Will the Leafs fade?

[Mulder]

Their margin of error is extremely small. I fear the firing of Wilson might've been done too late.

The only thing that'll do it is winning 11 of their remaining 15 games.

They lose to either Florida, TB or WASH this coming week and they are done. 3 must win games in a row and if they lose any they won't make to the post season.

[1argoholic]

Oh they are DONE!!! I really can't believe how far they've fallen to be honest. You can't win games with horrible D and each game the other team gets at least one or two gift goals. They're not many points from last in the east. Didn't they hang out in first in the east for the first two weeks of the season? They've had plenty of bad years lately but this takes the cake. Burke started in TO with a tougher team and then switched to a faster more skilled team. Now they are trying to be a bit of both and frankly it's a cluster F as they say. I have to agree with Don Cherry. We need some TO boys or Ontario guys on the team who play their hearts out for the team they grew up cheering for.
I honestly didn't think they'd fade like this when I started this topic. Sad seeing other original six teams thrive. Hell even Montreal had a great playoff run a few years back.
Never mind booing and calling for coaches to be fired. Leaf fans have to avoid the ACC to really show how they feel but that'll never happen.

[DanTheFan]

I wasn't too big on Don Cherry's comments. While it would be cool to have a few local guys on the team, his argument was born out of frustration of their horrid play of late. Similar to the argument of having a French speaking coach for the Habs, the issue wouldn't matter if they were in a playoff position.

[argolio]

I wasn't too big on Don Cherry's comments. While it would be cool to have a few local guys on the team, his argument was born out of frustration of their horrid play of late.

It's nice to have Ontario guys, but you still need the right ones. When Cherry ran the Mississauga Ice Dogs, his teams were among the worst in the history of the league.

[DanTheFan]

I missed the first 1/2 of the 1st of this one, but I'm assuming it was as boring as the rest of the game. Still, always happy to see the Leafs put up a shutout (minus the shootout). BTW, great move by Giroux!! Buffalo beat Ottawa, so does that bump playoff odds past one in a million yet??

[ArgoRavi]

Today's game in Washington is pretty much do or die for the Leafs. I don't think that they will make the playoffs even if they win in regulation today but everyone can at least pretend that they still have a chance if they can come away with a regulation victory. A loss would end any remaining hope and even an OT/shootout victory wouldn't do much for them.

It is hard to believe that the Leafs seemed to be in the driver's seat only a month or so ago for making the playoffs and perhaps even finishing as high as sixth or seventh place.

[ArgoRavi]

After a 2-0 loss in Washington, I would say that we can stick a fork in the Leafs as they are done for another season.

[Mulder]

After a 2-0 loss in Washington, I would say that we can stick a fork in the Leafs as they are done for another season.

http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/E...t/Toronto.html

They pretty much have to run the table.

even if they go 11-2 gives them a 70% chance. My bet. Leafs will start to make their annual push to be 9th right now

[DanTheFan]

Leafs will start to make their annual push to be 9th right now

Here we go again.

[1argoholic]

I just hope they fall as close to the bottom as possible at this point. Then we can at least get a great draft pick. This will go down as one of the biggest busts in Leaf history. Many didn't expect playoffs for this team but many did. I don't think people saw this drop in play. They have folded.

[argonaut11xx]

well, after losing last night to Florida looks like Carlisle will assess, and RELOAD for next year...its a bummer...but probabaly better than sneaking in the playoffs

[1argoholic]

With this team it's plain and simple and it starts with Burke all the way down, THEY SUCK and he totally over estimated the talent they have. This team will go down as having one of the biggest down turns in history. 2-13-2 in their last 17 when other teams are playing like hell to get into the playoffs. This team has ZERO heart. They could and most likely will end up as the worst team in the east. They have no clue how to win. Burke blew it when he had the chance to trade some of these stiffs. Who's going to want a bunch of heartless losers now? Once Florida makes the playoffs the Leafs will be the only team not to make the playoffs since the lockout year. The laughing stock of the league and morons still fill the ACC. Maybe Cherry has a point with no players from Ontario on the roster. Get some guys who grew up in the GTA and would play hard for the team they grew up watching. These guys are obviously taking the organization for a ride while taking home big pay cheques. Hope Burke doesn't waste a very good draft pick.

[1argoholic]

Holy crap!!!!! The Leafs won a game.

[ArgoRavi]

Holy crap!!!!! The Leafs won a game.

Yeah, they can't get anything right. Now is the time to continue losing so that they get a higher draft pick. They will probably go over .500 the rest of the way which will result in a lower draft pick and Brian Burke and his bloated front office staff thinking that they have the team headed in the right direction after all.

[1argoholic]

Exactly. They'll make it into a position that the guy they draft isn't NHL ready. I was very surprised to see that they won.

[argolio]

Saying a team should tank sounds sensible, but that has everything to do with the fantasy world the fans live in and nothing to do with the team. You can't make players try to lose, and you also can't call up a bunch of minor league guys to play the rest of the schedule.

Who thought the Argos would (or could) win three of their last four in 2011? That's why they play the games.

[1argoholic]

Obviously they should get a solid draft pick even if they stay right where they are. It'll be an American guy. haha.

[ArgoRavi]

The Leafs are losing 8-0 to Boston as I type this. It is quite apparent that this team is a long way from being any sort of contender.

[1argoholic]

Burke has to go! This team is going backwards. He's a prick and to top it all off he has no clue how to build a team anymore. The Leafs are the laughing stock of the league. Boston just loves seeing these saps come to town. There D is like swiss cheese as is there goaltending. They are a very week lame team. Domi could still pound the crap out of any one of these guys. It really pisses me off. The sickest think are the dumb asses that will continue to fill the seats at the ACC. They are the true morons in this whole scene.

[argolio]

It really pisses me off. The sickest think are the dumb asses that will continue to fill the seats at the ACC. They are the true morons in this whole scene.

I don't blame the average fan for that. Most of the seats are sold to corporate interests or long-time season-ticket holders (which are often split between 2 or more people). If a fan wants to go to a game or two a season and has no access to any freebies, they can get tickets at the box office for some mid-week games (which is not practical for everyone) against low-profile opponents, but usually they have to pay some scummy scalper an arm and a leg for a Saturday night game or a game against a marquee team. And I wouldn't be surprised if MLSE takes advantage of this huge demand for a limited supply by getting a cut from those scummy scalpers.