Argofans

paulwoods13 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 12:41 pm

ARGO57 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 11:08 am

gilthethrill wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 4:39 am Stop following him on social media. Problem solved.

That would make too much sense.

Not following him on social media might be easier on one's psyche, but he's not going to suddenly lose all of his followers, and some of them are going to seize on anything he does that might be interpreted as bad behaviour. Since he has shown a proclivity for saying and doing questionable things there, this just opens up him -- and the org -- to the risk of further condemnation. Hard to fathom the org being happy about that. And yet here we are.

AngeloV wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 1:08 pm

paulwoods13 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 12:41 pm

ARGO57 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 11:08 am

That would make too much sense.

Not following him on social media might be easier on one's psyche, but he's not going to suddenly lose all of his followers, and some of them are going to seize on anything he does that might be interpreted as bad behaviour. Since he has shown a proclivity for saying and doing questionable things there, this just opens up him -- and the org -- to the risk of further condemnation. Hard to fathom the org being happy about that. And yet here we are.

I think you are making way too big a deal about this. Why you felt you had to make a new thread about this is puzzling to me.

paulwoods13 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 1:28 pm

AngeloV wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 1:08 pm

paulwoods13 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 12:41 pm

Not following him on social media might be easier on one's psyche, but he's not going to suddenly lose all of his followers, and some of them are going to seize on anything he does that might be interpreted as bad behaviour. Since he has shown a proclivity for saying and doing questionable things there, this just opens up him -- and the org -- to the risk of further condemnation. Hard to fathom the org being happy about that. And yet here we are.

I think you are making way too big a deal about this. Why you felt you had to make a new thread about this is puzzling to me.

Here's why. Chad Kelly is one of the highest-paid players in the league, has been declared the "face of the franchise," was supposed to be the focal point of the team's marketing campaign, and is serving a suspension that might (or might not) be commuted after nine games, depending on whether or not he meets conditions established by the league. Still unknown is how the Argos organization will react if and when his suspension is commuted. There's little doubt the league and the Argos are paying attention to how he behaves during this period. So are some fans.

Since this mess blew up, Kelly has done some things publicly (social media posts as well as an unexpected appearance at rookie camp) that have brought about condemnation from around the league, including some (but obviously not all) fans of the Argonauts. Anything he does publicly until his suspension is dealt with (and presumably afterwards) is going to come under close scrutiny. It would be foolish IMO to think that simply ignoring them (or anything he does) is going to make the situation any better.

For the record, I initially set out to mention the tweets in the ongoing Kelly thread, but it was lost when the forum went down. Hence a new thread for what I consider newsworthy information. Anyone who does not consider it newsworthy is welcome to ignore it.

paulwoods13 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 1:28 pm

AngeloV wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 1:08 pm

paulwoods13 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 12:41 pm

Not following him on social media might be easier on one's psyche, but he's not going to suddenly lose all of his followers, and some of them are going to seize on anything he does that might be interpreted as bad behaviour. Since he has shown a proclivity for saying and doing questionable things there, this just opens up him -- and the org -- to the risk of further condemnation. Hard to fathom the org being happy about that. And yet here we are.

I think you are making way too big a deal about this. Why you felt you had to make a new thread about this is puzzling to me.

Here's why. Chad Kelly is one of the highest-paid players in the league, has been declared the "face of the franchise," was supposed to be the focal point of the team's marketing campaign, and is serving a suspension that might (or might not) be commuted after nine games, depending on whether or not he meets conditions established by the league. Still unknown is how the Argos organization will react if and when his suspension is commuted. There's little doubt the league and the Argos are paying attention to how he behaves during this period. So are some fans.

Since this mess blew up, Kelly has done some things publicly (social media posts as well as an unexpected appearance at rookie camp) that have brought about condemnation from around the league, including some (but obviously not all) fans of the Argonauts. Anything he does publicly until his suspension is dealt with (and presumably afterwards) is going to come under close scrutiny. It would be foolish IMO to think that simply ignoring them (or anything he does) is going to make the situation any better.

For the record, I initially set out to mention the tweets in the ongoing Kelly thread, but it was lost when the forum went down. Hence a new thread for what I consider newsworthy information. Anyone who does not consider it newsworthy is welcome to ignore it.

GreyCup1971 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 4:30 pm I really don't know what to think on this one.

I ignore the social warriors that came down with great righteousness against Kelly. I ignore those who said everything was ok here too.

The CFL communications publicly condemned Kelly on social media right after it came to light that a number of women at HQ quit because of the CFL handling of Kelly.

Shortly afterwards, CFL communications drooled over a famous rapper featured at a BC Lions game. The same rapper had a number of allegations of sexual assaults. The rapper became the face of CFL football that week. CFL social media temporarily became a personal platform for the love of this rapper.

I now understand some players and coaches think the Kelly is a fiasco and is BS.

Remind me again what he did? I understand he violated CFL policy about respectful behaviour towards others. I understand it was a first offence too.

Kelly is currently undergoing re-education. I see this as an out for the league. They could say he hasn't suitably come around to their point of view and be banned for life.

The PA can't get the report that damned him? Kelly can't get the report that damned him?

A guilty verdict without the evidence to coming light?

Kelly's return isn't carved in stone. Will it be at the whim of the commissioner, of the CFL communications department?

What a joke. This speaks as poorly of the CFLPA and as the CFL.

Never give the lynch mob. They don't negotiate. They lynch first, then explain later.

AngeloV wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 2:57 pmThe team very easily could have shifted their marketing to Flo Orimilade and Wynton McManis. They chose not to. That’s not Kelly’s fault.
I just think and a few others, are piling on here. I guess it’s the east thing to do. I won’t change my opinion that there is way more to this story than most know. Kelly was an east target to this person who apparently has never heard of Human Resources and instead gets a lawyer to go for a big pay day. But I guess we are suppose to be programmed to believe all accusations in 2024. I’d hate to be in a car accident with her driving the other vehicle. There’s a frivolous lawsuit just waiting to come out.

ArgoRavi wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 4:18 pm More than one thing can be true at the same time. From the information I have seen about this entire mess, it seems likely that:

1) Chad Kelly behaved inappropriately
2) There may or may not be a relationship/friendship between AJ Ouellette and the complainant which may have raised Kelly's ire because he wanted a relationship with the complainant but she wasn't interested in him and may instead have been more interested in AJ. That's still no excuse for Kelly's behaviour towards her (according to the executive summary of the investigation)
3) Kelly should be able to see the full investigative report, rather than just the executive summary and it's possible that has happened by now
4) Kelly has a history of exhibiting bad judgment and impulsive and immature behaviour and his actions on social media don't exactly run counter to that history.

If Chad Kelly wants (yet) another chance, then he needs to take this counselling seriously and start acting his age. Staying off social media until his suspension is over would be wise. I don't think that's too much for some to be asking for.

ArgoRavi wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 4:18 pm More than one thing can be true at the same time. From the information I have seen about this entire mess, it seems likely that:

1) Chad Kelly behaved inappropriately
2) There may or may not be a relationship/friendship between AJ Ouellette and the complainant which may have raised Kelly's ire because he wanted a relationship with the complainant but she wasn't interested in him and may instead have been more interested in AJ. That's still no excuse for Kelly's behaviour towards her (according to the executive summary of the investigation)
3) Kelly should be able to see the full investigative report, rather than just the executive summary and it's possible that has happened by now
4) Kelly has a history of exhibiting bad judgment and impulsive and immature behaviour and his actions on social media don't exactly run counter to that history.

If Chad Kelly wants (yet) another chance, then he needs to take this counselling seriously and start acting his age. Staying off social media until his suspension is over would be wise. I don't think that's too much for some to be asking for.