O'Shea both financially and with respect to his control of player personnel.
Will someone please explain to me why Keith Pelley, the CEO of a massive sports conglomerate, would get anywhere near contract negotiations for head coach of the Argonauts? Isn't that at least one thing we would expect a GM to look after (even though the GM apparently doesn't do other GM stuff like scout, recruit and negotiate player contracts)? I know Pelley fell in love with Craig Berube after going out for lunch with "Chief," but does he really plan to have all team personnel report directly to him?
He shouldn't be. But do we have any idea how "operational" Pinball is in the GM's role?
Re: Naylor: Argos receive permission to speak to O'Shea
Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2025 7:41 am
by Scooter McCray
paulwoods13 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 12, 2025 5:14 pm
Scooter McCray wrote: ↑Wed Nov 12, 2025 4:01 pm
Or better yet fix the personnel dept of the Argos. As I say and will continue to say to Keith Pelley just let Pinball go back to running this thing. He was doing pretty good until Rogers bought the whole cow.
Both Magri and Russell left (and weren't replaced) long before MLSE took over.
And they were brought in long before MLSE took over as part of Clemons original plan to build a consistent contender year in, year out. What happened and what changed to throw Pinball off the trajectory and success they were having?
Re: Naylor: Argos receive permission to speak to O'Shea
Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2025 9:34 am
by paulwoods13
RB957 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 12, 2025 11:58 pm
paulwoods13 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 12, 2025 5:17 pm
shatto wrote: ↑Wed Nov 12, 2025 4:43 pm
O'Shea was just in town and obviously has listened to the Toronto offer. Hope Pelly made a generous offer to O'Shea both financially and with respect to his control of player personnel.
Will someone please explain to me why Keith Pelley, the CEO of a massive sports conglomerate, would get anywhere near contract negotiations for head coach of the Argonauts? Isn't that at least one thing we would expect a GM to look after (even though the GM apparently doesn't do other GM stuff like scout, recruit and negotiate player contracts)? I know Pelley fell in love with Craig Berube after going out for lunch with "Chief," but does he really plan to have all team personnel report directly to him?
He shouldn't be. But do we have any idea how "operational" Pinball is in the GM's role?
To me it's crystal clear -- he is not an "operational" GM in any sense of the word. His role in scouting, recruiting and negotiating is minimal.
Re: Naylor: Argos receive permission to speak to O'Shea
Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2025 9:50 am
by OV Argo
Antwon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 12, 2025 8:45 pm
ArgoRavi wrote: ↑Wed Nov 12, 2025 2:10 am
John Hodge says that talk is ramping up that Chris Jones will get the HC job in Toronto.
Please no!!!
Guaranteed there would be a couple of usual suspect types to defend and approve of the Argos hiring of that clown Jones; an "experienced" football man, don't you know; might even be able to learn some uneducated Argo players what a route tree is.
Re: Naylor: Argos receive permission to speak to O'Shea
Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2025 4:21 pm
by RichK
paulwoods13 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 13, 2025 9:34 am
RB957 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 12, 2025 11:58 pm
paulwoods13 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 12, 2025 5:17 pm
Will someone please explain to me why Keith Pelley, the CEO of a massive sports conglomerate, would get anywhere near contract negotiations for head coach of the Argonauts? Isn't that at least one thing we would expect a GM to look after (even though the GM apparently doesn't do other GM stuff like scout, recruit and negotiate player contracts)? I know Pelley fell in love with Craig Berube after going out for lunch with "Chief," but does he really plan to have all team personnel report directly to him?
He shouldn't be. But do we have any idea how "operational" Pinball is in the GM's role?
To me it's crystal clear -- he is not an "operational" GM in any sense of the word. His role in scouting, recruiting and negotiating is minimal.
And he is likely taking a big chunk out of our small CFL football ops budget. Is his presence the reason we can’t afford more front office staff under the ops cap? Does this need to be re-thought?