2023-24 off-season transactions

[OV Argo]

Hmmm; interesting - didn't really get much in return for a proven LB in Williams; just a bit of draft shuffling.

[Shatto]

Doesn't appear a lot in return for a former 1st overall draft selection. The Argos must not have been that impressed with his performance last year. So we basically got a 5th, 24th, and 25th draft choices and lost 7th, 16th and 36th draft choices. There were a few other things include in the trade like the rights to a WR who is under contract in the

Doesn't appear to be a lot for a former 1st overall draft choice. the Argos could not have been that impressed with Williams performance last year to trade him so cheaply. They got 5th, 24th and 25th draft choices and lost 7th, 16th and 36th. There a few other things in the trade, like a WR presently under contract in the UFL. Does that mean Jones is the new MLB or will Cassar get a crack at the position?

[gilthethrill]

Doesn't appear a lot in return for a former 1st overall draft selection. The Argos must not have been that impressed with his performance last year. So we basically got a 5th, 24th, and 25th draft choices and lost 7th, 16th and 36th draft choices. There were a few other things include in the trade like the rights to a WR who is under contract in the

Doesn't appear to be a lot for a former 1st overall draft choice. the Argos could not have been that impressed with Williams performance last year to trade him so cheaply. They got 5th, 24th and 25th draft choices and lost 7th, 16th and 36th. There a few other things in the trade, like a WR presently under contract in the UFL. Does that mean Jones is the new MLB or will Cassar get a crack at the position?

Maybe Muamba makes a surprise return at MLB?

[paulwoods13]

Argos must really love Burnett because otherwise it appears to me that we got fleeced. Of course, I like Williams a lot more than some do on this forum.

[Will]

Argos must really love Burnett because otherwise it appears to me that we got fleeced. Of course, I like Williams a lot more than some do on this forum.

If it was indeed a salary dump then perhaps the Argos had no leverage.

[bluto]

If it was indeed a salary dump then perhaps the Argos had no leverage.

Feels like one...

Count me among those who weren't blown away by his play level, but definitely I wasn't in any rush to see him gone either. I'd sure hate to see him have a career season in the Donut Box.

[Argo57]

Feels like one...

Count me among those who weren't blown away by his play level, but definitely I wasn't in any rush to see him gone either. I'd sure hate to see him have a career season in the Donut Box.

I’m guessing the Argos did in fact grade these players (Williams and Jones) and acted accordingly.
Happy to see Jones back in the fold.

[Shatto]

Sorry for the confusing post---hit wrong buttons in haste.

[Will]

Sorry for the confusing post---hit wrong buttons in haste.

No worries -- I was able to fix it.

[ArgofanIan]

AJ is a fan favorite... and seems to be a good guy ....we might loose a few in ticket sales if he splits... He is pretty marketable as well for which ever team gets him... Should be priority IMO but what do I know...

[Will]

AJ is a fan favorite... and seems to be a good guy ....we might loose a few in ticket sales if he splits... He is pretty marketable as well for which ever team gets him... Should be priority IMO but what do I know...

There are several schools of thought here:

(i) That A.J as a running back is a dime a dozen (which I disagree with BTW), I'm sure some of us have read about the stories out of the US about the value of a RB.

(ii) I think A.J can play a valuable part of the fan rebuild with the Argos. He's charismatic off the field and is a talented player on it. I do agree that the Argos need to consider weighing his all-around contribution vs just simply the on-field one.

[gilthethrill]

AJ is a fan favorite... and seems to be a good guy ....we might loose a few in ticket sales if he splits... He is pretty marketable as well for which ever team gets him... Should be priority IMO but what do I know...

AJ is marketable. He was making regular appearances for Greektown Wrestling in Toronto. If he leaves, he won’t have that marketing angle going for him.

[ArgoGabe22]

The trade involving the playing rights to Jordan Williams makes it sound like he is an upcoming free agent unless language used to signify we traded a player under contact for a player who is on the neg list. I’m being a bit facetious given the discussion yesterday.

I think AJ will re-sign but adding mystery and suspense around it. Like a wrestling storyline.

[paulwoods13]

The trade involving the playing rights to Jordan Williams makes it sound like he is an upcoming free agent unless language used to signify we traded a player under contact for a player who is on the neg list.

I think you are on to something. "Playing rights to JW" is the type of thing that would be said if his contract were about to expire. Which IMO it likely is since (as best I can discern, given the lack of 2023 transactions on cfl.ca) the team did not announce an extension last year and NAT rookies are mandated to sign three-year entry deals. So Ham gets the right to talk to him exclusively for one week (and will presumably sign him, whatever it costs). If that's the case, I feel better about the otherwise underwhelming return we got in the deal. I'm guessing Argos found out his asking price and decided he was simply too expensive, and moved to get something/anything for him rather than have him walk for nothing.

That said, this is now four starting-calibre NATs we have lost since last season. Admittedly, two of them were not needed last year, and the other two did not play up to the standards set in prior years (in one case through no fault of hios own). And it's at least conceivable (albeit almost impossible to imagine) that Muamba will not retire after all. But losing four NATs who have started and/or will start elsewhere this year, with no NATs coming back in those transactions, gives me pause.

[argolio]

I really think you should. Now, for the Tri Fecta, who is going to be named Argos DC?

Don't encourage him!

I don't mind the exchange of draft picks. Moving up two spots in the 1st round probably means they're targeting specific players, likely o-linemen, the strength of this draft. No 2nd or 4th round picks, but three in the 3rd round and two each in the 5th and 6th rounds give the Argos more than enough draft capital.

[gilthethrill]

The trade involving the playing rights to Jordan Williams makes it sound like he is an upcoming free agent unless language used to signify we traded a player under contact for a player who is on the neg list. I’m being a bit facetious given the discussion yesterday.

I think AJ will re-sign but adding mystery and suspense around it. Like a wrestling storyline.

Gabe….where do see the Playing Rights to Jordan Williams? I can’t find that anywhere.

[paulwoods13]

Gabe….where do see the Playing Rights to Jordan Williams? I can’t find that anywhere.

Jumping in here, this is the full news release:

ARGOS STRIKE DEAL WITH HAMILTON

TORONTO - The Toronto Argonauts Football Club announced today they have reached a trade agreement with the Hamilton Tiger-Cats. Details of the trade are as follows:

Toronto receives Hamilton's:
• 2024 1st round CFL Draft pick (5th overall)
• 2024 3rd round CFL Draft pick (24th overall)
• 2024 3rd round CFL Draft pick (25th overall)
• 2025 3rd round CFL Draft pick (conditional)
• Negotiation rights to American WR Deontay Burnett (Southern California)

Hamilton receives Toronto's:
• Playing rights to Canadian LB Jordan Williams
• 2024 1st round CFL Draft pick (7th overall)
• 2024 2nd round CFL Draft pick (16th overall)
• 2024 4th round CFL Draft pick (36th overall)
• 2025 4th round CFL Draft pick (conditional)

[gilthethrill]

Jumping in here, this is the full news release:

ARGOS STRIKE DEAL WITH HAMILTON

TORONTO - The Toronto Argonauts Football Club announced today they have reached a trade agreement with the Hamilton Tiger-Cats. Details of the trade are as follows:

Toronto receives Hamilton's:
• 2024 1st round CFL Draft pick (5th overall)
• 2024 3rd round CFL Draft pick (24th overall)
• 2024 3rd round CFL Draft pick (25th overall)
• 2025 3rd round CFL Draft pick (conditional)
• Negotiation rights to American WR Deontay Burnett (Southern California)

Hamilton receives Toronto's:
• Playing rights to Canadian LB Jordan Williams
• 2024 1st round CFL Draft pick (7th overall)
• 2024 2nd round CFL Draft pick (16th overall)
• 2024 4th round CFL Draft pick (36th overall)
• 2025 4th round CFL Draft pick (conditional)

Well now Hamilton fans can be confused if Williams is a pending FA or not.

[paulwoods13]

Also, the team has just confirmed re-signing Jonathan Jones.

[OV Argo]

Back to the no Henoc last season: are we ever going to get an explanation? - he was nicked /injured still and unable to play at even close to 90%?; his heart really wasn't into playing?; the team & D felt they didn't really need him?; it was all about saving $M$ room? It better have been the first or 2nd reason, cause otherwise, I have lost some or a lot of respect for those responsible for the other reason decisions there, considering the East Final melt-down as opposed to the result the year before with Henoc playing.

He's now maybe going to play again ???